HEALTH TALK BY WORLD REKNOWN SCIENTIST

(Organised by Society of Natural health, Malaysia)



Title of Talk – “Micronutrient Efficacy and Nutrient Synergy in Immunodeficiency and Infectious Disease”



Speaker – Dr Raxit J. Jariwalla, PhD



Date and Time – 14 July 2009 (Tuesday). 8.00 PM



Venue – Panmour Villa, Section 20, Shah Alam. (Opposite Selangor Medical Centre).



Investment – RM 20 per person. This amount is inclusive of dinner.



Comment – This talk is not to be missed as Dr Jariwalla is considered to be a world leading scientist is his field of expertist. The Government of China has invited him to lecture on the same topic in Beijing, and on his return trip is stopping by in Kuala Lumpur. The talk venue at Panmour Villa restaurant can house up to 100 persons, and as such we are only catering for a first-come-first- serve basis.



Biography of Dr Raxit Jariwalla –

Dr Raxit Jariwalla is a Senior Researcher in nutrition and infectious diseases at the Dr Rath Research Institute. He was formerly head of the virology and immunodeficiency program at the Linus Pauling Institute and then worked as a principal research investigator of viral, immune and metabolic diseases at the California Institute for Medical Research. His expertise is in virology, immunology and the science of nutrition and the specific application of nutritional supplementation to modulation of immune function, viral infection and tumour growth. He is a pioneer in the discovery of the role of Vitamin C in suppressing the AIDS virus, and in 1990, he and Dr Linus Pauling published their research on the subject. To date, Dr Jariwalla has over 30 publications in peer-reviewed journals and he is known worldwide as a leading immunologist on Vitamin C and HIV.

While at the Linus Pauling Institute, he initiated studies into the role of vitamins and nutrients in the suppression of virus infection and cancer. Jariwalla and his colleagues were among the first to show that biological antioxidants such as ascorbic acid and N-acetyl-cysteine were effective in blocking virus multiplication in chronically and latently infected cells. They were also among the first to demonstrate anti-cancer activity within plant-derived phytonutrients, such as inositol hexaphosphate or IP6.

More recently, Jariwalla in collaboration with clinicians, researched alpha-lipoic acid in AIDS, demonstrating enhancement in blood levels of the major antioxidant glutathione and improvement in lymphocyte function. He and his colleagues also investigated the anti-cancer activity of organic selenium derivatives, demonstrating selective killing of tumour cells by naturally occurring compounds containing this important trace element. Currently he is continuing his research on nutrition and infectious diseases – on the role of micronutrients in the natural control of viral immunodeficiency disease and influenza.


Those interested can contact Saroja (013-3635641)
Wong Ang Peng (012-6644432)

Everyone, please go to this talk. Listen to what Dr Raxit is talking. I firmly believes Dr Raxit, as a scientist who after doing his extensive research should come to conclusion that HIV DOESNT CAUSES AIDS. AIDS is a defiency in Vitamins and Minerals, contrary to what the MEDIA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE

and for those of you who laugh out loud at me about high dose of Vit C, it's time for you to open your eyes and get to know the LIES FROM PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jul 10 2009, 11:28 AM

[quote=david_lynn,Jul 10 2009, 11:27 AM]
Everyone, please go to this talk. Listen to what Dr Raxit is talking. I firmly believes Dr Raxit, as a scientist who after doing his extensive research should come to conclusion that HIV DOESNT CAUSES AIDS. AIDS is a defiency in Vitamins and Minerals, contrary to what the MEDIA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE

Wow... pretty hardcore claims... I can't make it to the above event due to work but would like to know more about what you know, care to share?

4Rings,
Nice to see you around again.

I can't make it to the event, as I'm not back in KL yet.

Mind to post a short summary after the event please?

suprafire,

there's no point I talk to you when all this while Ive been talking the truth, nothing but the truth. But, when people in this forum bash you back as if they have studied HIV=AIDS for years, you know they have absolutely nothing in mind except the information from "conventional medicine" which they believe like a religion. Unknown to many ( in fact they even accuse me of putting out a fairy tale story ) that the pharmaceutical have indeed controlled the media and also the education industry. They lay out a curriculum foundation for students, so that what they study seems have patients' priority in mind, but it is actually the drugs ideology that they are implanting in those medical science. They use cut, burn, insert drugs into your body, surgery....and ALWAYS give patients the impression drugs are the only options, else you would die in a short period of time. The media will only let you know what will be good for boosting the drugs sales. They keep news that will exposed organisations like FDA, CDC and NIH. They will manipulate the statistics to show that chemotherapies have indeed help to extend lives, that with radiation people lives more better. If we always depend on medical science from US, chances are, more people will die than be saved. Many people have a very close-minded mind, BELIEVE ME. and the modern medical science is taking advantage of this human limitations by instilling FEAR into those people. When FEAR comes into you, common sense is no longer common, I can say this with 100% certainty. Unfortunately, the pharmaceutical have all the money in the world to smear those who goes against their plan of using drugs. Yes, they will create confusion among the public by setting up ambigious studies to make those natural vitamins and minerals look bad or have no effect at all. They always promise you that in such years the resolution will be found using the "advance technology" research. Have the solution for cancer that they promise 10 years ago realized ? it's now already 15 years....and same goes with HIV=AIDS. Margaret Hecklar announce that in 2 years time, from 1984, the vaccine for AIDS would be found, has it ever been realized ? However, the Dingell Investigations reveal some scientific misconduct that the HIV Discoverer, Robert Gallo have committed, but US Government quicly close it out...because it is a national security to them, "embarassing since they already announce".

If vitamins and minerals arent that effective, why does they want to come out with a law called CODEX ALIMENTARIUS ? Under this law, you cant purchase more than a certain amount of vitamins and minerals(which is intended because at such low dose vitamins and minerals arent able to cure illnesses) or you will go to jail. US and the EU people are fighting it NOW. But Asia, soon it will come step by step...

That is why in US, Death By Prescription is No.4. But, US people are now realizing it already. They are fighting back for what is right, BUSINESS WITH YOUR DISEASE will get more and more sickening. It wont save your lives, it is intended to extract your money out and make you consume drugs for the rest of your lives, until you experience organ failures. I may sound like giving a philoshopy talk, but believe me, it takes ages to notice such things.

I can foresee Malaysian AIDS Council staff will never go to such talk HIV=AIDS is now the same like you go to a christian and tell them Jesus Christ is not the truth(christians will throw shoes to your face). To become christian, you need to submerge yourself into the holy water or baptized, but in HIV=AIDS, just go for a voluntary test only, unknown to everyone, the test doesnt test for "HIV", doesnt mean you have tested "NEGATIVE" makes the whole paradigm true. Indeed that the authority will tell everyone how they have "overwhelming" evidence, but after all the observations, when there are a lot of people who after 10 to 15 years free from any "AIDS-DEFINING ILLNESSES" and reject the AIDS medication, sometimes you know the medical are good at redefining medical definition to trick people that HIV=AIDS is true. Yes, many will argue, there are people dying as Im writing here. But, ask yourself something, is it the truth that it is this virus which killed this person ? and not the drugs that the modern medical science pursuade that person to take, giving the impression it works wonders in supressing the virus ? or is it the recreational drugs that a person who is addicted to it keep taking it secretly on the behind ? But, isnt it strange that we arent being told by the health authority/media refuse to publish/screen that those who are diagnosed as HIV+ who reject the medication and God knows how fearful they are because of discrimination from ignorant public who survives more than 10 years ? The public have no idea how idiotic they can be when they discriminate those who are "infected", because they dont realized those who are "infected" arent the "real monster".

Modern medical science keeps changing the AIDS defination, from 2 AIDS defining illnesses, that is Kaposi Sarcoma and PCP in the late 80s and early 90s, to now about 29 to 30 illnesses. I was thinking if HIV ( a virus ) can creates so many illnesses as the time progresses, how come other viruses(measles and chicken pox virus) cant ? So, the modern medical science as usual, with 1001 excuses, say that the "virus" can mutates so fast, we need to constantly keep aware of the illnesses they create. My next question is if HIV virus mutates that fast and keep changing, how come the "HIV Test" dont change ? Oh, the HIV Test is one of the accurate technology you can find, there's no doubt about that, specific until 99.7% or more...but how come there's false positive ?
But how come with other diseases, you cant predict the future illnesses, but with HIV=AIDS, you can tell a person that in 10 years time, without medication, they will die ? Oh simple, we measure their CD4, T4 cells and viral load, that determines the progression...and usually normal people have none or very little viral load.
But, how come there are people who rejected the AIDS medication, who have viral load around 1 million(which means according to modern medical science they will die in a few months time), still is completely asymptomatic and healthy ?
In this case, they come out with "Long Term Non Progressors". These questions can keep going on, but the answers are intended to defend their "stand" so that their profit is not in jeapordy, with no patients interests in mind.
I can forsee that if this HIV=AIDS proven to be not true(which is hard because money has grab majority's people's life, many depend on this paradigm to feed their family), many patients are either going to sue their doctors or their own governments.

But, the sooner you realized it, the better...health is not like a religion. Once your life is gone, it is indeed gone. The fact that HIV=AIDS, if HIV is proven to exist, being link in a simple way again proves how unreliable modern medical science is. AIDS is just a defination, it's not a disease. I really hope many people will ponder, when a person says about AIDS, WHAT IS AIDS ?

I think many wont really bother, but if you really want some logic and truth, go and get FEAR OF THE INVISIBLE, by Janine Roberts. Remember, this is not about pseudo science, this is about thinking critically when we only HEAR what we are being told, but never shown any evidence. besides, science is about asking the right questions after all. Science doesnt discriminate or reject other opinions because in science every opinion is 100% worth to think about if the current paradigm is causing people to die like flies.


[quote=suprafire,Jul 10 2009, 05:08 AM]
[quote=david_lynn,Jul 10 2009, 11:27 AM]
Everyone, please go to this talk. Listen to what Dr Raxit is talking. I firmly believes Dr Raxit, as a scientist who after doing his extensive research should come to conclusion that HIV DOESNT CAUSES AIDS. AIDS is a defiency in Vitamins and Minerals, contrary to what the MEDIA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE

Wow... pretty hardcore claims... I can't make it to the above event due to work but would like to know more about what you know, care to share?

[/quote]

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jul 12 2009, 03:18 PM

If it's all about deficiency in vitamins and minerals, why is it that AIDS can spread between people?

Is it because vitamin and mineral deficiency can spread?

But david_lynn, just how strong is your faith? Would you test it by having unprotected sex with a person suffering from AIDS? Or take a blood transfusion from one? Just bulk up on the vitamins and minerals and you'll be fine right? Heh.

Hi Mr. David. Wow... that's a great reply! I am also very skeptical of modern medicine and have in fact been scoping around for articles and research papers to read. However I did not come across the radical AIDS theory you are proposing as yet. My research points to surgery, radiation, antibiotic and hormone therapy as not very effective means to curing a person of disease, in fact most of the time it weakens the person so much he/she is near-death. I myself am a believer in holistic healing, from the arts of chinese medicine, Indian Aryuvedic healing arts, Energy healing, Chi-Gong, etc... and do practice these to a small extent in my life. I have never gone to a hospital or clinic to purchase antibiotics and steriods due to knowing their scary side-effects. Hell I even think that Panadol is bad for us, as it damages the liver and jarrs signals from the body. I do also know that the process of creating these 'modern medicines' are very cruel as they involve testing on living beings, sometimes even humans are secretly being tested upon. I do believe in karma so I choose not to support these medicines on an ethical level too. It is true what you say, that for profit these multinationals create their own market, and it is very scary indeed. However, if what you say about AIDS is true, then it is a very scary thing. But there isn't any proof that AIDS is caused by vitamin deficiency... is there??

wKkay,

why not you try and read about the Padian Study ? In the study which says "NO SERO-CONVERSION" happens. But, I doubt anyone would read it anyway.

If it's all about deficiency in vitamins and minerals, why is it that AIDS can spread between people? - what is AIDS ? can you tell me the long abbreviation of AIDS ?

But david_lynn, just how strong is your faith? - this isnt about FAITH. If you believe your doctor based on FAITH, Im sorry...sooner or later, you will have to leave planet earth. Imagine a doctor says to you about disease X. And the only way to cure disease x is by drinking a drug, called clorox. Do you do your own research about that drug or do you faithfully take the drugs ?

Would you test it by having unprotected sex with a person suffering from AIDS? Or take a blood transfusion from one? Just bulk up on the vitamins and minerals and you'll be fine right? Heh. - Dont be an idiot, you dont need to test for all those. It is through observations that you realize all these things, which Im sorry, (smiling), Ive attched a lot of website evidences for you guys to see, but what you are doing now is exactly what I said in the above...it's just ironic. If you lead your life out of FEAR and not common sense, health isnt for you...

---

Added on July 14, 2009, 1:07 amhi suprafire,

Im glad you agree with me, not just simply because you agree with me, BUT you have decided that health is in your own hands, and therefore you decided to do your own readings/investigations(and not merely trusting me for what I said). I wont reply more now but I have actually replied to the people here many times, and Im just tired...because many dont read but act as if they are already PHD holders(or even said they have read but theor answers obviously prove otherwise). Many think that in medical, only those doctors know what they are doing. But none of the people here thinks that by reading, they can actually see/think for themselves what if really HIV=AIDS is untrue and give an opportunity to the other side a chance.

But as you can see from majority of the reply, wow the questions they ask really is so stupid, (really, I mean it) that you just cant help asking yourself, DIDNT I POSTED THE ANSWERS IN THIS FORUM JUST NOW ? Yeah, people here dont read, they expect you to spoon feed them....it's really horrible and dangerous if you dont read. Anyway here's my past reply that will "trigger your thinking :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/275831/+20

be sure to watch the film trailer HOUSE OF NUMBERS. The medical community is fighting very hard to not let people view this film. You will find how the scientists CONTRADICTS among themselves when they provide their explanation. You will be even shock to listen to what the HIV Discoverer says about HIV To those people out there who out of FEAR submit to the drugs medication....Im sorry that you cant get out from this very challenging and disturbing yet profitable "disease". Everyone like to link AIDS as a disease, unfortunately they themselves dont know that AIDS consists of 29 to 30 illnesses, all not connected to each other, NOT CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER, and they are connected all because of HIV. If you take HIV out, all of them are just illnesses that have occurred in past people before, yes before HIV=AIDS existed.

also, please go to Maria's website, she is alive after I think 24 years being infected. During the medication, she almost died. However, once she realized, she quit the drugs, and she's fine now. She has been asking her Greece government where is the evidence HIV=AIDS, no reply until today...please do go to her website and see her videos. Mind you, this are all real people.

please do read, and start analyzing yourself. It's really not hard when you use common sense.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jul 14 2009, 01:07 AM

Answering a question with a question isn't answering the question at all. Please, stop shifting the attention away, stop dodging the questions, and answer them.

I'm still waiting on your answers on two things:

1) If AIDS is caused by vitamin deficiency, why is it that it can spread between people?

2) If AIDS is caused by vitamin deficiency, would you put your money on the table and take a blood transfusion from an AIDS patient?

After you clear these (even saying "I don't know" is fine, really), I am open to answering your questions.

hey mister,

firstly, i have NO INTENTION TO SHIFT IT AWAY FROM YOU.

1) DID YOU READ THE PADIAN STUDY ? If you do, it would already answer your questions. Your meaning of "spread" here is
obviously by sexually. I wouldnt put it this way, "AIDS is caused by vitamin deficiency" but based on the scientific study, since the
beginning of the AIDS epidemic, researchers have provided scientific evidence that supports the possibility that AIDS can be
effectively prevented, treated, and reverse by guaranteeing an optimal nutritional status to the individual or the patient
(Jain VK, Chandra RD. Does nutritional deficiency predispose to acquired immunodeficiency syndrome? Nutr Res 1984; 4:
537and Beach RS, Laura PF. Nutrition and the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. Ann Intern Med 1983; 99: 565-566
). And there's an opportunity for you even, when you can go to Dr Raxit's talk on the 14th June...Im very sure it is clearly a
very scientific thing that vitamins and minerals are useful for us. But, remember, vitamins and minerals arent patentable.
Therefore, it doesnt belong to any pharmaceutical's property, thus prices cant be raise high. Therefore, the intention is to sway
people away from using natural vitamins and minerals. But since, deficiency in vitamins and minerals cant be seen(you cant
know if your body is depleting in a certain minerals or vitamins, until 10 to 15 years ahead, when "illnesses" starts to come out)
One of the best example is scurvy. The person will bleed from everywhere. Last time, people think it is cause by a virus, but later
when a person starts eating orange(vit C), suddenly their body starts to heal. Imagine those poor people who are being
discriminated by the public...because they thought that those people got "Virus", everyone is out of FEAR. Your second question
obviously reflects FEAR more than common sense. anyway, UNTIL NOW, there is no proof of sexual transmission, and the
epidemiological evidence indicates that it does not spread sexually.

2) Yes, if that person is free from other blood diseases(HIV excluded) AND the same blood type AND that person is not a
hemophiliac, but again let me ask you, really, answer me back, WHAT IS AIDS ? and how deep is your knowledge for you to
question me(not that Im saying my knowledge is higher than you because I dont know you) ? If Im not mistaken, there's this
scientists who injects himself with the HIV blood of a person in front of the spanish television, he was doing fine years after that,
sorry really cant recall his name. anyway, this is an ideal answer for this situation but in reality it doesnt work like that, because
foreign biological matter is stressful to your immune system. Foreign biological matter regarded as being free of HIV has been
shown to trigger false positive HIV diagnoses in healthy mice. I would only accept a blood transfusion from anyone if I really
needed it, ie, if my life was threatened if I was not to have a blood transfusion. And there are two separate issues with blood that
from someone that is either diagnosed HIV positive or has been diagnosed as having AIDS (from actual illness, not just with a low
CD4 count)

If you have been diagnosed HIV positive it means that for at least certain antibodies you have a significantly higher than average
level of them. This is not inherently a risk to your own health as it may be providing protective benefit against something - eg,
malaria parasites. However, your antibodies transfused into someone else's bloodstream is a potential hazard to them, because
they are foreign proteins. Therefore their immune system may well mount a defence to them and create even more antibodies. If
someone is ill enough to be needing a blood transfusion you don't want to put even more strains on their system by forcing it to
react to a larger than average number of foreign proteins that might be in the blood transfused into them. This was one of the
problems with haemophiliacs: Because of the low purity of the factor VIII they were given, because of all the foreign proteins and
antibodies mixed in with it, they also had to be given an immunosuppressive drug to stop their immune system from totally
overreacting to all the foreign proteins. This was one of the main reasons they became ill, not because of alleged HIV in the blood.

Remember that the original purpose of HIV antibody tests was to protect people from being transfused with blood with HIV in. So
they were completely wrong about the blood having HIV in, but in fact you really want blood for transfusions to have as few
antibodies as possible to minimse the unnecessary strain on the person receiving it, so for that purpose it accidentally had some
validity - not completely, because the way the proteins that were designated HIV proteins were selected was seriously flawed,
and it would not be a reliable test for that purpose.

Regarding someone who was already ill and whose illness was designated as 'AIDS' - why would want to use blood from someone
who is ill to transfuse into someone else? That is asking for trouble, even without any putative HIV being present or not.

As I have told you, all your questions are already being answered. Even better, why not you go to Dr Raxit's talk ( an expert and ask him ???? ) geeezz, I seriously dont understand what's wrong with the common sense of people here, YOU INCLUDED...you have an expert coming to give a talk in KL, and there you are asking me questions that can be easily answered in a more better and comprehensive way than me.

I dont care how you interpret it, Im not going to answer any of your questions, if you like go and read the ones I already posted, else you can say WHATEVER you want.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jul 19 2009, 02:09 PM

I attended the talk, it was freaking awesome! The doctor was the real deal! He presented CONCRETE EVIDENCE! Now i can see what you mean by the HIV/AIDS thingy... Well i knew there was a lot of lies all along out there... but it is still fair because only the vigilant and the smart percentage of people will discover the truth, simply because they are curious and hardworking enough to bother with improving their lives. Let's just say after this talk, i know much much more that others don't, and i feel so sorry for them... sad but true! Thanks to 4Rings for posting it here, otherwise i wouldn't have went to this awesome seminar and know the TRUTH... Thanks to David Lynn for encouraging us to go... for people who missed it you can still call the number listed here (Dr. Wong), Doctor Wong is a very respected, humble and helpful person... i met him only twice and i can say this about him... he will gladly enlighten anyone who is curious to know what the visiting Doc had talked about.

To everyone here... find out the truth guys... or else your life is in the hands of others!!!

Dear suprafire,

are there many people who have been there ? ( thought you cant make it to the event ??? )

So, after going to that talk, does looking back at all those who question me and what Ive replied to them make you feel funny ? It's just ironic, because the modern medical science havent save any lives at all for cancer and "HIV-AIDS" (in fact fasten the process of death)but many people choose not to be open-minded. That's why I have said, when FEAR is around, common sense is no longer common.

and that's why I said, those who are infected with "HIV=AIDS", they are not the real monster(in fact they are fine if they arent drug addicts). But those who are pretending to fight for those who are "infected" to get their rights to medication access, those who creates sympthy and charity, those who keeps projecting negative perspective about "denialism"...I wonder who they work for.

and trust me suprafire, even after this, there will be people come up to you questioning you even more and saying you that you are in "denial", but they didnt notice how come those who deny survives more longer than those who follows what their doctors say ? This is becoming more and more evident in "HIV=AIDS" "epidemic". Each year, it seems more and more people are surviving...especially those who rejected the medication. But those who keep on belieiving modern medical science, I can assure you, your lives is always full of FEAR, even though the medication may give you the indication that your symptoms are gone, but deep inside your body, your condition is worsening...you cant clean a place by sweeping the dirt under the carpet. When it accumulates, and when your body no longer can stand it, It will BLOW OUT....even your medical doctor will say, "Im sorry, there's nothing much we can help you. You have only about 6 months to live now. Please get your affairs straight."

These days, health arent given to you voluntarily, so believe in your own body. If "diseases" arent created, then organisation such as WHO, CDC, NIH, FDA will cease to exist, and THE TRUTH is usually bad for the business and there is a need to make people think negatively towards those who reveal THE TRUTH because it is bad for the business.

Attached is an interview for your own reading :

http://www.organicwellness.com/tcfry.htm

when the admin says "After you clear these (even saying "I don't know" is fine, really), I am open to answering your questions. ", I was thinking this kind of person, gone case. Havent expert in a field, already projecting himself like a highly sought after professor. I was laughing at the back....

-QUESTION AIDS ORTHODOX-
Ask Malaysian AIDS Council(MAC) for the evidence, dont be fooled. Dont take the HIV Test.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jul 17 2009, 11:58 AM

david_lynn, I just read the Padian report. First, despite there being no seroconversions in the subjects, the authors put the probability of men-women transmissions to be low, but non-zero. They did not rule out sex from being a factor. Secondly, there are other studies (e.g. this or this) showing that sexual infections do happen.

Also, the American Journal of Epidemiology where the Padian report was published is a product of modern medical science - the same modern medical science that you criticize in post #5. If you can cite this paper, surely you must trust it, and can't criticize modern medical science as a whole. Which is totally fine. But just mentioning so that you're aware of it yknow.

Anyway, the question I asked was - If AIDS is caused by vitamin deficiency as you boldly claim in post #2, why is it that AIDS can spread between people? Recall that the consensus thought is that it not only spreads through sex, but also through infected blood (e.g. needle sharing or transfusions). What are your thoughts about AIDS spreading through needle-sharing?

The question of whether you would take a blood transfusion from an AIDS patient was really a rhetorical one, as you would've guessed. Regardless, you answered my question in good spirit, even carefully listing out the exceptions to which you wouldn't. I'll check out the haemophiliac cases, thanks.

You mention scurvy as an example of past misunderstanding of diseases. Yes, history can repeat itself - but just because it can, doesn't mean it is. Furthermore, the debunking of HIV causing AIDS does not automatically qualify the vitamin deficiency (or other alternative) theory as correct - it just means that HIV does not cause AIDS, and something else does.

You earlier said in your post #8 that "this isn't about faith". The reason I brought up the word faith is because you mentioned religion in post #5. Okay, addressing your question about the doctor prescribing me Clorox for a hypothetical disease X. What happens next is that I take his prescription for Clorox to the pharmacist, who will double-check my prescription. After all, doctors have been wrong before, as you can gather from anecdotes posted by pharmacist bloggers. If modern understanding of medicine has it that Clorox is indeed the medicine for me, then the pharmacist dispenses me Clorox. On the other hand, if it is understood that Clorox is harmful to my condition and the doctor gave me a rogue prescription, then the pharmacist will not dispense it. We can see that while this check-and-balance works at the practitioner level (e.g. against rogue doctors), it cannot work against a systemic flaw in the understanding of medicine. That is something for scientists to fix. I understand its limitations and trust it accordingly. Now, I want to ask - are there any such checks and balances against rogue vitaminists?

I don't think I've missed any of your questions, except the one about the abbreviation of AIDS and what it is. For that, I would regurgitate the wikipedia or medical dictionary entry, so no point there.

Now, offtopic:

In post #10 you asked about my background and how deep my knowledge is. As far as this topic goes, I'm a layperson with an interest in world issues. After all, you posted in #5 about critical thought and asking the right questions. Can't blame me for thinking critically about what you wrote and questioning you right?

If you want to ridicule me for no good reason as in your post #12, I'm cool with it. It was clear that you weren't answering the questions and I had to wave them in front of you again, even if it means I have to be an asshole doing it.

You asked me to go for the talk. I don't live in KL, so asking me to go is pointless.

And off-off-topic:

You're frustrated that people here do not have common sense. Technically speaking, when your thought is not the prevailing one, it is you who does not have common sense Of course, this does not mean you are any less correct, so please don't misunderstand.

And it's strange that you capitalize and emphasize FEAR when you criticize other parties for instilling it. Ever seen a signboard that says "Don't PANIC", where the word panic is emphasized? They don't exist because it's not something that they're trying to instil.

---

Added on July 20, 2009, 8:29 amJust finished reading both your articles. Below are my justifications :

Study 1: These are vague statistical correlations, there is absolutely NO isolation of any virus going on to show that a specific virus that is isolated from one person was ever transmitted to another specific person. Remember that absolutely NO HIV test has ever been properly validated, and there is a huge list of other known factors that can trigger false positive reactions, so the notion that an HIV positive diagnosis inherently represents infection by HIV is risible. When it says, "STI that may cause anogenital ulcers are important risk factors for HIV acquisition among high-risk MSM in Lima", given the non-specificity of HIV tests, it is more likely that anogenital ulcers or other STI's can trigger an HIV positive diagnosis through an increased level of antibodies. And notice the liberal use of the word 'estimate', and the conclusion that - despite circumcision being a non-significant factor in their findings, they urge that increased use of circumcision be considered. In other words, they are giving themselves an excuse to justify more 'medical' intervention.

There are other problems with this as well, because when it says 'risk factors', from this abstract we don't know what those risk factors they are looking for are. But even though we know so many other things can trigger false positives, it is unlikely that those would have been considered 'risk factors' to make notes of. For instance, despite knowing that the vast majority of gay men who were ill with illnesses classified as 'AIDS' in the early days in places like SF and LA, in at least one study they left off questions about poppers and other drug use because there 'wasn't room on the form'. So there can be wilful efforts to avoid gathering data on genuinely known risk factors too. In the same way that when people tell a 'cause and effect' story they tend to eliminate factors that they don't think are relevant and only include factors they believe are relevant, to get a nice neat 'cause and effect', if their cause and effect mechanism is demonstrably incorrect then they are likely to be missing out on the real factors.

Study 2: Where it says, "10 of HIV seroconversion due to sexual contamination" - what evidence is there that sexual contamination is the cause of those HIV diagnoses? The number is still pretty low. What was the racial breakdown of those 10 HIV diagnoses? Could a significant number of them have been black, given that we know that black people are much, much more likely to be diagnosed HIV positive due to having a higher level of antibodies generally? It also says, "70% of HIV seroconversion was contracted in metropolitan France" - how do they know? Or is that just when they did testing because it was convenient to do it then, near the laboratories?

Neither of these studies remotely comes anywhere close to proving sexual transmission. A short while ago I spent about an hour talking to a guy at the Health Care Centre(sorry just forgotten the name of the place), who was specifically responsible for gathering statistics on HIV diagnoses and 'where they came from'. He effectively admitted that where HIV diagnoses come from is all guesswork, based on their beliefs. Which I knew but it was great to hear his methods for deducing it effectively admit that anyway.


This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jul 20 2009, 08:29 AM

Suprafire or 4rings, cant you guys explain further what happen during that talk ? I really believe that by saying out, you will make people realize what david lynn is saying is the truth, in spite of all the differences of information that are provided by majority medical science. I guess this is important, as you know, lots of discrimination is out there, lots of toxic comsumption substances is being used out there, lots of emotional breakdown is happening out there, so hope you guys can share what you guys already learn....

Dern,

not referring to both supra and 4rings...
you must understand that not everyone is generous, even if they know the truth, they still prefer to keep quiet(to protect themselves). Human is selfish by nature, because knowledge is power, ignorance is bliss. You can control people by knowledge. Whether what I say is the truth or not, it doesnt matter, but it is not me who will need to realize the truth, but the people themselves. Science and Technology are 2 different things, science only serves the truth, nothing but the truth, because that is how nature works and there's no prejudice. But technology is man-made. It cant have a lasting effects, and it can serve both good and evil. Human will only start to look for such information when they are suffering from chronic illness, but by then, it is already too late...because FEAR has come to grab them completely, eventually. Even worst, people start to look at you in such a strange way, discrimination starts to happen, people start to avoid you...but at times, I wonder...who are they to judge people ? Only our creator can do that....

oh well, supra and 4 rings dont reply ? anyway, yeah david...it's true what you say but in reality the public dont care at all to be frank. Usually, people like to either

1) wait till chronic illness come out then only find solution
2) ridicule what people say that is different until they themselves experience it

it's sad, really because people out there are really dicriminating people with "HIV". Sometimes, people can be so selfish, I feel it is a lost for someone to have a selfish attitude. sigh, reading back all the post by forumers...there's really a lot of dogmas and "not trusting you" kind of question

Just wish that the public can come to their senses that doesnt mean they dont get cancer or any chronic illnesses, they wont develop them in their later stage of live. Human eventually will have to die and what's wrong with helping the people who are sick ? does discrimination will help solve the problem ? or rather minimize the "diseases" ? After reading some of your past posted websites, I come to realize that those who got the "diseases" arent the people behind who gets infected or not, but rather there's a bigger picture of people in the medical industry that is good at inventing "diseases" and instill fear so that the usage of drugs will be going on even at the cost of humans' lives. No mater what "diseases" that has been "dissapear", soon another new "diseases" will keep coming up, and many people just buy in