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keemajujaya
post Dec 17 2009, 11:30 AM

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Hi all,

I want to install heat insulator and zinc sheet on the roof for security purpose.
I was quoted as below:

"The length of your house should be 50 feet because the standard set back is 20 feet.
I presumed the length of your 1st floor is about 47 feet.
Ceiling area is approximately 940FS
Therefore, roof area is 20'x51'x1.12 (extra 4 feet for roof eave and extra 12% for gradient length) = 1140FS
The thermal insulation (cellulose) system is RM3,208.00 and roof security system (using zinc sheet only) is RM3,734.00"

That would be RM2.81psf for the cellulose insulation and RM3.28psf for zinc sheet.
Would it be expensive?
Currently I was also offered RM2.60psf for rockwool insulation.


there are few options for insulation...

1) wool or fibreglass wool...
2) aluminium foil to reflect heat radiant( this range from Rm 60.00 per roll to Rm 500.00per roll, depends on its efficiency highest is > 96% reflectivity)
3) or Astino PU insulated metal roofing
http://www.astino.com.my/html/pro-div/insulated.html

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Would appreciate any feedback from you all on the:
1. pros & cons of rockwool vs cellulose,
2. the pricing on zinc sheet. <-- does it have different grade?
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1) in long run, the wool might wall down as it is supported by hex chicken netting which will rust and deterioate in time....

2) this type is metal roofing or metaldec
it is know as Gauge thickness
G 32 (which is the thinnest.. for wall application)
G 30 (typical application)
G28 ( higher standard)
G27 ( normally rich people and use)
G 26 ( thickest... bloody rich people, government and factory use)

NB price differs again for step roofing.. which is about Rm0.50 more exp compared to long run

price is dependents on Foot Run basis... typical G30 would cost about RM 3.50 per FR while G26 would cost about Rm 5.50 per FR

say your house is 20' long and 30' wide

so its (20ft x Rm 3.50 x 12pcs) = RM 840.00 for metal roofing only

but the corrugated is the cheapest of all.... abotu Rm 1.90 per FR which can easily rust in a year time
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Added on December 17, 2009, 11:41 am
QUOTE(ernteoh @ Aug 17 2009, 07:25 PM)
put grill for another 2'. For the roof, some people advise not to use the Ajiya Awning because it will be hot and noisy during raining day. Alternative to reduce noise some contractor suggest using polycarbonate skyline (compact type). Anyhow, it will be hot too.

Another contractor told me to use industrial zinc roofing with added fiber glass & reduce heating layer. Where can I find this product? Any suggestion for contractor that doing this?

Appreciate your kind advice.

Thanks a lot.
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to be frank, any metal roofing will be noisy if rain falls....

refer to my previous post...

Ajiya is one of the top most selling metal roofing company in msia

regards....


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post Dec 28 2009, 12:46 AM

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I've got a question about cellulose insulation. After the thing has been blown in the loft, what happens when I need to get up there to fix the wiring or to do what ever? Will I get cellulose fibres pouring down on me when I remove the ceiling hatch to get up? Will I have fibres sticking all over my clothes, my hair etc etc?
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QUOTE(keemajujaya @ Dec 17 2009, 11:30 AM)

2) aluminium foil to reflect heat radiant( this range from Rm 60.00 per roll to Rm 500.00per roll, depends on its efficiency highest is > 96% reflectivity)
96% reflex. for rm500 per roll is cheap.
i got PARSEC termo B III for my parent's house, rm 1700/ per roll of 96M sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Mar 8 2010, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Super_Lutein @ Aug 24 2009, 04:07 PM)
My house is done on Saturday by TCL Resources,  rclxm9.gif   (Roof Only)
After Cellulose Insulation my home temperature never exceed 27°c yet  flex.gif
We are monitoring our home temperature, so I would like to share my experience here as Cellulose User
And of course the TCL’s Team is very good & professional, done everything with in 4, 5 hours
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I engaged the service of TCl Resources too last Friday for my small apartment. I'm happy to say that it does bring down temperature, and the people from TCl are very professional like you said.

for others, don't expect your house temperature to go down until very cold la. that is NOT the purpose of roof insulation. laugh.gif


Added on March 8, 2010, 5:30 pm
QUOTE(PangurBan @ Dec 28 2009, 12:46 AM)
I've got a question about cellulose insulation.  After the thing has been blown in the loft, what happens when I need to get up there to fix the wiring or to do what ever?  Will I get cellulose fibres pouring down on me when I remove the ceiling hatch to get up?  Will I have fibres sticking all over my clothes, my hair etc etc?
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i was told they would create a removable "pillow", so u can open the ceiling hatch without problem. the wiring... they explained to me but i no contractor so i can't answer. the best is ask them directlyask them directly. no harm ma.

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QUOTE(sblsbl @ Mar 8 2010, 05:26 PM)
I engaged the service of TCl Resources too last Friday for my small apartment. I'm happy to say that it does bring down temperature, and the people from TCl are very professional like you said.

for others, don't expect your house temperature to go down until very cold la. that is NOT the purpose of roof insulation.  laugh.gif


Added on March 8, 2010, 5:30 pm
i was told they would create a removable "pillow", so u can open the ceiling hatch without problem. the wiring... they explained to me but i no contractor so i can't answer. the best is ask them directlyask them directly. no harm ma.
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oh TCL done my house liao. Not bad the result.
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QUOTE(PangurBan @ Mar 8 2010, 05:48 PM)
oh TCL done my house liao.  Not bad the result.
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i see. yes, if not expect cool like refrigerator, the result is quite good. what i dun understand is why there's a research by local university saying roof insulation does not work in Malaysia. Really rubbish work. Somemore publish on Internet. Those who think roof insulation work for them should go share their experience there ---> http://www.scribd.com/doc/13455204/THERMAL...ROPICAL-CLIMATE

. It's environmentally friend thingy. Don't let these irresponsible, cincai study ruin these green efforts. Kajian tempatan.... *sigh*
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QUOTE(sblsbl @ Mar 8 2010, 05:58 PM)
i see. yes, if not expect cool like refrigerator, the result is quite good. what i dun understand is why there's a research by local university saying roof insulation does not work in Malaysia. Really rubbish work. Somemore publish on Internet. Those who think roof insulation work for them should go share their experience there ---> http://www.scribd.com/doc/13455204/THERMAL...ROPICAL-CLIMATE

. It's environmentally friend thingy. Don't let these irresponsible, cincai study ruin these green efforts. Kajian tempatan.... *sigh*
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Aiya, no need to waste time with these people. The first named author is from MARA. Celup punya.
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QUOTE(PangurBan @ Mar 8 2010, 06:01 PM)
Aiya, no need to waste time with these people.  The first named author is from MARA.  Celup punya.
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Memang celup doh.gif .... sigh...
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i read it just now. i really wonder what they measured. i have before and after readings (TCL cellulose) and my results match the ones of you guys. using them is free cause you save so much on a/c charges you break even after a short while and then you have the savings in your pocket smile.gif personally i would assume that insulating the ceiling alone will shave off approx. 20-30% of the bill based on my previous experience ina single story link house.
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Mar 8 2010, 06:40 PM)
i read it just now. i really wonder what they measured. i have before and after readings (TCL cellulose) and my results match the ones of you guys. using them is free cause you save so much on a/c charges you break even after a short while and then you have the savings in your pocket smile.gif personally i would assume that insulating the ceiling alone will shave off approx. 20-30% of the bill based on my previous experience ina single story link house.
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May be someone should advise them to carry out the test again to houses installed with TCL cellulose.

The report will be a laughing stock if present in international conference. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Calmman @ Mar 12 2010, 10:44 AM)
May be someone should advise them to carry out the test again to houses installed with TCL cellulose.

The report will be a laughing stock if present in international conference. cool2.gif
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Maybe they were funded by some company with a rival technology lah.
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post Mar 12 2010, 11:34 AM

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Anyone knows the latest price below?

this type is metal roofing or metaldec
it is know as Gauge thickness
G 32 (which is the thinnest.. for wall application)
G 30 (typical application)
G28 ( higher standard)
G27 ( normally rich people and use)
G 26 ( thickest... bloody rich people, government and factory use)

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can i do both insulation (cellulose) and the roof security system, which one comes first? also, i want to change the whole roof tiles as i just owned an old house, i would like to know what comes first?

i'm sorry, my first time, no experience in this kinda thing..

appreciate also if anyone can help me on new roofing..price per sq.ft
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QUOTE(eltan @ Mar 18 2010, 04:19 PM)
can i do both insulation (cellulose) and the roof security system, which one comes first? also, i want to change the whole roof tiles as i just owned an old house, i would like to know what comes first?

i'm sorry, my first time, no experience in this kinda thing..

appreciate also if anyone can help me on new roofing..price per sq.ft
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TCL did the cellulose thingy and added metal battens to my rafters (the security thingy). Two days worth of work. I suppose they can change the tiles for you as well.


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Hi PangurBan
thanks!

How much does it costs you for both?
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QUOTE(eltan @ Mar 18 2010, 04:51 PM)
Hi PangurBan
thanks!

How much does it costs you for both?
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RM4900. I think it was RM3000 for the cellulose and RM1900 for the battens. It depends on the area. Mine's a 20x70 extended fully to the back alley.
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Will it grow fungus inside?
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post Apr 9 2010, 12:34 PM

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well any price increase latest issue?heard material building increase 20%!!!
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QUOTE(dopp @ Apr 9 2010, 01:13 AM)
Will it grow fungus inside?
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Wah! goodlah if can. I can have my very own mushroom farm up in my loft! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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dopp,

you mean the cellulose? nope - cellulose actively regulates the moisture and channels it out so unlike with other insulation products that might create a dewpoint and corresponding moisture issues this will not be the case with open cellulose. no need to put anything on top either just blow and the cellulose does its thing. in comparison to the stone-fibre wool we had placed in the previous house, the cellulose wins hand-down.

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