i give up, it's pointless trying to argue with you. I just presented my points as I saw reality to be...

You can accuse me of being objective or whatever. It doesnt matter. The core reasoning in the main article stands. Nobody has challenged them yet despite many personal attacks and declarations of logical fallacies.


SO what if it is objective/subjective/ambiguous. It doesnt fvcking matter.



I stand by what I say:

Generally:

1) Being a freaking loner with no friends and not going out is bad for mental health and your social life.
2) Eating sh1t, not exercising and playing video games to the wee hours of the morning will make your physical self more unattractive to the opposite sex.
3) Women do not want sociopath nutcases who cant hold a decent conversation with another human being.


In control of one's life + Healthy body + Healthy mind + Healthy emotional state = THRIVING



If you think that to thrive in life does not include having a healthy body... SO BE IT. im not forcing you to change your views.

Until we see recent pictures of you being surrounded by hot girls harem-style while you're b****-slapping them, we cannot grant you any credibility/respect/jedi master that you seek in your every post.

Hey, at least you have that keyboard warrior award.

This post has been edited by emefbiemef: Jul 26 2009, 08:58 PM

There. The bolded part.

It was because of that.

Here you go




We have quoted you and done that many times in the past, did you learn anything? no. So why bother doing it? Your previous "series" (the one with the mind map) was better and had more potential.


If its immeasurable and subjective, what the hell are you doing defining it for people? What gives you the right to tell them what they "self worth" means to them?


Really? About thriving? If its about self-worth and that being so subjective, it basically invalidates everything you've been writing about.


I've met people who would fail your idea of "thriving" yet have an extreme amount of self worth and self esteem. Heck, I know a married old fart who goes around buayaing college chicks (rather successfully) for the fun of it. He has the fashion sense of an old chinaman, isn't rich and from the amount of cigarettes he smokes, I doubt he's even healthy Yet, he succeeds with women, women less than 1/2 his age.

Now, why is that?


As much as I agree with you, you have to realise that the aspect PUA's cover is an essential aspect in dating and relationships. Its not the whole thing, but important nonetheless.

This post has been edited by silverhawk: Jul 26 2009, 10:34 PM

Haha, relationships. I laugh at them. Who has the time really?

Deep down, you do.

Or you'll be living with that PUA facade...forever.

Well, not right now. Maybe early 30s or late 20s. Got med school to finish, gym and all. Girls get in the way of my success, in the gym AND at school.

I had a fair share of relationships. ***** is really more headache than pleasure. Learning from experience, I'd rather have NO headache and NO pleasure than that unfair tradeoff.

The performance at the gym is strongly related to emotions. Likewise, if you're on a downer, your studies would suffer. My opinions about relationships at this point of time is nothing more than a heavy burden slowing me down.

Sheesh the tension.. What's wrong with you people, making a mountain out of a molehill? The guy's points were precise and well summarised, something i'd like to read.

Simple things can also be stretched out untill 6 pages. And not say all the reply pendek pendek or what, my eyes can bleed trying to squint into my handphone's tiny little screen.

Anyway, i've learnt alot these past few days and I must say, i do agree with most of the points. Some I have no comments because I simply don't deserve to.

Anyway, to me, what the thread is basically saying is, change yourself because through change, one's self confidence will naturally flourish and with that extra boost of confidence, one will naturally be able to mingle around with people better. Its applicable too when wanting to approach someone of the opposite gender.

You dress yourself well, you stay healthy, you stay active, these are attributes that contribute to one's self confidence. And coincidentally, they are attributes that people often look for or covet in someone. Through experience, nobody would wanna choose an average looking guy over a better looking one. Why? Because its more appealing. Duh. So, improve your image, and you'll feel more confident about yourselves. And at the same time, people will too feel more comfortable wanting to be approached by you.

Moral of story of this thread; you look(physically and mentally) good, you'll feel better about your self and will probably end up with dem ladiez more often.

Btw, it doesn't matter if you say change or enhance, its the same. To enhance your self means to include change that is not normal, thus it can be classifed as change too.

This post has been edited by 159: Jul 26 2009, 11:03 PM

It's called "atheism of the idea of "survival of the fittest".

That's why the tension.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 26 2009, 11:10 PM

no need anything..

just talk and make she always smile and laugh when both of u talking something.. then the spirit will come...

then can make a date.. simple !!!!

Interesting site, especially about the "so you want my job" and the health & fitness sections.

On the contrary, David DeAngelo's material is an excellent primer for guys who are ready and willing to improve themselves.
The verbosity of his lectures is necessary to explain and back up his points in-depth, versus throwing out vague, generalised statements and letting his audience out to hang. Remember he is talking to a live audience, not writing a summary.

About hapless losers not being able to follow his advice; well, what he is doing is akin to "teaching a man how to fish", but if the hapless loser isn't willing to listen nor is ready for change, NOTHING and NO ONE can help him.

And fixed this quote:
NOBODY dont like losers. Not even the losers themselves.

IMO, the main reason you're getting all this flak is that you make alot of broad, generalised assertions on subjective matters. There are SOME points which are good advice (a guy needs to be emotionally, physically, mentally, financially sorted out), but you're making alot of assertions that aren't quite the 'big picture'.

What you stated in the first post seems to be more refined and on the right track, but by and by, it is not a rule. There are countless exceptions to what you posted as people are attracted to others for wildly varying reasons, and those reasons will also vary as a person ages, and those reasons are often illogical ones.

Remember, logic and emotion are two opposing forces that co-exist in a person.

Another piece of constructive criticism for you: bludgeoning people with forceful statements and expecting them to swallow it will net you exactly the reaction you got in this thread. The disclaimer makes it feel all the more pretentious.

Also, you expressed the sentiment of not liking to read before. I tell you now that it is a mistake to think reading is not necessary. A learned person is widely read on any and every subject he or she ventures to become an authority on.

Hey there fellow JR grad, where'd you do your course?

Hi

I read your post with great interests.

Have you ever considered guys? They accompany you to gym, help you work out, laugh at your jokes, and knows exactly what makes you tick.

I know of a forummer here that might be your type. His nick is darklight79

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Added on July 27, 2009, 1:24 amQUESTION SIFU!!!!

If the mirror pecah each time i look at it, how? Since i can't ask myself anymore?

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Jul 27 2009, 01:24 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!

Depends on whether you want an ONS or a long term FUBU.

100% agree.

Oh no.

Not another misogynistic thread.

Quickly, call down an air strike of lube, already.

LoL

Lowblow, but good one I must say.

In all respects, I find better company in man-love companionship to be honest. I share deeper more meaningful friendships with my closest friends (only about 5 in total, from different walks of my life), all of whom are male. Jokes aside I've never found comraderie with girls as I do with guys. It's like how girls have closer girlfriends that they can share everything, but not with their boyfriend.

May seem odd to the observer, but the gym actually fosters stronger friendships. I'm not homophobic or anything, I can take the gay jokes hard as they come (lol, pun), having studied in a boy school. 2 of my close friends were friendships made stronger at the gym. The others were either coursemates or people I grew up with. As a triathlete friend of mine said "Hard work fosters good friendships".

Guys are good friends. And one of my greatest priorities upon returning for holidays was to go to the gym and work out with my buddy that I grew up with in high school, believe it or not. You may not understand this strong bond I have for my mates, heck, I get ridiculed for it all the time. People often confuse sincere friendships with homosexuality. Obviously not very big fans of Boston Legal.

They don't come with ***** though, and that is an extremely good thing. Like I said, ***** makes for headache, and headache I do not need in my friendships.

The thread is being sidetracked. Darklight79 hasn't been posting by the way

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Jul 27 2009, 02:43 AM

ezralimm reminds me of harry potter. haha

Want to be my short term FUBU? hehehehe

when you were growing up with your high school friends, do you two check each other out when your pubes start to grow? "Hey, i got few strands!!! come see!! come see!!!" did you?

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with making generalizations if they are true. Do note that generalizations, by definition, will have exceptions (which is why they are not called "absolute truths" but rather "generalizations" in the first place.)

For example: I could say that men generally prefer women with hourglass figures. It does not mean that ALL men prefer women with hourglass figures. Some guys like their girls chubby and pear shaped with a nice round b000tay and love to cuddle.

But the generalization holds. Most men really do prefer women with hourglass figures.


Now, you could argue that some guys who have...

*no social life, eats shit, dont exercise, sleeps at 3am everyday, doesnt know how to groom himself, and is emotionally insecure*

...are building relationships with girls who are reasonably attractive and have other options (ie. guys willing to date them).

But it is not the general truth. In reality, the guys with those issues are very likely to have their choice selection of partners (ie. The girls they are interested in are not interested in them). Im not saying that they are doomed to be single all their life...Most people will adjust their standards (the hot girls with options were out of their league) and date/ask-out girls who are willing to go out with them.






Let me start with an analogy. Let's say I were to write a story. "Little Red Riding Hood". You have all the right in the world to comment on my writing style. It is subjective (ie. open to YOUR personal interpretation). If you find that my writing style is boring, then that is your personal opinion. I accept that. And I will try to make it more interesting.

Constructive criticism is different. If you were to say that my story doesnt make sense because "the big bad wolf eats Little Red Riding Hood in the second chapter but she comes back to life in the fourth chapter", then that would be a genuine constructive criticism.

It's not to say that you subjective feedback on writing isnt valued. Believe it or not, it actually is. I have been trying very hard to make the message as politically correct / non-offensive / non-belittling as possible. But there is a limit that I will reach sooner or later.

QUOTE(silverhawk): I agree. The delivery style is not perfect. I am still trying to figure out a way to not make it a massive wall of text (like my mind map one)...while not offending/belittling/hurting people and their fragile egos. Silver, I hope to meet you in real life one day. Would be an interesting conversation. I wonder how you interpret things the way you do and nitpick on perceived inconsistencies.

QUOTE(jamien): True, my work is not perfect. But im glad that jamien realizes that I cannot stretch my points too much as people would be put off by a wall of text. I am not david deangelo and his sugar coated, feel-good, wrinting style. I am simply more point blank. Some people will be hurt. Hence the disclaimer, and hence the numerous ad hominem responses. I think some people have fragile egos or image issues.

QUOTE(deadlocks): IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, a man's self worth is determined by the factors I have mentioned. Note that all those factors are subjective as well. What is healthy? What is mentally healthy? What is physically healthy? What is emotionally healthy? They are all subjective things. You know what YOUR PERSONAL definition of those traits are. I use the word subjective as it is used in the english language. I am referring to the fact that those traits cannot be measured quantitatively, but rather perceived in the mind of the beholder. I did not define anything. I merely pointed out that IN MY OPINION (yes, i have a right to an opinion too!) "self worth" is a natural consequence of those subjective (non-definable) traits. If you disagree, fine.

QUOTE(deadlocks): I hold that you are just nitpicking on semantics. Ill leave it up to the other forumers reading this to decide. Anyway. Subjective or not it is irrelevant to the core topics of this article.


This thread is far more straightforward. I realized that if I were to elaborate on every single thing on the mind map, I would need about four posts to do so due to word limits on this forum. Too big wall of text. Not worth the effort. Nobody would read it.

The contents of this thread is pretty much a summary of the mind map in the other one. It boils down to physical, mental and emotional wellbeing.


I want to meet you in real life one day. TT or something. We would have an interesting conversation.

ANyway, I was not "defining it for people" I was just expressing my opinion. Note I even added "IN MY PERSONAL OPINION" in caps to the sentence. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS A HUMAN RIGHT. If you want to use that kind of an argument, then almost opinion on this forum is wrong.

I have the right to express myself. You have the right not to listen. You have the right to disagree if it means something else to you.

Also, I did not say that physical/mental/emotional health = self worth. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said that self worth builds as a natural consequence of being in good physical/mental/emotional health.

I DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT having self worth WITHOUT good physical/mental/emotional health.

I DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT some people having self worth WITHOUT good physical/mental/emotional health.
(yes, i agree some people do have high self worth even though they are in poor physical/mental/emotional health)

Your logic is non-sequirtur!

Dont put words in my mouth laa... If this thread makes you bitter, then dont read it...but ffs stop putting words in my mouth.



^see reply to Deadlocks, and the concept of generalization. Yeah, exceptions do exist...but they are not the norm!

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 27 2009, 09:52 AM