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TSsdas86
post Jul 11 2009, 09:58 PM, updated 17y ago

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I am very new to property investment or real estate investment. I am planning to buy a lot of houses and shops to rent out but I do not know how to get started.

1. Normally, how much capital is required to get started? I want to start small, maybe buy a single storey house (RM100k to RM200k) then rent it.
2. Buy houses, shops or lands, which is better?
3. I read books of Robert Kiyosaki and play the Cashflow games. It can buy high value property using very little money of our own. Is that possible? How to do it?

I am very new to this and I hope I can learn before I jump into this investment. Thanks for any help and guidance. smile.gif
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post Jul 12 2009, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 12 2009, 01:24 PM)
In the world of investing, there are 2 types of agents. Regardless of property, stocks or business.

The one who can put food on both of our table and the one who only put food on their table.
I am glad to meet my agent, they teach me a lot and I thank for their time and knowledge. (paying them better too) whistling.gif
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How to identify whether the agent is good? I have very less knowledge in this and I really not sure how to see they are telling the truth or not. Some agent promote a thing because they want to earn money not helping us.
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post Jul 12 2009, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 12 2009, 03:14 PM)
Simple - invest your time and effort in doing sufficient homework.
Drive to that area several times at different times of a day, call up various numbers from ads that you can find in newspaper/iProperty etc, read up in forums...

Nothing comes for free - investment is just like any other job/hobby - you need to put in time, effort and money (petrol and toll to drive around?), and properties particularly, you have to be patient as profit generally don't come as fast as other investment vehicles.
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Thanks for the tips and guidance. It is not easy but it seems to be fun. If let say, I have RM50k to invest, would you recommend me to invest in real estate?


Added on July 12, 2009, 3:31 pm
QUOTE(eugene jk @ Jul 12 2009, 03:18 PM)
I would recommend Milan Doshi's book (How You Can Become A Multi Millionaire Real Estate Investor). You can get it from MPH.. Spend a little bit as the saying goes "invest in yourself 1st"

The book cover looks like this - How You Can Become A Multi Millionaire Real Estate Investor by Milan Doshi

A book being just a book, you still need to do research on yourself on which prop to go for, the book just help you to kick start..

If you are someone like me who is "giam siap" not willing to pay for property seminars, you can just drop by some property fairs and listen to their talks FOR FREE..

The up coming one is this.. Notice the seminar's invited speakers are Top Guns in real estate.. dont miss it

Iproperty Luxury Collection - KLCC

Good luck  wink.gif
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Thanks for sharing. I read that book when I am looking for investment books in MPH and Popular Bookstore. It is a good book. I will buy it soon. Since I am staying in Kuching, I would not be able to attend the talk in KL. sad.gif



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post Jul 12 2009, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 12 2009, 03:39 PM)
If you have the interest and passion for buildings + patience + capital - go for properties.
The fluctuation in properties are mild compared to stock market - especially if you focus on properties at good locations (near LRT, amenities, not Rawang or PD where heavy speculations come into play).

Just my 2 cents.
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Added on July 12, 2009, 4:46 pm
QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 12 2009, 03:44 PM)
Funny, I remember dreaming about this discussion before...

To TS.
It take years to be successful in this business.
Which many people have spent time looking for deals every week.
It's a hard and long journey.

As Robert Kiyosaki would say, why you want to invest?
If you just want to earn more money, the likelihood of failing is high.
First, find your reason why you want to invest.
Take some time to think about, it's about what you want to do with your life.
Once you have a strong reason, no matter how hard the deal gets, you will get through it.

Real estate has both strength and weakness.
The biggest strength, passive cashflow.
You can use this investment vehicle to retire in a few years.
That is a very good advice. I read books by Robert Kiyosaki and that is what I stress a lot.

My reason:
When I am rich, I want my parents to enjoy their life and I want to give them better life. My aim is to start a real estate management company in Kuching.

I think that my reasons are not strong enough.

What would be your reason?

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post Jul 12 2009, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 12 2009, 05:34 PM)
My reason. I am tired of working. Everyday I have to spent 3-4 hours travelling.
I rather have fun and enjoy it.
The time wasted for travelling is a very good motivator.

My plan is to retire in 5 years time, which started last year.
The aim is to get 10 properties in this time frame.

Since I lost a deal last year, this year I need to get 3 properties.
My first one is in the process, on the 15th there is another auction so my agent will bid on my behalf.

Before I have this 5 years plan, there was another 5 years plan earlier that didn't make it. The reason is because I lack a strong reason. So this is the update what I have now.

BTW, have you got this?
I consider it to be one of the basics, read this first.
From there on, I recommend start doing that 6 steps.
Start doing by looking at 20 properties every week.
Also get Azizi Ali books. They are a great guide for landlords in term of management.

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I haven't got this book. I will try to look for it in MPH. I know there are a lot of books by Azizi Ali. I will buy it and read it too. Thanks a lot for your guidance.

May I know what job are you involve in? And what age do you plan to retire? How many years have you been working?

I am in engineering field and I am not sure how much salary per month for me to get started in real estate. And, how many years of working to be eligible for housing loan?


Added on July 12, 2009, 5:53 pm
QUOTE(aramis888 @ Jul 12 2009, 05:33 PM)
Agree with Pai.

Dont just read Robert's book, read more than that. Visit property investment  forums, ask questions, learn from the sifu's before you take the plunge.
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Thanks. You are right. I got some books suggestion and I am going to read them soon. smile.gif

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post Jul 14 2009, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 12 2009, 10:40 PM)
It's not any normal book, I think you can call it an audio book.
I doubt MPH sell these.
Do buy Azizi Ali blue and yellow book.

Same job as you, engineering field. More towards PCB design.
If everything goes according to plan, before the age of 40, but do note that my target cashflow is RM2k.
Since you play cashflow 101 often, you would understand why. Ever notice that different profession with different salary are able to get out of the rat race?  rclxms.gif
I start working since Y2k.
Do not let your earning in your day time job stop you from investing part time.
Read the below spoiler first, you may have read it before.
As long as you have a good spending habit, you are "fit" to start.
You are right. I always play CashFlow 101 and I notice that no matter what job we are in, we can get out of rat race with proper investment and loan.

I am in Electronic Engineering too but I am still a student. I am in my final year now and I am going to find a job soon. smile.gif

Thanks for the long spoiler. I read it and I think I already read about it.

I can't find the audio book. How do you get it? rclxub.gif


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post Jul 14 2009, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 14 2009, 09:21 PM)
You may need to check with success resource or visit richdad.com.
It's not going to be cheap. sweat.gif

Remember to take your time, don't rush into it as it may burn you out.
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Thanks. I find the richdad website and I manage to find the audio book. It is quite expensive at price USD$140.00. I am not going to buy it now ecause I do not have much money. I am going to buy Azizi Ali's books 1st. smile.gif

Thanks a lot for your help. notworthy.gif
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post Jul 14 2009, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jul 14 2009, 09:52 PM)
rich dad is rich because of the tremendous support from you guys..
if you're adamant to read about kiyosaki.. consider only 2 of his writings
1. rich dad, poor dad
2. cashflow quadrant

i've read more than 10 of his books (free reading, borrowed from company's library back then).. the rest are similarly evolving around the theme from these 2 books..

i respect this guy for his shrew marketing techniques.. creating derivatives out of his core products and sell them like ramly burgers!!

i only purchased that 2 books mentioned above.. becareful of how you read them.. and you may have to read them more than once to see a different perspective. read critically.

and yes.. don't forget.. the yellow and blue; 2 books *lol* i really like that one!  rclxms.gif
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I have the cash flow quadrant and rich dad poor dad. I have several other of his books too. I already read several times and everytime I read, I find myself improve a bit and getting more understanding. smile.gif

I will surely get Azizi Ali's books.


Added on July 14, 2009, 10:10 pm
QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 14 2009, 09:55 PM)
Or you can download other free audio book, the link it's at the end of Rich Dad Poor Dad book, Cashflow Quadrant and Guide to Investing..
I learn a lot after listening to it many times.
Example www.richdadbook1.com
BTW, Robert and Kim have 1400 small green house to date, this year his target to get 500 more.
He first started to flip properties when he is in Hawaii, not until Rich Dad pull him aside.
Warning him about flipping properties.
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Thanks for the link but it is not working. I am not going to flip properties. I want to buy and rent them. I want to earn the rent and live free.

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post Jul 15 2009, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 14 2009, 10:56 PM)
I tried the link again and it is not working. I think that the link is no longer available. smile.gif


Added on July 15, 2009, 4:49 pm
QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 15 2009, 10:52 AM)
Just got good news from my agent.
My 2nd property this year is confirmed.
Auction at RM109.4k and market rate is at RM142k. biggrin.gif
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Wow, congrats. How do you manage to find low price property? How to look for auction property? Where to go to auction for property?

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post Jul 15 2009, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 15 2009, 04:50 PM)
For me it's ok? Weird.

Any other forumer have this problem?
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Hi,
The link is working now. Thanks.

How do you find auction? Where to attend auction? smile.gif
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post Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 15 2009, 04:56 PM)
Thanks.

How to find?
I learn this from Rich Dad 6 steps, look at 20 properties every week.
Remember looking at property is not the first step, that is step number 3.

Low price property are everywhere but you don't want to look at all of them.
Most are in a bad area hence their low price.
Thus need to go back to step 2, finding an area.
As for auction, there are valuable thread in Lowyat about auction.
Some books also do write about it.
Can you give me the link to the thread or auction?

The book you bought is a good book. I read part of it in bookstore but I do not buy it. laugh.gif I always got bookstores to read books. lolx

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post Jul 16 2009, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 16 2009, 10:41 AM)
Try to search for yourself, especially google. wink.gif

From Ongkl blog.
http://reijb.com/must-know-auction-property/
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I found some auctions on TheStar Classified. smile.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 16 2009, 02:16 PM)
More than 50% are in bad area. Searching auction property is not 1st of the 6 step. blush.gif
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Thanks for the tips. Today I bought Azizi Ali "How to pay off your house loan in 5 years or less". It is a good small little book. smile.gif

I also notice that those listed in TheStar Classified is not that good.
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post Jul 18 2009, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 17 2009, 11:38 PM)
Well, at least you will learn how loans work.  flex.gif

For me I don't intend to pay off my loan for my property.
I would either re-finance every 5 years or flip it.
Taking the equity out and re-invest it.
That is part of my plan.
If you don't understand why, just act as though you do. (LOL)  doh.gif

Speaking of which, Investing is a plan.
There are people out there that buys a property and later sell it for a profit.
Later they would continue the cycle again with another property.

There is nothing wrong for flipping properties but flipping alone is not called investing.
Without a plan, they are pushing the wheelbarrow.
And again, if you don't understand, just act as though you do.
Few years ago I don't understand lesson #4 until early this year.

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Hi, great post.

It is not easy to find a good real estate for investment. I am looking at one in Kuching area but I think that it is over-priced. Most houses in Kuching is over-priced. I am not sure hwy it is so expensive in Kuching. hmm.gif
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post Jul 23 2009, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 19 2009, 09:49 PM)
I am not very sure regarding the market there, but if you can find an investor in that area.
Talk with him, ask him out and treat him lunch.
You'll learn much more. smile.gif
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Hi,
Sorry for late reply.

In Kuching, most of the people I know is buying house to live in it. Not buying for investment. Anyway, I will try to get more friends in real estate and learn from them.

I have a friend from Penisular quite good in real estate investment. I think I will try to learn from him. smile.gif


Added on July 23, 2009, 5:07 pm
QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 19 2009, 09:49 PM)
I am not very sure regarding the market there, but if you can find an investor in that area.
Talk with him, ask him out and treat him lunch.
You'll learn much more. smile.gif
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Hi again,
From what I read in Azizi Ali's book, he said if we have RM100k, we can theoretically control 10 properties of RM100k each by putting down payment RM10k. That is theoretically.

So, I would like to ask you some questions:
1. Since you have been working as an employee, how much money do you need to get started in real estate investment?
2. How much money or income per month in order for the bank to give us loan?
3. Since you do not plan to pay off the loan, then would you feel that you have a lot of debt?

I know that Rich Dad technique is to control debt carefully and use it as a tool to become very rich. The problem is that if we do not have a lot of income per month, how could we get loan and from the bank?

I feel lost.. Please help. Thanks. smile.gif


Added on July 23, 2009, 5:14 pm
QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 14 2009, 11:06 PM)
A book I just bought today, RM36.90 poorer:

You can become rich in property
by Peter Yee.
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Pai.
This book has some details in putting properties in a company.
I have not read that chapter yet.
You may like to browse through in a book store.
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I saw this book and it was at Sale in Popular. I bought another book by Azizi Ali "How to remain an employee and still become a millionaire".

This is a good book and I haven't finish reading it. I get it at RM35+.

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post Jul 24 2009, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 24 2009, 07:57 PM)
You are right Pai.
Here is the cone of learning.

By participating in the discussion, we retain 70% what we learn after 2 weeks.

By reading books alone, 10% only.

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This is a good diagram. I remember Robert Kiyosaki mentioned it before. smile.gif
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post Jul 24 2009, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 24 2009, 09:45 PM)
In his book Financial IQ. blush.gif
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I saw it the videos of YouTube if not mistaken. smile.gif
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post Jul 26 2009, 10:43 PM

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[quote=Pai,Jul 24 2009, 02:54 PM]
good point smile.gif

What is the power of 2? Need some explanation. smile.gif
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post Jul 27 2009, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 26 2009, 11:05 PM)
Combine power with your wifey/hubby  rclxms.gif
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I see. Now, I get it. biggrin.gif Sadly, I don;t even have a girlfriend now. So, the best investment is to invest to get a girlfriend and then get married. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 28 2009, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 28 2009, 08:37 AM)
Divorce.

The husband is left with all of his 3 kids and half of his estates. shakehead.gif
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laugh.gif Need to find gf carefully. biggrin.gif

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