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 Battery Drain/Usage on iPhone 2G/3G/3GS/4, What to do? How? Solution?

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tnsai
post Oct 18 2009, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Oct 18 2009, 12:21 AM)
@tnsai,
Based on your data usage, it doesn't seem as if you're going to have problems with data charges - U've used not even 10% of your 500MB in your last bill tongue.gif

Anyhow, I'm waiting for TomTom to release theirs but will think twice before I make the plunge since I'm usually the designated driver *grins*
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Lol, nahh the real test of usage will come next month the 10th.,,, my last usage is pro-rated from 2nd October. But yeah I think my limit SHOULD retain within 500mb..


The thing is though, I still prefer a proper gps app with ready loaded maps.. I mean for example, in Kuala Selangor I wanted to check on my Mafia Wars, and i couldn't do it since there wasn't ANY signal there for GPRS/EDGE/3G sad.gif.. so no map downloads there ..

I really think for those of us using GPS, we should invest in one of those car holders for IPhones ...

The Belkin TuneCast FM Handsfree looks pretty good.
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post Oct 18 2009, 12:52 AM

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@tnsai,
I'm no Mafia War-ian so I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about biggrin.gif Also, as designated driver, I usually have a very good navigator with me; albeit we still depend quite a bit on Google Map; also have a proper GPS but I hated it so gave it away tongue.gif

On holders, just be careful to get one that won't scratch the sides of ur phone. Also, this isn't the right thread to discuss that. Let's just get back to Battery Drain issues smile.gif
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post Oct 20 2009, 12:58 AM

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Guys, need some advise here. I had actually done full restore twice for my phone, but still i'm having battery hogged issue. sad.gif I was thinking should I send the phone back to Maxis and for warranty or not.

After a full charged, i was about use the phone for 5hrs (include game, surfing, call, sms, check mail). Standby idle for 18hrs.. Battery left 20%.. Is that consider normal? Had gotten my phone for 1 week, and I have to charge it everyday. doh.gif

My case were:

- 3G is off (on edge all the while, fakeAPN installed)
- Wifi only on when needed
- Ipod is totally untouched (0 song, & movie synced)
- Bluetooth is off all the time
- Push is off (only check my Ping! / email whenever i on wifi connection)

P/s: Just wander, anyone send their 3Gs for warranty before? How long were it takes? And anyone have 1 to 1 exchange on the spot before?

This post has been edited by fylon: Oct 20 2009, 01:04 AM
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post Oct 20 2009, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(fylon @ Oct 20 2009, 12:58 AM)
Guys, need some advise here. I had actually done full restore twice for my phone, but still i'm having battery hogged issue. sad.gif I was thinking should I send the phone back to Maxis and for warranty or not.

After a full charged, i was about use the phone for 5hrs (include game, surfing, call, sms, check mail). Standby idle for 18hrs.. Battery left 20%.. Is that consider normal? Had gotten my phone for 1 week, and I have to charge it everyday. doh.gif

My case were:

- 3G is off (on edge all the while, fakeAPN installed)
- Wifi only on when needed
- Ipod is totally untouched (0 song, & movie synced)
- Bluetooth is off all the time
- Push is off (only check my Ping! / email whenever i on wifi connection)

P/s: Just wander, anyone send their 3Gs for warranty before? How long were it takes? And anyone have 1 to 1 exchange on the spot before?
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Thats pretty normal. Besides you're only able to use the phone around 3 to 5 hours in a single charge. No matter you're browsing or gaming because the screen size and brightness has taken its toll.
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post Oct 20 2009, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Oct 20 2009, 07:48 AM)
Thats pretty normal. Besides you're only able to use the phone around 3 to 5 hours in a single charge. No matter you're browsing or gaming because the screen size and brightness has taken its toll.
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Hi Jim.. Thanks for ya feedback! Am goin to try again today. Full charge after drained the batt to 5 percent and see how was it. Cause if there is a forumer where his phone can standby for a day ++ with around 3 hour usage.

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post Oct 20 2009, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(fylon @ Oct 20 2009, 08:33 AM)
Hi Jim.. Thanks for ya feedback! Am goin to try again today. Full charge after drained the batt to 5 percent and see how was it. Cause if there is a forumer where his phone can standby for a day ++ with around 3 hour usage.
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try follow the 'guide' from Apple

Iphone Battery

basically need turn off many things ... or may be the phone when not in use tongue.gif


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post Oct 20 2009, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ken @ Oct 20 2009, 09:59 AM)
try follow the 'guide' from Apple

Iphone Battery

basically need turn off many things ... or may be the phone when not in use  tongue.gif
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Hey bro.. Thanks for the info again. Indeed.. As u can see from my previous post, i had listed down my configuration on my phone. The phone were act in the way no push, no 3G, wifi only when need, no iPod, no video, Bluetooth is off too. GPS only on twice (the day i collect my phone and try in maxis center, and hand itch tried another at home at the same day). No email fetching as well.. Turn off auto brightness, and set it manually around 30 - 35%. No jail-brake too.. All the apps / games is legal purchased.

Im actually working in a cold environment (server room), and my phone put on the table most of them and the I believe temperature ain't be the problem of causing power loss fast.

P/s: Whats the point of turning the phone when not in use? tongue.gif Powering on the phone is the moment where the battery is been drained most.

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tnsai
post Oct 20 2009, 03:22 PM

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Just want to add guys, (but you probably already know this) when you use apps or play games(especially graphically intensive ones), your IPhone is going to use more juice.. and this is pretty much the same when it comes to any gaming hand held etc.. so don't be panicking when your IPhone battery drains a lil when you play games.. biggrin.gif
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regarding to use usb cable or not, do u guys use usb cable anytime u wish or u just wait until the battery low like 20%. i always use usb cable n afraid it will affect my battery life span.
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QUOTE(saksoba @ Oct 20 2009, 05:33 PM)
regarding to use usb cable or not, do u guys use usb cable anytime u wish or u just wait until the battery low like 20%. i always use usb cable n afraid it will affect my battery life span.
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Actually according to a battery care I read somewhere.. it is a good idea to keep lithiun ion batteries topped up as much as possible.. can't find the link or remember what it is, but I'll post it when I find it.


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post Oct 20 2009, 06:14 PM

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jz read more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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Guidelines for prolonging lithium-ion battery life

    * Lithium-ion batteries should never be depleted below their minimum voltage (2.4 to 2.8 V/cell, depending on chemistry). If a lithium-ion battery is stored with too low a charge, there is a risk that the charge will drop below the low-voltage threshold, resulting in an unrecoverable dead battery.[citation needed] Usually this does not instantly damage the battery itself but a charger or device which uses that battery, will refuse to charge a dead battery. The Battery appears to be dead or not existent because the protection circuit disables further discharging and there is zero voltage on the battery terminals.

    * Lithium-ion batteries should be kept cool. Ideally they are stored in a refrigerator.[citation needed]
    * Aging will take its toll much faster at high temperatures.[36]
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often or use a larger battery. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.

Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate. (Read more in 'Choosing the right battery for portable computing', Part Two.)

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post Oct 20 2009, 10:25 PM

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iPhone tends to runs hot during gaming or browsing. I wonder how's the heat going to last the battery lifetime.

Is advisable as what was told by Apple, discharge at least once a month not often.
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QUOTE(tnsai @ Oct 20 2009, 05:48 PM)
Actually according to a battery care I read somewhere.. it is a good idea to keep lithiun ion batteries topped up as much as possible.. can't find the link or remember what it is, but I'll post it when I find it.
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QUOTE(dinozilla @ Oct 20 2009, 06:14 PM)
Which mean, to keep fully charge battery is recommended to prevent dead battery? Correct me if i'm wrong. Cuz i always plug in suka hati. afraid battery kong. tongue.gif

BTW, thanks for the info guys.
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post Oct 21 2009, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(saksoba @ Oct 21 2009, 08:13 AM)
Which mean, to keep fully charge battery is recommended to prevent dead battery? Correct me if i'm wrong. Cuz i always plug in suka hati. afraid battery kong.  tongue.gif

BTW, thanks for the info guys.
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iPhone's battery life is based on charge cycles rather than the 'charge only when near zero' principle.
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post Oct 21 2009, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(saksoba @ Oct 21 2009, 08:13 AM)
Which mean, to keep fully charge battery is recommended to prevent dead battery? Correct me if i'm wrong. Cuz i always plug in suka hati. afraid battery kong.  tongue.gif

BTW, thanks for the info guys.
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QUOTE(teikwing @ Oct 21 2009, 08:41 AM)
iPhone's battery life is based on charge cycles rather than the 'charge only when near zero' principle.
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Llithium ion means u muz avoid both end (total empty of battery, or overcharge)
usually for overcharge, on some device, there is a safety cut that will cut off the charging once it reaches full, i not sure if iPhone has.

meaning of charge cycle: u charge full today, u used 50% at the end of day, u put to charge to full again, next day u used 50% and charge to full again. that is not 2 charge cycle, but u completed 1 charge cycle.
reaction and creation of deposit in lithium ion increased over time as u use, they do not hav memory effect.

in another word, the more u use, the faster the battery reaches it's end of life.
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post Oct 21 2009, 12:15 PM

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i thought the adapter will control overcharge or not ?
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post Oct 21 2009, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ken @ Oct 21 2009, 12:15 PM)
i thought the adapter will control overcharge or not ?
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I believe most devices these days go into trickle-charge when the battery is full etc.

The usage really is quite inconsistent and seeing the IPhone has so many apps, it is hard to give a concise number of hours of usage.

Today after 4hrs 2mins of standby and 2hours 59 mins of usage(.. listening to songs.. went on mafia wars to check using wi-fi, played 2 songs on RockBand)

My battery life is now at 84%..


The apps of course can be a big impact on battery drain, as it entirely depends on how much resources are utilized.. more cpu power = higher battery usage..
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post Oct 21 2009, 01:05 PM

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@tnsai

Nice result u have there. Btw, ur on Edge all the time? And with all the maximum power saving mode? I play around with the battery charging cycle and did a fresh restore. So far i have 63% left after 2hrs 30mins usage (3G on for around 45mins, same games, some sms & some call) and 16hrs of standby. My battery life result seems to be better now.
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You know, i read somewhere also that the peak of the lithium ion battery is reached after a few charge cycles or something.. maybe that's why or someone in a tech forum mentioned it.. not sure..

but anyway, here are a couple of sites on battery care

Battery Care 1

Battery University??? yawn.gif

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iPhone battery has 400 life cycles or less if im not mistaken yea?

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