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post Jul 8 2009, 11:17 PM


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dudes,
i own a 1997 Suzuki Vitara 2 door JLX with a 1.6 G16A (97hp) engine...already owned for almost 4 years now
my parents thought to sell this great car but they changed their mind and gave a green light for me to have it for safekeeping
anyway, by looking at the engine itself, it sucks
it draws very little torque but drinks up a lot of fuel...worse still, the car is A/T
so my dad suggested something drastic and proposed for a serious mod on performance but minor mod on makeup
being a honda lover due to its n/a engines, my dad suggested (more like ordered) for me to look for good but working honda engines to replace the suzuki engine (thankfully honda engines are in abundance especially at mun lee)

anyway, here are my questions (im a car rookie btw)

i) is it possible for a honda engine to be placed inside the vitara as the space inside the bonet is really
ii) if the answe above is yes, my uncle a former CEO of Suzuki Malaysia...ehehe proposed to my dad for a B16a or the H22a or the legendary C32a...(although im quite sure the C32a is really rare for half cuts) but i refuted by saying that the space might not allow such engines to be installed
iii) what are the costs i can safely incur for such installation if possible
iv) do any of you know where i can find Vitara accessories besides the half cut shops

here's a pic of an old vitara
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my car looks 99% like this except its yellow and i have a 16" BS Turanza with a 15" rim from JRD blush.gif

v) when my dad looked at this picture, he wanted me to find these stuffs (circled in red) for the vitara in question
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and also the speedo
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please advise.

i know this car is old, and some of you will already form an opinion that its not worth it, but i think it is worth it...any car even the common proton wira is worth the mod
i mean, my friends even modded the datsun 120y to the max which i thought was not worth it at first til i heard it went for a drag...haha

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ready fit flare arches for vitara quite hard to find... unless u try find bodykit shop custom make for u lo... as for the front hood protective cover thing, i dont see a point using it...

make sure u have nice set of offset wheels to match ur widen flare arches..
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 9 2009, 12:57 AM)
ready fit flare arches for vitara quite hard to find... unless u try find bodykit shop custom make for u lo... as for the front hood protective cover thing, i dont see a point using it...

make sure u have nice set of offset wheels to match ur widen flare arches..
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oh so u call it flare arches eh
haha
yeah, that one i know some shops can actually craft one for u but just wondering if shops have it ready made but thanks
and what u told me about the cover thing, thats the same phrase i used to my dad
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what do u think of swapping the g16 with a honda engine eh
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Jul 9 2009, 01:17 AM)
oh so u call it flare arches eh
haha
yeah, that one i know some shops can actually craft one for u but just wondering if shops have it ready made but thanks
and what u told me about the cover thing, thats the same phrase i used to my dad
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what do u think of swapping the g16 with a honda engine eh
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what honda engine u wanna put??... b20a from crv??...
not sure if legal or not...
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post Jul 9 2009, 08:58 AM


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Wah ur father really cool-la. 'Forcing' his kid to mod the car engine and bodykit.

My father is d opposite, alway grumble when I 'touch-up' my car
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post Jul 9 2009, 09:26 AM


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TS,
D stuff for 'makeup' are basically
- flared wheel arches
- front bonnet protector
- side steps
- EL meter panel

Due to d age and rareness of ur ride, u can try 4x4 accesory shops 1st though i've a strong feelin d wheel arches n EL meter will nd to b customised.

Actually there was a final "Rhino Edition" before it was taken off the shelves. Looked rather sporty (flared arches n whees, bumper moulded-in bull bar n some body kits). Perhaps s'one might hv 1 or 2 spare conversion kits around.

If not mistaken ur ride is a full time 4wd. Fittin a B or H series from Honda will nd mounting adjustments, alignment n not to forget d doubtful paper work n inspection.

Overall, I'd rather just turbo charge d current 1.6

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post Jul 9 2009, 10:22 AM


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wah.. ill follow this closely, personally have a vitara as well for 5years already but now acting as backup car.
explored engines poss few yrs ago but i think cheapest/easiest is bolt on turbo.
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Jul 9 2009, 09:26 AM)
TS,
D stuff for 'makeup' are basically
- flared wheel arches
- front bonnet protector
- side steps
- EL meter panel

Due to d age and rareness of ur ride, u can try 4x4 accesory shops 1st though i've a strong feelin d wheel arches n EL meter will nd to b customised.

If not mistaken ur ride is a full time 4wd. Fittin a B or H series from Honda will nd mounting adjustments, alignment n not to forget d doubtful paper work n inspection.

Overall, I'd rather just turbo charge d current 1.6
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do you know where i can do that?
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post Jul 10 2009, 12:28 AM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 9 2009, 02:49 AM)
what honda engine u wanna put??... b20a from crv??...
not sure if legal or not...
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QUOTE(rakyat @ Jul 9 2009, 08:58 AM)
Wah ur father really cool-la. 'Forcing' his kid to mod the car engine and bodykit.

My father is d opposite, alway grumble when I 'touch-up' my car
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Jul 9 2009, 09:26 AM)
TS,
D stuff for 'makeup' are basically
- flared wheel arches
- front bonnet protector
- side steps
- EL meter panel

Due to d age and rareness of ur ride, u can try 4x4 accesory shops 1st though i've a strong feelin d wheel arches n EL meter will nd to b customised.

Actually there was a final "Rhino Edition" before it was taken off the shelves. Looked rather sporty (flared arches n whees, bumper moulded-in bull bar n some body kits). Perhaps s'one might hv 1 or 2 spare conversion kits around.

If not mistaken ur ride is a full time 4wd. Fittin a B or H series from Honda will nd mounting adjustments, alignment n not to forget d doubtful paper work n inspection.

Overall, I'd rather just turbo charge d current 1.6
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thanks for the reply dudes

as for the makeup, when u say customise the EL meter, is it possible? usually they ambik from half cut or aftermarket motorsports shops yang jual
but vitara is really old and i doubt meter modifications are still around
if you think it still is, mind advising me on this?

rhino edition eh?
will give that a look up
thanks

my ride aint full time 4wd dude and i've asked around about honda engine
the engine bay in my car is not suitable for any of the honda engine due to lack of space for the Honda engine alone...not taken into account the extra mountings and other necessary additions required to make the engine viable...
but the idea of having a sports car engine in an suv is really mouth watering...what more if can tambah the classic JDM 2.1 CRV block..haha
but one of my friend suggested EJ20 (Impreza V1, V2 or V3) for the car...ehehe
think it can go?

turbo charge is the way to go actually...what more its actually the cost effective way of boosting a certain amount of psi and torque
but the maintenance itself wont be a bomb? i mean, iirc, turbocharged cars require premium engine oil and usually will entail intercoolers due to overheating hence the block koyak
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any advice on this?
someone thought that having those baby turbos like the kkk k03 is good enough for a start but i doubt it will add significant amount of power
what do u think?

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Jul 10 2009, 12:28 AM)
thanks for the reply dudes

as for the makeup, when u say customise the EL meter, is it possible? usually they ambik from half cut or aftermarket motorsports shops yang jual
but vitara is really old and i doubt meter modifications are still around
if you think it still is, mind advising me on this?

rhino edition eh?
will give that a look up
thanks

my ride aint full time 4wd dude and i've asked around about honda engine
the engine bay in my car is not suitable for any of the honda engine due to lack of space for the Honda engine alone...not taken into account the extra mountings and other necessary additions required to make the engine viable...
but the idea of having a sports car engine in an suv is really mouth watering...what more if can tambah the classic JDM 2.1 CRV block..haha
but one of my friend suggested EJ20 (Impreza V1, V2 or V3) for the car...ehehe
think it can go?

turbo charge is the way to go actually...what more its actually the cost effective way of boosting a certain amount of psi and torque
but the maintenance itself wont be a bomb? i mean, iirc, turbocharged cars require premium engine oil and usually will entail intercoolers due to overheating hence the block koyak
smile.gif
any advice on this?
someone thought that having those baby turbos like the kkk k03 is good enough for a start but i doubt it will add significant amount of power
what do u think?
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i dont think ur engine bay is wide enough for ej20 boxer engine...
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post Jul 10 2009, 11:13 PM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 10 2009, 01:05 AM)
i dont think ur engine bay is wide enough for ej20 boxer engine...
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quite right i suppose
luckily i found this Four Times Four
could suit everything i want
from turbochargers, fender flares, absorbers etc.
haha

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post Jul 11 2009, 03:29 AM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 10 2009, 01:05 AM)
i dont think ur engine bay is wide enough for ej20 boxer engine...
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why not, i've got a friend's suzuki Jimny 1.3 fitted with RB20det

for your car, SR20det or 3S-gte is the way to go

just make sure u keep the exterior stock so no one (especially the police) will notice the changes

and just don't go to mun lee for half cut, they always rip ppl off with sky high prices, go somewhere kampung like, like Bentong, or Klang, u never know u'll find treasure with bargain prices in these areas.

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 11 2009, 03:29 AM)
why not, i've got a friend's suzuki Jimny 1.3 fitted with RB20det

for your car, SR20det or 3S-gte is the way to go

just make sure u keep the exterior stock so no one (especially the police) will notice the changes

and just don't go to mun lee for half cut, they always rip ppl off with sky high prices, go somewhere kampung like, like Bentong, or Klang, u never know u'll find treasure with bargain prices in these areas.
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exterior wont notice any changes except normal suv stuffs like fender flares etc
damn...u just gave me hope there
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Fast n furious vitara coming. hv u consider vitara 2.0 V6 engine?
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Jul 8 2009, 11:17 PM)
i) is it possible for a honda engine to be placed inside the vitara as the space inside the bonet is really 
ii) if the answe above is yes, my uncle a former CEO of Suzuki Malaysia...ehehe proposed to my dad for a B16a or the H22a or the legendary C32a...(although im quite sure the C32a is really rare for half cuts) but i refuted by saying that the space might not allow such engines to be installed
iii) what are the costs i can safely incur for such installation if possible
iv) do any of you know where i can find Vitara accessories besides the half cut shops  worth it at first til i heard it went for a drag...haha
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i) yes its possible...but getting it legal may be another issue though.
ii) avoid the B16A for ur car. no torque. heavy car + no torque = moneyflies.gif on fuel. if insist on VTECs (which is well known to lack torque). H22a or B16A+B20B block would be a good idea. the B18C GSR should be a minimum if u want VTECs...C32A forget it. big engine will surely consume petrol like mad......n lets not forget the road tax for it too
iii) typically about 8k into a honda..into a vitara... never heard b4
iv) theres a 4x4 specialist in SS2.perhaps can take a peek there.

QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 11 2009, 03:29 AM)
for your car, SR20det or 3S-gte is the way to go

and just don't go to mun lee for half cut, they always rip ppl off with sky high prices, go somewhere kampung like, like Bentong, or Klang, u never know u'll find treasure with bargain prices in these areas.
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agree with this..especially the SR20. this would be the best engine for ur heavy car. loads of torque to push the car around unlike the VTECs....SR20s are common and halfcuts and parts are easy to find. further modification options are in abundance too...

agree with this oso. prices is one thing...attitude is another. a search on the internet (like mudah.my or zth or etc) might be able to yield better deals

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 12 2009, 08:12 AM)
i) yes its possible...but getting it legal may be another issue though.
ii) avoid the B16A for ur car. no torque. heavy car + no torque = moneyflies.gif on fuel. if insist on VTECs (which is well known to lack torque). H22a or B16A+B20B block would be a good idea. the B18C GSR should be a minimum if u want VTECs...C32A forget it. big engine will surely consume petrol like mad......n lets not forget the road tax for it too
iii) typically about 8k into a honda..into a vitara... never heard b4
iv) theres a 4x4 specialist in SS2.perhaps can take a peek there.
agree with this..especially the SR20. this would be the best engine for ur heavy car. loads of torque to push the car around unlike the VTECs....SR20s are common and halfcuts and parts are easy to find. further modification options are in abundance too...

agree with this oso. prices is one thing...attitude is another. a search on the internet (like mudah.my or zth or etc) might be able to yield better deals
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thankd madman
usually see u in the pc threads
never thought u were into cars too
hehe

actually, im dropping the honda into suzuki project as my dad might be replacing his e200 with a honda prelude bb8 (i think he got one friend bringing cars from singapore)
yeah
been looking at mudah.my almost everyday
thanks
will do more research on this
but wow, the sr20det is really superb...hehehe
what i worry is registration with jpj etc too

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retired from paying cars a few years back and got into PCs.. hence the reason y im always in that section heheheh
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Hi TS,

Although this post is unrelated to anything technical, I'd like to share about my Vitara too.

I inherited the Vitara JLX (1999) from my parents (more of my mom). As you've already mentioned the fuel consumption is really crap for city drive (avg. 280km full tank, city driving). Engine's slightly noisy now since it overheated back in February. Sent to the repairshop to change the radiator and a few other parts, it nv sounded the same again. Anyway, as long as it can bring me from point to point safely I'm contented.

Without further adieu - my big yellow taxi / yellow monster / banana car (as nicknamed by friends) after a spanking clean car wash smile.gif

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Sr20 of course, relatively cheap, many parts and reliable
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QUOTE(Came|toe @ Jul 31 2009, 12:10 AM)
Hi TS,

Although this post is unrelated to anything technical, I'd like to share about my Vitara too.

I inherited the Vitara JLX (1999) from my parents (more of my mom). As you've already mentioned the fuel consumption is really crap for city drive (avg. 280km full tank, city driving). Engine's slightly noisy now since it overheated back in February. Sent to the repairshop to change the radiator and a few other parts, it nv sounded the same again. Anyway, as long as it can bring me from point to point safely I'm contented.

Without further adieu - my big yellow taxi / yellow monster / banana car (as nicknamed by friends) after a spanking clean car wash smile.gif

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damn urs look nice
this looks like vitara sports or the one with rhino edition or the wideboy series
which one eh is yours?
my colour is exactly like urs
look at my post in the suv thread (suv/4x4/pickup) post no#67
i snapped some pics of my vitara

actually, the engine memang noisy
takde kaitan with overheating sepatutnye
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the g16a's funny
it can reach 160km/h (maximum in the head unit) but the engine will be ultra noisy cuz the rpm wont go more than 4
hahaha

QUOTE(bibbyGirl @ Jul 31 2009, 06:00 AM)
Sr20 of course, relatively cheap, many parts and reliable
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yeah
i know
already decided
but i dunno what to do with the g16 engine inside later
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sr20det ftw

once dah endorse etc, will let u guys know how the car goes

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dudes,

my mechanic brought me to a nissan specialist for my car

i saw there a lot of nissan engine sr's, rb's and ca's
anyway, these engines caught my eye

CA18DET
SR20DET
SR20DE Autech Spec S

im aware of the differences between the 3 especially CA18DET vs SR20DET
but im curious about the Autech Spec S SR20DE cuz i've read in a lot of sites there're many versions (correct me if im wrong)
these engines are rare and being n/a, they dont provide good torque
but their stock bhp is 200
is this correct?
i've heard that in some sites, their s14's are only 140-160hp but using the same stock autech spec s

can anyone explain?
(not that i want this engine anyway...im still thinking about CA18DET's...its rare, unique, cast iron, classic and superb...tapi sr20det is just marvelous)
hahaha
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Aug 2 2009, 02:39 AM)
dudes,

my mechanic brought me to a nissan specialist for my car

i saw there a lot of nissan engine sr's, rb's and ca's
anyway, these engines caught my eye

CA18DET
SR20DET
SR20DE Autech Spec S

im aware of the differences between the 3 especially CA18DET vs SR20DET
but im curious about the Autech Spec S SR20DE cuz i've read in a lot of sites there're many versions (correct me if im wrong)
these engines are rare and being n/a, they dont provide good torque
but their stock bhp is 200
is this correct?
i've heard that in some sites, their s14's are only 140-160hp but using the same stock autech spec s

can anyone explain?
(not that i want this engine anyway...im still thinking about CA18DET's...its rare, unique, cast iron, classic and superb...tapi sr20det is just marvelous)
hahaha
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CA18det is a very old engine, if u are in a tight budget, this is your choice. Or else SR20det is the best choice here. SR20de is good if your car handles very well in corners, because u can tekan all the way through corners and the response is a bit better than the turbo, but the price is similar (a bit cheaper than) the turbo version, so better get the turbo one because you'll need the torque

CA18det 166hp only
stock bhp of 180sx red top SR20det is 202 i think
200sx blacktop is 217hp (get this one, market price estimated RM6000)
newest S15 model blacktop is 245hp but this is super expensive and rare
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Aug 2 2009, 04:51 PM)
CA18det is a very old engine, if u are in a tight budget, this is your choice.  Or else SR20det is the best choice here.  SR20de is good if your car handles very well in corners, because u can tekan all the way through corners and the response is a bit better than the turbo, but the price is similar (a bit cheaper than) the turbo version, so better get the turbo one because you'll need the torque

CA18det 166hp only
stock bhp of 180sx red top SR20det is 202 i think
200sx blacktop is 217hp (get this one, market price estimated RM6000)
newest S15 model blacktop is 245hp but this is super expensive and rare
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im thinking of getting the s14 blacktop (5 speed manual)
hehe...actually already got green light from my parents and found the nissan specialist

storm u super hebat eh

anyway, ca18det and sr20det has been in the debates for years
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Is the 2001 version using timing belt or chain? Normally can last for how long and estimate how much to replace? Thks.
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wow man, ur parents are damn cool....hahaha

im riding a 20 years old swift which im building up slowly haha

hows the mod going?
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currently
the engine im using is ca18det with sr20det's turbo (tr28)
banyak kene tukar
since im changing from auto to manual
kene install new tires later also cuz tamau pakai 15" turanza for long
im thinking of 17-18" BS jugak kot or procomp (i want the all terrain tires)
ekzos also mau kasi tukar later tapi custom la and single output

currently mounting already installed etc tapi problem with the gauge cuz pakai 180sx punye original gauge and wiring
so kene tengok how
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I would suggest sr20det engine on vitara. Btw im also a vitara owner but mine is 4doors jdm spec (Escudo Nomade). I admit the fc sux...mine only can go around 330km one fulltank. I saw in youtube some fella swap a 1jz twinturbo in his 2doors vitara...i dun think jpj will approve it here.
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QUOTE(deathzone @ Nov 25 2009, 12:30 AM)
I would suggest sr20det engine on vitara. Btw im also a vitara owner but mine is 4doors jdm spec (Escudo Nomade). I admit the fc sux...mine only can go around 330km one fulltank. I saw in youtube some fella swap a 1jz twinturbo in his 2doors vitara...i dun think jpj will approve it here.
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1jz is too big not in size but power...tengok je la kete supra tu
mine is ca18det
already in with sr20det's turbo
pakai HKS intercooler and had to put it top mount though
have not gone out of the workshop yet cuz cockpit belum habis
problem is, i tried the same setup with a silvia s13 and the boost is humongous even at stock settings...sheit!!
now i dont know if the 2 door vitara can handle it
i might have to change to a larger tire and add weight to the car to increase stability...like roll cage anyone? ahahaa
takde la, i met this guy from thailand who was quite a high roller in off road stuffs
he suggested the idea of getting a larger tire, better gear ratios, heavier bull bar too
that way the car can be more stable
strut bar also for safety of the engine inside
dunno la
hahahahaha

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Nov 29 2009, 03:17 PM)
dude
1jz is too big not in size but power...tengok je la kete supra tu
mine is ca18det
already in with sr20det's turbo
pakai HKS intercooler and had to put it top mount though
have not gone out of the workshop yet cuz cockpit belum habis
problem is, i tried the same setup with a silvia s13 and the boost is humongous even at stock settings...sheit!!
now i dont know if the 2 door vitara can handle it
i might have to change to a larger tire and add weight to the car to increase stability...like roll cage anyone? ahahaa
takde la, i met this guy from thailand who was quite a high roller in off road stuffs
he suggested the idea of getting a larger tire, better gear ratios, heavier bull bar too
that way the car can be more stable
strut bar also for safety of the engine inside
dunno la
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Hows ur fc using ca18det??
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gosh its becoming a monster!! hahaha...adding strut bar is a good idea, adding rivet or spot well more points to the chasis joints will help even more.

i rivet my car, the difference is great, other swifter tht drives my car say my chasis is solid compare to thiers

but im 50% done with riveting only, manual rivet is painfull n lots of places are really hard to reach.

btw ur parents agreed to all those? OMG wish i got parents like tht tongue.gif

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QUOTE(deathzone @ Dec 1 2009, 08:50 PM)
Hows ur fc using ca18det??
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car will come out sometime b4 new year
will test
tapi gotta endorse also
before endorse of course kene korek lubang hidung = air scoop intake at the bonnet
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QUOTE(xtorm @ Dec 3 2009, 11:12 PM)
gosh its becoming a monster!! hahaha...adding strut bar is a good idea, adding rivet or spot well more points to the chasis joints will help even more.

i rivet my car, the difference is great, other swifter tht drives my car say my chasis is solid compare to thiers

but im 50% done with riveting only, manual rivet is painfull n lots of places are really hard to reach.

btw ur parents agreed to all those? OMG wish i got parents like tht tongue.gif
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i agree
rivets and struts and suspensions and absorbers are my firsts in the lists although the final 2 are kinda expensive unless get at kedai potong

can be a monster ke?
haha
vitara aint got no safety features except for safety belts
hehehe
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dear all,

drove the car few times but never brought camera
the acceleration is really out of the world for a small suv
kinda make me scared
anyway, here're some pictures for updates
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currently some minor issues to fix like exhaust makeover, installing the air intake scoop, replacing the fuel injector, checking the water temp controller and other small small stuffs
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the exhaust tak tukar lagi so the sound kinda sucked tapi even after tutup tingkap, the engine sounds can be heard
just like the WRX STI

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Feb 13 2010, 02:44 AM)
dear all,

drove the car few times but never brought camera
the acceleration is really out of the world for a small suv
kinda make me scared
anyway, here're some pictures for updates
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currently some minor issues to fix like exhaust makeover, installing the air intake scoop, replacing the fuel injector, checking the water temp controller and other small small stuffs
tongue.gif
the exhaust tak tukar lagi so the sound kinda sucked tapi even after tutup tingkap, the engine sounds can be heard
just like the WRX STI
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wow! nice.....

so what kind of air-scoop r u using? because the intercooler is in an odd position
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Either u can choose SR20DET,RB20-25DET or 1JZ-GTE......these engine mostly use in 4x4 vehicle and quite reliable.....mostly ppl choose 1JZ because of the torque and it's reliable compare to other 6-inline engine wink.gif

Boxer engine.....what a joke,the low engine position could lead to engine failure if water contact the cylinder when the car doing off-roading activity....

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 13 2010, 09:31 PM)
wow! nice.....

so what kind of air-scoop r u using? because the intercooler is in an odd position
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i dunno
my inspiration is the impreza ganas look
but the demure pajero evo look is also welcome
kancil and other cheap skate stuff not in the picture
hahha

what u think?
any suggestions?
and yeah, the intercooler kinda in an odd position
BOV pun tak install lagi cuz malas nak fikir kat mane nak letak
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btw, storm
the guy doing my car cant seem to figure out why the rpm needle wont sync with the engine
i mean, during ignition, the thing went up but then it just halted at 0
i dont really mind anyway cuz im thinking of swapping it with the digital like my speedo
is it a good idea?

QUOTE(Pajero 4D56 @ Feb 13 2010, 11:20 PM)
Either u can choose SR20DET,RB20-25DET or 1JZ-GTE......these engine mostly use in 4x4 vehicle and quite reliable.....mostly ppl choose 1JZ because of the torque and it's reliable compare to other 6-inline engine wink.gif

Boxer engine.....what a joke,the low engine position could lead to engine failure if water contact the cylinder when the car doing off-roading activity....
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bro sudah pasang already ca18det with sr20 turbo
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hey all
current update on my car
smalam last test drive
felt ultra powerful
had the following installed;

i) twin exhaust setup
round shape with titanium tip

ii) blitz BOV
when boost, sounds like ombak hit the batu - super nice
hahaha

iii) rpm odo ganti with aftermarket tachometer from NRG along with NRG boost meter

iv) final drive is high - which i think is bad but thats the best setup for the car so far
i think around 4-4.2 cant remember

v) the disk brakes dah drill

after this, once i get the thing, planning to do the following;

i) install titan absorber + suspension kit to ganti the stock suspension

ii) to raise the car about 1-1.5" since the stock setup meant the gear box touches the chassis and made funny noises

iv) like all suv's, vitara ade 8 connectors (4 left, 4 right) in the form of 8 nuts to connect the upper body to the drive train underneath i.e. like our toy cars where u can cabut the upper body and just plug and play to the drive train...one of the middle left nuts dah haus after years and patah therefore made the middle left side sounds funny on uneven terrain...gonna ask the guy who's customizing the titan suspension kit to customize it...

v) install air scoop for intercooler on the left...planning for pulsar net scoop tapi macam bahaya masuk air...maybe pakai celica's long scoop or subaru GC8...tak sure lagi

vi) trying to play around with removing the speedlimit warning in the ECU whereby after 100km/h there'll be this funny bell sound telling u ur over 100km/h - normal for japanese cars...

hehehehe
best...
nanti i ambik video of the car
also just found out 180sx punye aircond setup macam lain sket
hmmm....

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Mar 27 2010, 05:06 PM)
ii) to raise the car about 1-1.5" since the stock setup meant the gear box touches the chassis and made funny noises
how come? in all my years in car modding i've never encountered this before, the gear box would never touch anything because it's locked in place. Maybe u need to check with your mechanic about this

and again, about the location of your intercooler, it's such a weird position to put it, maybe u should re-consider fitting a new front mount one. If u put an air scoop on your bonnet, it'll look weird because it's not in the center.

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Mar 30 2010, 02:56 AM)
how come? in all my years in car modding i've never encountered this before, the gear box would never touch anything because it's locked in place.  Maybe u need to check with your mechanic about this

and again, about the location of your intercooler, it's such a weird position to put it, maybe u should re-consider fitting a new front mount one.  If u put an air scoop on your bonnet, it'll look weird because it's not in the center.
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tapi many pajero / land cruisers 2 doors banyak gak kat tepi kiri
but i'll think about it
if not i dont mind if its weird as long as its practical

the gearbox tak touch anything tapi the size is larger than the last gearbox so the edges hit a bit when on bumps
thats what i felt though
lepas ni i memang nak customize the bolts for the chassis
so i can recheck that time
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Mar 30 2010, 12:29 PM)
tapi many pajero / land cruisers 2 doors banyak gak kat tepi kiri
but i'll think about it
if not i dont mind if its weird as long as its practical

the gearbox tak touch anything tapi the size is larger than the last gearbox so the edges hit a bit when on bumps
thats what i felt though
lepas ni i memang nak customize the bolts for the chassis
so i can recheck that time
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those pajero or landcruiser are big cars with big bonnets, so it doesn't look weird, your's has a small bonnet, trust me, it'll look weird. and after you drilled a hole in it, u wont be able to cover it up IF u regret, so maybe u should think carefully when u decide this. changing to front mount maybe a bit expensive but u don't have to drill the bonnet and then respray. better to do it satu kali than doing it step by step, it'll just waste more of your time and money. plus, in the near future u might think of getting front mount, so why not just do it now before u start cutting your bonnet?

the gearbox edges hitting the metal? icic.....so just hantam / knock the metal inside a bit lah, no need to make your ride higher. u should make your ride lower, not the opposite, for better handling (and looks)
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Mar 30 2010, 08:32 PM)
those pajero or landcruiser are big cars with big bonnets, so it doesn't look weird, your's has a small bonnet, trust me, it'll look weird.  and after you drilled a hole in it, u wont be able to cover it up IF u regret, so maybe u should think carefully when u decide this.  changing to front mount maybe a bit expensive but u don't have to drill the bonnet and then respray.  better to do it satu kali than doing it step by step, it'll just waste more of your time and money.  plus, in the near future u might think of getting front mount, so why not just do it now before u start cutting your bonnet?

the gearbox edges hitting the metal? icic.....so just hantam / knock the metal inside a bit lah, no need to make your ride higher.  u should make your ride lower, not the opposite, for better handling (and looks)
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aite aite
good point to ponder
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memang the plan in the pipeline already
but im waiting for my bonus to convert it into front mount
it depends entirely on my objective jugak
if the temps are okay still, i'll stick without scoop for the first few months



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dudes
i need ur expert advice
yesterday tested my car for the second time and these are my disgustful observation:

i) the gear box bising all the way when im driving like rattling

ii) it made a thudding sound whenever i slowed down

iii) whenever i went high rev, the aircond compressor seemed not to exude any cold air...i.e. air cond jadi fan

iv) high vibrations against the chassis...more than 120kmh, badan start gegar gegar (but i think this is owed to the rigidity of the body itself and not the engine)

v) tadi clutch patah...f*ckk...kene tow the car lantak la the mechanic pays since he was with me all the time...

i know its best to have a look at the car to actually know whats going wrong
but any pragmatic ideas?
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Apr 3 2010, 12:17 PM)
dudes
i need ur expert advice
yesterday tested my car for the second time and these are my disgustful observation:

i) the gear box bising all the way when im driving like rattling

is it mounted correctly ? if the drive is still smooth - then something at your gb mounting out

if the drive is not smmoth - something in your gb ? hehehe

ii) it made a thudding sound whenever i slowed down

your mountings?  or brakes ?

iii) whenever i went high rev, the aircond compressor seemed not to exude any cold air...i.e. air cond jadi fan

hehehehe. your kipas not storng enuf. why?  you accelarate - your radiator water get hot. when its too hot, it affects yours condenser - i.e. condenser cannot cool down - so kenot cool lah -

iv) high vibrations against the chassis...more than 120kmh, badan start gegar gegar (but i think this is owed to the rigidity of the body itself and not the engine)

check the whole mountings -  the vitara can do mild off roading , it should not shake as you mentioned.

v) tadi clutch patah...f*ckk...kene tow the car lantak la the mechanic pays since he was with me all the time...


pedal patah ? or clutch hangus ?  -  change mechanic  icon_rolleyes.gif

i know its best to have a look at the car to actually know whats going wrong
but any pragmatic ideas?

Put bigger turbo.  whistling.gif

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Hi rev, air con like fan means that you hv cooling issue. Radiator not big enough? Or radiator clogged? Fan not spinning fast enough?

Intercooler not working efficiently?
Or maybe fueling issue?
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QUOTE(lienster @ Apr 3 2010, 08:56 PM)

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i)drive is smooth
it made noise all the way driving
but it does sound like something in my gb
ahahaha

ii) this one i'll check

iii) kipas not strong enuf eh...how do i mitigate or amend this? change radiator...change kipas?

iv) when u say mountings u mean the engine mountings or the chassis mounting? the chassis mounting is missing one bolt that one is for sure...the engine mounting, that one i dont know for sure gotta recheck but i've driven the car during the engine interchange process never had an issue before...dunno why
i know vitara can handle offroading but even using the previous g16a, more than 110kmh already gegar like mad
hahaha...

v) not clutch hangus...the clutch pedal patah

put bigger turbo? hahaha...
nice suggestion but let me manage the aesthetics issues first
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Apr 3 2010, 10:20 PM)
Hi rev, air con like fan means that you hv cooling issue. Radiator not big enough? Or radiator clogged? Fan not spinning fast enough?

Intercooler not working efficiently?
Or maybe fueling issue?
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lienster did mention something about fan
any ideas how to mitigate this ?
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Did u send your radiator for cleaning? Done?

Is your radiator plastic housing being fitted properly? Piece of plastic behind the radiator, enable the fan to work efficiently. U must hv this fitted.
Your thermostat, is it functioning well? Maybe partially stuck?

Erm, r u running electric fan? Or clutch fan?
If electric, u can find a faster motor.
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i)drive is smooth
it made noise all the way driving
but it does sound like something in my gb
ahahaha

ii) this one i'll check

iii) kipas not strong enuf eh...how do i mitigate or amend this? change radiator...change kipas?


YOU CAN TRY CHANGING TO A bigger and more efficient radiator. i Would suggest YOU Add another fan (SLIM TYPE) IF YOUR FANS ARE WORKING WELL.trial and error a bit. my demo car uses 3 fans and better radiator after trial and a lot of error.  I happen to own a vitara too, the newer one to yours 16v engine. also i had to modify an extra fan . belum cuba belum tahu.  thumbup.gif

iv) when u say mountings u mean the engine mountings or the chassis mounting? the chassis mounting is missing one bolt that one is for sure...the engine mounting, that one i dont know for sure gotta recheck but i've driven the car during the engine interchange process never had an issue before...dunno why
i know vitara can handle offroading but even using the previous g16a, more than 110kmh already gegar like mad
hahaha...

110 don't gegar 1! - unless your chassis mtg got problem or your driveline including your wheels out of balance or tire.  shakehead.gif



v) not clutch hangus...the clutch pedal patah

you have strong left foot - should go mr. strongman competition.  icon_rolleyes.gif

put bigger turbo? hahaha...
nice suggestion but let me manage the aesthetics issues first  shocking.gif real man don't care about "visuals"  shakehead.gif

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lienster did mention something about fan
any ideas how to mitigate this ?
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QUOTE(lienster @ Apr 4 2010, 11:42 AM)
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not the visuals
i meant the aesthetics on the minor burning issues like gb issues etc
i used the wrong phrase
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i dont really care sangat pasal visuals
the only improvement i did was adding the fender flares

i think the chassis mtgs really got problem bro...but i dont know who can help me mitigate this problem

about the fans, i'll do some trial and error also
hehe...thanks for the info
never really thought about that

changing radiator mahal tak bro?



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dear all
the car is now at home
car looked a lot better now but i have some issues which i have already informed the guy doing my car (another guy though - a pro mechanic for 4x4 rally)
currently the issues below persist:

i) the gearbox makes noise when slowing down at high speeds...i asked around and also the mechanic theoretically said that it could be due to cheap gearbox oil used...but this needs further checking

ii) the handbrake is not gripping the car enough...this is a problem when u stop dekat bukit...

iii) rear left bushing worn off and produced a superb "kaboom" whenever i hit lubang...damn that gotta hurt

other than that, everything's alright
the titan absorbers added 500% comfort to the car, cornering is more fun, aircond issues long gone, i can rev the car at 6-7k rpm without worrying, the evo3 vents are eyecatching at petrol stations...haha

oh well
once all those sort out, gotta make my way to jpj
so far spent almost 15k but my dad said its worth it
so ok la kot

later will upload pictures of car
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hey can this vitara be taken for some muddy off road track?
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did you do the transplant at nats autoparts?
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QUOTE(BHQ91 @ Jul 31 2010, 06:07 PM)
hey can this vitara  be taken for some muddy off road track?
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i dunno how to answer this question cuz i dont intend to really take it there
but the power it exudes, i think its possible granted i include various mods to the frame and tires too
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btw, the car is already up and running for the past 4 months


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Bro, can you snap a picture of the whole car? It does look promising smile.gif Condition looks good as well.
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later when i have a camera with me
hahaha
besides its already night time

my only problem now lies in the endorsement with JPJ
im so scared if my rear drum brakes fail the tests (vitara has no rear disc brakes)
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So ur AC issue is fixed already?

I just wanna to share with u.....some Japanese car will disengage the AC Compressor Clutch for a period of time when u rev the nuts out of the engine to put more power to the wheel,so the AC might be not cold for a while la...u can disable this function via ECU remapping but it will make the punch of your car haves out when u step on it hard more weak lo wink.gif

Nothing is perfect in this world,but in Japan they used to it because their weather is colder then ours,even my RX8 oso be like that one so no need to worry about it wink.gif
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Aug 9 2010, 12:19 AM)
i dunno how to answer this question cuz i dont intend to really take it there
but the power it exudes, i think its possible granted i include various mods to the frame and tires too
smile.gif

btw, the car is already up and running for the past 4 months
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Hey bro, I own a vitara too. Want to ask u where u mod ur car.

Planning to add some accessories like SIde Step...etc
But have no idea where to get all these things
My vitara is 3-door 2.0 Auto, engine model J20A. Recently just change a 2nd-hand Crank Sensor.

Holy cow...this 2nd hand crank sensor took me nearly 1k to get it. I go here and there, call car-parts shop...call Vanli also cant get the part (Vanli said it cost rm1700 for new one).

At last found a workshop that could help me to order...but then I think its overprice (maybe??) coz this little thing cost me about rm930, but no choice i have to take it, I've been spending 2 mths to look for the part.

Now the car back on road. So far I quite happy with this car, very powerful, I use this travel outstation frequently. Anyone know how to make it more stable when driving? I changed new tire, absober front i use gas one, at the back i use oil one...then tire pressure i make it 25 (front), 23(back), it becomes not so bumpy. But sometime drive on road that condition not so good, sit inside feel like earthquake.

I plan to do a lil touch up to make it look nicer, any idea?

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QUOTE(A Wil @ Aug 16 2010, 11:36 PM)
So ur AC issue is fixed already?

I just wanna to share with u.....some Japanese car will disengage the AC Compressor Clutch for a period of time when u rev the nuts out of the engine to put more power to the wheel,so the AC might be not cold for a while la...u can disable this function via ECU remapping but it will make the punch of your car haves out when u step on it hard more weak lo wink.gif

Nothing is perfect in this world,but in Japan they used to it because their weather is colder then ours,even my RX8 oso be like that one so no need to worry about it wink.gif
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bro my ac issue senang je
replaced the compressor and the fan - all ok already
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the engine is old engine, so no AC Compressor clutch

QUOTE(icesore @ Aug 27 2010, 03:43 PM)
Hey bro, I own a vitara too. Want to ask u where u mod ur car.

Planning to add some accessories like SIde Step...etc
But have no idea where to get all these things
My vitara is 3-door 2.0 Auto, engine model J20A. Recently just change a 2nd-hand Crank Sensor.

Holy cow...this 2nd hand crank sensor took me nearly 1k to get it. I go here and there, call car-parts shop...call Vanli also cant get the part (Vanli said it cost rm1700 for new one).

At last found a workshop that could help me to order...but then I think its overprice (maybe??) coz this little thing cost me about rm930, but no choice i have to take it, I've been spending 2 mths to look for the part.

Now the car back on road. So far I quite happy with this car, very powerful, I use this travel outstation frequently. Anyone know how to make it more stable when driving? I changed new tire, absober front i use gas one, at the back i use oil one...then tire pressure i make it 25 (front), 23(back), it becomes not so bumpy. But sometime drive on road that condition not so good, sit inside feel like earthquake.

I plan to do a lil touch up to make it look nicer, any idea?

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if u wanna know, the mech i sent my car who i owe so much is a freelance rally mech
he has shop in kampong melayu subang
i owe him la cuz TODAY MY CAR PASSED PUSPAKOM!!!!
YAY...
anyway, the first shop i sent the car f****d up my car real good with bad workmanship etc

anyway, if u wanna install the stuff, u can find them at ebay and buy them via our bulk orderes here at lowyat like dyumean and the rest
i've known those people cuz i bought lotsa stuff from ebay and they charge small price je for their services
once u dapat the item, i can get u to meet my friend anywhere in kl to look and see the parts to install
installation is cheap but barang vitara memang mahal bro
serious...
ur lucky u found a j20a engine for a 2door
i got a stupid g16a
hahahaha...
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J20A is superb for this car...but I found that not much workshop here know this engine, and the parts are super hard to find+expensive.

Really need to locate a good workshop with good mechanic. lol

I 'll try to search for the item on ebay.

thx bro!
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GTOFORCE.
could u give me more details on that mechanic in kampung melayu subang. coz that area is very very convenient to me.
contact number maybe.
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its been 4 months since i last posted
now i'll post updated pics since now got nokia n8
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Engine View - the text were mistakenly added and reduced into small letters because i did it while zooming in
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i have also changed my audio with kenwood subwoofers, amp and 2x speakers (front only) whereas rear speakers remain stock
changed my player to kenwood kdc-u449 which is superb already

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i love the car

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hi guys , im new here
i plan to get 97year old vitara , fc is ok for me..but im worry about the spare part , is is easy to found or repair in kl workshop?
tq....
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QUOTE(kindaboring @ Mar 27 2011, 07:09 PM)
hi guys , im new here
i plan to get 97year old vitara , fc is ok for me..but im worry about the spare part , is is easy to found or repair in kl workshop?
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