Is it really necassary to inject hepatitis A & B?

if you want to eat all the siham (kerang) in the world then YES !

yes .. but i'm afraid of testing blood (sucks)

yes, you need to be vacinated unless for certain ppl who has natural imunisation

hepatitis B has NO CURE!

Testing blood? Hmm, why afraid woh. I have done my blood test and found out non active. So i wan to jab with Hep A n B lor.

After you kena hepatitis, your risk of liver cancer increase so dramatically... that you're almost guaranteed to get liver cancer.

Go vaccinate yourself.

I got free Hep. B vaccination from the gov for donating blood.

Will I still need Hep. A vaccination?

And still tons and tons of people still share the same dish and risk eating tainted food from infected saliva ...

Adrian what happen to you?
It's necassary like adding a monoblock LOL

Lol, no la.. jes think to vacine myself lor. Sudah tua, also takut mati la.. Anyway, doc told me about Rm150. Will get the jap in another 2 days time. Hoho

I see but the doctor will have to monitor whether you're immune to it or not.
Otherwise the jap will not take effect & bye bye RM150.00

RM150.00 can buy Dynamat

Lulz with the Dynamat...

Hepatitis A virus and hepatitis B virus doesn't belong to the same family.
So, yes, you still need hepatitis A vaccination if you wish to get immunized against hepatitis A.

Hepatitis B virus are transmitted from one to another through blood (sharing needle, blood transfusion) and body fluids (saliva, semen, vaginal discharge).
Besides vaccination, you should not share your towel, toothbrush and personal belongings that has body contact with others to prevent infection by hepatitis B virus.
Also, safe sex using condom, and be loyal to your spouse/gf.

the vaccine?

absolutely
Hep A virus - food-borne
Hep B virus - blood/body fluids ...transmission rate higher than HIV

you NEED it, esp if u working in healthcare sector
(eg. tukang cuci tandas kat hospital, nurse, doctor, even KERANI kat hospital/klinik/LAB)

unless you wanna get liver cancer someday

Google: Hepatoma

i have the same concern with TS, my recent blood test result shows that i have no immune to Hepatitis A and B.

got anyone know the cost to inject the Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B vaccine ?

How effective is the vaccination ? I heard from my doctor say , even after you take the vaccination , you not 100% immune to it. It like just 80 or 90% immune.

80% or 90% immune still better than my NON-Reactive immunity to Hepatitis A and B.

Does anyone know the best place to get your Hep.B vaccin in Kuala Lumpur (area)? Is it simply a matter of walking into a hospital and ask for a shot at the counter? Or do I have to make an appointment first (if so, where?).

What private clinics are available for the shots?

And as was asked earlier, anybody knows what the costs for a Hep.B vaccin are?

Cheers!

Ilya

Rm150 for both AB. I will be taking the jab tommorow morning.

adrian check with your doctor how effective is the vaccination . If it 80-90%, it still quite high risk . Some of my friend born with it. I share food with them sometime.

This morning go to inject liau. Will be going to take the next vaccine in 3 weeks time. Cause the 4th week i am not in Malaysia nemore.

it's either u are immune to it or not, there's no nothing in between, that's just silly.

Hepatitis B - dun play your didi too much and avoid drink arcohol start from today.

cheers

total up 3 times A+B only rm150? BP lab quote me rnm390 leh.

This post has been edited by PICAJONG: Nov 29 2009, 10:41 PM

1 jab = RM150. 3x150

let me explain to you.

Hepatitis B is sexually and blood transmission disease.
what's the problem with Hep B?
liver problem, this virus will cause liver damage, later liver cirrhosis, and some turn into liver cancer.
What's the problem when you have liver disease?
you'll become yellowish, you'll have abdominal pain, fluid start accumulate in your tummy, and it become bloated due to fluid shift into your tummy, and your immunity become very weak,
some develop things call portal hypertension where because of liver cirhosis, the circulation's pressure increase, this leads to other problem, such as oesophageal varices , where you can bleed from your esophagus, etc.

n conclusion, you wont die from the disease, but you die from the complication of liver failure, liver cirrhosis.

okie, back to the immiunization.
how can it protects you.
First, most 90% carrier in our population got it from their childhood, means from their close people, parents, or when they born...(if they are not immunized during birth)
the other 8% PROBABLY DUE TO SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED, and the rest probably due to other causes such as blood transfusion, sharing needle, etc.

If your parents are carrier, there's a chance that you might /might not get it, depends whether you're in the immunization program started in year 1985, if you're borned before that, then chances of you being Hep B carrier is higher if your parents are carrier. you should get yourself a check if you havent..

okie, next,
if you're not immunized with Hep B,
it's okie, because normal adults have adequate immunity to fight against Hep B virus, 1/10 normal adult (non immunized) will be infected with Hep B and become a carrier, while the rest 9/10 will free from the disease after infection, subsequent develop passive immunization after the infection.

Hep B Immunization.
the protection against Hep B infection depends on the immunization titre in your body. the higher antibody level in your blood, the lower risk you'll get.
generally, safe level >100 IU/L, minimum level 10IU/L
safe level protects up to 95%, while if between 10-100, u need a booster, and if less than 10IU, u need to take all 3 doses again.

in conclusion, Hep B is very prevalence in asian country...just becareful.

Hep B vaccination is essential, as once the virus start growing in the body (blood), there is still not known treatment that can 100% eliminate all of them.. U will be carrying the virus lifelong.

Hep A is optional, It do cause hepatitis, however it's OFTEN self-limited and mild, as the virus won't persist in the blood, instead it will be passed out in stool later.

And, Hep A Jab is expensive =x

Wrong.
Liver cancer for Hep B infected patient ranges from a few percent to 20%.
The exact number is not yet established.

Yes. Everyone should go for vaccination.
The only reason our government did not make this compulsory is because it is more financially sound for the government to treat those infected rather than vaccinating everyone.

True but there are some novel drugs that can be taken to suppress the virus to the point of almost curing.
The drug have to be taken for a long term though.
at least 6 months to a few years.

My dad is a Hep B carrier.
I'm vaccinated already.
Total cost of the drugs for the estimated period of time it needs to be taken runs more than RM20,000
Yes. The drug is very expensive.

So save up a little & get the vaccination.
Don't skip the 2nd or 3rd jab or you'll have to do it all over again.

No, don't submit to the fear mongering.


I rejected the vaccine after I went for blood test.


I prefer natural route, build up immunity.


I do not trust everything the doctor said.


As a matter of fact, I don't trust western medicine.

I suppose u will not regret when u are infected with Hep B & C as there is no cure for that.
& I suspect you will not look for doctors help when the disease manifest itself?

I don't trust EVERYTHING doctors said.
That is why there is a term call "second opinion"
But I do trust evidence based medicine.

When the evidence is right in front of someone, & that someone refuse to believe it, usually I just ignore that someone

Evidence is not absolute evidence. The quality of doctors nowadays are bleh.



They're so quick to wanna sell me drugs, vaccines, I sometimes wonder whether they're doing it for my own good or trying to make money off me.



Man have survived for thousands of years without a problem, without vaccination.


I am not about to ignore past wisdom/experience of ancient civilization and give up my entire self responsibility to doctors and western medicine.


Do not trust everything like a religion, and trusting doctors/western medicine entirely is no different from a man holding on his faith blindly without question.


Science can be doctored. Scientists cheat, and if a company like Bayer can still operate today, I have very good reason to question everything I was taught from school.


We must always question everything, especially things that are accepted by the mainstream.


Of course, this is not to say doctors are useless. They're very useful for patching you up for accidents, and trauma.


But when it comes to disease, I think I will take my money elsewhere. There're just too many drugs dependence nowadays.

yeah right.

Why is it so expensive? I only paid RM40 for the vaccine (1 vial) including the syringe and alcohol swab. 3 jabs cost me RM 120.

Maybe your batch is ciplak brand raised in monkey kidneys. *LOL* not as safe/clean as the more premium ones.

which clinic?
Government or private?
Private charges differently.

heheh~ ciplak? hell no~ we used recombinant DNA vaccine~
We got it directly from the hospital and injected it amongst ourselves. (I'm a medical student - we need vaccination)
Interesting price gap no?
LOL~

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 10 2009, 09:20 PM

hep A has naturally benign course-after a bout of hepatitis(inflammation of liver),it will resolve without any long term complication

hep B-for a healthy adult like you,has a low risk of progressing into chronic liver disease,liver cirrhosis and liver cancer,newborn,on the other hand almost always will suffer chronic liver disease due to hep B.But still,you need to get hep B vaccination in order to prevent u from getting infected and infecting others-hope this helps

Yup.
Those who refused to take the vaccination just because they don't want it should be considered a criminal because if they are infected, they may infect other people & may indirectly kill that person.
I do understand that some people are just short-minded

It is criminal to force vaccination on someone else too.

Try it and you end up dead.
Fortunately the world is not that way yet and people are way smarter than that.
If you worry so much just stay away from unvaccinated people, no need to force them to put stuff in their body.
It is short-minded and stupid to assume everyone wants to go around putting their bodily fluid into your ilk.
You have weird sense of logic, you seem to think other people's freedom is infringing on yours.


Just stay away from people lah, don't talk rubbish and be paranoid about unvaccinated people.

This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 04:06 AM

Unfortunately I can't do that.
In the clinic I have to wear disposable gown, double latex glove & disposable instruments. Not to mention separate autoclave for high risk patients.
That is no problem. I have enough protection.

Problem arises when I'm not wearing protection & I don't know if the patient is telling the truth of not having Hepatitis B, C or HIV.
I'm not talking rubbish.
This is proven science.
One that cannot be doctored with countless independent tests.

Paranoid is right but not unreasonable paranoia.

I'm not assuming that somebody will put their fluid on me.
That I can charge as criminal offence.
A simple sneeze or cough is enough to transmit the virus.
Don't u know that?

& how exactly can I avoid unvaccinated people?
Maybe u should start by sticking a paper written "Hep-B unvaccinated" on your forehead

& u have a weird sense of logic that u do not trust proven evidence-based science.
I don't know what is your education level nor am I to judge it, but even orang asli nowadays take vaccination.

Enough said
& as per what my friend emailed me, I will not reply to u anymore:
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You're crazy. If you're already getting the vaccines why you worry whether other people are vaccinated or not ?


Your rant is more political and religious than practical.

I think you need to go see the psychiatrist.

No amount of vaccination will save you.


You better pay more attention to your dad. He's going to end up dead like HIV carriers, because of the anti-virals.

As far as I am concerned, those who simply have sex without condom are the ones at highest risk.


So why should everyone else who is not having unprotected sex force themselves to be vaccinated if your dad, probably not intelligent enough in the first place not to screw around outside without a condom, brought it upon himself?

Why should everyone bear the burden because of a few who in the first place, couldn't give a damn about their own lifestyle?


If you don't screw around, why you need to worry about Hep-B ?


Just because you're too stupid and ignorant to take care of yourself you wanna force everyone else to do it for you at their expense.


Get real man.

This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 04:20 AM

Sorry that I still replied.
Kinda fun already
But I had to. So other people can gain knowledge from what i post.

It is clear that u do not understand how vaccination works.
Once vaccinated, we are properly protected with the antibodies.
But not 100%.
Why?
The antibody level can go down in certain diseases & conditions making even those who are already vaccinated, susceptible to the infection.
& we can't always know when the "down-time" is

What is the connection of anti-viral with Hep-carrier with death?
Don't worry. He's fine so far. No symptom manifests.

Interesting intellectual discussion albeit somewhat ridiculous

It is ridiculous because you want to criminalize unvaccinated people.


If you're so scared, please lah, lock yourself up in the house, don't mix with people.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think even wikipedia states the mode of transmission for Hep-B

Sorry for using your own word but

Read up before u talk

Let me help u & other people who may not know this yet.

wikipedia

It doesn't matter. You're still trying to force others to be vaccinated because you either lack hygiene or have lifestyle issues.


No one should be held responsible for your misfortune, period.



Stay away from people if you're so paranoid.

ok

Vaccination programs are essential in fighting the spread of infectious diseases and as preventive measure.
We couldn't have eradicated Polio and smallpox disease without the intensive vaccination efforts done in the past.

You should support the promotion of Hepatitis B vaccination instead of belittling it's importance.

I do not force my believes on others. I don't trust the doctors so I stay away from them.

But I do not lobby for doctors to be sent to the hell hole for being butchers and quacks.


Polio and smallpox is eradicated not due to vaccine but proper nutrition and clean water.



Vaccine/drugs cannot fix everything. Hygiene/nutrition is the way to go, just like what Dr Luc Montagnier has said about controlling HIV in Africa.


Not everything written in history or published in science is the truth.


We've been led to believe we're the cause of Global Warming for 30 years.


Climate Gate scandal revealed otherwise.

It's time to question science again because it has been corrupted by profiteering pharmaceuticals and corporations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4



This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 04:56 AM

+1

I guess when & if HIV vaccination arrives, these kind of people will still say.. "Well, i'm going the natural way & let me develop the immunity myself (of course by being infected by HIV..how else?)"

Which is what Dr Luc Montagnier implied and it makes sense.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4



This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 05:00 AM

wrong again.
Vaccination plays the critical role here.

Again, the simplest place to get info, wikipedia (although not always true, but in this case, the fact is correct)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

That statement is WRONG.
Man have survived... indeed they have.
Without problems? without vaccination? that is where you are wrong...

People have died by the millions due to small pox. Rabies too have killed a significant number of people in the past...
...and Polio have left countless of people crippled.... you ever heard of tetanus?.... May I suggest you an Immunology book?

Vaccination have helped to combat those diseases effectively.... you should realize that.

Nopes.

My God.... you are ignorant... I bet Edward Jenner is rolling in his grave now for such claim....

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 11 2009, 05:02 AM

Nopes, don't agree with you. History is not always accurate and truthful. Time to question all the realities and facts we've been taught.

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Added on December 11, 2009, 5:03 amWhy should he? He's already dead.

This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 05:03 AM

Sorry my internet is kinda sucky here.
The video won't load.

So the doctor meant that we should infect ourselves with HIV so we get the immunity?
If I were given a choice, I'll take the vaccine.
I suppose u should go infect yourself with HIV?

I understand how u feel bro

I bet he didn't know that he was vaccinated the moment he was born? and several more times during his childhood...
bman... I assume you are not a science student?

Probably an arts student.
I don't know.
He spends a lot of time in the musician forum.

I can't do anything about the vaccines I received as a baby but I certainly did something about the ones later when I became conscious.


I have rejected quite a few vaccines during my primary school days.



I am a science student but I turn my back on what has been taught to me because I took in another very important factor to consider.


The human greed/corruption factor, which led me to not trust 100 percent what is published in science.


What is taught to you is never 100 percent the truth.


Always question everything, the reality, and even science itself. Climategate is a huge scandal and even the media is not reporting it. I question these media of being truth tellers. Now I am convinced they're only interested in pushing a particular agenda, and not interested in truth seeking.


So now I question the science that has been drummed into me since young and I am right.

Come on, even Luc Montagnier has destroyed my foundation/understanding about HIV.

This man is the Nobel prize 2008 winner and discoverer of HIV virus.



HIV/AIDS 'religion' now being questioned.

Climate science now being questioned.

The next thing is Cancer and soon, even religion itself.


Always question everything, that's how you learn the truth.


Sorry, I do not accept the mainstream reality anymore.

It is good to question things.
I myself question a lot of things.
But u don't even seem to be looking for the answer.
Come on..u don't even know how Hep-B is transmitted.
By unprotected sex only? That is HIV (which also transmit by other ways as well)
You reject science which is proven & verified again & again, yet you don't even have a sound argument why you are objecting it.

I reject mainly because the credibility of the establishment is at stake.

I don't really have issues or care about the HEP-B problem.

People want to get vaccinated, that's their problem.


I just don't like people telling me I must take the shot or be branded as a criminal and thrown into jail.



Hep-B is a bodily fluid disease. When you practice proper hygiene and lifestyle you wouldn't have much problems with it.


Hep-B's main mode of transmission is through sex, even if you can add others but doesn't change the fact that unprotected sex is the primary way to get infected.


Whatever it is, like I said, you can take as many jab as you want. I don't give a damn. But don't try to force me, or you will be sorry. It is a very fair statement to make.

Lets just assume.
I'm a super duper hygienic person.
Wash hand everytime I touch anything.
My bath tub is filled with antimicrobial for me to soak in

One day, while I was walking in a mall still cautious not to touch anybody, suddenly a blind granny sneeze at me.
Few weeks later, I was diagnosed with Hep-B
All this while, all the hygienic procedure I follow so religiously went down the toilet.
& regret not taking the vaccine.

& wrong again.
Unprotected sex is not the main cause.
Bodily fluid especially from cough & sneeze is the main mode of transmission.
How I know this?
I'm a dentistry student. So prevention of Hep-B cross infection is very important my line of duty.
We study deeply about that.
This is not just based on lecture notes.
It is confirmed & verified by numerous studies.
Just look up google yourself.

Medical students are paranoid and brainwashed by the medical establishment and if you're so paranoid then please change your line.


Nobody is obligated to be responsible for your health. Take your forced vaccination rule elsewhere.



If you have a weak immunity, that's YOUR PROBLEM because you can't be bothered to build it up through proper nutrition.


If you are weak, and ignorant, please don't force everyone else to 'subsidize' your poor health.


It is exactly because of medical people like you that makes us distrust doctors and have no confidence and do not trust people of medical line.


You are no different from mad scientists and Nazis of the ww2 era. God complex is not welcomed in my world. Almost all doctors think they're GOD.



Your 'confirmed and verified' by 'numerous' studies is at a dispute here because they could be funded by pharmaceuticals wanting to put fear into people to buy their vaccines.


Like I said, science has now being tainted by corruption and there's no reason to have confidence and trust the medical establishment anymore.


Whatever 'confirmed' or 'facts' you have is nothing more than just man-made facts and could be disputed anytime especially since the entire reputation of science is now at stake.

yeah right.
ok.
great.
whatever.

We are paranoid and brainwashed are we? medical institutions are a joke for you are they? Tell me... Have you ever touched, examined or perhaps even seen a person suffering from tetanus? ...I guess NOT.
Without medical intervention (via vaccination) such person would have died.

You ridicule the centuries long established medical profession and institution,
I assume you go to the local sinseh/bomoh/pawang/shaman to seek treatment instead of going to the clinic/hospital?

Don't tell me you never went to see a doctor in a clinic/hospital - you would be a LIAR if you didn't.


It is obvious that you don't understand the concepts of immunity in human. Don't even pretend that you understand it... and instead you happily insulted us "medical people"?

Proper nutrition alone will NOT help against diseases, without vaccination you WILL NOT survive RABIES, TETANUS, ANTRHAX, etc.

In order for the vaccination effort in disease eradication to work, the entire community must be involved, Vaccination promotes 'herd immunity' within a community - what does that mean? Go find out yourself.

If you don't trust people in the medical line - don't go to the pharmacy/clinic/hospital and don't buy any modern drugs sold anywhere EVER - eg; don't' go the hospital if your wife is having a baby, or you dying of a heart disease, diabetes or even accidents.

I challenge you that!


Clinical manifestation: Strong belief that science and medicine is corrupted. Pharmaceutical companies are evil by producing vaccines.

Diagnosis: Delusional behavior.

ah... medical students defending their religion at their finest. 2 edges on the same blade, one whose religion is to the supernatural, the other to perceived science which is not truly natural or spiritual science but man-made corporate funded science slanted/biased towards eugenics and corporate profits.


Continue with the kool aid and delude yourself that your ilk are actually helping anyone with your drugs and vaccines.


I'll stick to nutrition and hygiene thank you. Not buying any modern drugs and no plans to see any doctor ever. I wouldn't worry about heart disease or diabetes because it's a lifestyle issue.


I've give credit to you butchers for your ability to slice and dice people up for mechanical corrections to the body but when it comes to diseases, please play far far away.


You're not god, never will be and you have no right to impose your believes on others or criminalize others who don't agree with your allopathic quackery.

Antipsychotic drugs can help him right?
oh wait..he's delusional & don't want drugs & are paranoid of doctors = only witch doctor can help

hehe..we'll see how long u last.
Why human lifespan have keep increasing over the decades?
Medicine, doctors etc.
Yes lifestyle affects our lifespan.
But who determines what lifestyle is good or bad?
Doctors, researchers, graduates, students etc
Without them doing the studies & research you so delusionally paranoid about, we will never know.

I'll last much longer than those who eat whatever the crap they like and then depend on the doctors when they're in trouble, popping drugs and pills and injecting toxic chemo drugs for their so called 'cancers'.



Those who embrace mainstream knowledge blindly without question are as equally delusional themselves.


After all, they're smarter than Dr Luc Montagnier the nobel Prize winner who said it himself, natural immunity is very important, right ?








http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/natu...-best-_822.html

Natural alternatives: Does your doctor know best?

By Alexandra Romlewski
Sometimes it feels like I am drifting through life, just accepting what anyone says and not bothering to question why. For example, when you catch a virus and go to the clinic, the doctor prescribes you a drug to take. Do you ask about the drug, or do you blindly trust that this stranger knows what is best for you? Have you ever tried asking a doctor about alternative cures – not just traditional drugs, but natural solutions? I have. They get this dumbstruck look on their face and then reply that they simply don't know of any natural cures for your ailment.

It makes me wonder if the drug companies have bought all of our doctors, or brainwashed them, and have proceeded to brainwash us to accept the mindset of a “miracle drug” for every type of sickness, even if it doesn't work. How many people with cancer have benefited from radiation therapy? And at what cost? Do they have any life left in them after the treatment? Their hair is gone and their faces are pale. This is supposed to make the cancer go away – if you can survive the treatment. What about all the recalls on drugs like Vioxx that cause heart problems to an extent that the company would lose millions of dollars and their credibility to recall the drug. It makes me wonder what they put in that stuff.

Why is it in science that we aren’t cautious about things that seem too good to be true? In relationships, if things are going too well, our instincts take over and we wait and prepare for some sort of disaster. But if a scientist has made it and the FDA approves, then it has to be safe. They would never do something for their own benefit that could harm the public. It might not affect you now but maybe in a few years when those headaches won’t go away. Alas the cycle will continue. You go to the doctor and get a prescription for the miracle drug that you have now become dependent on.

If you have read this far I suspect you might be thinking, “It can't possibly be that bad.” or even worse, “There are other people working on problems like these.” Prove me wrong. Next time you visit your doctor, ask questions. Perform an all out interrogation if you want. You have the right to.

Technically you are paying a small portion of his salary (supplemented by perks from the drug companies). Ask for alternate cures, vitamins, and daily habits you need to change. Remember that they are your advisor, not your boss. Also, next time you go grocery shopping, look up what junk is on the ingredients list. You may be surprised at how many of those ingredients you can't even pronounce, let alone explain.

It’s time to stop letting people make decisions for us and start taking responsibility for ourselves and our own well-being. Do not be afraid to question things. Don’t just accept everything you hear to be true. Not everyone out there is on your side. Most just want to make an extra buck or don’t have a clue as to what they are talking about. If everyone started doing this don’t you think there would be some drastic changes? Change for the better starts with just one person. Now let me ask, is that person going to be you?

This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 04:33 PM

http://www.articlesbase.com/medicine-artic...-ii-881138.html

In Part I I describe how from the moment they enter medical school, our future doctors are systematically ‘educated’ by the pharmaceutical industry in coercive and often unethical ways. In Part II I will discuss how after medical school this pattern of ‘uni-polar’ information with no objective watchdog takes the corruption of the medical profession even further. Without a doubt, doctors today have become little more than highly paid drug salesmen for the major pharmaceutical industry.

Once a medical student has finished his externship and enters private practice the real ‘brainwashing’ begins by the pharmaceutical companies. To begin with, they quickly learn as young doctors that they must attend several conventions each year in order to take continuing education classes necessary to keep their license in good standing. These conventions are sponsored and paid for in large part by pharmaceutical companies.

Often the travel and hotel and food expenses are all paid for by the pharmaceutical companies. Once the doctors are there the companies have a captive audience to systematically ‘educate’ about their new drugs and how they are the latest and greatest things to hit the medical establishment. Staff ‘doctors’ on the payroll of the pharmaceutical companies lecture on the benefits of the drugs and no word is ever mentioned about non-drug treatment options. All around the hotel colorful signs promoting the new drugs are hung. Toys, gifts, knick knacks, pens, calendars, calculators…you name it and the pharma companies give them out.

Lavish buffets and meals are provided to the doctors as they are presented with the latest and greatest treatments for numerous ailments running the gamut from minor to the life threatening. All the while, not a word is mentioned anywhere about alternative or non-drug treatments for any of the conditions. Is it no wonder most doctors don’t mention to their patients that often times the best approach is just to eat healthy, exercise or some other ‘common sense’ treatment? But wait, it doesn’t end at the convention.

Once back at the office, an army of attractive pharmaceutical reps descend on doctor’s offices in a coordinated attack to further convince the doctors to prescribe their drugs to the patients. The first ones are always free. Huge boxes of samples are given, but once on the drugs many people can’t get off because of the addictive or bad withdrawal symptoms of the drugs. The pharmaceutical reps come bearing free lunches and lavish food trays. They are trained to memorize ‘scripts’ that can answer any and all possible questions that the doctors might have about the drugs that are being ‘pushed’.

Of course none of these pharmaceutical reps have any medical training. Many were cosmetologists, waitresses and secretaries only weeks or months before their intensive ‘training’ to become pharmaceutical reps. Meanwhile, the doctors eat it up. They know that if they give out the drugs then the free meals will continue to come and the free trips and conventions to exotic resorts in the Bahamas, Las Vegas or the Poconos will continue.

Most doctors are hopelessly naïve how all this pandering by the drug companies influences their ability to practice medicine impartially. The result are patients being all too often told that the treatment for whatever ails them is to take a pill to treat the symptom and they are not being taught to fix the source of the problem which quite often will not end up giving $$$ to the drug companies. That’s no accident. That’s by design. The result of our Doctors being brainwashed. To see more great information and to catch Part I of this article visit www.sedatednation.com.

I don't eat whatever crap i want.
I control my diet properly.
I love eating eggs but I try not to order then when eating outside as most fried rice already contains 1 egg.

When the unfortunate time came, I take the drugs necessary & visit doctor when in need.
U said doctors thinks they are god. I think, u think yourself as god as u can control EVERYTHING in your life to avoid diseases.
I don't think I can control everything as many things are not yet known or established.
So I take all the precautions including vaccination to avoid diseases (including proper diet & lifestyle)

i don't know what Dr Luc Montagnier said but you seem to be obsessed with him (as much as u might call me obsessed with proven verified indisputable science)

I never said artificially acquired immunity is better than naturally acquired ones.
But your pea sized brain refuses to believe that we CANNOT get natural immunity from certain viruses.

In Hep-B case, many can. But some cannot.
Many people are infected, naturally (without them even knowing) cured & naturally acquired the immunization.
Some people, when infected, the virus manage to continue to proliferate.

I'm thankful that this post contains some information that may increase other people knowledge. Not just talking trash without base & proof.
I challenge u. For whatever science, research & studies done that u object & think they are doctored, PROVE it.
Then I'll swallow back my own words & shoot my lecturers in between their eyes.

http://www.articlesbase.com/medicine-artic...ne-1566914.html


Why Doctors Can't Practice Good Medicine
Posted: Dec 10th, 2009 | Comments: 0 | Views: 2 |

Bette Dowdell

Arizona, where I live, is a standard-of-care state–as are many others, although that’s kind of a secret that you have to discover on your own.

Let me describe in a nutshell what this means: Patients get one-size-fits-all treatment, whether it works or not.

Big Pharma muscles its way onto State Medical Boards. Once there, they use that significant power to shut down real medicine. If healing happens, it’s an accident.

The Board sets standards for each medical condition, which sounds hopeful. However, the standards are intended to minimize costs and guarantee legal protection to doctors no matter what happens to patients.

For instance, the standard of care for thyroid is the TSH test, ignoring the fact this test is perhaps the premier example of unreliability, and treatment with Synthroid or a generic equivalent. Synthroid doesn’t work for the vast majority of us. That’s bad enough, but it causes an allergic reaction in lots of folks. So the TSH test is bogus, the only medicine allowed doesn’t help and may harm, your hair continues to fall out, your brain continues to be consumed in a pea-soup fog and life loses all its joy. But the standard of care has been met.

And standard-of-care State Medical Boards don’t approve of the adrenal saliva test, although it’s accurate while their preferred bloods tests are pointless. So adrenal problems remain unaddressed and untreated, wreaking all sorts of health havoc. If your adrenals are suffering, so are you–in spades.

And it’s not just about thyroid (et al) problems. State Boards decree normal cholesterol levels are too high and insist doctors prescribe statin drugs to lower them–although cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease and statins are a disaster, with serious side effect upon serious side effect. And for nothing. Research says statins save less than one life per twenty years of patient suffering and expense.

And on and on. Standard-of-care means inferior care.

And your doctor can’t do anything outside the very limited bounds of standard-of-care without risking his/her medical license. A doctor I admire said she fears the State Medical Board above everything.

Want more? If you refuse to do as you’re told, the doctor’s supposed to dismiss you as a patient.

Arizona has a doctor shortage, at least in part because doctors are leaving. They want to practice medicine in a state that still allows them to use their knowledge and skills to treat patients. Those states are few and far between.

Because of the Arizona State Medical Board, I’ve lost some doctors, and I’ve made others crazy by my unwillingness to ride with the tide. I recognize the doctor’s dilemma, but, golly gee whiz, I”m not about to live half a life.

Fortunately, my years of study give me a huge edge in self-care. So I try to break doctors in with the idea of being a coach. I’ll study, I’ll experiment on myself and I’ll tell them all about it–if, and I have to be really diplomatic about this part–they’ll cough up a prescription for natural, desiccated thyroid as needed.

This asks a lot of the doctor. Although desiccated thyroid has proved its worth again and again–for more than a century now–standard-of-care disapproves of it. Strongly. Why? As usual, follow the money.

So, if your doctor shows little flexibility or initiative, it may be that he’s dying inside, but he has a family and many thousands of dollars in student loans, so he can’t risk his license. Military doctors lose everything by prescribing a decent thyroid medication.

So this is where we are. And, no, we’re not having fun yet. But if enough people make enough noise, we can get things changed. But we’ll have to make a whole lot of noise. A little chirp here and there won’t get the job done.

So, there you are, dragging your patooty through life while your doctor keeps insisting you’re fine. What’s that about? You know for a fact that you’re not fine, but what to do?. Bette Dowdell writes and talks about just what you’re going through. She tells you about all the health enemies in our world today–and you’ll be amazed–and what you need to do to help yourself–which isn’t complicated once somebody explains it. Subscribe to Bette’s free, weekly health e-zine at http://TooPoopedToParticipate.com and get the information you need. Why drag through life when you don’t have to? Bette’s years of research got her out of the pits; now let her help you

So u read up online from unknown sources & believe it?
How do i know someone did not pay the website to post that article?
How about I submit an article to that website about my view. Will u believe that too?
Find study papers, research or whatever verifiable by independent party.

If u say studies that are verified may be doctored.
I say the internet article may be doctored x2

http://www.articlesbase.com/health-article...nts-856887.html

The Brainwashing Of Our Medical Students
Posted: Apr 8th, 2009 | Comments: 0 | Views: 21 |

The family doctor has traditionally been a reliable figure that parents and children alike could trust for good judgment and to oversee their family’s healthcare. Most people just assume that the education and training that doctors undergo assures them that they use the best of their judgment and that the health practices and drugs administered to patients are the unquestioned latest and correct advice.

Unfortunately, this belief in the family doctor is in many ways a misperception. In many instances doctor’s judgment has been compromised by the overwhelming one-sided education they are being given by the giant pharmaceutical conglomerates. The result is unnecessary medication use, poor outcomes and sometimes dangerous results for patients all to satisfy the drug company’s insatiable need to make a buck and keep their stock price up.

From the day your doctor enters medical school his view of the world of medicine is shaped in large part by pharmaceutical companies. Most major teaching hospitals and university medical programs are heavily subsidized by pharmaceutical companies. Tens of millions in grants are given each year for research studies and scholarships to keep medical schools filled. The medical textbooks given to the students and much of the literature and reading material is provided free of charge to medical students and are written by or paid for by drug companies. Is it any wonder then that the first course of treatment for many ailments has been to take a pharmaceutical product?

The first rule of medicine is supposed to be ‘first do no harm’. But in many cases this is not being followed. Instead of medical students being trained on healthy non-pharmaceutical ways to treat common ailments, they are instead taught that drugs are the ‘first line’ of treatment. This not only exposes patient to unnecessary possible side effects from the medications but also causes them and their health insurance company to spend money needlessly.

Of course the pharmaceutical companies prefer this as it means more money for them. Courses in medical school that encourage alternative therapy or even such staples as good diet and exercise are discouraged and instead a ‘treat the symptom not the cause’ ethos has prevailed in large part due to the insidious influence of drug companies. How does this happen?

Nearly every major professor at well known medical schools is given grant money from drug companies. If a professor or academic publishes a paper that is critical of the pharmaceutical practices then they simply are ‘looked over’ and skipped when it comes time for their grants to be renewed. Those who ‘tow the line’ are rewarded with trips to conferences and lavish grants to study yet another new drug.

These professors then get to publish their work in medical journals which are…you guessed it…paid for by the pharmaceutical company. The university likes professors that publish as it is good PR for the university. Published articles are also one of the mandatory linchpins in many universities determinations of professors gaining tenure and pay raises. A vicious cycle then emerges where you have drug companies using this system to promote those professors and researchers that ‘favor’ using pharmaceuticals and those that disagree are simply dropped…first from the grants…then from the publishing…and eventually from the university.

By the time a young med school student graduates and enters his internship at a hospital he has been taught that for most ailments he is likely to see, drugs are the first and best way to treat them. It only gets worse from there. Make sure you stop by www.sedatednation.com and see how a young doctor is even further ‘influenced’ by drug companies once they enter private practice.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027705_chemotherapy_fraud.html

Cancer profiteering? New chemo drug costs $30,000 a month

(NaturalNews) Big Pharma's pill pushers and natural remedy skeptics are always trying to drill one idea into your brain: "Natural remedies are a ripoff!" they say. "And they aren't even proven to work!"

In response to those skeptics, allow me to introduce a new cancer treatment drug called Folotyn, made by a small drug company named Allos Therapeutics. It costs $30,000 a month. That's a thousand dollars a day, mathematically speaking.

But here's the best part: Folotyn has never been proven to save lives. That's the complaint about natural remedies from conventional medicine pushers, and it reveals the contradiction in their criticism: When natural remedies aren't proven to work, they call them "quackery." But when their $30,000-a-month medicines aren't proven to work, they don't have any problem with that. Take your medicine and stop asking questions! Who needs scientific proof when they're already so sure they're right?

Folotyn has been proven, by the way, to shrink tumors by 27%. Of course, you can accomplish the same thing with vitamin D, spirulina, green tee, medicinal mushrooms and other anti-cancer nutritional therapies. Even if you went all-out and bought a huge collection of anti-cancer supplements and started taking them aggressively, you'd be hard pressed to consume more than $2,000 worth of product in a single month. That's a $28,000 savings over Folotyn, and the best part is that all those supplements would boost your brain health, heart health, liver health, kidney health and immune health at the same time.

Or, you could just exercise outdoors, getting both vitamin D and exercise for free, saving you $30,000 a month while healing your own cancer. (It also helps to give up all the cancer-causing chemicals in your foods, personal care products, home cleaning products and medicines.)

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather save the $30,000 and just heal the cancer myself. That might be good advice for you and me, but it would spell financial disaster for the cancer industry.

A thousand dollars a day to poison yourself
Reading this news about this $1,000-a-day cancer drug makes me laugh, because lots of people still complain about the cost of a $19 book on cancer cures, or a $20 bottle of superfoods that contains anti-cancer medicine. Somehow, any amount of money seems justifiable for conventional medicine, but even the smallest investments in personal nutrition or wellbeing are met with a lot of resistance.

I remember talking with a couple at an acupuncture clinic a few years back. They were complaining about the price of the $75 acupuncture treatments for infertility. When I asked them what they had tried before, they told me they had spent something like $20,000 on an infertility clinic, with no success. Wow! And $75 is expensive?

Now, if a legitimate cancer cure really was offered by conventional medicine (and it never will be, because such a cure would destroy their business model), it might be worth $30,000 or more. Heck, a one-time cure might be worth a million dollars, but don't hold your breath on that one... no chemical cure is forthcoming.

Not from the world of conventional medicine, anyway. The only cures that exist today are from the realm of natural medicine, where cancer is routinely cured by patients who heal themselves with the help of natural cancer clinics all around the world. And at those cancer clinics, the entire treatment is usually far less than $30,000.

Of course, if you really want to poison yourself while paying somebody $1,000 a day, this high-priced chemotherapy agent might be just what you're looking for. But you can chug wheatgrass shots for less than ten bucks a day and probably get just as much tumor shrinkage -- at 1/100th the cost!

Draining you bank account before you die
Conventional cancer treatments are a ripoff. They cost you a fortune and they don't even work. No one has ever been cured by cancer from chemotherapy. Not a single person... ever! There isn't a single documented case anywhere in the medical literature claiming that a person was cured of cancer from chemotherapy. So why do people still fall for the chemo scam?

The answer: Because they're desperate. They're dying, and they're willing to pay anything for hope, even if it's a false hope thrust upon them by their oncologist. It is in this context that these cancer drug companies charge $10,000 a month, $20,000 a month or even now $30,000 a month to treat you with their "breakthrough" cancer drugs.

The purpose of all this isn't to cure your cancer: It's to drain your bank account before you die, extracting every last dollar of your savings and retirement money before you expire. No one out-quacks the cancer industry in terms of exploiting the fears of dying elderly patients.

If this were done in the financial industry, it would be called a swindle. If an investment con man targeted sick, elderly people, promising some miraculous result if they just paid him $30,000 a month, he'd be arrested and locked up as a purveyor of financial fraud. But when the cancer industry perpetrates the same fraud on our nation's elderly, they get away with it! No one questions the fraud. No one realizes the industry is based on fraudulent marketing and fraudulent science combined with a huge financial con that convinces sick, elderly patients to part with their life's savings in exchange for some high-tech quackery that will never save them.

Part of the reason this con continues, I think, is because the victims of it don't live very long. Dead men don't talk, and dead cancer patients don't file complaints with the Better Business Bureau.

Did u know that my friend owns this website?

& he make a lot of money from Google adsense links which people like u clicks.
He doesn't actually believe in this BS.
But whatever makes money, he doesn't care

http://www.naturalnews.com/027558_mammogra...r_industry.html

Cancer industry abandons science to keep pushing mammograms that harm women

(NaturalNews) The cancer industry has blatantly abandoned science these past two weeks by insisting women under 50 should receive annual mammograms even though the industry's own scientific task force concluded that such screenings result in too many false positives. Essentially, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force took a good, hard look at the science and concluded that mammograms harm far more women than they help (for women under 50, anyway). But when they announced the new recommendations that women under 50 should avoid mammograms -- and women over 50 should only get them every other year -- the cancer industry cried foul.

Radiologists, oncologists, Big Pharma pill-pushers and cancer industry non-profits all banded together to declare, "We are abandoning the science! We want more mammograms for more women, science be damned!"

Of course, they all still claim to be "scientific," but what they really do is selectively cherry-pick which bits and pieces of the scientific evidence they choose to adhere to. And when it comes to these new mammogram recommendations, they've decided to simply abandon the science and keep pushing more radiation imaging tests for women (mammography).

The cancer industry is a complete failure
What you are witnessing here, folks, is the desperate last gasps of a failed industry. Their technologies do not save lives, their drugs do not cure cancer, and their "science" doesn't add up. The cancer industry is a fraud, and now its fraudulent nature is finally becoming apparent to everyone. It even has the mainstream media (USA Today) describing the failures of mammography in articles like the one you'll see here: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health...

Here's something else you need to know: The cancer industry hasn't merely abandoned science in terms of mammography; it has also abandoned all science with the pushing of chemotherapy. Did you know there has never been a randomized, placebo-controlled study proving that chemotherapy saves the lives of breast cancer patients?

That evidence doesn't exist. The whole "treatment" scam is based entirely on fiction. Chemotherapy only works at all against three rare types of cancer, and breast cancer isn't one of them.

In defending the new mammography guidelines, Dr. Timothy Wilt, a member of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, said that the task force recommendations "were based on the most rigorous peer review of up-to-date, accurate information about the evidence about the harms and benefits of treatment."

He repeated that women under 50 should never receive mammograms, and women 50 or over should only receive a mammogram every two years.

The American Cancer Society, quite predictably, has a real problem with that recommendation. Its entire success (and power) depends on more people getting cancer, and one of the best ways to make sure that happens is to keep pushing for more mammograms. In opposing the new mammography recommendations, the ACS has now abandoned science, too.

Chemotherapy: The chemical holocaust
When cancer doctors tell you that "chemotherapy will save your life," they are lying to you. And they lie thousands of times a day, deceptively recruiting women into modern medicine's version of a chemical holocaust.

The cancer industry offers no cures. A cure for cancer would destroy the industry. It would wipe out billions of dollars in profits that drug companies, radiologists and oncologists are counting on right now. This is precisely why the cancer industry dares not tell women the truth about vitamin D, for example, which prevents 77% of all cancers, including breast cancer.

If every woman in America were given vitamin D supplements, cancer rates would plummet by up to 77% in a single year, and the cancer industry would virtually collapse. That cannot be allowed to happen, of course, which is precisely why the industry has a complete blackout on vitamin D information while pushing hard for annual mammograms that continue to cause cancer (and generate repeat business).

The U.S. government has abandoned science, too
Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, has told women to ignore the new mammography advice by the U.S. government task force. But she has zero scientific evidence to back up her advice. She, like everyone else pushing mammograms, is engaged in pure quackery.

I find this particularly fascinating, given that the cancer industry claims people who are offering cancer cures are "quacks." Such cures aren't based on rock-solid science, they claim! But when the rock-solid science says mammograms are dangerous for women, the cancer industry abandons the science! That's why they are the new quacks.

Here's a simple prediction: In twenty years, mammograms will have been long since abandoned. Doctors of that era will look back at 2009 and wonder how this so-called "modern" medical industry could have been so deeply invested in such a dangerous, cancer-causing technology called mammography. They will scratch their heads and ask, "Why didn't they heed the science that said mammography is dangerous?" They'll write about "how medically illiterate the people were in 2009" because they voluntarily inserted their body parts into irradiation machines.

The fact is that people of every era are suckers for apparent medical authority. Patients tend to believe doctors because they mistakenly think doctors know what they're talking about. But conventional doctors are technicians, not healers. They understand the detailed of how to administer poisons, but they have no clue how to activate the body's innate healing potential.

Doctors tend to be very intelligent individuals, but even they cannot understand things they've never been taught, and medical school is focused almost entirely on a drugs-and-surgery approach to medicine (slash and burn).

To expect a conventional doctor to be good at healing is like expecting your accountant to be good at ballet.

Doctors may be smart, but they're ignorant about healing. And for the most part, they're nutritionally illiterate, which is why cancer doctors still don't recommend vitamin D. (Astonishing, but true.)

So why, then, would patients who are interested in healing their bodies go see medical professionals who are experts in the administration of poison? It makes no sense. But that's what insurance covers, so they keep doing it. And they keep dying of cancer, an almost entirely preventable disease with cures that exist right now but will never be publicized because too much profit depends on keeping people sick.

Mammograms are the insurance of the cancer industry. As long as mammogram machines keep running, there will always be more cancer to diagnose -- because the machines are making cancer!

http://www.naturalnews.com/027582_Merck_Vioxx.html

Merck's Vioxx scandal widens: Drug maker knew Vioxx was deadly for years before risk was made public (opinion)


(NaturalNews) The Vioxx scandal widened this week as new research published in the Archives of Internal Medicine reveals that Vioxx maker Merck held data for three years that proved Vioxx caused an alarming increase in the risk of heart attacks and strokes. And yet Merck chose not to release that data. In fact, it took three more years of patients dying from heart attacks before Vioxx was pulled off the market, and even then, Merck insisted the drug was not dangerous.

This new study was based on a meta-analysis of several unpublished studies that Merck obviously didn't want to see published in medical journals. Drug companies routinely engage in this subterfuge: They cherry-pick which studies they want published while burying the rest. They also choose which studies to forward to the FDA, all while claiming the whole charade is based on "evidence-based medicine."

It is, sort of. If you add the word "selective" in front of the phrase, making it: "Selective evidence-based medicine."

So how were the authors of this new study able to find these unpublished studies that Merck would much prefer remained hidden? They were disclosed in court proceedings against Merck. So many people were harmed by Vioxx, you see, that some of them decided to sue. And in that legal process, many "secret" studies were revealed. Some smart-minded researchers decided to analyze the data in those studies and that's what reveals Merck knew Vioxx raised the risk of heart-related side effects by 35 percent and yet did nothing to warn the public about those risks.

In essence, these documents prove that Merck knowingly and maliciously allowed a deadly drug to continue to be sold to patients for years. It's a clear case of profits before patients from a drug company mired in one scandal after another. (Merck is also the maker of Gardasil, the cervical cancer vaccine.)

In its defense, Merck says its own scientists couldn't find any link between Vioxx and heart attack deaths. Understandably, it's difficult to find anything when your profits depend on not finding it.

The Merck conspiracy
Now that this data is public, it reveals that Merck's executives and / or employees were engaged in a conspiracy to withhold important drug safety data from the public and the FDA. The aim of this conspiracy was simple: To maximize profits through the sale of a product they knew was killing people.

Of course, only the naive are surprised to hear this. Informed NaturalNews readers already know this is the default behavior of drug companies. They'll do anything to make a buck, including fabricating clinical trial data, withholding important evidence, misrepresenting their drugs in television ads and lobbying lawmakers to make their drugs mandatory. The idea that they would knowingly sell a deadly drug to the general public -- while sitting on data for years that proved the drug was dangerous -- isn't really surprising. Not once you know how the pharmaceutical industry really works, anyway.

Many people (and many states) are fed up with the criminal behavior of drug companies. Nearly 10,000 individuals filed personal injury lawsuits against Merck over the Vioxx scandal. Most were settled for $4.85 billion in 2007, but many lawsuits remain. Eleven states' Attorneys General have also filed lawsuits against Merck, alleging the company committed fraud in its marketing of the drug to state Medicaid programs. Those lawsuits have yet to be resolved.

More legal action against Merck is no doubt on the way, as the company has engaged in questionable marketing practices spanning many different drugs (not just Vioxx). Drug companies like Merck have operated in the shadows for years, hiding data they knew would be damaging to their profits. These actions no doubt resulted in the needless deaths of tens of thousands of health consumers who would likely be alive today if this hidden data had been made public in 2001 when it was first known by Merck.

Merck's actions fit the legal definition of "negligent homicide." By withholding this important information, Merck indirectly caused the deaths of thousands of people. And yet somehow Merck's executives and employees are literally "getting away with murder" as there are no efforts under way to prosecute these people for their crimes.

I have to ask the obvious question: Why aren't Merck's executives being arrested and hauled off to prison for prosecution? If this were a Wall Street scandal, you'd see the head honchos in handcuffs, paraded on videos blasted across the evening news. But when it comes to pharmaceuticals, it's just business as usual. No one is held accountable. All those dead Americans essentially have their graves spit on by the failed justice system in this country that allows murderous corporations to continue killing more people with their deadly products.

The reason for all this is simple: America values money more than it values lives. When peoples' investments are destroyed, that's a crime. But when peoples' lives are destroyed by a dangerous pharmaceutical product, that's nobody's fault. Accountability is non-existent.

It sure puts America's priorities into perspective, doesn't it? Public safety has been all but abandoned by the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry -- an industry ruled by nothing other than the almighty dollar. And yet, here's something that puts it all into yet more perspective: According to Congressional testimony about Vioxx from drug safety experts, Vioxx alone killed more Americans than the entire Vietnam War.

Is that something worth investigating for potential prosecution? If you value human life, then yes, absolutely. So why do Merck's executives all seem to be immune to the law? Why is the Department of Justice too timid to go after one of the most dangerous organizations in the country that has killed many times more Americans than all terrorists combined?

Why isn't Merck on the FBI's "America's Most Wanted" list?

And why do the American people tolerate such corporate behavior on their own soil? Is killing people with chemicals any less serious than killing people with bullets? Imagine the public outcry if a car company sold a defective vehicle that resulted in the deaths of more than 60,000 people... that would be shocking headline news. But when it comes to pharmaceutical deaths, the people remain strangely silent.

And the reason? There's no video footage of people dying. Pharmaceutical deaths are silent, whimpering deaths. No fiery crashes. No flying body parts. No explosions to splash across the evening news. Just millions of people being individually and chemically snuffed out, all around the world, after taking patented prescription drugs sold by companies that lied to them about their safety.

You said this person is your friend then you backstab him here accusing him of being a lying money grubber.


Is he your FRIEND or enemy that you need to 'expose' him this way ?


This very much shows your integrity/character, so I call your bluff.

LOL
Of course my friends didn't own it.
I can't really make friend with people like that.

My point is, the fact that Google adsense links are there is enough to show that the article are there just merely for the money.
U said those verified studies are doctored & sponsored by giant companies (which u can't prove).
I say the article is sponsored by Google Adsense (which obviously right in front of your eyes)

Make up your mind, I just quoted you admitting he's your friend and you accused him of being a BS money grubber, it's there.


Now you backtrack and changed your mind.


So there's a few conclusions

1. He's really your friend, but you chose to backtrack to protect him, so in short, you're protecting a 'quack' and therefore you're not a truthful med student/future doctor, willing ever to protect people like these, and this means you don't really believe in what you claim to believe in either, the so called mainstream medicine/science.


2. He's not your friend, you lied, you wanted to discredit him.



Oh btw, google adsense is not like it's a crime. Someone's got to pay for the website. Nobody does anything for free.


If doctors are willing to treat patients for free including giving out medicine for free, be sure to list them here.

haha

Looks like someone's busted for lying...




let's say He's NOT your friend, then by that own 2nd admission of yours, you have no right or clue to say how much money he's making, so you're just making things up to discredit him.


Let's say if he's really your friend, then it is your duty to expose him if you sincerely believe in your own version of reality vs his reality.


He's done his research and quotes from known sources, all linked from his articles from science journals AND official news. You may consider him your friend but I have no guarantees he considers you to be his, for all you know he may just be telling you what you want to hear to get you off his back.


So come on, make up your mind, which is which ?


haha BUSTED!

I give up..
I am sooo busted..

It's ok, you're forgiven. But I won't be responsible if this friend of yours, aka Mike Adams the health ranger, sees this thread and files legal action against you.