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 OILCORP BERHAD (3697), been holding it for quite some times

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post Sep 22 2009, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Sep 22 2009, 09:28 AM)
Humans has memories, stock does not have memory.

Last time this stock is 58 cents, now only 30 cents very cheap already
die die also must buy, it will rise back to 58 cents.
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Briefly
The company was surrounded by accounting issue previously, now default 1 million interest payment (which relative speaking a small sum) for a company that has asset in balance sheet of 900+ million with 400+ million receivables.

Some more directors are constantly disposing their stake lately until cease become substantial shareholders, as well as resignation of indepedent directors.

The default could make the company being classified as PN17 company, which if there is no resolving on the issue, it could mean being delisted. By then it is not die die must buy, but all the money in the stock die. smile.gif

Don't mean this stock has no future or got future. But this is serious stuff already (default in payment). Must do proper your own due diligence before investing,
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post Sep 23 2009, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(sjz @ Sep 23 2009, 08:35 AM)
but certain of their business did quite well, for example their Tiara Beach Resort in Port Dickson under D' Tiara which is a subsidiary of them.
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Resort busines from its segmented business analysis from its 2008 report, showed it is not doing well, it made losses for the company.

So how can it do well? rclxub.gif

Also its principal activities is in O&G construction or construction related, Resort business just part of it only.
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post Sep 23 2009, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(kongps82 @ Sep 23 2009, 09:30 PM)
What will usually happen to company listed as PN17? Any difference from normal shares?
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No different, except it will be delisted by KLSE if there is nothing to rectify the situation by the company.
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post Sep 24 2009, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(smokey @ Sep 24 2009, 02:32 PM)
wat will happen to our money if delisted ar?
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post Sep 24 2009, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(skylands @ Sep 24 2009, 08:19 PM)
this is not huge enough if compare with TRANMIL biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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The degree of fall is similar, Transmile from 15 to 2.xx. Oilcorp previous years high was around 2.50, now less than 0.20.

QUOTE(skylands @ Sep 24 2009, 11:03 PM)
but i think there is a point will stop dropping and a small bounce back.. and continue to fall again ? feel like taking the risk ..
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The risk is not about share price alone, the main risk is they no longer listed, game over.

This is the primary risk why the stocks are sold down after being classified as PN17.

So invest bet on this stock, means one is betting the company will get out of PN17, as simple as that. Whether the company will or will not, is up to anyone guess.
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post Sep 25 2009, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(skylands @ Sep 25 2009, 12:00 AM)
but tranmil was just few days thing .. oilcorp from 2.5 high (so long ago ) to now 0.2,  abit more like slowly die..
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In actual fact, slow die is more painful, because you don't cut loss in those slow die situation. But for quick dive/die situation like Transmile, at least people will scare and cut loss.

In slow die situation, today drop 1 cent, so you have the hope tomorrow up 1 cent back, but everyday keep on hoping like than after a year, 2.00 gone without much notice.


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post Sep 25 2009, 01:58 PM

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smartly,
You will confuse the forumer only by saying delisting doesn't mean a bad thing. biggrin.gif

Just to make clear to the forumer
Delisting got 2 type,
1. Voluntary due to privatisation, (nothing bad)
2. Being forced by KLSE, violation of listing requirement (generally because of financial issue)

Now it is about 2.

The basic way company management or major shareholders can protect minority shareholders benefit (in 2) is to let the company stay afloat aka listing.

If they cannot do it, how can a minority stakeholder benefit can be protected under a private company?

Delisting doesn't must mean bankrupt (but generally under 2, means company doesn't in good shape in the first place), it means share cannot be traded at the exchange, so you have no way to sell your shares totally. So still concern about NTA, company profit?
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post Sep 26 2009, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(kongps82 @ Sep 25 2009, 10:39 PM)
No risk no gain, obviously the higher the risk, the higher return you got.
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Frankly speaking, from experience, the higher the risk, a lot of time turn out to be higher loss, not higher return.

It is true about investing, higher risk, higher potential gain. But it is more like a gamble right now instead of investing.

In investing, at least you know what your risk is, what you are facing with.

But in this issue, it is totally in unknown territory.


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post Sep 26 2009, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Sep 26 2009, 10:00 AM)
<< Is there any dispute in their ongoing projects inline with the expectation of the customers. Receivables likely to be regular work in progress money held back. If jobs are not done accordingly to standard how can the company expect to collect any money? Receivables is then just an accounting provision. >>
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If it is the case, auditor should not let it to register in revenue and receivable previously.


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post Sep 27 2009, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Sep 27 2009, 10:00 AM)
Auditors are paid for expressing an opinion on the accounts and nothing else.

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Auditor scope is more than that.

They are the one responsible to check and verify whatever account stated is correct and true, that's why they are called 'audit' which based on documentation submitter by the company.

Otherwise, any company can just simple issue invoice and register as sales to jack up profit or simply create account out of nothing.

Auditor has the right to boot up dubious amount within the account, if they suspicious about it.

But auditor has no real-time pr real involvement in any company business operation, they only can audit within their scope that is based on documentation of the company and general industry practice.
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post Sep 28 2009, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 27 2009, 11:37 PM)
So we can assume the RM400++ million receivables are really there? hmm.gif
The more I trawl through their accounts, the more suspicious I become of the auditors' competency...
The last two (unaudited) quarterly reports really do stretch the imagination to the max nod.gif
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Not related, Transmile acocunt was audited as well, which 'blown up' recevables get through auditor eye.

Not means Oilcorp would be similar, just we cannot said or guarantee that anything get through audit path, must be there, as said before, auditor audit based on paper/documentation, they don't know the details how company business operation.

But if revenue yearly is around 70-80 million, receviables 400+ million means your company average let people/customers owed you company for 4 years time, before collecting the payment?

That's one of important question.
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post Sep 30 2009, 11:20 AM

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The company facing cashflow problem, any solution must be able to raise cash one.
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(cfmah @ Oct 12 2009, 05:58 PM)
but the stock price is very low, if there is still hope for this company, should get the share in low price, risky but also an opportunity.

what do u think ?
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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ Oct 12 2009, 06:13 PM)
high risk high return  brows.gif
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Wrong perception, no offence, the lower the share price goes, the higher the risk is.

Because if company is not in serious trouble, share price won't drop to a few cent in the first place.

Yes, you may gain high in term of % if there is turn around. But risk wise is pretty high.

High risk got 2 outcome high return or high loss. Not necessary high return.

The major risk is delisting now.
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post Nov 3 2009, 11:55 PM

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Please do a favour, no name calling, or personal confrontation issue.

We welcome any posts regarding stock discussion be it criticism or praise, but no on personal front issue.

Thank you for the cooperation.
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post Nov 4 2009, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(MakanTidurSaham @ Nov 4 2009, 05:11 AM)
I cannot believe this crap, lowyat admin taking sides on stock picks, deleting my comment about sjz being wrong on his call to sell oilcorp at 0.10.  mad.gif

I'm calling the police, to lodge a report of conspiracy to cheat viewers on this stock market forum  whistling.gif
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It is not about taking sides which way. It is nothing wrong to comment the others wrong call.

Anyone can point out others' mistake, wrong decision/comment etc issue, nothing wrong with it or talk good about the stock whatever it is individual view, we always welcome.

But do not call other 'loser' or whatever that lead to personal confrontation issue. We are here is to talk about stock, not about individual.

Thank you for the cooperation. smile.gif
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QUOTE(MakanTidurSaham @ Nov 4 2009, 10:57 AM)
Bullshit, have you read what they've been calling me for the past 2 weeks?

Why nobody delete their comments?

It's obvious that you and lowyat.net have been siding with all these crooks wandering around this forum.

It is disgusting of you deleting comments that against the interest of you and the rest of your cronies, make me sick!!  vmad.gif

Do it again, I'm going to get my police report and lawyers ready. I'll make this issue so big that the regulators will shut you down completely.  whistling.gif
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Admin acts based on report made and it is impossible to go through every post.

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