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TSmizivincible
post Jul 22 2009, 06:42 AM, updated 17y ago

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As mentioned above,

After we determine our oc settings stable after (doesnt matter Prime95,OCCT, Orthos) few hours of stressing, can we enable CIE,CIA2 and EIST ? Any chance of causing instability ?After enabling back do we have to stress it again just to make sure its safe ?

I finally decided to go with 4.1ghz daily @ 1.225v as it's still under stock voltage, (referring to VID, it's 1.2375v). Because on 4.2ghz I have to pump until 1.275v and 0.1ghz doesnt make any significant difference in real life performance. SS attached. The thing is now I wanna know whether enabling all (or either one or two of 'em) is safe for overclocked system.

I got difference answer thru google, overclock.net, extremeoverclocking.com and few other overclocking websites. So might as well open up the discussion to all the oc-ers here. Do you actually enable all the power saving options after you determine your daily overclocked setting system ? What to do and what not to ?

Just to share with you few posts regarding this issue -

QUOTE(T3h_Ch33z_Muncha)
Well i enabled every power saving feature on my OC'd e5200 and suffered no performance hits or instability.


QUOTE(Webrider)
As long as ur overclock is safe u can turn these settings on. Benefits are a lower power consumption while ur not stressing the cpu and lower temps. So yea go ahead as long as the OC is safe biggrin.gif


QUOTE(guyladouche)
Another confirmation that you can re-enable all the power-saving features you want and it *shouldn't* hinder your stability of your OC--that's what I've experienced on my current intel system.  With my previous AMD system, the mobo would fail to boot if the system was OC'd and you turned on cool 'n quiet.  So it does seem to be dependent on the mobo, though my old one was very low-quality, so perhaps that's why...


QUOTE(GoHigh)
If you set your voltages on AUTO, then, the power saving functions will work. It will lower the voltages to match a lower frequency of the FSB. However, if you manually input the voltages in, like in most cases, then the voltages will not drop when your computer goes into the C1E state, negating any power saving feature, and end up overvolting an slower clock speed of the CPU.

Will your computer be stable? Most of the time. Is it safe to do so? Not quite sure, but most likely yes. Is it good to do so? Maybe not.


Well the last post seems against the idea of enabling the power saving options. What say u guys ?

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post Jul 22 2009, 08:16 AM

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But..Some motherboards does not allow it..or even if it is allowed..the energy saver seems does not work..But then..when back to stock..it is activated.
But this idea is really good..Its not like most of the time you stress the CPU unless you fold..
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post Jul 22 2009, 08:24 AM

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EIST works for me without affecting stability (LinX stable), however, C-State tends to make my system unstable(probably because it seems to lower my VCore by 0.01-0.02V) smile.gif
i like EIST as it lower my vcore and speed while the proc is idling, and that's like 70% of the my comp uptime biggrin.gif
so regarding ur question, yes a stress test is required after u enable power saving option, imo

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post Jul 22 2009, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(mizivincible @ Jul 22 2009, 06:42 AM)
As mentioned above,

After we determine our oc settings stable after (doesnt matter Prime95,OCCT, Orthos) few hours of stressing, can we enable CIE,CIA2 and EIST ? Any chance of causing instability ?After enabling back do we have to stress it again just to make sure its safe ?

I finally decided to go with 4.1ghz daily @ 1.225v as it's still under stock voltage, (referring to VID, it's 1.2375v). Because on 4.2ghz I have to pump until 1.275v and 0.1ghz doesnt make any significant difference in real life performance. SS attached. The thing is now I wanna know whether enabling all (or either one or two of 'em) is safe for overclocked system.

I got difference answer thru google, overclock.net, extremeoverclocking.com and few other overclocking websites. So might as well open up the discussion to all the oc-ers here. Do you actually enable all the power saving options after you determine your daily overclocked setting system ? What to do and what not to ?

Just to share with you few posts regarding this issue -
Well the last post seems against the idea of enabling the power saving options. What say u guys ?
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i thought i already answered your question....

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If you set your voltages on AUTO, then, the power saving functions will work. It will lower the voltages to match a lower frequency of the FSB. However, if you manually input the voltages in, like in most cases, then the voltages will not drop when your computer goes into the C1E state, negating any power saving feature, and end up overvolting an slower clock speed of the CPU.


turning on or off EIST in BIOS is pointless since as soon you manually adjust the multiplier and vcore, it is automatically disabled... EIST is controlled by the OS under power options. as for C1E, it shouldnt be a problem, though there are cases stability is compromised when C1E is turned on... my point is, turn them on if u want to... but 1 thing u have to remember, since EIST only runs when AUTO is set in BIOS, it will always be disabled when u manually configure a voltage and multiplier... u can c EIST doing its job by lowering the VCORE in CPU-Z when ur proc is not on load... multiplier goes to C1E... therefore, when you overclock, try NOT to set voltage value to AUTO smile.gif... doing so will definitely increase the risk of instability
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post Jul 22 2009, 09:16 AM

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people said disable all the power saving features will result in higher OC.

sort of true.......coz u do get a little bit higher OC, but not much....just tens of MHz

i suggest it is better to sacrifice a little OC for power saving.
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post Jul 22 2009, 11:54 AM

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It depends which power saving feature you are talking about. For example, EIST doesn't do any harm to your OC settings because it does not reduce voltages. What it does is reducing the clock speed by changing to a lower multiplier during low consumption. When you run Orthos or other stress test programs, it will automatically bring your clock speed back to maximum and you will still enjoy stability because (again) voltages are not reduced smile.gif
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post Jul 22 2009, 02:09 PM

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esit is the 1 manages the vid & c1e is the 1 manages the multiplier drop.....
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post Jul 22 2009, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Jul 22 2009, 02:09 PM)
esit is the 1 manages the vid & c1e is the 1 manages the multiplier drop.....
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EIST manages both vcore and multiplier(i.e. lower vcore and multiplier while idling, in my case i have 2ghz at 0.97V at idle)
c1e tries to switch off unused core iirc
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post Jul 22 2009, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Jul 22 2009, 09:02 AM)
i thought i already answered your question....
turning on or off EIST in BIOS is pointless since as soon you manually adjust the multiplier and vcore, it is automatically disabled... EIST is controlled by the OS under power options. as for C1E, it shouldnt be a problem, though there are cases stability is compromised when C1E is turned on... my point is, turn them on if u want to... but 1 thing u have to remember, since EIST only runs when AUTO is set in BIOS, it will always be disabled when u manually configure a voltage and multiplier... u can c EIST doing its job by lowering the VCORE in CPU-Z when ur proc is not on load... multiplier goes to C1E... therefore, when you overclock, try NOT to set voltage value to AUTO smile.gif... doing so will definitely increase the risk of instability
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Yes you did, but I just want to get everyone's opinion here. The thing is some of the answers clashing with others. Ive searched and getting difference opinions tho. If everything clear up I bet I will be just turning onthe C1E.

Anyway thanks for all of your opinions.

Btw we have difference answer too here, anyone can clarify this ?

This post has been edited by mizivincible: Jul 22 2009, 03:02 PM
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post Jul 22 2009, 04:22 PM

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EIST = enhanced intel speedstep technology (similar to AMD cool & quiet)
Adjust clock speed & voltage base on application demand in order to optimize for power consumption...

C1E = enhanced halt state
It reduces the clock speed of the CPU by decreasing the clock multiplier down to its minimum value & then reducing the voltage...


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QUOTE(shawnlut @ Jul 22 2009, 04:22 PM)
EIST = enhanced intel speedstep technology (similar to AMD cool & quiet)
Adjust clock speed & voltage base on application demand in order to optimize for power consumption...

C1E = enhanced halt state
It reduces the clock speed of the CPU by decreasing the clock multiplier down to its minimum value & then reducing the voltage...
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+1... this is wat i am trying to tell @@
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post Jul 22 2009, 04:40 PM

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I think this would help:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/power-savi...-scaling-31664/
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post Jul 22 2009, 06:24 PM

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i am pretty sure my c-state is off and EIST is lowering my multi instead of bus speed, while if C-state does nothing if it's on except from affecting stability
probably different function according to chipset i guess

 

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