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Biology Human Cloning, Creation of a genetically identical copy

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Shadow Kun
post Jun 29 2009, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jun 27 2009, 11:26 PM)
If we can upload our mind into a new cloned bodies when we die, then we will have achive inmortality, this is the greater achivement of the human cloning process in my view, but there will be to many moral and religious question on this, even if the technical process can be perfect.

if you can live forever does it devalue the meaning of life? this is the question that will be hard to answer. or a even more interesting one is if you clone yourself and there is two you, are the two the same person, what happen to your property right, do you guys now have share ownership of everything you have?
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i don't think we could achieve immortality by "uploading our mind" into new bodies. imo, even if we can recreate our mind in another form, like digitally for example, it wouldn't really be ours, it's merely a copy of our memory while our true consciousness will always bound to our self. when we die, our consciousness ends there. the copied memory will be another version of our consciousness once transferred to another body, unnoticeable to the clone, but our own original self (the consciousness) stay dead and won't be transferred to the other body. in other word, it's not a continuous process.

even if the clones retains the memory of the original person, i don't think we should think of him as the same person as the original.
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post Jun 29 2009, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 29 2009, 03:33 PM)
speaking non-scifi, how do  we even "copy" memories onto a clone? as far as my understanding goes about cloning, the cloned human's life and therefore experience and knowledge begins when it is conceived by the host (a woman). it may turn out to be a completely different "human" than the original as it grows and develops. aside from implementing a device which stores memory digitally and somehow finding a way to synchronize the device and the brain, transferring "memory" will not work.

cloning a human whose thinking and actions mirror the original is completely sci-fi. humans are as much affected by nature as well as nurture in their growth.
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i mean just that.

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post Jul 1 2009, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jul 1 2009, 03:35 AM)
one more thing. say memory and knowledge can somehow be transferred by some stroke of genius.

1. original human clones himself at age 50 and dies. the question is - when is a suitable time to transfer the original's memory to the clone? 10 years? 20 years? that is, of course if the human brain can even take that sort of amount of information,

if say memory were transferred to the clone at 20 years of age. wont the original "time travel" to 20 years in the future? and 20 years is a long time if u ask me...it would be pretty scary.
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err i dunno. depends on what your intention for the transfer i think. anyways notice that in my first post that you quoted, i was speaking on "even if" basis as a reply to robertngo regarding his idea of achieving immortality by preserving memories in clones. all of that is still sci-fi in today's context. also i think he speak of cloning as reproducing the exact copy of the body at time of cloning, not creating a baby clone from the DNA that needs to be grown to adulthood so the issue of when to transfer the memory doesn't exist. you just transfer them instantly after death of the original. again, it's still sci-fi in today's context.
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post Jul 1 2009, 12:48 PM

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another way to explain it.


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post Jul 1 2009, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 1 2009, 01:57 PM)
It is just sci-fic.

You cannot clone a 'blank body' without a brain or blank brain, which in order/wait for transferring 'you' into it.

If the cloned body has brain (let label as B), then it has its own thinking aka as B personnel, not "you".

The more realistic sci-fic to 'transfer into another body or clone', is through sterm cell which develop organ for you to replace one by one, which is more realistic/futuristic discussion.
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hmm..
agreed.
but the only weakness is, you still can't replace your brain with a new one. laugh.gif
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post Jul 2 2009, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jul 2 2009, 02:14 AM)
very impossible. cloning an exact copy of a human just liek that is sci-fi by today's standards
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QUOTE(Shadow Kun @ Jul 1 2009, 10:00 AM)
err i dunno. depends on what your intention for the transfer i think. anyways notice that in my first post that you quoted, i was speaking on "even if" basis as a reply to robertngo regarding his idea of achieving immortality by preserving memories in clones. all of that is still sci-fi in today's context. also i think he speak of cloning as reproducing the exact copy of the body at time of cloning, not creating a baby clone from the DNA that needs to be grown to adulthood so the issue of when to transfer the memory doesn't exist. you just transfer them instantly after death of the original. again, it's still sci-fi in today's context.
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