LATEST UPDATE LIST

* Major Update (25/10/2015): JOHARI MANSOR THROWN IN PRISON FOR SIX YEARS FOR CHEATING

Refer here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3754747


* Latest updates can be found at the last pages of this thread.

* Minor Update - Quick Links added to News articles about JOHARI MANSOR for all to see:

- NEWS COMPILATION 1 (CLICK)
- NEWS COMPILATION 2 (CLICK)


*03/1/2011 - - Article and claim from victims taken from Harian Metro and other sources, added. See Here for this update - PENGAKUAN PESAKIT YANG DITIPU (CLICK HERE)

*22/1/2011 - JOHARI MANSOR have been arrested by the police again, he has been sent to prison in Johor. See here - (CLICK HERE)

*29/11/2010 - Updated with another victim's case (SWEETALIA) - Go to the Last page to read or click here: (CLICK HERE)

Introduction

What is Quackery - ? Click here to find out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery


[MEDICAL SCAM] Pusat Rawatan Keraton


(thanks to anonymous for this picture)

I dont know weather I'm a "slowpoke" or not but this fake and misleading "Professor Dato' Dr Raden Johari Mansor" has to be exposed fast for the sake of Malaysians.

This guy performs his miraculous "surgeries" and "diagnosis" that appears to be real to many people but those who are in the modern medical profession knows that this is an obvious scam.



Please review the followings carefully and comment:


His background information





(Picture of him and his wife parading as SULTAN/ROYALTIES)



The following videos are among some of his promotional videos that claims to show "miraculous surgery by divine intervention from God":


Introduction and Biodata of JOHARI MANSOR








His "Brain surgery":



compare it a REAL brain surgery (below):



- things to ponder while watching these videos: anatomy, anesthesia, aseptic technique, respiratory support, sterile condition, surgical equipments, etc~

- In this introduction video, The biodata mentioned that this person has VAST EXPERIENCE in MODERN MEDICAL PRACTICE.


I quote from the biodata:

"Prof. Dato' Dr.Johari Mansor Al-Haj berpengalaman luas di-bidang perubatan moden dan alternatif serta juga pensyarah di-institusi Pengajian Tinggi Republik Indonesia dalam bidang Tauhid Ma'rifatullah"

- if he really has a medical doctor qualification, he FAILS even the basics miserably. A medical doctor MUST NOT allow any risk of contamination into the surgical site, he doesn't even wear a face mask, he even BLEW AIR (along with all the microbes in his mouth) into the operated organ. If he had studied medical microbiology, he wouldn't have done that.

- Look at the surgical equipments, a shaving razor and a pair of paper scissors...


His "surgeries" vol.2:



















- No pain and not even a scar????
- How did he managed to take out a heart without even opening the thorax?? and how the hell did he maintain the blood circulation in the patient with the heart outside of her body?

Blood circulation must be maintained with a heart-lung machine:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart-lung_machine

- Notice how SMALL the heart is ??

This guy hides behind religion and claims to be able to perform miracles... and those blinded by faith alone without even bothering to study the scientific basis of this fell prey to this scammer...

Compare it with a REAL cardiothoracic and abdominal surgery:








PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON'S WEBSITE: http://pusatrawatankeraton.com/ (for some unexplained reason - this website has been taken down)


Address:







I Quote from one of his fanatic supporter's blog:

"I received a comment from a Doctor Ahmad Farouk Musa, from the School of Health and Medical Sciences, Monash University lambasting me as one who has a Stone Age mentality for believing in modern day miracles and libeling me as wanting to drag you my readers back to the so called Dark Ages by sharing with you here about these amazing miracle healings being carried out by unconventional Islamic Spiritual Healings of Professor Dato Dr.Raden Johari Mansur of the Pusat Rawatan Keraton, based at Sentul Raya Boulevard, Kuala Lumpur!" - Mahaguru58


"He (the "Prof") says that the charges for operations at the Pusat Rawatan Keraton is RM3000+ for above navel areas of the body and RM2000+ for areas below it."



He disgusts me and he is an insult to modern medical sciences~!






Added on 21/6/2012 - Also - the following are the warnings given by the MINISTRY OF HEALTH (in Malay):








Additional info, JOHARI MANSOR is also the founder of SENI SILAT GERAK KILAT:






To EVERYONE in MALAYSIA, PLEASE DONT FALL PREY TO THIS CHEAT - GO REPORT HIM TO MMC AND THE POLICE~!! Get this SwiNDLER OUT oF MaLAYSIA~!!

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Oct 25 2015, 02:03 AM

Im pretty sure you can skip your masters if youre a first class honours.

This post has been edited by Ilianas_Toy: Jun 21 2009, 10:23 AM

The microbes he blew into the patients body are divine microbes mah, which is the miracle that help the patient to heal .

shaving razors and papper scissors? he practically brings in a pencil case everytime he's going to operate on someone! so what did he use to stitch up the open abdomen? UHU glue? stapler?

It doesn't work that way for a medical graduate. Masters in Surgery is a professional qualification.

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Added on June 21, 2009, 5:08 pmthe patients will divinely be dead then~

anyhow, seriously this fraudster needs to be sent to jail for cheating the sick and dying out of their hard-earned money. Just imagine if it was you who were "treated/swindled" by him... how would you feel?

please spread this news to other ppl. lets hope they wont fall prey to this parasite.


This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 21 2009, 05:08 PM

anyway, i know his methods are ridiculous... but what about the outcomes? if there's a lot of success with no mortality, then it's hard to convince people that he's just a fraud...

He "successfully" interviewed those patients immediately after his "surgery" for promotional factor. What did they say? No pain? No Scar? Feels a lot better? (ever heard of Placebo effect?)

I am eager to see any of his "treated" cancer patient come forth and be examined by an oncologist and I want the specimens (tumour, fibroids, tissues) that he "apparently" taken out of such patient to be examined by a pathologist to determine if those are even of human origin.

Putting up an elaborate show to impress the common people into believing he actually did a "surgery" on the patient is what a fraudster like him does.

Painless surgery? of course its painless if this fraudster didn't even cut the patient open.

I believe this fraudster cut opened an animal or parts of an animal (goat, cow, etc) that was put on top of the patient during his "surgery" and removed whatever organ that he thinks is "diseased". (ever wonder why he didn't expose a larger area of the incision site to the camera?)

I did made a remark on the size of the "patient's heart" previously, an adult human heart is way bigger than that and it is supposed to be beating if its freshly removed from the thoracic cavity. In order to remove a human heart, the blood circulation MUST be maintained otherwise the body will die.

Since the patient was "anesthetized" by whatever chemical he used on the patient, the patient wont be feeling anything on the surgical site or whatever that was put on the patient's body.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 14 2009, 04:30 AM

i've seen a cardiothoracic surgery up-close... and his surgery is nothing like it! no cardiopulmonary bypass, no heart-lung machine, no electric saw, no anesthesia. his surgery is more similar to a butcher slicing off pieces of meat at the market.. some of the few things i noticed in video 2 is that...
1. the makcik's chest is a bit higher than the normal anatomical position... so i'm guessing he put something on top of her chest before covering it with cloth..
2. there's no way u can take out the heart from the chest without using a saw to cut through the ribs...
3. u're right about the heart size too... it is somewhat smaller than a normal human heart...

but the video seems pretty real if u've never seen an actual open heart surgery... he's pretty good, can be the next david copperfield...

This post has been edited by danny_sp15: Jun 21 2009, 09:53 PM

In the first place, have your reported to the authorities already, TS?

I'm in India now. You guys can go directly the police station, esp those in JB and KL (his pusat rawatans are there). Will you help?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 22 2009, 09:46 AM

Ts, was this scam published in the papers?

I believe the scam by this person has yet to be published by any newspaper. The Pusat perubatan Cakra Alam Scam has been exposed previously by both newspapers and TV3, this scam is yet to follow:

The Cakra Alam Scam






TV3 Exposes Cakra Alam Scam



The disappearing paper trick (Flash paper/nitrocellulose)

The cakra alam swindler used this trick too,



This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 22 2009, 10:41 AM

this is ridiculous!!

It is very unfortunate that many people were deceived by this "religious man". Any TRUE medical doctor or even a medical student can easily prove that he is a fraud with absolutely no knowledge of human anatomy and surgery.

and another thing, he claims to have received his MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery) from Universitas Islam Sumatra, since when Indonesian universities produce MBBS degree? they DONT.

Curse him for using religion to cheat people.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 14 2009, 06:20 AM

it make me LOL watching the so call operation.. cut open the patient using shaving blade, cutting away so call tumor using table scissor.. the blood didn even flow, the blood is more like cream like suggesting it is from a dead body is it? opening skull using hammer and blade? lol seeing tis.. then use the blade to dig out the tumor.. even more laughable.. the heart surgery.. so small meh the heart.. a normal human being heart is as big as his/her palm.. yet the s cal doc.. can take it out play with it.. cutting tis and tat... lol

u can always write an email to raise this issue up to the higher authority.

email add: admin@mmc.gov.

tis is very serius case

F***er should be ashamed of himself! He is making the rest of the medical community look bad!

I found some profound similarities between this scammer's "surgical" techniques to that of "psychic surgery" practitioners/scammers' techniques, with some alterations.

See for yourselves~

Google "Psychic surgery" and watch the following videos and do
a comparison:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBvdcy_Mi34




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOq1zssejgI




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roCounjrXf8


...and here is a PARODY of psychic surgery by Jim Carrey :



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy53Un2AXpU

*in the above clip, Jim Carrey acts as person dying of cancer and resorted to psychic surgery for a cure. It is taken from the film: MAN ON THE MOON

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Added on July 4, 2009, 3:38 amIndeed it is.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 20 2010, 01:24 AM

your post has been highlighted here.

http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7371

This is indeed a serious case. Thanks for sharing.

dude this is an alternative medicine.. theres no way to compare with modern medicine..

im muslim and im a medical student.. i know and saw myself a lot of these so called "miracle doctors".. they are not as simple as what u think..

especially if u're a muslim u should know there are a lot of "miracle" stuff that are unexplainable regarding medication.. something we believe, a faith..

most modern medicine only able to slow down the progression of the disease.. they cant stop and fully cure the disease..

but there are plenty of people who went to these kind of alternative medicine, whether islam way, chinese or etc etc had cured.. diabetic foot for example.. in modern medication, the doctors will ask to amputate it..
but some alternative practitioners they can reverse the changes and cure the "dead" foot..

its hard to explain because it is all about faith and how badly u want the disease to be cure..
plus im lacking in knowledge about alternative medication either

whether u want to choose it or u dont.. its all up to you..

if u dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it

This post has been edited by hyperx: Jul 5 2009, 03:11 PM

You, a claimed-medical student, a student of science, of all people... I would very much like to know where you are studying medicine?

You haven't read the entire argument and watch the entire video clips did you?

What medical student would believe in such practice? I have related this matter to my fellow colleagues and lecturers - They all came with the same conclusion:

- ITS A SCAM -
(go brush up on your anatomy and surgery subjects - if you are a medical student)

Ever heard of Evidence-based medicine and evidence-based treatment? It is the very basic foundation of medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_practice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_medicine

Alternative medicine is where most "Quacks" come from.

This so called PROFESSOR DATO DR RADEN JOHARI MANSOR is NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL more over just look at his "SURGERIES" and compare them with a REAL SURGERY.

Understand that none of the "surgeries" that he performed is real. What did he do?


-Opening the skull with a hammer and a shaving razor, knocking the patient's head with a hammer and plucking the so-called tumor out just like that from the brain.

-Performing a cardiothoracic surgery without even opening the thoracic cavity and taking out the "patient's" heart that is not even the proper size and not even beating? No maintenance of systemic nor pulmonary circulation.

-The patient hardly bleeds? moreover even awake during the entire "procedure"?

-Diagnosing a patient using a spray of unknown liquid? and immediately says that the patient has fibroid?

-No scar, no suturing of the wound, no anesthesia, even the patient's eye is "taped" during the entire "surgery"?

-Conducting a "one-man show" surgery without the proper surgical instruments much less sterility of his "operating theater".


again I ask you, How could you trust this person?


I dare this scammer to perform his "surgery" in front of a panel of surgeons and provide the "tumours, tissues, organs" that he allegedly took out to be examined a pathologist.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 5 2009, 06:58 PM

The first video is amazing. How did he do that?

Remind me to never send any sick people your way if you somehow finish your medical degree.

a friend of mine, his brother had knee surgery done at private hosp b4.. but the doctor accidentally left their i-couldnt-remember-orthopedic-tool inside his leg.. this happened 4-5 years back.

they did scan and they found theres metal inside there..

their family very angry because the doctor want to open back his leg..

they went to malacca to find this man.. we called him ustaz.

he never charged their family anything, basically its free service.. up to the people how much or what they want to give him

he did his "surgery" basically with just moving his fingers and hands.. like somekind of superpower stuff u see on tv.. the patient is awake.. didnt feel anything..

this part really messed up our mind.. especially if youre not a believers and didnto see yourself, me myself its hard to believe either, i did laugh 2gether with my friend when i saw his way of doing surgery...

after 2 hours he did his "surgery", he asked the patient to go back, rest and theres some food he was not allowed to eat or drink for weeks..

after a month, he went to hospital.. did x-ray, the metal is gone.. im speechless

theres no more pain, theres no new scar, theres nothing...

and yeah, i followed my friend to that place in malacca.. i swa it myseld..

so its up to u if u wanna believe it.. i gain nothing from u

but let me ask u, how do you explain that?
there are plenty of modern medicine practitioners out there who also sometimes referred their patient to their well-known alternative medicine practitioners..

i know its hard for modern and alternative to co-exist.. modern are evidence-based.. and alternative usually for believers.. but why couldnt we open up our mind a bit? be outside the box?

i mean theres no harm to take the good aspect of the alternative medicine (when theres proven safe and cure) and combine it with modern practise

and to angrydog, fine, its your decision.. btw, i scored good marks in my exams and my case discussion (short or long case) usually end up with very well from my doctors.. and i didnt come from any crappy medical school..

Sounds like bullshit to me. Natural healing, placebo effect can account for much of so called "miracle cures"
As for the metal plate that is heresay bullshit until investigated by a reliable independent party. Someone is reading his XRays wrong here.

An update:

http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7390

Thanks to Palmdoc~

Lets see if MOH responds.

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Added on July 31, 2009, 6:38 amIt has been almost a month, and MOH has not responded to the report I made.
This is just pathetic.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 31 2009, 06:38 AM

this is utter bullshit..seriously, there are no such things! geez, it's not about faith or believing..and all this is just a hearsay, did u go with your friend's brother to the doctor to actually hear him saying that the metal is gone? it's like asking us to believe that someone can actually take out something from our body without us feeling it or any open surgeries?well if it's true then i'm sorry to say, it's worse than aliens invading our planet!

Another quote from one of the uploaded clips, it states:


"This is the rest of the video showing Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansur's miraculous surgeries using just his Faith in Allah and the Islamic Spiritual Healing that has a conventional doctor accusing me of wanting to lead Muslims back to the Stone Age by believing in such healing methods?

I am just asking Dr.Ahmad Farouk Musa to try and explain how does this Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansur perform such amazing open surgeries without any life support systems and modern day operation theater's advanced sophisticated equipments and instruments that we see in inflated costs specialist medical hospitals today?

Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari operates using very basic knifes and scissors that one would find in one's kitchens and the patient is not put under anesthesia?

After surgery, within minutes or hours, the patient is up and about with no visible scars of the surgery! I wish Dr Ahmad would be able to explain that instead of childishly calling me names alike an ignorant peasant instead of being a true blue academic as he identifies himself as? I await a proper reply from the doctor. "

- Mahaguru58

As you all can see, the supporter (Mahaguru58) of this Quack Surgeon don't even realize that he himself is cheated by this so called "Islamic Miracle Healer/surgeon".

Dr.Ahmad Farouk Musa (of Monash School of Medicine, Malaysia) doesn't need to explain anything to such person who obviously failed to see logic. (please read the comment area in the link below for further clarification)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...n&ct=clnk&gl=in

(what am i talking about? click it)


http://www.med.monash.edu.my/About-Us/Dr.-...arouk-Musa.html

I have provided the most likely method that this quack surgeon operates his scam in the first page of this thread.

I am a Muslim myself and I certainly will not blindly follow/believe in such "miracles". God has given us brains in order for us to be able to think logically.

This guy (Mahaguru58) has certainly failed to use it.

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Added on August 21, 2009, 10:56 pm




Indeed it is unfortunate that this Hyperx, one that claims to be a medical student, believed in such things without even trying to make an effort to understand the logic behind them.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 9 2010, 07:50 AM

even i am not a medical student or any related in medical field...

i agreed on what other forummers saying that he is faking...

how could a person wont die when the heart is taken out? and it does not has any beating...? and he trims it like "trimming" some kind of flowers??

heart sized as i known it will be as big as our palm as asked my grandma..she was a nurse with KL Goverment Hospital during her days..she went into operating theater

thousand of times to assist the doctors in the surgery..

and the mak cik looks like have a bit stomach uh? dont u notice her stomach is way bigger than normal?? i mean izzit he put something on her?

y he keep pulling the surgery cloth every now & then? i've noticed that in the video...



i wonder did he sanitize the scissors? using a razor blade to take out a tumor? and the tumor the way he "cucuk" like cucuk fishball??...


i believe no matter how mireacle is it..i think there is no such way as this video...he shud video b4 he cover the patient with the cloth and after covering..and also perform it

in a goverment hospital with qualified surgeon...

Here is another video of his "surgery", the patient is having her kidney tumour "removed"....



Medical students/Doctors/Surgeons - see how this fraud simply removed the "tumour" from the "kidney", that is not even the right way to approach the kidney.


and another thing, since he is not bothered by sterility of his "operating theater", why bother covering the surgical site to the camera? and furthermore why did he cover it up as if not allowing a better view for the camera?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 14 2009, 03:35 AM

still no action from authority ?

Alas.... No.

The following news PROVES that HE IS NOT a REGISTERED MEDICAL DOCTOR, he was charged for the possession of controlled medicines.

A registered medical doctor is allowed to posses controlled medicines/poisons for his practice. Johari Mansor obviously is NOT one of them.

Here is an interesting news about Johari Mansor, I quote from the Daily Express (Sabah-based newspaper):


- Published on: Wednesday, October 03, 2007, Daily Express

Source: http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=53096



To Mahaguru58 and other fanatic supporter of Johari Mansor..

Open your EYES and MIND. Think Logically to the evidences put forth to you.

Don't let BLIND FAITH cloud your judgment.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 16 2009, 06:21 AM

Thanks for the highlight...are you a doctor as well, Topic Starter..

and any of the videos posted in your post freaked me out...Haha

I guess I am not good when come to see a blood and live operation.

LOLs at surgery with only gloves without even surgical gowns!

diagnosed to have fibroid in the ovary???(in the 1st video) never heard of that before...

do proof it scientifically or GTFO.

free bump to let more people know about this scam.

thanks TS for sharing

yeahhh agree wit hyperx!

if u all dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it. i didnt say i believe it and neither i dont believe it unless i experienced myself.

u cannot stop what others think because we people have our own opinion and no one is dead after the operation so far.

heyy y dont u go to sentul or johor (where pusat rawatan kraton is located) and experience urself either it is fake or not n after that u can tell and evaluate urself. s far s i know he allows people who wants to take a video and this is especially for people who dont believe in such miracle like this. Our Agong Sultan Zainal Abidin himself acknowledge him as his private doctor and even giv him title 'Tan Sri' as many of you would not know.

well me s a Muslim believes miracle do happen and not us who can heal the disease but we just sort of medium between us and God that heal the disease with His permission.

Firstly...

The REASON for "hoo-haa"-ing about this matter is to EDUCATE/WARN the public as to NOT TO FALL PREY to this so-called "MIRACLE SURGERY" which is something I believe you don't give a damn about.

I believe in EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE, unless this Johari Mansor can reproduce his cure using his methods on other patients under the observation and documentation of TRUE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, he is just another swindler preying on the sick and dying using ISLAM as his cover....

Just look at PUSAT RAWATAN CAKRA ALAM... with that self-proclaimed "Ustaz" Arief, a charlatan, a swindler, that uses the term "PERUBATAN ISLAM" as a cover for his scam.



God have given both you and hyperx brain to use, to think LOGICALLY as to what and how such "MIRACLE SURGERY" could have been done. How could one be DEAD when the SURGERY is not even real?

I have even put forth the points as to support my arguments in the previous pages. Can you not think? How come many other people are able to see this and not both of you?

I may not be able to FULLY STOP other peoples' belief regarding this "PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON" but I have laid down the foundation for them to re-consider/re-think about their stand in this matter.

You mentioned that Johari Mansor was awarded the title "Tan Sri" and a private doctor of Sultan Zainal Abidin? Provide proof of this !

I am a Muslim as well, but again, I have to stress that I do not BLINDLY believe in something such as this~!!



Again I have to state the following regarding JOHARI MANSOR unless you have missed them:




1. HE IS NOT A SURGEON/MEDICAL DOCTOR , PRACTICING ANY FORM OF SURGERY WITHOUT PROPER LICENSE AND QUALIFICATION IS AGAINST THE LAW. (HE IS NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL)

2. HE CLAIMS TO BE A PROFESSOR, A DATO' AND A MEDICAL DOCTOR.

3. HE WAS CONVICTED FOR POSSESSING CONTROLLED MEDICINE IS SABAH. (Which proves he IS NOT a registered Medical Doctor)

4. HE PRACTICES FAKE SURGERY WHICH IS EVIDENT FROM THE VIDEO CLIPS. (Browse through the previous arguments as to why I said this)

..... have I not repeated this previously? Please read through the entire thread....

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jan 19 2010, 09:52 AM

but normally people with chronic diseases are willing to try anything...

Very true.If someone is going to die I'm sure he's going to try any options available including stuffs like these.

Anyway,2000$-3000$ is quite expensive for some scissors and shaving razors.
I'd say,they must be made from one hell of a metal . What are they, Jupiter brand Jupiterium?

Seriously, its really disappointing that he uses Islam as a cover, and very disappointing also to those Muslims who believe blindly to anything. I'm a medical student and also a Muslim, yes, we pray for our patients to heal, but we also HAVE to do necessary things to help them heal. Basically, we can't just rely on blind faith, we also NEED science. Its really sad that some Malaysians are still too narrow-minded, and very gullible to believe anything under the name of religion. We also need knowledge and science to develop ourselves.

and yes, the videos look fake as hell, any medical students/doctors or even nurses can recognize that. Its just unbelievable how gullible some people are,

Ovarian fibroid??!!!

im not a medical practitioner
but i can tell u this surgery is totally fake..
i do believe in miracles..
theres something u cant rely on logics..
you will know it when u experiencing it by yourself..
maybe he can really cure the others by his own method
again..maybe...we cant tell how he could do that
but those video is a fake surgery..
please examine the tissues..
bet u he wont let u do that..

my lecturer..n engineer from india..
do believe in supernatural beings after been here for a year..

if u take a look at his hospital's webpage.. the list of patient's name there are even weird.. urgghh..

I for one, am not gonna believe either TS or the 'scammer' until I have seen proves.

I'm not gonna believe TS because you're in India, if you have not seen this supposedly scammer yourself, get some evidence that he is in fact, scamming people, witness the surgery yourself with every move be analyzed, then you can't argue that he wasn't even doing the surgery to the patient. You can however argue that yes, he was just using simple tools, un-sterilized, he didn't care about proper hygiene and all that medical requirements before surgery.

I'm also not gonna believe in this healer person either because yes, it does look a bit too good to be true.. I've seen/heard miracle stories and I've seen people miraculously heal using alternative healing that even doctors are baffled and science can't explain it but without proves again, it's just a story, which could be made up. Plus with no proper accreditation, no news about him at all (I've not heard of him until I read this thread) then he's just nothing. Based on the videos posted on youtube, it kinda supports the claim that he didn't do the surgery, but replaced them with animal parts or something.. which I found extremely suspicious. Plus the patient didn't feel pain, no scars etc He performed the surgery, removing tumors as if it's too easy, something that can be done by a 3 year old. If he's doing miracle, it would be all over the news right now.

I hope those with tumors who did the surgery, come forward with previous scans of the tumor, and scan after they did the surgery, WITH the support from at least 2 different doctors and testimonial that the tumor is in fact, gone after the surgery.

I wouldn't be quick with judging people. He could be a scam, but he could also be real. God can give 'powers' to whoever he wishes to, but there are some who misuse the name 'Islam' and scam people for the sake of money. If he's really a scam, he will be exposed.

This post has been edited by tokyotenshi: Feb 27 2010, 09:58 AM

Well, just to revive this topic. It seems that he is, still in operation. The law enforcers still did not do anything.

wow,how could i have missed this topic.its really good to see somebody posting about this.ok now i start with the background.i have heard his name about 1 year until now.my father has told me about him because he personally met him when they do"haji" together.my father has told a lot about him to me and sometimes asked me questions about his operations,as i myself is a medical student.

my father has told me that his operation is "bloodless,painless and effective"(and yeah from the way my father told me,obviously that he also believes in this guy).n what raised suspicious in me about this guy is when my father also told that sometimes he doesnt even use knife to remove the organs of the patient.besides he could also cure cancer etc.n i dont want to elaborate further about this since TS has described them very thoroughly.along with the story,he gives the cd that this"doctor"used as promotion for his service.
along with the cd,there are attached booklet on the box.
i took the cd but i only look at the booklet outside.its full of his degree,certificate etc printed on the booklet!!n i say what the...he could scan and published all his certification on the cd booklet?what for?n its obviously from some"islamic"indonesian university that ive never heard of before.there is also certificate of"datukship"which from what i remember its from indonesia(n do indonesia give datukship?i dont know)

other than a surgeon,he is also a silat teacher n have a"bersolek secare islam"thing(i dont know how to describe this,because its more of a class than a product selling).he is promoting all of his sevices on the booklet.there are some pictures of his operation,pictures of him teaching silat,putting a person on glass pieces n let a bike run through the abdomen of the person(n its not him who do it,i dont know y.he just observe from the side).

n the thing that is obviously wrong in his cd booklet is about this"bersolek secare islam"thing.he started 1st with all his bullshitting about"bersolek mengikut sunnah"and all,and at the end of the promotion he attaches 1 of the teaching in this class(maybe as a free promotional services).there he scanned a really old piece of"kromot2"paper which is just able to be read(maybe its from his note when he learnt about this).there he gives the method on what to do in front of your mirror.he said while u touch ur eyes,says "mim"(for mata),to touch nose u say "ha"(for hidung),"mim" and "dal" for other part of the face(i dont want to publish that since some people may do it and i may get"dosa"for that).

if ure a malay,u should know that "mim"ha"mim"dal" is the spelling for Muhammad in arabic.that thing is appropriate since it is a"bersolek secare islam".but as i wrote there,it is "mim"for mata,"ha"for hidung and so on.and i start to think"yaAllah,this is a mentera,n its obviously wrong for a muslim!!".if u still dont get why im thinking of that,its because our prophet Muhammad is from arab.how the hell he knows that mata is start from"mim",hidung is starting from"ha"?this is obviously some malay teachers that started this nonsense!n this is totally prohibited to be followed in islam!!!!

as a conclusion,for those who backed him up about"miracle given by God",alternative medicine etc,u need to know that this person is doing something against Islam.if u say its a miracle from God,i would rather says his unexplained medicine is by black magic.

bertaubatlah wahai saudara2ku.bersama kita basmi golongan2 yang cube menyesatkan agama kita...

This post has been edited by rarap: Apr 3 2010, 07:34 PM

My friend's mom was suffering from batu karang ... so she went to this miracle Dr Raden.
He did his magic ... pulled out the alleged batu karang out ..
My friend asked for the batu karang to bring back home, but the Dr refused. (why??)

Later, my fren brought his mom to the hospital .. Doctors there said .. the batu karang is still there. They decided to operate.
She is now fully healed after the operation at the hospital.

What more proofs you want ?

gosh this is giving Islam a bad name, no wonder people have negative perspective about Islam

honestly, I don't believe this, hopefully the authorities will take action about this soon

the world has gone into such chaos.....

this is why ppl around the world still think us Malaysian are like primitives...

Mata in arabic is Ainun/Ain

Nose/Hidung is Anfun/Anf

NO SUCH THING!

even if there is miracle in Islam medication, there is logical explanation how the treatment works, at least a muslim can understand in their own perspective. If there isn't any, suspicion is inevitable.

Look what happens to JOHARI MANSOR now~

This NEWS is a BLESSING of some sort to all of us, this SCOUNDREL GOT WHAT HE DESERVED for cheating people, I am waiting for other people to file complaint against this man for his "SURGICAL SCAM".

He was convicted before and he is convicted again~ Truly he is a CRIMINAL.

Read thoroughly the following news and rejoice:





Other similar story from other newspapers:

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ni&pg=bt_21.htm
http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_04.htm



I am thoroughly happy with this news. He got what is coming to him. Everyone Rejoice~!

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Added on June 18, 2010, 12:28 am



Reply from one of JOHARI MANSOR's son:


*Forum Moderators have deleted the above reply by "ketuekampong" while I was preparing my reply against it, most likely due to the racism and abusive language that he used, my thanks to the ever vigilant moderators



Nonetheless, the following is my reply:

It seems that this topic has finally got through to the Raden's (Johari) family.

Such horrible use of English language, embarrassing really...

I quote what he wrote:

As all of you can see from the above reply given by ketuekampong @ RADEN MOHD MUSZAMIR son of RADEN JOHARI MANSOR, it somewhat reflects the level of education that he has or was provided to him, which is rather ironic when his own father claims to be a "PROFESSOR", a "DATO'" and even a "DOCTOR". As if all of us (Doctors, Nurses, Med.students, people who thinks logically without relying on blind faith) are imbeciles.

Here he is, a 19 year old boy:



http://www.facebook.com/amer.raden.dhj
http://www.myspace.com/master_satisfaction

As much as I want to argue with a person such as this boy, it would seem pointless and a waste of my time. Why? just look at his reply above and assess weather one such as him is worth arguing with. I have given my arguments regarding this SCAM SURGERY in the previous posts in this topic and some members have put forth the Islamic point of view as well, he can read those and reply to those arguments if he wish.

Regarding the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), here is what being stated in the MEDICAL ACT 1971 about unregistered individuals that claims to be a "DOCTOR" and practices "MEDICINE AND SURGERY" without a license/registration.

Based on the Medical Act 1971, Part-V: General, under section 32: Offenses. It states:
and I quote myself:



Insults aside, he has "invited" me and all of us here to see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY (SCAM)" in address stated in the first page of this topic.

I am VERY HAPPY that he did and I am more than willing to come, most likely I'll have some of my fellow friends (REAL Medical Doctors) that have similar interest in this matter to tag along with me.

I will quote his name to the Keraton staff when I come to visit, however, let it be known that I will not be able to come in the near future since I have to remain in India for the next 1.5+ years but NEVER assume that I will not be coming to this KERATON since it is of GREAT INTEREST to ME.

I've came across this interesting article from the magazine DEWAN MASYARAKAT by DBP, JULY 2009, it states:



Finally, again, I leave it to all of you, dear forumers to judge for yourself between the "OPEN HEART SURGERY" by JOHARI MANSOR and REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGEONS:

OPEN HEART SURGERY - by "Dr" JOHARI MANSOR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCgogKE22y0



OPEN HEART SURGERY - by REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGERONS



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM4u2PXyBpg

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Mar 7 2011, 03:03 AM

Well I Would Love To see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY" live.
from the video i really sure that it was fake...
even though the patient feels good after the treatment i'm sure it was just a placebo effect

why should i embarrased..?yeah i know my english is bad..but im still not dumb like u..my dad doing this business almost 30 years old..still steady n still many customers want see my dad...y are u jealous..?i dare u just come here and see with your eyes..dont always hoo-haa hoohaa only =) where are u know..?just come here la and i cant wait want record your face seeing my father do surgery infront of you =) when you want to come..?look..i see your comment said you in india..?ok i wait you come here =) ..if u all hear only one side that not make a sense..just come and see with your eyes..yeah that my myspace and fb..why..?you want do me popular or what..?hihihi thanks anyway..then add me =) "kid"

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Added on June 18, 2010, 3:41 amoh you sure is a FAKE like you said..?

then see with your eyes..come sentol.. =)

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Added on June 18, 2010, 3:58 ami know my father was doing right..for help people..and you just like "jealous" n cant do what my father do..many all of them patient is now already fully healed..many of ppl already see infront there eyes..my father give them all record because want people know that not a cheat or scam like cybersetaniroojim said..why you always talked like a kid..?just come here and see with your eyes..?is up to you want believe it or not..but you mistake..want make a conclusion without investigate..just come here and investigate your self..if want the truth..if you always hoo-haahoohaa~..if them all dont want do surgery with my dad just nevermind la~coz many of them already trust my dad because my dad is the truth..many video is already record with patient's nearest cousin..not from me or someone else..and many prove of this video is the truth..is up to you want to believe it or not..if u all believe in surgery modern just go to the modern..and dont ruined my family business..cause you all dont know anything because u all only like a kid..just come to sentul and see with your eyes..wasted my time to chit chat with setanirojim u know..?dont wasted your time with your jealousy..wated your time to talk like this..i dare you all just come and see the truth..dont make a conclusion like you all "very genius man" .. weee peace setan..! =)

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Added on June 18, 2010, 4:14 amyou want to compare with modern and traditional..?sure you just like dr insane..i dont know want to call u a low brain or what..haizzz...only wasted your time with MMC blah blah blah~like kesha sing u know..?if your dad got sick setan...just come to my dad..i give you low price or free only.. =) peace setan..haizz..talk with setan is hard..just like im talk with a kid..always want win without investigate..hihihihi..anyway kid..21/6 you going school or not..?i hope you not truancy =) u need more learn kid..try to learn investigate 1st then make a conclusion..not before investigate you already chop my dad is a scam..?cheat..?or something else..?where are u from..?sipitang sabah..?sabah also got my father branch..heeee...u know what..?im dont want stop comment in your forum until you come here and investigate your self..and im not scared to chat in here..in public..because i know my father more than you know and more than anyone else know..think before u do this topic =) kid..peace setanirojim =)

This post has been edited by ketuekampong: Jun 18 2010, 04:15 AM

thanx 4 d further description.dats y i said its totally malay-borne practice.

to ketuekampong,dont b so mad boy.dont act like a kid.TS say many thinks and he provided"evidences".n u fight him back by giving faulty words?if u know dat ur father is right,then counter his evidences.proof dat his evidence is wrong.not simply by saying"come to sentul n watch".in dis era(if ure in it), people no longer believe in wut called"seeing is believing".to believe,we require evidence n explaination.ur evidence will back u up on wut ure saying.n if u cud provide proves,itll help ur father getting more patients.

u know ur father well,but we dont.n dats y we r not bias.we see the arguments freely.u said dat we hear only 1 side n starts making conclusion,then y dont u let us hear wut is on d other side?so far we only read dirty words from u to TS.n is dat how d other side look like?ure d best person to see from both sides.u have ur own opinion,n u know wut written in dis thread(i assume).then y dun u use ur best view to criticize back TS?

be good n mature boy.its ur time to prove ur father.think dis as opportunity,not as a threat.to stand up for ur father is to tell good things about him,not to show how bad-mouthed his son is.

if were not kaji-ing al-quran,y dun u provide which part of al-quran(or hadis) ur father was referring?at least on d part where i commented.it shud be enough.ill believe ur father is not a scam if ure able to do so friend.dun b angry n write helplessly,but b calm n BANG TS(maybe me) maturely

Thank you TS!!I really appreciate your effort in warning us about this ridiculous fraud.

yes... i agree with what rarap says... we need prove... prove me that i'm wrong... not just by simply saying come to sentul...
it's hard to believe just like that because same thing happen before in malaysia about this sort of thing called magic healer...







This post has been edited by pqweb: Jun 20 2010, 05:42 AM

how to prove if u dont come to branch..? =)

if u really2 need proove just come watch n see urself...is that simple is it..?

ok see ya..

cybersetan..

i dont know y u hate my dad..

but i forgive u =)

neway u can just come take a piece prove 1st ok..

and if u all want proove just make an appoint at sentul branch..

ok.. =) see ya..

so when's the trip..(i'm in sabah so might need pre-arrangement)? Maybe I'll try to bring some medico-lego friends along so that we may arrest him on the spot if need be

oh my! clicked on cyberskull siggy only found out.

those scissor ..........lolz wth.... got sterilize ?

1st time I see people use those stationary scissor to cut meat stuff...

even cooking, we also don't use those stuff.

This johari is a joker. I wonder how much he make per month?

KPJ Ipoh Specialist - Dato' Dr. S Jenagaratnam drove a S - class merc + 2 BMW + 1 Alphard.

You are most welcomed. It is important that matter such as this be constantly reminded so that the people can remain vigilant against health frauds not only in Malaysia but the rest of the world as well.

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Added on June 27, 2010, 7:40 pmwell... Charlatans make a lot of money from those swindled by them. However, the blame is not theirs alone, the lack of peoples' awareness regarding current quackeries is partly responsible as well.

One can judge for oneself if a treatment is quack or not.

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Added on June 27, 2010, 7:44 pmUnfortunately, as I mentioned before, I am currently in India and it will be another 1.5+ years before I'm back in Malaysia for good.
Your enthusiasm in this matter is appreciated.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 27 2010, 07:44 PM

wah. got people scamming like this. its all coz the general crowd out there. they're willing to believe in miracles and magic so easily. that's why cases like this can happen. this is really a disgrace as i'm in the medical field as well(still student) .

The bigger joke is that we are letting this happen and are powerless against it. MMA has no authority over him coz he's not a registered doctor. Pharmacy enforcement can't do anything as long as he does not possess controlled medicines. The is liable under the penal code for fraud, but the police are not doing anything.

u r right cybersetan..
totally fake..This guy been caught because of fraud..
his a professional fraudster..
claim to have phd, qualified chemist, dato' and all the title are scam..
save your money guys...trust me.i live near his place...
his well known by our residents as a professional fraudster..
TOO ALL MALAYSIAN, especially the malay community.dont let urself being fool by him...
Believe in GOD not those who get profit (rm2000-3000) from u with this medical crap..

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Added on July 24, 2010, 5:15 amthe trick of the psychic surgery..
watch this video,then you all know how they do it...
people become a wealthy rich by being a con...
poor and pity to those who have been spending for this medical crap..
this tecniques have been famous in phillipines before..
GOD have given us brain to think....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBvdcy_Mi34

This post has been edited by hem: Jul 24 2010, 05:15 AM

Well, the first thing you can do to prove your father's qualification is to show us prove that he obtain his PhD and medical degree. Perhaps by showing those 2, your argument may be more credible.

those in the videos were just fake or the people were fake to help him promote?


may be just wait the korean video guys like they did on the one that using electric/eggs to scam, to find out the truth of fake

This post has been edited by jack2: Jul 24 2010, 02:53 PM

Testimoni Pengalaman Benar Keluarga saya di kenakan bayaran RM10,000.00
untuk pembedahan serupa dilakukan diatas yang sebenarnya tak ubah
seperti sebuah SET-UP pembikinan drama. Bila kami dipanggil masuk ke bilik
pembedahan itu, segala permainannya sudah diatur untuk ditayangkan.
Kami tidak dibenarkan menyentuh apa-apa tapi saya yang was-was dgn
pertunjukan itu sempat mengambil dan menyorokkan sampel cebisan daging
yang dipotong, kami hanya dapat melihat separuh jalan sahaja, kemudian kami
diarah keluar dari bilik itu, dan apabila selesai kami membawa ahli keluarga kami
(pesakit) keluar dari klinik tersebut dan semakin keliru apabila kami dapati
cebisan daging itu tadi bukan daging tetapi sesuatu yang lain dan bukan daging,
dan darah yang ada pada daging itu pula tidak menjadi kering tetapi masih melekit, berminyak
dan bukan darah. Saya percaya ramai yang terpegun dan sudah terpedaya dan menjadi
mangsa penipuan dan kehabisan banyak wang kepadanya tetapi tidak mahu melaporkan
kepada pihak polis kerana khuatir atau malu digelar "kalut" atau percaya kepada "tahyul" bomoh.
Johari Mansor ini sudah ditangkap polis dan dia sedang didakwa kerana menipu.

JOHARI MANSOR - KERATON - MENGANIAYA NAMA ISLAM
Testimoni Pengalaman Benar Keluarga saya di kenakan bayaran RM10,000.00untuk pembedahan serupa dilakukan diatas yang sebenarnya tak ubah seperti sebuah SET-UP pembikinan drama. Bila kami dipanggil masuk ke bilik pembedahan itu, segala permainannya sudah diatur untuk ditayangkan.
Kami tidak dibenarkan menyentuh apa-apa tapi saya yang was-was dgn pertunjukan itu sempat mengambil dan menyorokkan sampel cebisan daging yang dipotong, kami hanya dapat melihat separuh jalan sahaja, kemudian kami diarah keluar dari bilik itu, dan apabila selesai kami membawa ahli keluarga kami(pesakit) keluar dari klinik tersebut dan semakin keliru apabila kami dapati cebisan daging itu tadi bukan daging tetapi sesuatu yang lain dan bukan daging, dan darah yang ada pada daging itu pula tidak menjadi kering tetapi masih melekit, berminyak dan bukan darah. Saya percaya ramai yang terpegun dan sudah terpedaya dan menjadi mangsa penipuan dan kehabisan banyak wang kepadanya tetapi tidak mahu melaporkan kepada pihak polis kerana khuatir atau malu digelar "kalut" atau percaya kepada "tahyul" bomoh.
Johari Mansor ini sudah ditangkap polis dan dia sedang didakwa kerana menipu, mungkin dia boleh terlepas kerana banyak duit tapi yang penting dia tidak akan terlepas dari perhitungan akhirat nanti. Sungguh memalukan orang seperti ini menggunakan nama Islam dan bangsa Melayu untuk mencari kekayaan, kemudian bagi anak2nya makan! Astaghfirullah!

OMG...malaysia also got magic trick like this...WAH!!! interesting.....
secret hypnotic words...in the name of ***** (censored..then ISA come)...I heal u....
I will reach your heart and pull it out as if you have no bones in between.

utter crappy bullshit....well its a total profit oriented ripoff that these people have managed to con and cheat their way through.
most likely those certificates that's from indon was paid for and bought...nowadays dato titles are on the market...
give the right amount of money and you can get one. has anyone seen Sami Velu's educational credentials? totally awesome.
Same goes for this crap here. Good thing that you raised it up TS. Awesome magic tricks in display....
should send the Masked Magician to reveal the tricks in breaking the magicans code!!...hahaha...

well wat to do...as they say...bapa borek, anak rintik...bapa korek, anak rampas.....

please don't blame the religion, but blame the person/practitioner.

All religion told the follower to do good things, it just the person it self who do the bad things.

well i agree with you...its not the religion...but the people/person/practitioner/preachers....they are the abuser...
religions are there for a reason, to guide u to the rite path. but these fanatics...and worst fanatics are found here in Malaysia...
have misused this and have reap tonz of profit under the religion's name.

but with these people hiding behind the name of their religion and god, what can others do. spreading the word of their malpractice also can indirectly turn to become a racial war...again with fanatics driving the up the wrong reasons. Then with our beloved government, no point for me to continue here....

yeee.. so geli

this scam centre are already close or not?

I think i'll make it simple for my Malay Muslim friends that still "atas pagar"

1) I love truth
2) Islam is true
3) I love Islam

So don't be afraid to ask for proof when people claim certain things. Of course they will question your faith or some crap but like I said, I love TRUTH. It applies to all

So please don't get back talked by these scammers. Hold your ground and deny these fakers

or

Become a faker yourself and scam people money. Just don't forget to treat all the LYN members when u get rich