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SUSbman
post Dec 11 2009, 04:10 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 11 2009, 04:04 AM)
Unfortunately I can't do that.
In the clinic I have to wear disposable gown, double latex glove & disposable instruments. Not to mention separate autoclave for high risk patients.
That is no problem. I have enough protection.

Problem arises when I'm not wearing protection & I don't know if the patient is telling the truth of not having Hepatitis B, C or HIV.
I'm not talking rubbish.
This is proven science.
One that cannot be doctored with countless independent tests.

Paranoid is right but not unreasonable paranoia.

I'm not assuming that somebody will put their fluid on me.
That I can charge as criminal offence.
A simple sneeze or cough is enough to transmit the virus.
Don't u know that?

& how exactly can I avoid unvaccinated people?
Maybe u should start by sticking a paper written "Hep-B unvaccinated" on your forehead

& u have a weird sense of logic that u do not trust proven evidence-based science.
I don't know what is your education level nor am I to judge it, but even orang asli nowadays take vaccination.

Enough said
& as per what my friend emailed me, I will not reply to u anymore:
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You're crazy. If you're already getting the vaccines why you worry whether other people are vaccinated or not ?


Your rant is more political and religious than practical.

I think you need to go see the psychiatrist.

No amount of vaccination will save you.


You better pay more attention to your dad. He's going to end up dead like HIV carriers, because of the anti-virals.

As far as I am concerned, those who simply have sex without condom are the ones at highest risk.


So why should everyone else who is not having unprotected sex force themselves to be vaccinated if your dad, probably not intelligent enough in the first place not to screw around outside without a condom, brought it upon himself?

Why should everyone bear the burden because of a few who in the first place, couldn't give a damn about their own lifestyle?


If you don't screw around, why you need to worry about Hep-B ?


Just because you're too stupid and ignorant to take care of yourself you wanna force everyone else to do it for you at their expense.


Get real man.

This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 04:20 AM
caerulln
post Dec 11 2009, 04:22 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 11 2009, 04:10 AM)
You're crazy. If you're already getting the vaccines why you worry whether other people are vaccinated or not ?
Your rant is more political and religious than practical.

I think you need to go see the psychiatrist.

No amount of vaccination will save you.
You better pay more attention to your dad. He's going to end up dead like HIV carriers, because of the anti-virals.
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Sorry that I still replied.
Kinda fun already laugh.gif
But I had to. So other people can gain knowledge from what i post.

It is clear that u do not understand how vaccination works.
Once vaccinated, we are properly protected with the antibodies.
But not 100%.
Why?
The antibody level can go down in certain diseases & conditions making even those who are already vaccinated, susceptible to the infection.
& we can't always know when the "down-time" is

What is the connection of anti-viral with Hep-carrier with death?
Don't worry. He's fine so far. No symptom manifests.

Interesting intellectual discussion albeit somewhat ridiculous laugh.gif
SUSbman
post Dec 11 2009, 04:23 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 11 2009, 04:22 AM)
Sorry that I still replied.
Kinda fun already laugh.gif
But I had to. So other people can gain knowledge from what i post.

It is clear that u do not understand how vaccination works.
Once vaccinated, we are properly protected with the antibodies.
But not 100%.
Why?
The antibody level can go down in certain diseases & conditions making even those who are already vaccinated, susceptible to the infection.
& we can't always know when the "down-time" is

What is the connection of anti-viral with Hep-carrier with death?
Don't worry. He's fine so far. No symptom manifests.

Interesting intellectual discussion albeit somewhat ridiculous laugh.gif
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It is ridiculous because you want to criminalize unvaccinated people.


If you're so scared, please lah, lock yourself up in the house, don't mix with people.


caerulln
post Dec 11 2009, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 11 2009, 04:10 AM)

As far as I am concerned, those who simply have sex without condom are the ones at highest risk.
So why should everyone else who is not having unprotected sex force themselves to be vaccinated if your dad, probably not intelligent enough in the first place not to screw around outside without a condom, brought it upon himself?

Why should everyone bear the burden because of a few  who in the first place, couldn't give a damn about their own lifestyle?
If you don't screw around, why you need to worry about Hep-B ?
Just because you're too stupid and ignorant to take care of yourself you wanna force everyone else to do it for you at their expense.
Get real man.
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I think even wikipedia states the mode of transmission for Hep-B

Sorry for using your own word but
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caerulln
post Dec 11 2009, 04:29 AM

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Let me help u & other people who may not know this yet.

wikipedia
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Transmission
Transmission of hepatitis B virus results from exposure to infectious blood or body fluids containing blood. Possible forms of transmission include (but are not limited to) unprotected sexual contact, blood transfusions, re-use of contaminated needles & syringes, and vertical transmission from mother to child during childbirth. Without intervention, a mother who is positive for HBsAg confers a 20% risk of passing the infection to her offspring at the time of birth. This risk is as high as 90% if the mother is also positive for HBeAg. HBV can be transmitted between family members within households, possibly by contact of nonintact skin or mucous membrane with secretions or saliva containing HBV.[22][23] However, at least 30% of reported hepatitis B among adults cannot be associated with an identifiable risk factor.


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post Dec 11 2009, 04:42 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 11 2009, 04:29 AM)
Let me help u & other people who may not know this yet.

wikipedia
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It doesn't matter. You're still trying to force others to be vaccinated because you either lack hygiene or have lifestyle issues.


No one should be held responsible for your misfortune, period.



Stay away from people if you're so paranoid.



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post Dec 11 2009, 04:48 AM

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CyberSetan
post Dec 11 2009, 04:50 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 11 2009, 04:42 AM)
It doesn't matter. You're still trying to force others to be vaccinated because you either lack hygiene or have lifestyle issues.
No one should be held responsible for your misfortune, period.
Stay away from people if you're so paranoid.
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Vaccination programs are essential in fighting the spread of infectious diseases and as preventive measure.
We couldn't have eradicated Polio and smallpox disease without the intensive vaccination efforts done in the past.

You should support the promotion of Hepatitis B vaccination instead of belittling it's importance.
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post Dec 11 2009, 04:54 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 04:50 AM)
Vaccination programs are essential in fighting the spread of infectious diseases and as preventive measure.
We couldn't have eradicated Polio and smallpox disease without the intensive vaccination efforts done in the past.

You should support the promotion of Hepatitis B vaccination instead of belittling it's importance.
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I do not force my believes on others. I don't trust the doctors so I stay away from them.

But I do not lobby for doctors to be sent to the hell hole for being butchers and quacks.


Polio and smallpox is eradicated not due to vaccine but proper nutrition and clean water.



Vaccine/drugs cannot fix everything. Hygiene/nutrition is the way to go, just like what Dr Luc Montagnier has said about controlling HIV in Africa.


Not everything written in history or published in science is the truth.


We've been led to believe we're the cause of Global Warming for 30 years.


Climate Gate scandal revealed otherwise.

It's time to question science again because it has been corrupted by profiteering pharmaceuticals and corporations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4



This post has been edited by bman: Dec 11 2009, 04:56 AM
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post Dec 11 2009, 04:56 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 04:50 AM)
Vaccination programs are essential in fighting the spread of infectious diseases and as preventive measure.
We couldn't have eradicated Polio and smallpox disease without the intensive vaccination efforts done in the past.

You should support the promotion of Hepatitis B vaccination instead of belittling it's importance.
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+1

I guess when & if HIV vaccination arrives, these kind of people will still say.. "Well, i'm going the natural way & let me develop the immunity myself (of course by being infected by HIV..how else?)" laugh.gif
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post Dec 11 2009, 04:59 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 11 2009, 04:56 AM)
+1

I guess when & if HIV vaccination arrives, these kind of people will still say.. "Well, i'm going the natural way & let me develop the immunity myself (of course by being infected by HIV..how else?)" laugh.gif
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Which is what Dr Luc Montagnier implied and it makes sense. rolleyes.gif



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4



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post Dec 11 2009, 04:59 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 11 2009, 04:54 AM)
I do not force my believes on others. I don't trust the doctors so I stay away from them.

But I do not lobby for doctors to be sent to the hell hole for being butchers and quacks.
Polio and smallpox is eradicated not due to vaccine but proper nutrition and clean water.
Vaccine/drugs cannot fix everything. Hygiene/nutrition is the way to go, just like what Dr Luc Montagnier has said about controlling HIV in Africa.
Not everything written in history or published in science is the truth.
We've been led to believe we're the cause of Global Warming for 30 years.
Climate Gate scandal revealed otherwise.

It's time to question science again because it has been corrupted by profiteering pharmaceuticals and corporations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4


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wrong again.
Vaccination plays the critical role here.

Again, the simplest place to get info, wikipedia (although not always true, but in this case, the fact is correct)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
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post Dec 11 2009, 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 10 2009, 08:07 PM)

Man have survived for thousands of years without a problem, without vaccination.

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That statement is WRONG.
Man have survived... indeed they have.
Without problems? without vaccination? that is where you are wrong...

People have died by the millions due to small pox. Rabies too have killed a significant number of people in the past...
...and Polio have left countless of people crippled.... you ever heard of tetanus?.... May I suggest you an Immunology book?

Vaccination have helped to combat those diseases effectively.... you should realize that.
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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 11 2009, 04:59 AM)
wrong again.
Vaccination plays the critical role here.

Again, the simplest place to get info, wikipedia (although not always true, but in this case, the fact is correct)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
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Nopes.
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post Dec 11 2009, 05:02 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 11 2009, 04:54 AM)
Polio and smallpox is eradicated not due to vaccine but proper nutrition and clean water.
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My God.... you are ignorant... I bet Edward Jenner is rolling in his grave now for such claim....

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post Dec 11 2009, 05:03 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 05:00 AM)
That statement is WRONG.
Man have survived... indeed they have.
Without problems? without vaccination? that is where you are wrong...

People have died by the millions due to small pox. Rabies too have killed a significant number of people in the past...
...and Polio have left countless of people crippled.... you ever heard of tetanus?.... May I suggest you an Immunology book?

Vaccination have helped to combat those diseases effectively.... you should realize that.
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Nopes, don't agree with you. History is not always accurate and truthful. Time to question all the realities and facts we've been taught.


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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 05:02 AM)
My God.... you are ignorant... I bet Edward Jenner is rolling in his grave now for such claim....
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Why should he? He's already dead. cool2.gif

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post Dec 11 2009, 05:04 AM

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QUOTE(bman @ Dec 11 2009, 04:59 AM)
Which is what Dr Luc Montagnier implied and it makes sense.  rolleyes.gif
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Sorry my internet is kinda sucky here.
The video won't load.

So the doctor meant that we should infect ourselves with HIV so we get the immunity?
If I were given a choice, I'll take the vaccine.
I suppose u should go infect yourself with HIV?

QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 05:02 AM)
My God.... you are ignorant... I bet Edward Jenner is rolling in his grave now for such claim....
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I understand how u feel bro sweat.gif
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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 11 2009, 05:04 AM)
Sorry my internet is kinda sucky here.
The video won't load.

So the doctor meant that we should infect ourselves with HIV so we get the immunity?
If I were given a choice, I'll take the vaccine.
I suppose u should go infect yourself with HIV?
I understand how u feel bro sweat.gif
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I bet he didn't know that he was vaccinated the moment he was born? and several more times during his childhood...
bman... I assume you are not a science student?
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post Dec 11 2009, 05:13 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 05:09 AM)
I bet he didn't know that he was vaccinated the moment he was born? and several more times during his childhood...
bman... I assume you are not a science student?
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Probably an arts student.
I don't know.
He spends a lot of time in the musician forum.
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post Dec 11 2009, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 11 2009, 05:09 AM)
I bet he didn't know that he was vaccinated the moment he was born? and several more times during his childhood...
bman... I assume you are not a science student?
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I can't do anything about the vaccines I received as a baby but I certainly did something about the ones later when I became conscious.


I have rejected quite a few vaccines during my primary school days.



I am a science student but I turn my back on what has been taught to me because I took in another very important factor to consider.


The human greed/corruption factor, which led me to not trust 100 percent what is published in science.


What is taught to you is never 100 percent the truth.


Always question everything, the reality, and even science itself. Climategate is a huge scandal and even the media is not reporting it. I question these media of being truth tellers. Now I am convinced they're only interested in pushing a particular agenda, and not interested in truth seeking.


So now I question the science that has been drummed into me since young and I am right.

Come on, even Luc Montagnier has destroyed my foundation/understanding about HIV.

This man is the Nobel prize 2008 winner and discoverer of HIV virus.



HIV/AIDS 'religion' now being questioned.

Climate science now being questioned.

The next thing is Cancer and soon, even religion itself.


Always question everything, that's how you learn the truth.


Sorry, I do not accept the mainstream reality anymore.





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