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LATEST UPDATE LIST


* Latest updates can be found at the last pages of this thread.

* Minor Update - Quick Links added to News articles about JOHARI MANSOR for all to see:

- NEWS COMPILATION 1 (CLICK)
- NEWS COMPILATION 2 (CLICK)


*03/1/2011 - - Article and claim from victims taken from Harian Metro and other sources, added. See Here for this update - PENGAKUAN PESAKIT YANG DITIPU (CLICK HERE)

*22/1/2011 - JOHARI MANSOR have been arrested by the police again, he has been sent to prison in Johor. See here - (CLICK HERE)

*29/11/2010 - Updated with another victim's case (SWEETALIA) - Go to the Last page to read or click here: (CLICK HERE)

Introduction


What is Quackery - ? Click here to find out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery


[MEDICAL SCAM] Pusat Rawatan Keraton


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I dont know weather I'm a "slowpoke" or not but this fake and misleading "Professor Dato' Dr Raden Johari Mansor" has to be exposed fast for the sake of Malaysians.

This guy performs his miraculous "surgeries" and "diagnosis" that appears to be real to many people but those who are in the modern medical profession knows that this is an obvious scam.



Please review the followings carefully and comment:


His background information



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Name: Raden Johari Mansor Al-Haj

- He claims to receive his MBBS from Universitas Islam Sumatera Utara, and is practicing "medicine" and "surgery" in Malaysia.
http://www.uisu.ac.id/fk/index.php (unrecognized by Malaysian Medical Council, MMC)

- He also claims to have received his PhDs (yes.. PhDs in plurals) from several Indonesian Universities, eg: PhD in Sains Politik, PhD in Teori farmacognosi terapi, but neither a Masters in Surgery nor MD in surgery whatsoever and yet he can do all kinds of "surgery" and even do "miraculous Neurosurgery". - See the video clips below~

- Also claims to be a Professor and a Dato'... ???
The following videos are among some of his promotional videos that claims to show "miraculous surgery by divine intervention from God":


Introduction and Biodata of JOHARI MANSOR









His "Brain surgery":




compare it a REAL brain surgery (below):



- things to ponder while watching these videos: anatomy, anesthesia, aseptic technique, respiratory support, sterile condition, surgical equipments, etc~

- In this introduction video, The biodata mentioned that this person has VAST EXPERIENCE in MODERN MEDICAL PRACTICE.


I quote from the biodata:

"Prof. Dato' Dr.Johari Mansor Al-Haj berpengalaman luas di-bidang perubatan moden dan alternatif serta juga pensyarah di-institusi Pengajian Tinggi Republik Indonesia dalam bidang Tauhid Ma'rifatullah"

- if he really has a medical doctor qualification, he FAILS even the basics miserably. A medical doctor MUST NOT allow any risk of contamination into the surgical site, he doesn't even wear a face mask, he even BLEW AIR (along with all the microbes in his mouth) into the operated organ. If he had studied medical microbiology, he wouldn't have done that.

- Look at the surgical equipments, a shaving razor and a pair of paper scissors...


His "surgeries" vol.2:




















- No pain and not even a scar????
- How did he managed to take out a heart without even opening the thorax?? and how the hell did he maintain the blood circulation in the patient with the heart outside of her body?

Blood circulation must be maintained with a heart-lung machine:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart-lung_machine

- Notice how SMALL the heart is ??

This guy hides behind religion and claims to be able to perform miracles... and those blinded by faith alone without even bothering to study the scientific basis of this fell prey to this scammer...

Compare it with a REAL cardiothoracic and abdominal surgery:








PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON'S WEBSITE: http://pusatrawatankeraton.com/ (for some unexplained reason - this website has been taken down)


Address:

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Pusat Rawatan Keraton
No 34,Jalan Padi Emas 2,Bandar Baru Uda ,
81200 Tampoi, Johor, Malaysia.
Tel : 07-2380214 / 07-2380171


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Pusat Rawatan Keraton
No 20-2, Jalan 14/48A,Sentul raya,
Boulevard Bussiness Centre Kuala Lumpur D1-1,
Plaza bussiness centre,Kuala Lumpur.
Tel: 03-40421328


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Pusat Rawatan dan Kecantikan Keraton,
D1-1,Plaza Tanjung Ara,Kota Kinabalu,Sabah.
Tel: 08-81442016


I Quote from one of his fanatic supporter's blog:

"I received a comment from a Doctor Ahmad Farouk Musa, from the School of Health and Medical Sciences, Monash University lambasting me as one who has a Stone Age mentality for believing in modern day miracles and libeling me as wanting to drag you my readers back to the so called Dark Ages by sharing with you here about these amazing miracle healings being carried out by unconventional Islamic Spiritual Healings of Professor Dato Dr.Raden Johari Mansur of the Pusat Rawatan Keraton, based at Sentul Raya Boulevard, Kuala Lumpur!" - Mahaguru58


"He (the "Prof") says that the charges for operations at the Pusat Rawatan Keraton is RM3000+ for above navel areas of the body and RM2000+ for areas below it."




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Mahaguru58's blog entry was removed by him as of October 2010, but thanks to GOOGLE CACHE, a copy of it is still available online - I guess he now knows that he was wrong but too proud to admit it (click the link below):

Source: http://www.mediafire.com/?mm7bq1ocd595ad1
He disgusts me and he is an insult to modern medical sciences~!






Added on 21/6/2012 - Also - the following are the warnings given by the MINISTRY OF HEALTH (in Malay):


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Additional info, JOHARI MANSOR is also the founder of SENI SILAT GERAK KILAT:






To EVERYONE in MALAYSIA, PLEASE DONT FALL PREY TO THIS CHEAT - GO REPORT HIM TO MMC AND THE POLICE~!! Get this SwiNDLER OUT oF MaLAYSIA~!!

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- He also claims to have received his PhDs (yes.. PhDs in plurals) from several Indonesian Universities, eg: PhD in Sains Politik, PhD in Teori farmacognosi terapi, but neither a Masters in Surgery nor MD in surgery whatsoever and yet he can do all kinds of "surgery" and even do "miraculous Neurosurgery". - See the video clips below~


Im pretty sure you can skip your masters if youre a first class honours.

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The microbes he blew into the patients body are divine microbes mah, which is the miracle that help the patient to heal biggrin.gif .
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shaving razors and papper scissors? he practically brings in a pencil case everytime he's going to operate on someone! so what did he use to stitch up the open abdomen? UHU glue? stapler?
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QUOTE(Ilianas_Toy @ Jun 21 2009, 10:22 AM)
Im pretty sure you can skip your masters if youre a first class honours.
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It doesn't work that way for a medical graduate. Masters in Surgery is a professional qualification.


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The microbes he blew into the patients body are divine microbes mah, which is the miracle  that help the patient to heal  biggrin.gif .
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the patients will divinely be dead then~ laugh.gif

anyhow, seriously this fraudster needs to be sent to jail for cheating the sick and dying out of their hard-earned money. Just imagine if it was you who were "treated/swindled" by him... how would you feel?

please spread this news to other ppl. lets hope they wont fall prey to this parasite.


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anyway, i know his methods are ridiculous... but what about the outcomes? if there's a lot of success with no mortality, then it's hard to convince people that he's just a fraud...
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He "successfully" interviewed those patients immediately after his "surgery" for promotional factor. What did they say? No pain? No Scar? Feels a lot better? (ever heard of Placebo effect?)

I am eager to see any of his "treated" cancer patient come forth and be examined by an oncologist and I want the specimens (tumour, fibroids, tissues) that he "apparently" taken out of such patient to be examined by a pathologist to determine if those are even of human origin.

Putting up an elaborate show to impress the common people into believing he actually did a "surgery" on the patient is what a fraudster like him does.

Painless surgery? of course its painless if this fraudster didn't even cut the patient open.

I believe this fraudster cut opened an animal or parts of an animal (goat, cow, etc) that was put on top of the patient during his "surgery" and removed whatever organ that he thinks is "diseased". (ever wonder why he didn't expose a larger area of the incision site to the camera?)

I did made a remark on the size of the "patient's heart" previously, an adult human heart is way bigger than that and it is supposed to be beating if its freshly removed from the thoracic cavity. In order to remove a human heart, the blood circulation MUST be maintained otherwise the body will die.

Since the patient was "anesthetized" by whatever chemical he used on the patient, the patient wont be feeling anything on the surgical site or whatever that was put on the patient's body.

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i've seen a cardiothoracic surgery up-close... and his surgery is nothing like it! no cardiopulmonary bypass, no heart-lung machine, no electric saw, no anesthesia. his surgery is more similar to a butcher slicing off pieces of meat at the market.. some of the few things i noticed in video 2 is that...
1. the makcik's chest is a bit higher than the normal anatomical position... so i'm guessing he put something on top of her chest before covering it with cloth..
2. there's no way u can take out the heart from the chest without using a saw to cut through the ribs...
3. u're right about the heart size too... it is somewhat smaller than a normal human heart...

but the video seems pretty real if u've never seen an actual open heart surgery... he's pretty good, can be the next david copperfield...

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In the first place, have your reported to the authorities already, TS?
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QUOTE(lyochida @ Jun 22 2009, 03:21 AM)
In the first place, have your reported to the authorities already, TS?
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I'm in India now. You guys can go directly the police station, esp those in JB and KL (his pusat rawatans are there). Will you help?

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Ts, was this scam published in the papers?
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QUOTE(ah liew @ Jun 22 2009, 10:17 AM)
Ts, was this scam published in the papers?
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I believe the scam by this person has yet to be published by any newspaper. The Pusat perubatan Cakra Alam Scam has been exposed previously by both newspapers and TV3, this scam is yet to follow:

The Cakra Alam Scam






TV3 Exposes Cakra Alam Scam




The disappearing paper trick (Flash paper/nitrocellulose)

The cakra alam swindler used this trick too,



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this is ridiculous!!
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Jun 21 2009, 09:48 PM)
i've seen a cardiothoracic surgery up-close... and his surgery is nothing like it! no cardiopulmonary bypass, no heart-lung machine, no electric saw, no anesthesia. his surgery is more similar to a butcher slicing off pieces of meat at the market.. some of the few things i noticed in video 2 is that...
1. the makcik's chest is a bit higher than the normal anatomical position... so i'm guessing he put something on top of her chest before covering it with cloth..
2. there's no way u can take out the heart from the chest without using a saw to cut through the ribs...
3. u're right about the heart size too... it is somewhat smaller than a normal human heart...

but the video seems pretty real if u've never seen an actual open heart surgery... he's pretty good, can be the next david copperfield...
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It is very unfortunate that many people were deceived by this "religious man". Any TRUE medical doctor or even a medical student can easily prove that he is a fraud with absolutely no knowledge of human anatomy and surgery.

and another thing, he claims to have received his MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery) from Universitas Islam Sumatra, since when Indonesian universities produce MBBS degree? they DONT.

Curse him for using religion to cheat people.

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it make me LOL watching the so call operation.. cut open the patient using shaving blade, cutting away so call tumor using table scissor.. the blood didn even flow, the blood is more like cream like suggesting it is from a dead body is it? opening skull using hammer and blade? lol seeing tis.. then use the blade to dig out the tumor.. even more laughable.. the heart surgery.. so small meh the heart.. a normal human being heart is as big as his/her palm.. yet the s cal doc.. can take it out play with it.. cutting tis and tat... lol
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u can always write an email to raise this issue up to the higher authority.

email add: admin@mmc.gov.
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tis is very serius case
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F***er should be ashamed of himself! He is making the rest of the medical community look bad!
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I found some profound similarities between this scammer's "surgical" techniques to that of "psychic surgery" practitioners/scammers' techniques, with some alterations.

See for yourselves~

Google "Psychic surgery" and watch the following videos and do
a comparison:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBvdcy_Mi34




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOq1zssejgI




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roCounjrXf8


...and here is a PARODY of psychic surgery by Jim Carrey laugh.gif laugh.gif :



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy53Un2AXpU

*in the above clip, Jim Carrey acts as person dying of cancer and resorted to psychic surgery for a cure. It is taken from the film: MAN ON THE MOON




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tis is very serius case
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Indeed it is.

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your post has been highlighted here.

http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7371
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This is indeed a serious case. Thanks for sharing.
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dude this is an alternative medicine.. theres no way to compare with modern medicine..

im muslim and im a medical student.. i know and saw myself a lot of these so called "miracle doctors".. they are not as simple as what u think..

especially if u're a muslim u should know there are a lot of "miracle" stuff that are unexplainable regarding medication.. something we believe, a faith..

most modern medicine only able to slow down the progression of the disease.. they cant stop and fully cure the disease..

but there are plenty of people who went to these kind of alternative medicine, whether islam way, chinese or etc etc had cured.. diabetic foot for example.. in modern medication, the doctors will ask to amputate it..
but some alternative practitioners they can reverse the changes and cure the "dead" foot..

its hard to explain because it is all about faith and how badly u want the disease to be cure..
plus im lacking in knowledge about alternative medication either

whether u want to choose it or u dont.. its all up to you..

if u dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it

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You, a claimed-medical student, a student of science, of all people... I would very much like to know where you are studying medicine?

You haven't read the entire argument and watch the entire video clips did you?

What medical student would believe in such practice? I have related this matter to my fellow colleagues and lecturers - They all came with the same conclusion:

- ITS A SCAM -

(go brush up on your anatomy and surgery subjects - if you are a medical student)

Ever heard of Evidence-based medicine and evidence-based treatment? It is the very basic foundation of medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_practice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_medicine

Alternative medicine is where most "Quacks" come from.

This so called PROFESSOR DATO DR RADEN JOHARI MANSOR is NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL more over just look at his "SURGERIES" and compare them with a REAL SURGERY.

Understand that none of the "surgeries" that he performed is real. What did he do?


-Opening the skull with a hammer and a shaving razor, knocking the patient's head with a hammer and plucking the so-called tumor out just like that from the brain.

-Performing a cardiothoracic surgery without even opening the thoracic cavity and taking out the "patient's" heart that is not even the proper size and not even beating? No maintenance of systemic nor pulmonary circulation.

-The patient hardly bleeds? moreover even awake during the entire "procedure"?

-Diagnosing a patient using a spray of unknown liquid? and immediately says that the patient has fibroid?

-No scar, no suturing of the wound, no anesthesia, even the patient's eye is "taped" during the entire "surgery"?

-Conducting a "one-man show" surgery without the proper surgical instruments much less sterility of his "operating theater".



again I ask you, How could you trust this person?


I dare this scammer to perform his "surgery" in front of a panel of surgeons and provide the "tumours, tissues, organs" that he allegedly took out to be examined a pathologist.


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The first video is amazing. How did he do that?


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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 5 2009, 03:09 PM)
dude this is an alternative medicine.. theres no way to compare with modern medicine..

im muslim and im a medical student.. i know and saw myself a lot of these so called "miracle doctors".. they are not as simple as what u think..

especially if u're a muslim u should know there are a lot of "miracle" stuff that are unexplainable regarding medication.. something we believe, a faith..

most modern medicine only able to slow down the progression of the disease.. they cant stop and fully cure the disease..

but there are plenty of people who went to these kind of alternative medicine, whether islam way, chinese or etc etc had cured.. diabetic foot for example.. in modern medication, the doctors will ask to amputate it..
but some alternative practitioners they can reverse the changes and cure the "dead" foot..

its hard to explain because it is all about faith and how badly u want the disease to be cure..
plus im lacking in knowledge about alternative medication either

whether u want to choose it or u dont.. its all up to you..

if u dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it
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Remind me to never send any sick people your way if you somehow finish your medical degree.
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a friend of mine, his brother had knee surgery done at private hosp b4.. but the doctor accidentally left their i-couldnt-remember-orthopedic-tool inside his leg.. this happened 4-5 years back.

they did scan and they found theres metal inside there..

their family very angry because the doctor want to open back his leg..

they went to malacca to find this man.. we called him ustaz.

he never charged their family anything, basically its free service.. up to the people how much or what they want to give him

he did his "surgery" basically with just moving his fingers and hands.. like somekind of superpower stuff u see on tv.. the patient is awake.. didnt feel anything..

this part really messed up our mind.. especially if youre not a believers and didnto see yourself, me myself its hard to believe either, i did laugh 2gether with my friend when i saw his way of doing surgery...

after 2 hours he did his "surgery", he asked the patient to go back, rest and theres some food he was not allowed to eat or drink for weeks..

after a month, he went to hospital.. did x-ray, the metal is gone.. im speechless

theres no more pain, theres no new scar, theres nothing...

and yeah, i followed my friend to that place in malacca.. i swa it myseld..

so its up to u if u wanna believe it.. i gain nothing from u

but let me ask u, how do you explain that?
there are plenty of modern medicine practitioners out there who also sometimes referred their patient to their well-known alternative medicine practitioners..

i know its hard for modern and alternative to co-exist.. modern are evidence-based.. and alternative usually for believers.. but why couldnt we open up our mind a bit? be outside the box?

i mean theres no harm to take the good aspect of the alternative medicine (when theres proven safe and cure) and combine it with modern practise

and to angrydog, fine, its your decision.. btw, i scored good marks in my exams and my case discussion (short or long case) usually end up with very well from my doctors.. and i didnt come from any crappy medical school..
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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 5 2009, 08:19 PM)
a friend of mine, his brother had knee surgery done at private hosp b4.. but the doctor accidentally left their i-couldnt-remember-orthopedic-tool inside his leg.. this happened 4-5 years back.

they did scan and they found theres metal inside there..

their family very angry because the doctor want to open back his leg..

they went to malacca to find this man.. we called him ustaz.

he never charged their family anything, basically its free service.. up to the people how much or what they want to give him

he did his "surgery" basically with just moving his fingers and hands.. like somekind of superpower stuff u see on tv.. the patient is awake.. didnt feel anything..

this part really messed up our mind.. especially if youre not a believers and didnto see yourself, me myself its hard to believe either, i did laugh 2gether with my friend when i saw his way of doing surgery...

after 2 hours he did his "surgery", he asked the patient to go back, rest and theres some food he was not allowed to eat or drink for weeks..

after a month, he went to hospital.. did x-ray, the metal is gone.. im speechless

theres no more pain, theres no new scar, theres nothing...

and yeah, i followed my friend to that place in malacca.. i swa it myseld..

so its up to u if u wanna believe it.. i gain nothing from u

but let me ask u, how do you explain that?
there are plenty of modern medicine practitioners out there who also sometimes referred their patient to their well-known alternative medicine practitioners..

i know its hard for modern and alternative to co-exist.. modern are evidence-based.. and alternative usually for believers.. but why couldnt we open up our mind a bit? be outside the box?

i mean theres no harm to take the good aspect of the alternative medicine (when theres proven safe and cure) and combine it with modern practise

and to angrydog, fine, its your decision.. btw, i scored good marks in my exams and my case discussion (short or long case) usually end up with very well from my doctors.. and i didnt come from any crappy medical school..
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Sounds like bullshit to me. Natural healing, placebo effect can account for much of so called "miracle cures"
As for the metal plate that is heresay bullshit until investigated by a reliable independent party. Someone is reading his XRays wrong here.

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An update:

http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7390

Thanks to Palmdoc~

Lets see if MOH responds.


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An update:

http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7390

Thanks to Palmdoc~

Lets see if MOH responds.
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It has been almost a month, and MOH has not responded to the report I made.
This is just pathetic.

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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 5 2009, 08:19 PM)
a friend of mine, his brother had knee surgery done at private hosp b4.. but the doctor accidentally left their i-couldnt-remember-orthopedic-tool inside his leg.. this happened 4-5 years back.

they did scan and they found theres metal inside there..

their family very angry because the doctor want to open back his leg..

they went to malacca to find this man.. we called him ustaz.

he never charged their family anything, basically its free service.. up to the people how much or what they want to give him

he did his "surgery" basically with just moving his fingers and hands.. like somekind of superpower stuff u see on tv.. the patient is awake.. didnt feel anything..

this part really messed up our mind.. especially if youre not a believers and didnto see yourself, me myself its hard to believe either, i did laugh 2gether with my friend when i saw his way of doing surgery...

after 2 hours he did his "surgery", he asked the patient to go back, rest and theres some food he was not allowed to eat or drink for weeks..

after a month, he went to hospital.. did x-ray, the metal is gone.. im speechless

theres no more pain, theres no new scar, theres nothing...

and yeah, i followed my friend to that place in malacca.. i swa it myseld..

so its up to u if u wanna believe it.. i gain nothing from u

but let me ask u, how do you explain that?
there are plenty of modern medicine practitioners out there who also sometimes referred their patient to their well-known alternative medicine practitioners..

i know its hard for modern and alternative to co-exist.. modern are evidence-based.. and alternative usually for believers.. but why couldnt we open up our mind a bit? be outside the box?

i mean theres no harm to take the good aspect of the alternative medicine (when theres proven safe and cure) and combine it with modern practise

and to angrydog, fine, its your decision.. btw, i scored good marks in my exams and my case discussion (short or long case) usually end up with very well from my doctors.. and i didnt come from any crappy medical school..
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this is utter bullshit..seriously, there are no such things! geez, it's not about faith or believing..and all this is just a hearsay, did u go with your friend's brother to the doctor to actually hear him saying that the metal is gone? it's like asking us to believe that someone can actually take out something from our body without us feeling it or any open surgeries?well if it's true then i'm sorry to say, it's worse than aliens invading our planet!

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Another quote from one of the uploaded clips, it states:


"This is the rest of the video showing Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansur's miraculous surgeries using just his Faith in Allah and the Islamic Spiritual Healing that has a conventional doctor accusing me of wanting to lead Muslims back to the Stone Age by believing in such healing methods?

I am just asking Dr.Ahmad Farouk Musa to try and explain how does this Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansur perform such amazing open surgeries without any life support systems and modern day operation theater's advanced sophisticated equipments and instruments that we see in inflated costs specialist medical hospitals today?

Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari operates using very basic knifes and scissors that one would find in one's kitchens and the patient is not put under anesthesia?

After surgery, within minutes or hours, the patient is up and about with no visible scars of the surgery! I wish Dr Ahmad would be able to explain that instead of childishly calling me names alike an ignorant peasant instead of being a true blue academic as he identifies himself as? I await a proper reply from the doctor. "

- Mahaguru58

As you all can see, the supporter (Mahaguru58) of this Quack Surgeon don't even realize that he himself is cheated by this so called "Islamic Miracle Healer/surgeon".

Dr.Ahmad Farouk Musa (of Monash School of Medicine, Malaysia) doesn't need to explain anything to such person who obviously failed to see logic. (please read the comment area in the link below for further clarification)

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http://www.med.monash.edu.my/About-Us/Dr.-...arouk-Musa.html

I have provided the most likely method that this quack surgeon operates his scam in the first page of this thread.

I am a Muslim myself and I certainly will not blindly follow/believe in such "miracles". God has given us brains in order for us to be able to think logically.

This guy (Mahaguru58) has certainly failed to use it.


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QUOTE(syklspurs @ Aug 20 2009, 03:24 PM)
this is utter bullshit..seriously, there are no such things! geez, it's not about faith or believing..and all this is just a hearsay, did u go with your friend's brother to the doctor to actually hear him saying that the metal is gone? it's like asking us to believe that someone can actually take out something from our body without us feeling it or any open surgeries?well if it's true then i'm sorry to say, it's worse than aliens invading our planet!
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Indeed it is unfortunate that this Hyperx, one that claims to be a medical student, believed in such things without even trying to make an effort to understand the logic behind them.

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even i am not a medical student or any related in medical field...

i agreed on what other forummers saying that he is faking...

how could a person wont die when the heart is taken out? and it does not has any beating...? and he trims it like "trimming" some kind of flowers??

heart sized as i known it will be as big as our palm as asked my grandma..she was a nurse with KL Goverment Hospital during her days..she went into operating theater

thousand of times to assist the doctors in the surgery..

and the mak cik looks like have a bit stomach uh? dont u notice her stomach is way bigger than normal?? i mean izzit he put something on her?

y he keep pulling the surgery cloth every now & then? i've noticed that in the video...



i wonder did he sanitize the scissors? using a razor blade to take out a tumor? and the tumor the way he "cucuk" like cucuk fishball??...


i believe no matter how mireacle is it..i think there is no such way as this video...he shud video b4 he cover the patient with the cloth and after covering..and also perform it

in a goverment hospital with qualified surgeon...
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Here is another video of his "surgery", the patient is having her kidney tumour "removed"....



Medical students/Doctors/Surgeons - see how this fraud simply removed the "tumour" from the "kidney", that is not even the right way to approach the kidney.


and another thing, since he is not bothered by sterility of his "operating theater", why bother covering the surgical site to the camera? and furthermore why did he cover it up as if not allowing a better view for the camera?

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still no action from authority ?
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Nov 13 2009, 11:03 AM)
still no action from authority ?
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Alas.... No.

The following news PROVES that HE IS NOT a REGISTERED MEDICAL DOCTOR, he was charged for the possession of controlled medicines.

A registered medical doctor is allowed to posses controlled medicines/poisons for his practice. Johari Mansor obviously is NOT one of them.

Here is an interesting news about Johari Mansor, I quote from the Daily Express (Sabah-based newspaper):


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In another case, Johari Mansor, from Johore claimed trial to two counts of similar charge and another count of having unregistered products for the purpose of selling them.

Johari pleaded not guilty to having six items which among others containing Ampicilin, Levonorgestral, Betamethasone, Amoxycilin and Cimetidine, all listed in First Schedule of Poisons Act 1952.


He allegedly committed the offence at 10.45am on June 1, last year at Pusat Latihan dan Rawatan Seni Silat Gerak Kilat Kebangsaan, Wisma PSSGK, Jalan Mat Salleh, Tanjung Aru.

On the second count, he was accused of having 15 items, which were unregistered products at the same place and time.

The charge framed under Regulation 30(1) of the Cosmetics and Drugs Control Regulations 1984 and punishable under Section 12 (1) of the Drugs Sales Act (revised 2000) which provides for a maximum fine of RM25,000 or three years jail or both on conviction.

Johari was also alleged to have eight strips of Pontalon containing Metenamic acid, which is listed under the First Schedule of the Poisons Act, at the same premises at 2.45pm on Sept 19, last year.

Johari, who claimed to be a doctor and a Datuk, was offered bail at RM1,000 in one surety pending the hearing on Aug 18 to 22, 2008.

Heng told the court that the prosecution has 11 witnesses.
- Published on: Wednesday, October 03, 2007, Daily Express

Source: http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=53096



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What is the Poison Act 1952 ?

Read it here: http://www.pharmacy.gov.my/html/legislatio...0act%201952.pdf
To Mahaguru58 and other fanatic supporter of Johari Mansor..

Open your EYES and MIND. Think Logically to the evidences put forth to you.

Don't let BLIND FAITH cloud your judgment.

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Thanks for the highlight...are you a doctor as well, Topic Starter..

and any of the videos posted in your post freaked me out...Haha

I guess I am not good when come to see a blood and live operation.


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diagnosed to have fibroid in the ovary???(in the 1st video) never heard of that before...
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do proof it scientifically or GTFO.

free bump to let more people know about this scam.

thanks TS for sharing smile.gif
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yeahhh agree wit hyperx!

if u all dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it. i didnt say i believe it and neither i dont believe it unless i experienced myself.

u cannot stop what others think because we people have our own opinion and no one is dead after the operation so far.

heyy y dont u go to sentul or johor (where pusat rawatan kraton is located) and experience urself either it is fake or not n after that u can tell and evaluate urself. s far s i know he allows people who wants to take a video and this is especially for people who dont believe in such miracle like this. Our Agong Sultan Zainal Abidin himself acknowledge him as his private doctor and even giv him title 'Tan Sri' as many of you would not know.

well me s a Muslim believes miracle do happen and not us who can heal the disease but we just sort of medium between us and God that heal the disease with His permission.



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QUOTE(ellycha @ Jan 17 2010, 09:32 PM)
yeahhh agree wit hyperx!

if u all dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it. i didnt say i believe it and neither i dont believe it unless i experienced myself.

u cannot stop what others think because we people have our own opinion and no one is dead after the operation so far.

heyy y dont u go to sentul or johor (where pusat rawatan kraton is located) and experience urself either it is fake or not n after that u can tell and evaluate urself. s far s i know he allows people who wants to take a video and this is especially for people who dont  believe in such miracle like this. Our Agong Sultan Zainal Abidin himself acknowledge him as his private doctor and even giv him title 'Tan Sri' as many of you would not know.

well me s a Muslim believes miracle do happen and not us who can heal the disease but we just sort of medium between us and God that heal the disease with His permission.
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Firstly...

The REASON for "hoo-haa"-ing about this matter is to EDUCATE/WARN the public as to NOT TO FALL PREY to this so-called "MIRACLE SURGERY" which is something I believe you don't give a damn about.

I believe in EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE, unless this Johari Mansor can reproduce his cure using his methods on other patients under the observation and documentation of TRUE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, he is just another swindler preying on the sick and dying using ISLAM as his cover....

Just look at PUSAT RAWATAN CAKRA ALAM... with that self-proclaimed "Ustaz" Arief, a charlatan, a swindler, that uses the term "PERUBATAN ISLAM" as a cover for his scam.

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God have given both you and hyperx brain to use, to think LOGICALLY as to what and how such "MIRACLE SURGERY" could have been done. How could one be DEAD when the SURGERY is not even real?

I have even put forth the points as to support my arguments in the previous pages. Can you not think? How come many other people are able to see this and not both of you?

I may not be able to FULLY STOP other peoples' belief regarding this "PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON" but I have laid down the foundation for them to re-consider/re-think about their stand in this matter.

You mentioned that Johari Mansor was awarded the title "Tan Sri" and a private doctor of Sultan Zainal Abidin? Provide proof of this !

I am a Muslim as well, but again, I have to stress that I do not BLINDLY believe in something such as this~!!



Again I have to state the following regarding JOHARI MANSOR unless you have missed them:

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1. HE IS NOT A SURGEON/MEDICAL DOCTOR , PRACTICING ANY FORM OF SURGERY WITHOUT PROPER LICENSE AND QUALIFICATION IS AGAINST THE LAW. (HE IS NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL)

2. HE CLAIMS TO BE A PROFESSOR, A DATO' AND A MEDICAL DOCTOR.

3. HE WAS CONVICTED FOR POSSESSING CONTROLLED MEDICINE IS SABAH. (Which proves he IS NOT a registered Medical Doctor)

4. HE PRACTICES FAKE SURGERY WHICH IS EVIDENT FROM THE VIDEO CLIPS. (Browse through the previous arguments as to why I said this)


..... have I not repeated this previously? Please read through the entire thread....

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but normally people with chronic diseases are willing to try anything...

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QUOTE(Ah Teng @ Jan 19 2010, 12:34 PM)
but normally people with chronic diseases are willing to try anything...
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Very true.If someone is going to die I'm sure he's going to try any options available including stuffs like these.

Anyway,2000$-3000$ is quite expensive for some scissors and shaving razors.
I'd say,they must be made from one hell of a metal . What are they, Jupiter brand Jupiterium? whistling.gif
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Seriously, its really disappointing that he uses Islam as a cover, and very disappointing also to those Muslims who believe blindly to anything. I'm a medical student and also a Muslim, yes, we pray for our patients to heal, but we also HAVE to do necessary things to help them heal. Basically, we can't just rely on blind faith, we also NEED science. Its really sad that some Malaysians are still too narrow-minded, and very gullible to believe anything under the name of religion. We also need knowledge and science to develop ourselves.

and yes, the videos look fake as hell, any medical students/doctors or even nurses can recognize that. Its just unbelievable how gullible some people are,
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Ovarian fibroid??!!!
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im not a medical practitioner
but i can tell u this surgery is totally fake..
i do believe in miracles..
theres something u cant rely on logics..
you will know it when u experiencing it by yourself..
maybe he can really cure the others by his own method
again..maybe...we cant tell how he could do that
but those video is a fake surgery..
please examine the tissues..
bet u he wont let u do that..

my lecturer..n engineer from india..
do believe in supernatural beings after been here for a year.. sweat.gif
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if u take a look at his hospital's webpage.. the list of patient's name there are even weird.. urgghh..
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I for one, am not gonna believe either TS or the 'scammer' until I have seen proves.

I'm not gonna believe TS because you're in India, if you have not seen this supposedly scammer yourself, get some evidence that he is in fact, scamming people, witness the surgery yourself with every move be analyzed, then you can't argue that he wasn't even doing the surgery to the patient. You can however argue that yes, he was just using simple tools, un-sterilized, he didn't care about proper hygiene and all that medical requirements before surgery.

I'm also not gonna believe in this healer person either because yes, it does look a bit too good to be true.. I've seen/heard miracle stories and I've seen people miraculously heal using alternative healing that even doctors are baffled and science can't explain it but without proves again, it's just a story, which could be made up. Plus with no proper accreditation, no news about him at all (I've not heard of him until I read this thread) then he's just nothing. Based on the videos posted on youtube, it kinda supports the claim that he didn't do the surgery, but replaced them with animal parts or something.. which I found extremely suspicious. Plus the patient didn't feel pain, no scars etc He performed the surgery, removing tumors as if it's too easy, something that can be done by a 3 year old. If he's doing miracle, it would be all over the news right now.

I hope those with tumors who did the surgery, come forward with previous scans of the tumor, and scan after they did the surgery, WITH the support from at least 2 different doctors and testimonial that the tumor is in fact, gone after the surgery.

I wouldn't be quick with judging people. He could be a scam, but he could also be real. God can give 'powers' to whoever he wishes to, but there are some who misuse the name 'Islam' and scam people for the sake of money. If he's really a scam, he will be exposed.

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Well, just to revive this topic. It seems that he is, still in operation. The law enforcers still did not do anything.
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wow,how could i have missed this topic.its really good to see somebody posting about this.ok now i start with the background.i have heard his name about 1 year until now.my father has told me about him because he personally met him when they do"haji" together.my father has told a lot about him to me and sometimes asked me questions about his operations,as i myself is a medical student.

my father has told me that his operation is "bloodless,painless and effective"(and yeah from the way my father told me,obviously that he also believes in this guy).n what raised suspicious in me about this guy is when my father also told that sometimes he doesnt even use knife to remove the organs of the patient.besides he could also cure cancer etc.n i dont want to elaborate further about this since TS has described them very thoroughly.along with the story,he gives the cd that this"doctor"used as promotion for his service.
along with the cd,there are attached booklet on the box.
i took the cd but i only look at the booklet outside.its full of his degree,certificate etc printed on the booklet!!n i say what the...he could scan and published all his certification on the cd booklet?what for?n its obviously from some"islamic"indonesian university that ive never heard of before.there is also certificate of"datukship"which from what i remember its from indonesia(n do indonesia give datukship?i dont know)

other than a surgeon,he is also a silat teacher n have a"bersolek secare islam"thing(i dont know how to describe this,because its more of a class than a product selling).he is promoting all of his sevices on the booklet.there are some pictures of his operation,pictures of him teaching silat,putting a person on glass pieces n let a bike run through the abdomen of the person(n its not him who do it,i dont know y.he just observe from the side).

n the thing that is obviously wrong in his cd booklet is about this"bersolek secare islam"thing.he started 1st with all his bullshitting about"bersolek mengikut sunnah"and all,and at the end of the promotion he attaches 1 of the teaching in this class(maybe as a free promotional services).there he scanned a really old piece of"kromot2"paper which is just able to be read(maybe its from his note when he learnt about this).there he gives the method on what to do in front of your mirror.he said while u touch ur eyes,says "mim"(for mata),to touch nose u say "ha"(for hidung),"mim" and "dal" for other part of the face(i dont want to publish that since some people may do it and i may get"dosa"for that).

if ure a malay,u should know that "mim"ha"mim"dal" is the spelling for Muhammad in arabic.that thing is appropriate since it is a"bersolek secare islam".but as i wrote there,it is "mim"for mata,"ha"for hidung and so on.and i start to think"yaAllah,this is a mentera,n its obviously wrong for a muslim!!".if u still dont get why im thinking of that,its because our prophet Muhammad is from arab.how the hell he knows that mata is start from"mim",hidung is starting from"ha"?this is obviously some malay teachers that started this nonsense!n this is totally prohibited to be followed in islam!!!!

as a conclusion,for those who backed him up about"miracle given by God",alternative medicine etc,u need to know that this person is doing something against Islam.if u say its a miracle from God,i would rather says his unexplained medicine is by black magic.

bertaubatlah wahai saudara2ku.bersama kita basmi golongan2 yang cube menyesatkan agama kita...

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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 5 2009, 03:09 PM)
dude this is an alternative medicine.. theres no way to compare with modern medicine..

im muslim and im a medical student.. i know and saw myself a lot of these so called "miracle doctors".. they are not as simple as what u think..

especially if u're a muslim u should know there are a lot of "miracle" stuff that are unexplainable regarding medication.. something we believe, a faith..

most modern medicine only able to slow down the progression of the disease.. they cant stop and fully cure the disease..

but there are plenty of people who went to these kind of alternative medicine, whether islam way, chinese or etc etc had cured.. diabetic foot for example.. in modern medication, the doctors will ask to amputate it..
but some alternative practitioners they can reverse the changes and cure the "dead" foot..

its hard to explain because it is all about faith and how badly u want the disease to be cure..
plus im lacking in knowledge about alternative medication either

whether u want to choose it or u dont.. its all up to you..

if u dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it
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My friend's mom was suffering from batu karang ... so she went to this miracle Dr Raden.
He did his magic ... pulled out the alleged batu karang out ..
My friend asked for the batu karang to bring back home, but the Dr refused. (why??)

Later, my fren brought his mom to the hospital .. Doctors there said .. the batu karang is still there. They decided to operate.
She is now fully healed after the operation at the hospital.

What more proofs you want ?
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gosh this is giving Islam a bad name, no wonder people have negative perspective about Islam

honestly, I don't believe this, hopefully the authorities will take action about this soon
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the world has gone into such chaos.....
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this is why ppl around the world still think us Malaysian are like primitives...
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QUOTE(rarap @ Apr 3 2010, 07:32 PM)
wow,how could i have missed this topic.its really good to see somebody posting about this.ok now i start with the background.i have heard his name about 1 year until now.my father has told me about him because he personally met him when they do"haji" together.my father has told a lot about him to me and sometimes asked me questions about his operations,as i myself is a medical student.

my father has told me that his operation is "bloodless,painless and effective"(and yeah from the way my father told me,obviously that he also believes in this guy).n what raised suspicious in me about this guy is when my father also told that sometimes he doesnt even use knife to remove the organs of the patient.besides he could also cure cancer etc.n i dont want to elaborate further about this since TS has described them very thoroughly.along with the story,he gives the cd that this"doctor"used as promotion for his service.
along with the cd,there are attached booklet  on the box.
i took the cd but i only look at the booklet outside.its full of his degree,certificate etc printed on the booklet!!n i say what the...he could scan and published all his certification on the cd booklet?what for?n its obviously from some"islamic"indonesian university that ive never heard of before.there is also certificate of"datukship"which from what i remember its from indonesia(n do indonesia give datukship?i dont know)

other than a surgeon,he is also a silat teacher n have a"bersolek secare islam"thing(i dont know how to describe this,because its more of a class than a product selling).he is promoting all of his sevices on the booklet.there are some pictures of his operation,pictures of him teaching silat,putting a person on glass pieces n let a bike run through the abdomen of the person(n its not him who do it,i dont know y.he just observe from the side).

n the thing that is obviously wrong in his cd booklet is about this"bersolek secare islam"thing.he started 1st with all his bullshitting about"bersolek mengikut sunnah"and all,and at the end of the promotion he attaches 1 of the teaching in this class(maybe as a free promotional services).there he scanned a really old piece of"kromot2"paper which is just able to be read(maybe its from his note when he learnt about this).there he gives the method on what to do in front of your mirror.he said while u touch ur eyes,says "mim"(for mata),to touch nose u say "ha"(for hidung),"mim" and "dal" for other part of the face(i dont want to publish that since some people may do it and i may get"dosa"for that).

if ure a malay,u should know that "mim"ha"mim"dal" is the spelling for Muhammad in arabic.that thing is appropriate since it is a"bersolek secare islam".but as i wrote there,it is "mim"for mata,"ha"for hidung and so on.and i start to think"yaAllah,this is a mentera,n its obviously wrong for a muslim!!".if u still dont get why im thinking of that,its because our prophet Muhammad is from arab.how the hell he knows that mata is start from"mim",hidung is starting from"ha"?this is obviously some malay teachers that started this nonsense!n this is totally prohibited to be followed in islam!!!!

as a conclusion,for those who backed him up about"miracle given by God",alternative medicine etc,u need to know that this person is doing something against Islam.if u say its a miracle from God,i would rather says his unexplained medicine is by black magic.

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even if there is miracle in Islam medication, there is logical explanation how the treatment works, at least a muslim can understand in their own perspective. If there isn't any, suspicion is inevitable.
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Look what happens to JOHARI MANSOR now~

This NEWS is a BLESSING of some sort to all of us, this SCOUNDREL GOT WHAT HE DESERVED for cheating people, I am waiting for other people to file complaint against this man for his "SURGICAL SCAM".

He was convicted before and he is convicted again~ Truly he is a CRIMINAL.

Read thoroughly the following news and rejoice:

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Guru silat dipenjara


Oleh INTAN MAS AYU SHAHIMI
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2010/04/25
E-mel Artikel Cetak Artikel Tanda Artikel Besarkan Saiz Teks Kecilkan Saiz Teks Komen Artikel

JOHOR BAHRU: Seorang guru silat, pengamal perubatan tradisional dan broker tanah dijatuhi hukuman penjara tiga hingga enam tahun oleh Mahkamah Sesyen di sini semalam, selepas masing-masing didapati bersalah menipu seorang pengarah syarikat di Sarawak dalam urusan penjualan tanah bernilai RM9.3 juta di Jalan Skudai, 15 tahun lalu.
Hakim Sabariah Atan membuat keputusan itu selepas mendengar hujah pendakwaan dan pembelaan serta meneliti keterangan 43 saksi yang dipanggil sejak kes itu dibawa ke mahkamah pada Februari 1996.


Sabariah dalam penghakimannya berkata, keputusan mahkamah turut dibuat dengan mengambil kira tempoh perbicaraan ketiga-tiga tertuduh selain mempertimbangkan hak serta kepentingan awam.


Berdasarkan pertuduhan pertama, Johari Mansor, 52; Md Jhomi Md Supian, 56, dan Yap You Jee, 61, didakwa menipu Pengarah Syarikat Solid Estate (Sarawak) Sdn Bhd, Datuk Ding Lian Cheon dengan memperdaya mangsa untuk mempercayai tanah Lot 21448 dan Lot 1152 di Jalan Skudai adalah milik Kerajaan Negeri Johor.


Mereka juga mempengaruhi mangsa untuk percaya bahawa permohonan pembelian tanah berkenaan mendapat kelulusan Majlis Mesyuarat Negeri Johor hingga mendorong Ding mengeluarkan sekeping cek bernilai S$3,450,000 (kira-kira RM6.18 juta) atas nama Abdul Ghani Othman kepada tertuduh kedua (Mohd Jhomi) pada 13 Julai 1995.


Tidak cukup dengan itu, Johari yang lebih dikenali sebagai ‘Datuk Johari’ bersama Md Jhomi turut didakwa menipu Ding dengan memperdayakan mangsa berhubung pembatalan tuntutan premium hingga mendorong lelaki berkenaan menyerahkan wang tunai berjumlah RM2 juta di Hotel Hyatt Regency, Jalan Sungai Chat, di sini, pada 23 September 1995.


Md Jhomi kemudian bertindak lebih jauh apabila mengulangi perbuatan sama dengan memperdaya Ding supaya mempercayai dia (tertuduh) boleh mendapatkan kelulusan Majlis Mesyuarat Negeri Johor untuk melanjutkan pajakan mukim tanah berkenaan dari 99 tahun kepada 999 tahun, sekali gus mendorong mangsa menyerahkan wang tunai sebanyak RM1.3 juta.


Dia didakwa melakukan perbuatan itu di Hotel Hyatt Regency, Jalan Sungai Chat, di sini, antara 23 September hingga 27 Oktober 1995.


Berikutan kesalahan itu ketiga-tiga tertuduh didakwa mengikut Seksyen 420 Kanun Keseksaan yang dibaca bersama Seksyen 34 kerana menipu.


Terdahulu dalam hujahan yang dikemukakan pihak pendakwaan, Timbalan Pendakwa Raya, Dzulkifli Ahmad memohon mahkamah menjatuhkan hukuman setimpal terhadap semua tertuduh sebagai mencerminkan usaha serius kerajaan dalam menangani jenayah tipu di kalangan masyarakat.


“Selain mengambil kira kepentingan awam, mahkamah wajar menimbang semula semua faktor sampingan, termasuk jumlah wang RM9.3 juta yang terbabit dalam kes serta tindakan tertuduh yang mencemarkan nama Kerajaan Negeri Johor, Menteri Besar, Setiausaha Sulit Kerajaan Negeri dan parti politik yang dipimpin,” katanya.

Hasil pertimbangan mahkamah, Yap dihukum penjara tiga tahun manakala Johari dan Md Jhomi masing-masing dijatuhi hukuman penjara enam tahun, Sabariah bagaimanapun membenarkan semua tertuduh menjalani penangguhan hukuman hingga proses rayuan di Mahkamah Tinggi selesai dengan jaminan tambahan RM3,000 setiap seorang.
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Other similar story from other newspapers:

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ni&pg=bt_21.htm
http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_04.htm



I am thoroughly happy with this news. He got what is coming to him. Everyone Rejoice~!

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Added on June 18, 2010, 12:28 am



Reply from one of JOHARI MANSOR's son:

QUOTE(ketuekampong @ Jun 17 2010, 05:12 PM)
hehehe...

hiii u cybersetan..

i hope u remember u~

do yo remember rite..?

ok 1st thing..is..u are "genius"..coz u are the real scammer n cheat ppl u know..?

n for all of those..who follow this stupid person..sure know..cybersetan is talk big..if u want a prove..come bebeh..

i dare u all..coming to this cawangan..i want u all see with ur eyes..then..for u all follow his peson..i want to know answr after u all see the truth..where are u now stupid indian..?im just waiting for u..to come here~

for u all make a "konon2 prove la" come see me...i cannot stand down just wait u all talk ig..i m the son of the dato johari..i know everything..what my dad doing n what my dad know..if u all konon kuat islam..and this bertentang syariah..come here..and talk big in this forum..just like a kid..childish play~

cybersetan how old are u..?

12..?

hahahaha..

come suck ur mom tits..

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Nonetheless, the following is my reply:

It seems that this topic has finally got through to the Raden's (Johari) family.

Such horrible use of English language, embarrassing really...

I quote what he wrote:

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"i dae for those who stupid perso..come see this stupid indian write about my dad..how stupid this ppl..only make conclusion in sciene..not in al-quran..mmc..?just a stupid cybersetan..!!rawatan tradional maner ader kene mengena nan mmc la bodo..for who want blagak pndai..n want become nurse like u all know evrything come la here forum backing this stupid..or u all just stand back..talk big u cybersetan.!!wait u.." - RADEN MOHD MUSZAMIR @ ketuekampong
As all of you can see from the above reply given by ketuekampong @ RADEN MOHD MUSZAMIR son of RADEN JOHARI MANSOR, it somewhat reflects the level of education that he has or was provided to him, which is rather ironic when his own father claims to be a "PROFESSOR", a "DATO'" and even a "DOCTOR". As if all of us (Doctors, Nurses, Med.students, people who thinks logically without relying on blind faith) are imbeciles.

Here he is, a 19 year old boy:

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http://www.facebook.com/amer.raden.dhj
http://www.myspace.com/master_satisfaction

As much as I want to argue with a person such as this boy, it would seem pointless and a waste of my time. Why? just look at his reply above and assess weather one such as him is worth arguing with. I have given my arguments regarding this SCAM SURGERY in the previous posts in this topic and some members have put forth the Islamic point of view as well, he can read those and reply to those arguments if he wish.

Regarding the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), here is what being stated in the MEDICAL ACT 1971 about unregistered individuals that claims to be a "DOCTOR" and practices "MEDICINE AND SURGERY" without a license/registration.

Based on the Medical Act 1971, Part-V: General, under section 32: Offenses. It states:
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MEDICAL ACT 1971 / AKTA PERUBATAN 1971



Section 32. Fraudulent registration.

Every person who fraudulently procures or attempts to procure himself or any other person to be
registered by making or producing, or causing to be made or produced, any false or fraudulent
representation or declaration, either oral or in writing, shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.


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and I quote myself:
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Again I have to state the following regarding JOHARI MANSOR unless you have missed them:

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1. HE IS NOT A SURGEON/MEDICAL DOCTOR , PRACTICING ANY FORM OF SURGERY WITHOUT PROPER LICENSE AND QUALIFICATION IS AGAINST THE LAW. (HE IS NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL)

2. HE CLAIMS TO BE A PROFESSOR, A DATO' AND A MEDICAL DOCTOR.

3. HE WAS CONVICTED FOR POSSESSING CONTROLLED MEDICINE IS SABAH. (Which proves he IS NOT a registered Medical Doctor)

4. HE PRACTICES FAKE SURGERY WHICH IS EVIDENT FROM THE VIDEO CLIPS. (Browse through the previous arguments as to why I said this)



Insults aside, he has "invited" me and all of us here to see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY (SCAM)" in address stated in the first page of this topic.

I am VERY HAPPY that he did and I am more than willing to come, most likely I'll have some of my fellow friends (REAL Medical Doctors) that have similar interest in this matter to tag along with me.

I will quote his name to the Keraton staff when I come to visit, however, let it be known that I will not be able to come in the near future since I have to remain in India for the next 1.5+ years but NEVER assume that I will not be coming to this KERATON since it is of GREAT INTEREST to ME.

I've came across this interesting article from the magazine DEWAN MASYARAKAT by DBP, JULY 2009, it states:

QUOTE

From DEWAN MASYARAKAT, July 2009 -

Menyedari isu pembedahan batin yang semakin mendapat perhatian masyarakat, sidang editor Dewan Masyarakat mendapatkan pandangan Ketua Jabatan Surgeri, Pusat Perubatan Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia (PPUKM), Profesor Madya Dr. Razman Jarmin.

Menurut beliau terdapat dua kaedah perubatan yang diamalkan oleh kebanyakan pesakit - perubatan moden dan perubatan tradisional. Perubatan moden mempunyai prosedur ataupun ujian tertentu untuk mengesan penyakit, manakala rawatan batin berlandaskan kepercayaan semata-mata.

Terdapat pesakit yang percaya penyakit mereka semakin pulih setelah mendapatkan rawatan batin. Persoalannya, adakah sesuatu penyakit itu sembuh disebabkan rawatan tersebut? Dr. Razman juga tidak menolak kemungkinan penyembuhan penyakit berlaku secara kebetulan. Hal ini demikian kerana, beliau mendapati masih belum ada bukti empirikal yang dapat menyatakan keberkesanan pembedahan batin.

"Kami (pakar bedah) tidak menghalang pesakit mendapatkan rawatan alternatif kerana menjadi hak pesakit menentukan rawatan yang mereka mahukan. Namun terdapat banyak pesakit yang semakin teruk setelah membuat pembedahan batin." Jelas Dr. Razman

Menurut Dr Razman, faktor yang menyebabkan pembedahan batin begitu popular dalam kalangan pesakit adalah kerana perubatan tersebut lebih mudah dipercayai dan mudah tersebar dari mulut ke mulut.

"Saya cabar mereka kemukakan bukti. Jika benar mereka pakar dalam melakukan pembedahan tanpa meniggalkan kesan parut, saya berpendapat pengamal ini layak mendapat Anugerah Nobel," ujar Dr Razman yang mendakwa bahawa pakar perubatan moden juga sedang beusaha melakukan pembedahan tanpa kesan parut.

Pengarah Perubatan Tradisional dan Komplementari Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia (KKM), Dr Ramli Abdul Ghani, menjelaskan bahawa pembedahan batin bercanggah dengan konsep peubatan Islam dan perubatan moden
. Oleh hal demikian, kerajaan tidak mengiktiraf sebarang bentuk pembedahan batin.

Ketika melakukan perbincangan bersama-sama dengan Penasihat Persatuan Kebajikan dan Perubatan Islam Malaysia, Datuk Dr Harun Din, beliau menjelaskan bahawa pembedahan batin melibatkan penggunaan syaitan dan jin sebagai perantaraan.

"Kaedah tersebut semestinya membawa kepada khurafat dan syirik. Syirik merupakan dosa besar yang tidak diampunkan oleh Allah SWT. Banyak tokoh agama di Malaysia berpendapat bahawa mereka berasa waswas dengan pembedahan batin," ujar Dr Ramli
.


Finally, again, I leave it to all of you, dear forumers to judge for yourself between the "OPEN HEART SURGERY" by JOHARI MANSOR and REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGEONS:

OPEN HEART SURGERY - by "Dr" JOHARI MANSOR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCgogKE22y0



OPEN HEART SURGERY - by REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGERONS




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM4u2PXyBpg

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Well I Would Love To see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY" live.
from the video i really sure that it was fake...
even though the patient feels good after the treatment i'm sure it was just a placebo effect
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 27 2010, 11:51 PM)
Look what happens to JOHARI MANSOR now~

This NEWS is a BLESSING of some sort to all of us, this SCOUNDREL GOT WHAT HE DESERVED for cheating people, I am waiting for other people to file complaint against this man for his "SURGICAL SCAM".

He was convicted before and he is convicted again~ Truly he is a CRIMINAL.

Read thoroughly the following news and rejoice:

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Other similar story from other newspapers:

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ni&pg=bt_21.htm
http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_04.htm
I am thoroughly happy with this news. He got what is coming to him. Everyone Rejoice~!

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*Forum Moderators have deleted the above reply by "ketuekampong" while I was preparing my reply against it, most likely due to the racism and abusive language that he used, my thanks to the ever vigilant moderators  smile.gif
Nonetheless, the following is my reply:

It seems that this topic has finally got through to the Raden's (Johari) family.

Such horrible use of English language, embarrassing really...

I quote what he wrote:
As all of you can see from the above reply given by ketuekampong @ RADEN MOHD MUSZAMIR son of RADEN JOHARI MANSOR, it somewhat reflects the level of education that he has or was provided to him, which is rather ironic when his own father claims to be a "PROFESSOR", a "DATO'" and even a "DOCTOR". As if all of us (Doctors, Nurses, Med.students, people who thinks logically without relying on blind faith) are imbeciles.

Here he is, a 19 year old boy:

http://www.facebook.com/amer.raden.dhj
http://www.myspace.com/master_satisfaction

As much as I want to argue with a person such as this boy, it would seem pointless and a waste of my time. Why? just look at his reply above and assess weather one such as him is worth arguing with. I have given my arguments regarding this SCAM SURGERY in the previous posts in this topic and some members have put forth the Islamic point of view as well, he can read those and reply to those arguments if he wish.

Regarding the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), here is what being stated in the MEDICAL ACT 1971 about unregistered individuals that claims to be a "DOCTOR" and practices "MEDICINE AND SURGERY" without a license/registration.

Based on the Medical Act 1971, Part-V: General, under section 32: Offenses. It states:
and I quote myself:
Insults aside, he has "invited" me and all of us here to see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY (SCAM)" in address stated in the first page of this topic.

I am VERY HAPPY that he did and I am more than willing to come, most likely I'll have some of my fellow friends (REAL Medical Doctors) that have similar interest in this matter to tag along with me.

I will quote his name to the Keraton staff when I come to visit, however, let it be known that I will not be able to come in the near future since I have to remain in India for the next 1.5+ years but NEVER assume that I will not be coming to this KERATON since it is of GREAT INTEREST to ME.

I've came across this interesting article from the magazine DEWAN RAKYAT by DBP, JULY 2009, it states:
Finally, again, I leave it to all of you, dear forumers to judge for yourself between the "OPEN HEART SURGERY" by JOHARI MANSOR and REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGEONS:

OPEN HEART SURGERY - by "Dr" JOHARI MANSOR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCgogKE22y0

OPEN HEART SURGERY - by REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGERONS




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM4u2PXyBpg
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why should i embarrased..?yeah i know my english is bad..but im still not dumb like u..my dad doing this business almost 30 years old..still steady n still many customers want see my dad...y are u jealous..?i dare u just come here and see with your eyes..dont always hoo-haa hoohaa only =) where are u know..?just come here la and i cant wait want record your face seeing my father do surgery infront of you =) when you want to come..?look..i see your comment said you in india..?ok i wait you come here =) ..if u all hear only one side that not make a sense..just come and see with your eyes..yeah that my myspace and fb..why..?you want do me popular or what..?hihihi thanks anyway..then add me =) "kid"


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QUOTE(pqweb @ Jun 18 2010, 01:27 AM)
Well I Would Love To see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY" live.
from the video i really sure that it was fake... 
even though the patient feels good after the treatment i'm sure it was just a placebo effect
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oh you sure is a FAKE like you said..?

then see with your eyes..come sentol.. =)


Added on June 18, 2010, 3:58 ami know my father was doing right..for help people..and you just like "jealous" n cant do what my father do..many all of them patient is now already fully healed..many of ppl already see infront there eyes..my father give them all record because want people know that not a cheat or scam like cybersetaniroojim said..why you always talked like a kid..?just come here and see with your eyes..?is up to you want believe it or not..but you mistake..want make a conclusion without investigate..just come here and investigate your self..if want the truth..if you always hoo-haahoohaa~..if them all dont want do surgery with my dad just nevermind la~coz many of them already trust my dad because my dad is the truth..many video is already record with patient's nearest cousin..not from me or someone else..and many prove of this video is the truth..is up to you want to believe it or not..if u all believe in surgery modern just go to the modern..and dont ruined my family business..cause you all dont know anything because u all only like a kid..just come to sentul and see with your eyes..wasted my time to chit chat with setanirojim u know..?dont wasted your time with your jealousy..wated your time to talk like this..i dare you all just come and see the truth..dont make a conclusion like you all "very genius man" .. weee peace setan..! =)


Added on June 18, 2010, 4:14 amyou want to compare with modern and traditional..?sure you just like dr insane..i dont know want to call u a low brain or what..haizzz...only wasted your time with MMC blah blah blah~like kesha sing u know..?if your dad got sick setan...just come to my dad..i give you low price or free only.. =) peace setan..haizz..talk with setan is hard..just like im talk with a kid..always want win without investigate..hihihihi..anyway kid..21/6 you going school or not..?i hope you not truancy =) u need more learn kid..try to learn investigate 1st then make a conclusion..not before investigate you already chop my dad is a scam..?cheat..?or something else..?where are u from..?sipitang sabah..?sabah also got my father branch..heeee...u know what..?im dont want stop comment in your forum until you come here and investigate your self..and im not scared to chat in here..in public..because i know my father more than you know and more than anyone else know..think before u do this topic =) kid..peace setanirojim =)

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QUOTE(lightonokira @ May 16 2010, 05:59 PM)
Mata in arabic is Ainun/Ain

Nose/Hidung is Anfun/Anf

NO SUCH THING!
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thanx 4 d further description.dats y i said its totally malay-borne practice.

to ketuekampong,dont b so mad boy.dont act like a kid.TS say many thinks and he provided"evidences".n u fight him back by giving faulty words?if u know dat ur father is right,then counter his evidences.proof dat his evidence is wrong.not simply by saying"come to sentul n watch".in dis era(if ure in it), people no longer believe in wut called"seeing is believing".to believe,we require evidence n explaination.ur evidence will back u up on wut ure saying.n if u cud provide proves,itll help ur father getting more patients.

u know ur father well,but we dont.n dats y we r not bias.we see the arguments freely.u said dat we hear only 1 side n starts making conclusion,then y dont u let us hear wut is on d other side?so far we only read dirty words from u to TS.n is dat how d other side look like?ure d best person to see from both sides.u have ur own opinion,n u know wut written in dis thread(i assume).then y dun u use ur best view to criticize back TS?

be good n mature boy.its ur time to prove ur father.think dis as opportunity,not as a threat.to stand up for ur father is to tell good things about him,not to show how bad-mouthed his son is.

if were not kaji-ing al-quran,y dun u provide which part of al-quran(or hadis) ur father was referring?at least on d part where i commented.it shud be enough.ill believe ur father is not a scam if ure able to do so friend.dun b angry n write helplessly,but b calm n BANG TS(maybe me) maturely smile.gif
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Thank you TS!!I really appreciate your effort in warning us about this ridiculous fraud.
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yes... i agree with what rarap says... we need prove... prove me that i'm wrong... not just by simply saying come to sentul...
it's hard to believe just like that because same thing happen before in malaysia about this sort of thing called magic healer...







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how to prove if u dont come to branch..? =)

if u really2 need proove just come watch n see urself...is that simple is it..?

ok see ya..

cybersetan..

i dont know y u hate my dad..

but i forgive u =)

neway u can just come take a piece prove 1st ok..

and if u all want proove just make an appoint at sentul branch..

ok.. =) see ya..
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so when's the trip..(i'm in sabah so might need pre-arrangement)? Maybe I'll try to bring some medico-lego friends along so that we may arrest him on the spot if need be wink.gif
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oh my! clicked on cyberskull siggy only found out.

those scissor ..........lolz wth.... got sterilize ?

1st time I see people use those stationary scissor to cut meat stuff...

even cooking, we also don't use those stuff.

This johari is a joker. I wonder how much he make per month?

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QUOTE(Starleo1212 @ Jun 18 2010, 10:05 PM)
Thank you TS!!I really appreciate your effort in warning us about this ridiculous fraud.
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You are most welcomed. It is important that matter such as this be constantly reminded so that the people can remain vigilant against health frauds not only in Malaysia but the rest of the world as well.


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oh my! clicked on cyberskull siggy only found out.

those scissor ..........lolz wth.... got sterilize ?

1st time I see people use those stationary scissor to cut meat stuff...

even cooking, we also don't use those stuff.

This johari is a joker. I wonder how much he make per month?

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well... Charlatans make a lot of money from those swindled by them. However, the blame is not theirs alone, the lack of peoples' awareness regarding current quackeries is partly responsible as well.

One can judge for oneself if a treatment is quack or not.


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so when's the trip..(i'm in sabah so might need pre-arrangement)? Maybe I'll try to bring some medico-lego friends along so that we may arrest him on the spot if need be wink.gif
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Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, I am currently in India and it will be another 1.5+ years before I'm back in Malaysia for good.
Your enthusiasm in this matter is appreciated. smile.gif

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wah. got people scamming like this. its all coz the general crowd out there. they're willing to believe in miracles and magic so easily. that's why cases like this can happen. this is really a disgrace as i'm in the medical field as well(still student) biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(murv90 @ Jul 3 2010, 11:01 PM)
wah. got people scamming like this. its all coz the general crowd out there. they're willing to believe in miracles and magic so easily. that's why cases like this can happen. this is really a disgrace as i'm in the medical field as well(still student) biggrin.gif.
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The bigger joke is that we are letting this happen and are powerless against it. MMA has no authority over him coz he's not a registered doctor. Pharmacy enforcement can't do anything as long as he does not possess controlled medicines. The is liable under the penal code for fraud, but the police are not doing anything.
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u r right cybersetan..
totally fake..This guy been caught because of fraud..
his a professional fraudster..
claim to have phd, qualified chemist, dato' and all the title are scam..
save your money guys...trust me.i live near his place...
his well known by our residents as a professional fraudster..
TOO ALL MALAYSIAN, especially the malay community.dont let urself being fool by him...
Believe in GOD not those who get profit (rm2000-3000) from u with this medical crap..


Added on July 24, 2010, 5:15 amthe trick of the psychic surgery..
watch this video,then you all know how they do it...
people become a wealthy rich by being a con...
poor and pity to those who have been spending for this medical crap..
this tecniques have been famous in phillipines before..
GOD have given us brain to think....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBvdcy_Mi34

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QUOTE(ketuekampong @ Jun 21 2010, 02:13 AM)
how to prove if u dont come to branch..? =)

if u really2 need proove just come watch n see urself...is that simple is it..?

ok see ya..

cybersetan..

i dont know y u hate my dad..

but i forgive u =)

neway u can just come take a piece prove 1st ok..

and if u all want proove just make an appoint at sentul branch..

ok.. =) see ya..
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those in the videos were just fake or the people were fake to help him promote?


may be just wait the korean video guys like they did on the one that using electric/eggs to scam, to find out the truth of fake rclxms.gif

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Testimoni Pengalaman Benar Keluarga saya di kenakan bayaran RM10,000.00
untuk pembedahan serupa dilakukan diatas yang sebenarnya tak ubah
seperti sebuah SET-UP pembikinan drama. Bila kami dipanggil masuk ke bilik
pembedahan itu, segala permainannya sudah diatur untuk ditayangkan.
Kami tidak dibenarkan menyentuh apa-apa tapi saya yang was-was dgn
pertunjukan itu sempat mengambil dan menyorokkan sampel cebisan daging
yang dipotong, kami hanya dapat melihat separuh jalan sahaja, kemudian kami
diarah keluar dari bilik itu, dan apabila selesai kami membawa ahli keluarga kami
(pesakit) keluar dari klinik tersebut dan semakin keliru apabila kami dapati
cebisan daging itu tadi bukan daging tetapi sesuatu yang lain dan bukan daging,
dan darah yang ada pada daging itu pula tidak menjadi kering tetapi masih melekit, berminyak
dan bukan darah. Saya percaya ramai yang terpegun dan sudah terpedaya dan menjadi
mangsa penipuan dan kehabisan banyak wang kepadanya tetapi tidak mahu melaporkan
kepada pihak polis kerana khuatir atau malu digelar "kalut" atau percaya kepada "tahyul" bomoh.
Johari Mansor ini sudah ditangkap polis dan dia sedang didakwa kerana menipu.



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JOHARI MANSOR - KERATON - MENGANIAYA NAMA ISLAM
Testimoni Pengalaman Benar Keluarga saya di kenakan bayaran RM10,000.00untuk pembedahan serupa dilakukan diatas yang sebenarnya tak ubah seperti sebuah SET-UP pembikinan drama. Bila kami dipanggil masuk ke bilik pembedahan itu, segala permainannya sudah diatur untuk ditayangkan.
Kami tidak dibenarkan menyentuh apa-apa tapi saya yang was-was dgn pertunjukan itu sempat mengambil dan menyorokkan sampel cebisan daging yang dipotong, kami hanya dapat melihat separuh jalan sahaja, kemudian kami diarah keluar dari bilik itu, dan apabila selesai kami membawa ahli keluarga kami(pesakit) keluar dari klinik tersebut dan semakin keliru apabila kami dapati cebisan daging itu tadi bukan daging tetapi sesuatu yang lain dan bukan daging, dan darah yang ada pada daging itu pula tidak menjadi kering tetapi masih melekit, berminyak dan bukan darah. Saya percaya ramai yang terpegun dan sudah terpedaya dan menjadi mangsa penipuan dan kehabisan banyak wang kepadanya tetapi tidak mahu melaporkan kepada pihak polis kerana khuatir atau malu digelar "kalut" atau percaya kepada "tahyul" bomoh.
Johari Mansor ini sudah ditangkap polis dan dia sedang didakwa kerana menipu, mungkin dia boleh terlepas kerana banyak duit tapi yang penting dia tidak akan terlepas dari perhitungan akhirat nanti. Sungguh memalukan orang seperti ini menggunakan nama Islam dan bangsa Melayu untuk mencari kekayaan, kemudian bagi anak2nya makan! Astaghfirullah!

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OMG...malaysia also got magic trick like this...WAH!!! interesting.....
secret hypnotic words...in the name of ***** (censored..then ISA come)...I heal u....
I will reach your heart and pull it out as if you have no bones in between. brows.gif

utter crappy bullshit....well its a total profit oriented ripoff that these people have managed to con and cheat their way through.
most likely those certificates that's from indon was paid for and bought...nowadays dato titles are on the market...
give the right amount of money and you can get one. has anyone seen Sami Velu's educational credentials? totally awesome.
Same goes for this crap here. Good thing that you raised it up TS. Awesome magic tricks in display....
should send the Masked Magician to reveal the tricks in breaking the magicans code!!...hahaha... thumbup.gif

well wat to do...as they say...bapa borek, anak rintik...bapa korek, anak rampas..... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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gosh this is giving Islam a bad name, no wonder people have negative perspective about Islam

honestly, I don't believe this, hopefully the authorities will take action about this soon
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please don't blame the religion, but blame the person/practitioner.

All religion told the follower to do good things, it just the person it self who do the bad things.
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please don't blame the religion, but blame the person/practitioner.

All religion told the follower to do good things, it just the person it self who do the bad things.
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well i agree with you...its not the religion...but the people/person/practitioner/preachers....they are the abuser...
religions are there for a reason, to guide u to the rite path. but these fanatics...and worst fanatics are found here in Malaysia...
have misused this and have reap tonz of profit under the religion's name.

but with these people hiding behind the name of their religion and god, what can others do. spreading the word of their malpractice also can indirectly turn to become a racial war...again with fanatics driving the up the wrong reasons. Then with our beloved government, no point for me to continue here.... doh.gif doh.gif
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this scam centre are already close or not?
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I think i'll make it simple for my Malay Muslim friends that still "atas pagar"

1) I love truth
2) Islam is true
3) I love Islam

So don't be afraid to ask for proof when people claim certain things. Of course they will question your faith or some crap but like I said, I love TRUTH. It applies to all

So please don't get back talked by these scammers. Hold your ground and deny these fakers

or

Become a faker yourself and scam people money. Just don't forget to treat all the LYN members when u get rich smile.gif
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Update:

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From (source): http://www.mediafire.com/?mm7bq1ocd595ad1

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Assalamualaikum Mahaguru58,

    I am keen to join the investigation of the truthfulness of the psychic surgeries done at Pusat Perubatan Keraton. I am a gynecological surgeon, and even though I am not a general surgeon, I have done enough surgeries over 30 years to know what to look for.

    I have also been exposed to many "supernatural" phenomena and "psychic" healings and surgeries, some of which I have written in my column in The Star ("Art of Qi/Art of Healing" in SundayStar Fit4Life), so I can approach this matter with an open mind.

   My initial impression after viewing the videos is that the "surgeries" are fake because:

    1) During the surgeries done on the abdomen, the abdominal wall layers are absent (skin, subcutaneous fat which is usually thick, rectus sheath/aponeurosis, etc). You have to know anatomy to understand this, that's why it is easy for non-medical people to be hoodwinked.

    2)in the videos, We never get to see the incision being done, something crucial to know what is being cut open

    3)in the video, Even "heart" surgery is done on the abdomen!

    4)the "blood" always looks pale and artificial. If you have done surgery you will know what fresh blood looks like. I admit that his method may involve little bleeding, but somehow all that "blood" in the videos doesn't look like blood.

    5) in the videos, I note that the drapes totally cover the operated area and there is no way to tell if the "surgery" is being done on something put on top of the patient's abdomen (under the drape) instead of him cutting open the patient's abdomen as we are made to believe. Therefore I am not surprised that there is no scar when the plaster was removed.


    I may have more comments to add later after viewing more videos.

    I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, not that I doubt the possibility of such surgery (with ALLAH's permission, anything is possible), but because what I see in the videos look fake (I may be wrong).

    Since there are reports of patients being cured as well as being conned by him (from your blog and comments on YouTube), I think it is important that we investigate this matter together.

    The videos may be genuine (no digital tricks), but the surgeries may be fake. It takes a surgeon to know if a surgery is real or not.

    Please arrange:

    1) for me to interview and get the medical reports of patients planned for surgery by him

    2)for me to watch the surgeries at close range, instead of just relying on videos

    3)for me to get the tissues or whatever removed so I can send to the laboratory for verification.

    4) we can also interview and get medical reports of his previous patients (medical reports to confirm that after surgery they were cured of their disease or tumour/growth/cancer).

    If he is not willing to abide by these conditions, then there is no way we can ascertain whether he is genuine or not.

    Since he has also been found guilty of cheating 15 years ago (although his appeal is pending), it is important that we are sure that we are not helping him cheat more people this way.

    On the other hand, if he is a genuine spiritual healer, then the people need to know that he can really help cure them of their health problems, since doctors still cannot cure many diseases.

    I await your response. Selamat berpuasa.

Dr Amir Farid Isahak


    Monday, 16 August, 2010



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Wa'alaikumsalam Dr. Amir.

    Thank you for sending in your comments as well on this subject matter.

    I more than welcome medical doctors like your dear self to co-investigate this serious issue.

    Just like everyone else, I too am quite concerned and wish to get to the bottom of this 'miracle healing'.

    I am quite busy with my work at the moment. I will contact Prof. Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansor after Aidil Fitri and try to get an appointment with him where I'd like you and probably this Cybersetan to be present. Other surgeons who would like to be present can contact me and give me their details.

    Lets do it after Raya, Insya Allah.



Anyone in Malaysia would like to join?

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Some people are misunderstanding the concept of 'faith healing' and 'alternative medicine'. Believing in Allah s.w.t. is as simple as praying to Him religiously. Believe that Allah swt will help you get through this ordeal. It might work as everything is in God's hand.

But modern/alternative medicine interferes that a little. People come and believe in the doctor/bomoh, not Allah swt! There's a difference to that. The placebo effect might still take effect and cure some simple illness but chronic ones are somewhat impossible.

Those are merely my point of view but next would be the hard evidence.

The so called alternative medicine usually involves traditional medicine and bomoh. No physical interaction is done other than touching the patient themselves. But in this case, it is clear he cut open a person. There is no miracle in this world that a scar wouldn't develop afterward. Heck in the 'open hear surgery', he took out a part and shove it back in and hopes it connects back? That is plain illogical. I'm not going to deny faith healing but faith healing DOES NOT break the law of this world. No such thing as a miracle of a scar disappearing after being cut open or an organ miraculously reconnects after being shoved back in. Plus where in the world is the ribs? He doesn't have a rib or something? This kind of 'miracle' does not exist during the Prophet's time nor will it now. It will never exist.
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QUOTE(ketuekampong @ Jun 18 2010, 03:39 AM)
why should i embarrased..?yeah i know my english is bad..but im still not dumb like u..my dad doing this business almost 30 years old..still steady n still many customers want see my dad...y are u jealous..?i dare u just come here and see with your eyes..dont always hoo-haa hoohaa only =) where are u know..?just come here la and i cant wait want record your face seeing my father do surgery infront of you =) when you want to come..?look..i see your comment said you in india..?ok i wait you come here =) ..if u all hear only one side that not make a sense..just come and see with your eyes..yeah that my myspace and fb..why..?you want do me popular or what..?hihihi thanks anyway..then add me =) "kid"


Added on June 18, 2010, 3:41 am
oh you sure is a FAKE like you said..?

then see with your eyes..come sentol.. =)


Added on June 18, 2010, 3:58 ami know my father was doing right..for help people..and you just like "jealous" n cant do what my father do..many all of them patient is now already fully healed..many of ppl already see infront there eyes..my father give them all record because want people know that not a cheat or scam like cybersetaniroojim said..why you always talked like a kid..?just come here and see with your eyes..?is up to you want believe it or not..but you mistake..want make a conclusion without investigate..just come here and investigate your self..if want the truth..if you always hoo-haahoohaa~..if them all dont want do surgery with my dad just nevermind la~coz many of them already trust my dad because my dad is the truth..many video is already record with patient's nearest cousin..not from me or someone else..and many prove of this video is the truth..is up to you want to believe it or not..if u all believe in surgery modern just go to the modern..and dont ruined my family business..cause you all dont know anything because u all only like a kid..just come to sentul and see with your eyes..wasted my time to chit chat with setanirojim u know..?dont wasted your time with your jealousy..wated your time to talk like this..i dare you all just come and see the truth..dont make a conclusion like you all "very genius man" .. weee peace setan..! =)


Added on June 18, 2010, 4:14 amyou want to compare with modern and traditional..?sure you just like dr insane..i dont know want to call u a low brain or what..haizzz...only wasted your time with MMC blah blah blah~like kesha sing u know..?if your dad got sick setan...just come to my dad..i give you low price or free only.. =) peace setan..haizz..talk with setan is hard..just like im talk with a kid..always want win without investigate..hihihihi..anyway kid..21/6 you going school or not..?i hope you not truancy =) u need more learn kid..try to learn investigate 1st then make a conclusion..not before investigate you already chop my dad is a scam..?cheat..?or something else..?where are u from..?sipitang sabah..?sabah also got my father branch..heeee...u know what..?im dont want stop comment in your forum until you come here and investigate your self..and im not scared to chat in here..in public..because i know my father more than you know and more than anyone else know..think before u do this topic =) kid..peace setanirojim =)
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dude ur not embarrassed ur father is con man? not bout this bomoh stuff, but about land fraud cases lol.
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QUOTE(1kbps @ Aug 17 2010, 12:51 PM)
dude ur not embarrassed ur father is con man? not bout this bomoh stuff, but about land fraud cases lol.
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nope at all dude becoz i believe 100% my father do the right thing =) , so why must i suppost to shamed..?
make an appoinment..see ur self..i dun care about this post anymore but u know why..?still got patient wanna meet my father dude =) .. so who care..?want believe just believe..if u dunwant to believe u want me to do what..??kill u..?lol..hahaha..wasted my time only u know..just dunwant to believe..go to take care ur self..if u thing u do the right thing..why u dunwant meet face to face..?then ask my father..??only chitchat in here,then make only add ur sin..?about land fraud its about 15 years ago dude..i dunt care about that,but i do believe that my father is right..dude,u know all of this called what..?

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QUOTE(ketuekampong @ Aug 18 2010, 04:54 PM)
nope at all dude becoz i believe 100% my father do the right thing =) , so why must i suppost to shamed..?
make an appoinment..see ur self..i dun care about this post anymore but u know why..?still got patient wanna meet my father dude =) .. so who care..?want believe just believe..if u dunwant to believe u want me to do what..??kill u..?lol..hahaha..wasted my time only u know..just dunwant to believe..go to take care ur self..if u thing u do the right thing..why u dunwant meet face to face..?then ask my father..??only chitchat in here,then make only add ur sin..?about land fraud its about 15 years ago dude..i dunt care about that,but i do believe that my father is right..dude,u know all of this called what..?

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It's ok, dude.

They'll be meeting your father soon.
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haha lawak gler dr giler power nie , bedah jantung senang gler, ingat tulang manusai tu lembut cam kapas,
ade org tu ngaku medical student... ts tye mane blaja xjwb?
thx share ts.

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QUOTE(ketuekampong @ Aug 18 2010, 04:54 PM)
nope at all dude becoz i believe 100% my father do the right thing =) , so why must i suppost to shamed..?
make an appoinment..see ur self..i dun care about this post anymore but u know why..?still got patient wanna meet my father dude =) .. so who care..?want believe just believe..if u dunwant to believe u want me to do what..??kill u..?lol..hahaha..wasted my time only u know..just dunwant to believe..go to take care ur self..if u thing u do the right thing..why u dunwant meet face to face..?then ask my father..??only chitchat in here,then make only add ur sin..?about land fraud its about 15 years ago dude..i dunt care about that,but i do believe that my father is right..dude,u know all of this called what..?

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jealousy? lol. dude, i just saying bout land fraud, not about bomoh stuff, because that thing i never believe in it. no matter what 15 years ago or 1000 years ago, fraud still fraud rite?
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It's ok, dude.

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yeah..fast2 meet..then open eyes n mind.. smile.gif
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Added on August 17, 2010, 10:23 am Update - Claim by victims (more will be added) - see 1st page:

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"Salam....

Maaf kerana saya lewat membalas msg ni...untuk pengetahuan semua, emak & nenek saya telah membuat rawatan di pusat rawatan keraton di bndr baru sentol,kl pada jan 08, itupun kerana desakan dari bapa saudara yang terlalu yakin akan rawatan ini.

Untuk pengetahuan semua mak saya mengidap penyakit kanser dan nenek saya ketumbuhan didalam otak...Sampai di sana, seperti pesakit lain kami d suruh utk mengisi borang dimana borang itu terdpt pantang larang & juga perjnjian jika berlaku apa2 kita tak boleh mengambil tindakan......

pandai betul si wak raden ni kan.......so...bila kite nak saman @ report polis pun kita tak bleh la nak menang coz kite dah sain surat perjanjian tu....so sampai la giliran mak saya untuk mendapatkan rawatan....dan saudara terdekat bolehlah merakam pembedahan secara ‘live’ tu...

bapa saudara saya yg merakam pembedahan tersebut, saya hanya memerhati di luar, di tingkap kecil..memang la masa kite tngok memang Nampak real sangat2 pembedahan tu...tapi bila mak saya selesai je pembedahan tersebut..hati mak saya rasa memang tak sedap.......mak saya kata macam kene tipu hidup-hidup..coz nak tau apa yg dia buat kat mak saya dlm bilik tu...mak saya disuruh baring....

lepas tu mengucap..& mak saya kata keliling tmpt dia baring tu ada macam2 bentuk keris ada ...lepas tu si raden ni akan sapu minyak panas di tmpt yg nak dibedah tu sambil mulut dia membaca sesuatu mentera...di leher dan diperut...dia buat ni dalam keadaan mak saya sedar..lepas tu dia akan letak satu sekeping kain tebal diatas badan mak saya...ITULAH DIA PENIPUAN YG DIA BUAT..KAIN TEBAL TU LA DIA LETAK PERUT PALSU YG ADA HATI KE JANTUNG KE DAN MACAM2 LA..KONONNYA DIA NAK BELAH SECARA LIVE PERUT KITA...PADA HAL DIA DAH CIPTA PERUT PALSU DAH...so bila dia dah siap letak PERUT PALSU TU...dia akan panggil org yg nak rakam pembedahan tu masuk...

masa tu kita yg tngok ni memang la rasa real sangat......konon la dia bedah guna pisau lepas tu keluar le segala benda yg kononnya dia kata toksid dalam badan....nampakla dia selak hati....selak jantung..........kononnya real sangat la.....tapi padahal kita di tipu hidup2.......selepas pembedahan selesai kami diminta membayar sebanyak RM6260!!

Termasuk ubat apa2 entah.... bayaran tu sebab buat 2 tmpt iaitu di leher dan di perut..........tu baru mak saya.........nenek saya pun serupa....tapi ni lagi real.........siap ketuk kepala nenek dgn tukul......hahahahahaha.........kelakar betul.....kene tipu betul....mak& nenek saya memang sedar masa dia buat tu....tapi tak dengar pun apa dia buat....si raden ni dah baca dah macam2 leee...nenek saya pulak kene bayar RM3000 lebih....satu pembedahan je...cuba korang bayangkan 1 org RM3000 sehari 30 orng....sebulan dah berapa si raden ni dapat duit....tu yg dia boleh pakai kete yg berapa juta harga dia tu.....

kalu la betul2 alim kan...untuk yg sesiapa penah pegi la kan...cuba korang tngok yg jaga kauter tu...pakai tudung macam nak tak nak je...kat belakang kluar ekor...yg lelaki ada yg rambut panjang.........lu pk la sendiri.......so nak jadi citer...mak saya memang tak puas hati....

Genap je sebulan lepas tu mak saya pegi balik ke tempat tu...tujuan utama nak mintak balik duit RM6000 lebih tu...bila sampai giliran mak saya...apalagi....mak saya sembur la dengan macam2 kata2 kesat...macam2 la mak saya ugut.....last2 sekali wak raden pun sain la cek balik.........dia takut mak saya bawa ke tengah kes ni..dia pun tengok mak saya dia macam berani semacam je so dpt le balik duit kami.....alhamdulillah berkat rezeki yang halal kami dapat balik duit kami.........."



...more update will be added to the 1st page.

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Added on August 17, 2010, 10:23 am Update - Claim by victims (more will be added) - see 1st page:
...more update will be added to the 1st page.
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Nice find mate.... So the son of the fraud has anything else to say?
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Btw, if you Google 'Pusat Rawatan Keraton' .. this thread is the first result smile.gif
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its amazing what false hope and promises can do to cloud peoples judgement.
just curious, how long has this miracle treatment been going on?
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QUOTE(tjinn @ Aug 23 2010, 01:29 AM)
its amazing what false hope and promises can do to cloud peoples judgement.
just curious, how long has this miracle treatment been going on?
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This 'miracle surgery' has been going on for a VERY long time.....

I recall seeing a video of this 'surgery' when I was still in form 1 in Sabah when the Seni Silat Gerak Kilat came to my school to promote their martial art and that was in 1996. Of course back then I was still a dumb fool budak mentah who knows nothing of surgery/anatomy/medicine and may believe anything out of the ordinary (that is no longer the case).~ smile.gif


(JOHARI MANSOR is the founder of this Silat)

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form 1.. i'm sure we all were.. i'm actually kinda shocked now. i'm also a med student here in india like u. if i had the chance to witness his surgery i would love to.
never seen such a successful quack b4.
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make sure u win bro!!! we are all on ur side!
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win or lose doesnt matter dude smile.gif ..cybersetan said want come to see my father after raya rite..?wheee..when2..???let me know dude smile.gif

im sooo excited to seeing u all~

hope after u see,i need interview 1 by one..can..?what to know what they feel..?hee smile.gif neway SELAMAT HARI RAYA MAAF ZAHIR & BATIN too all muslim..
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QUOTE(ketuekampong @ Sep 30 2010, 07:17 AM)
win or lose doesnt matter dude smile.gif ..cybersetan said want come to see my father after raya rite..?wheee..when2..???let me know dude smile.gif

im sooo excited to seeing u all~

hope after u see,i need interview 1 by one..can..?what to know what they feel..?hee smile.gif neway SELAMAT HARI RAYA MAAF ZAHIR & BATIN too all muslim..
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I'm not even in Malaysia right now and I never said I'll be seeing your father after raya.

That will be initiated by Mahaguru58 (Zainol Abideen) and Dr.Amir Farid Isahak (Gynecological surgeon) after raya.

Zainol Abideen (Mahaguru58): http://www.blogger.com/profile/00936004838086652680
Dr. Amir Farid Isahak: http://www.blogger.com/profile/04013618759955206438

Lets recap what have been stated:

Claim by a patient:
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Challenge by Dr.Amir Farid Isahak (a TRUE SURGEON) to "Dr" Johari Mansor (a QUACK):

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and the offer by Mahaguru58 to go investigate this "Pusat Rawatan Keraton" after raya:

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Indeed it is, just google "Pusat Rawatan Keraton" or "Johari Mansor" or even "Raden Muszamir" (aka Ketuekampong son of Johari Mansor)...

It will show this thread as amongst the first few top results in google.

That "Pusat Rawatan Keraton" now doesn't even have its own website since they have brought it down.


...however this can be found:

http://pusatrawatankeraton.blogspot.com/20...an-keraton.html

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This news is somewhat related:

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Published: Friday October 1, 2010 MYT 6:50:00 PM

Kelantan folk prefer bomoh for cancer treatment

KOTA BARU: The people in Kelantan prefer going to traditional medicine practitioners or bomoh for cancer treatment rather than doctors at government hospitals.

Health Ministry's medical development director, Datuk Dr Azmi Shapie, said it was because of that the condition of cancer patients worsened.

"For example in the case of breast cancer. Many women who suffer from it have some swelling of about 1 to 2cm. They are confirmed cancer patients and the hospital wants them to go for treatment, like chemotherapy, etc.

"Many of them say they want to go home first and discuss with their family, but the truth is they go to see the bomoh," he told reporters after the Malaysian Oncology Association Annual Scientific Congress here Friday.

He said there were various treatments offered by traditional medicine practitioners, purportedly to cure cancer, like massage to make the swelling disappear, without the patients realising that such a treatment could worsen their condition.

Dr Azmi said there was no proof that traditional medicine or massage could cure cancer.

"When their situation worsens or has reached a critical stage, they come to see the doctors at the hospitals, but by then it it often too late," he added. - Bernama


source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5855&sec=nation



no wonder quacks continue to flourish~

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Salam,

About 2 weeks ago a friend of mine introduced me to this "interesting" alternative medical practice of Pusat Rawatan Keraton because I refused to go for a simple conventional rhinitis surgery. In 1997 I walked away Dr Chan's clinic in Pantai Medical Center, KL because he does not want to treat or see me again if I don't agree to go for the simple surgery. From then on till to date, I only visit ENT specialist who wanted to treat me without surgery. Thus I have been suffering every now and then from my seasonal acute sinusitis.

However after seeing the videos at youtube, I have real doubt about Pusat Rawatan Keraton for two reasons
(1) 'Dr' Johari does not need to 'perform' such 'surgeries' if he is a real practitioner of 'faith healer' - in my opinion those 'surgeries' discredited him more as everybody knows they are not real surgeries and I am sure if the patients were not covered by the green cloth, we can all see what he was operating on; and
(2) a faith healer "normally" has a totally different approach from conventional medical practitioners - thus why all the surgeries. I have visited Darul Syifa which is directly managed by Dr Harun Din and experienced it for myself.

I believe in alternative medicine and miracles as there a many things in this world that science cannot explain (being a muslim I also believe that Allah is the ultimate and the decider - however Allah also ask us to seek help and medical attention). I have also visited many other alternative medical practitioners around KL and it is interesting to experience and understand their different approaches to human well being. However, I don't think I will visit Pusat Rawatan Keraton because I don't know what 'Dr' Johari is doing as to me he is neither a medical doctor nor a faith healer.

Since 'Dr' Johari has operated on many people over the past 30 years, it would be good if we can get information on at least 50% of all his patients and do a compilation of patients condition of health before and after surgery (to be attested by conventional medical practitioners).

I would also like to thank 'Cybersetan" for starting this forum.


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i think this fella use genie (jin) to do their job. or they just cheat to the people using techniques.

let me remind u, if the this so called Dr using jin which is not using Al-Quran or Islam ways, this will lead to syirik. which is a very big sin for muslim people.

this should be stop if it is a scam.
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It seems that Mahaguru58 have removed everything regarding Pusat Rawatan Keraton from both his blog and youtube. In my opinion, I believe that he already realized that he was wrong about Pusat Rawatan Keraton and Johari Mansor, but too proud to admit it openly.

However, thanks to GOOGLE CACHE, a copy of the blog is still available online:

http://www.mediafire.com/?mm7bq1ocd595ad1

So much for his - "THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD SO THAT JUSTICE CAN LIVE - (his motto... apparently)

Fortunately, I have saved the video clips prior to the above. I have re-uploaded them for the benefit of those interested in such scam.





I have also embedded these videos in the first page of this topic.

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see magic summoree..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XO10rsRm6M&feature=related
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This is the funniest thing I've seen today.. made me laugh harder than How I Met Your Mother!
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PETIKAN2 BERITA MENGENAI JOHARI MANSOR (PENGASAS SILAT GERAK KILAT/PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON)


-compiled news article about Johari Mansor and his scams:

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From Utusan Malaysia:

Pusat Rawatan Keraton hadapi tuduhan


JOHOR BAHRU 7 Okt. - Pemilik Pusat Rawatan Keraton yang melakukan rawatan 'pembedahan' secara tradisional atau batin didakwa di Mahkamah Sesyen di sini hari ini atas tuduhan menjalankan operasi pusat jagaan kesihatan swasta tanpa lesen, Jun lalu.

Johari Mansor, 52, dan Rusnani Rahaman, 49, bagaimanapun mengaku tidak bersalah sebaik sahaja pertuduhan tersebut dibacakan di hadapan Hakim Norazlan Ahmad.

Mengikut kertas pertuduhan, mereka didakwa menjalankan operasi pusat jagaan ambulatori swasta tanpa lesen[/COLOR] mengikut perenggan 3© Akta Kemudahan dan Perkhidmatan Jagaan Kesihatan Swasta 1998.

Kesalahan itu didakwa dilakukan di No. 34, Jalan Padi Emas 32, Bandar Baru Uda di sini kira-kira pukul 6.30 petang, 9 Jun lalu.

Dakwaan terhadap mereka dibuat mengikut Subseksyen 5(1) Akta Kemudahan dan Perkhidmatan Jagaan Kesihatan Swasta 1998 (Akta 586) dan boleh dihukum mengikut Subseksyen 5(1)(b)(i) akta sama.

Jika sabit kesalahan, pusat rawatan berkenaan boleh didenda maksimum RM500,000 dan pemiliknya boleh didenda tidak melebihi RM300,000 atau penjara tidak lebih enam tahun atau kedua-duanya.

Norazlan menetapkan 29 November ini untuk perbicaraan kes tersebut.

Pendakwaan dikemukakan oleh Timbalan Pendakwa Raya, Amira Suriati Zainal manakala tertuduh diwakili peguam bela, Zamri Idrus.

Sementara itu, [color=blue]Ketua Pengarah Kesihatan,Tan Sri Dr. Mohd. Ismail Merican dalam satu kenyataan di sini hari ini berkata, pusat rawatan berkenaan diserbu pihak kementerian pada 6 Jun lalu kerana didakwa melakukan rawatan 'pembedahan' secara tradisional atau batin.

Beliau berkata, hasil serbuan yang dijalankan Unit Kawalan Amalan Perubatan Swasta (UKAPS) Johor dan Selangor, pihaknya merampas beberapa perkakas dan peralatan yang dipercayai digunakan dalam pembedahan batin tersebut.

Mohd. Ismail mengingatkan semua pusat rawatan swasta yang menawarkan rawatan perubatan supaya mendapatkan lesen daripada Kementerian Kesihatan sebelum memulakan operasi seperti yang diperuntukkan di bawah akta tersebut.

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ah&pg=ma_04.htm



The news above is followed by the one below;


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Pemilik Pusat Rawatan Keraton didakwa


JOHOR BAHRU 14 Okt. - Pemilik Pusat Rawatan Keraton yang melakukan 'pembedahan' secara tradisional atau batin, [color=red]Johari Mansor sekali lagi dihadapkan ke Mahkamah Sesyen di sini hari ini atas tuduhan menjalankan operasi pusat jagaan kesihatan swasta tanpa lesen, Jun lalu.

Johari, 52, dan isteri, Rusnani Rahaman, 49, yang juga rakan kongsi pusat berkenaan bagaimanapun mengaku tidak bersalah di hadapan Hakim Habibah Mohamed Yusof.

Mengikut kertas pertuduhan, mereka didakwa menjalankan operasi pusat jagaan ambulatori swasta tanpa lesen mengikut perenggan 3© Akta Kemudahan dan Perkhidmatan Jagaan Kesihatan Swasta 1998.

Perbuatan itu didakwa dilakukan di No. 34, Jalan Padi Emas 32, Bandar Baru Uda di sini pada pukul 6.30 petang, 9 Jun lalu.

Mereka didakwa mengikut Seksyen 5(2) akta tersebut dan boleh dihukum mengikut Seksyen 5(2) (aa) akta sama yang memperuntukkan denda tidak melebihi RM300,000 atau penjara tidak lebih enam tahun atau kedua-duanya, jika sabit kesalahan.

Pendakwaan dikendalikan oleh Timbalan Pendakwa Raya, Anwar Raof sementara Johari diwakili peguam Bustaman Menon Abdul Hamid Menon.

Habibah menetapkan 29 November ini bagi perbicaraan kes tersebut.

Sebelum ini, Utusan Malaysia melaporkan pusat berkenaan didakwa di mahkamah yang sama pada 7 Oktober lalu atas tuduhan menjalankan operasi pusat jagaan kesihatan swasta tanpa lesen, Jun lalu.

Perbuatan itu didakwa dilakukan di premis dan pada waktu serta hari yang sama.

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ah&pg=ma_05.htm
From NST:

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Quack surgeon now needs a 'legal doctor'

2010/10/10

KUALA LUMPUR: A faith healer who went around with the title of "Professor Datuk Dr" will be charged on Thursday with allegedly running an illegal treatment centre and performing surgery using unorthodox methods.

The "doctor" will be charged under the Private Healthcare Facilities and Services Act 1998, and is liable to be fined up to RM300,000 or six months' imprisonment or both, if found guilty.

Popularly known as pembedahan batin, his surgeries were usually carried out without anaesthetic and he claimed that patients could immediately return to work after the treatment.


Acting on public information, ministry officials headed by a medical inspector from the Private Medical Practice Control Unit raided the business premises of the "doctor" in Johor on June 9.

They seized tools and equipment believed to have been used for pembedahan batin and sealed the premises.

Director-General of Health Tan Sri Dr Ismail Merican said the ministry would not compromise with anyone who practised this method of surgery as it could be dangerous to a person's health.


"I appeal to the public not to fall prey to this type of treatment as it can bring harm to people, especially those who suffer from cancer, kidney stones and fibroids.

"If not treated properly, these diseases could lead to complications and even fatality."

He said modern medicine had advanced tremendously and could cure illnesses if treated early and properly.


Dr Ismail said all private treatment centres that offered medical treatment must be licensed by the ministry under the Private Healthcare Facilities and Services Act.

The public can check the status of a doctor or a traditional and complementary medicine practitioner by calling 03-8883 1278 or the ministry's traditional and complementary medicine division at 03-2698 5077.

Read more: Quack surgeon now needs a 'legal doctor' http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/08pop-3.../#ixzz1FqVLt6Uq
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Wednesday October 13, 2010

Bogus doctors are just a pain

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JOHOR BARU: Bogus doctors and faith healers are advertising their ser­vices on the Internet and the vernacular newspapers [b]promising “pain­less” and “instant” recovery from a surgery
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Those conned by them include se­­nior government servants, professio­nals and businessmen and they were told that they could return to work immediately after the treatment, said state Health Committee chairman Dr Robiah Kosai.

“Their selling point is that there is no pain and the patient can go back to work as soon as the procedure is over. The fees charged can run into thousands of ringgit.

“Any doctor will tell you that when a surgery is performed, the pa­tient would definitely need some time to recover and heal,” she told The Star.

Describing such incidents as being rampant, she said the conmen would do anything to convince their victims, including having an operation theatre in their premises complete with surgical equipment.

Dr Robiah advised people to go to government hospitals or clinics to avoid complications.

“Sometimes those who go to bo­­mohs and faith healers only come to the hospital when they are too sick and by then it is too late,” she said.

In a related case, an alternative medical practitioner was charged at a Sessions Court here with operating without a licence.

The director of Pusat Jagaan Ambu­latori Swasta, Johari Mansor, 52, pleaded not guilty to the offence un­­der the Private Healthcare Facilities and Services Act.

He was jointly charged with his wife Rusnani Abd Rahman, 49, with operating the centre without a li­­­cence at Jalan Padi Emas in Bandar Baru Uda here on June 9.

Sessions Court judge Norazlan Ahmad set Nov 29 for trial.

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Healer charged with operating without licence


JOHOR BARU: Alternative medical practitioner Johari Mansor was charged at a Sessions Court here with operating without a licence.

The 52-year-old and his wife Rusnaini Abdul Rahaman, 49, who are partners of Pusat Rawatan Keraton, were charged with operating the Pusat Jagaan Ambulatori Swasta located at Jalan Padi Emas in Bandar Baru Uda on June 9.

Both pleaded not guilty to the offence under the Private Health Care Facilities and Services Act.

If convicted, both accused could be fined not more than RM300,000 or jailed for not more than six years or both under Section 5 (2) of the same Act.

Judge Habibah Mohamad Yusof set Nov 29 for trial.

DPP Anwar Raof prosecuted the case while lawyer Bustaman Menon Abdul Hamid Menon represented both accused.

http://www.thestar.my/news/story.asp?file=...8408&sec=courts





QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 29 2010, 05:18 PM)
This is the funniest thing I've seen today.. made me laugh harder than How I Met Your Mother!
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Let me properly add the video here as well as in the first page, the"SENI SILAT GERAK KILAT" is probably another scam of his in a different form:



.....the one you see performing "silat" in this video is JOHARI MANSOR @ SCAMMER @ QUACK and you are right, this video is HILARIOUS. He likes to make a fool out of himself apparently. laugh.gif

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RAJA PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN.PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON JOHARI MANSOR.MEMPERALAT ISLAM AYAT SUCI ALQURAN,DENGAN BERTOPENG PERTUBUHAN SILAT NYA. DIA MENDAKWA YANG MENJADI PENAUNG SILAT NYA. RAJA DAN PEMBESAR PEMBESAR NEGARA.BAGAI KAN DIA MENDAPAT LESEN LAGAK NYA,BEDAH BATIN NYA,KUNUN SAH.DIIKTIRAF. MENIPU MEMPERBODOH RAAYAT MALAYSIA DENGAN BANYAK ORANG MENYANGKA BEDAH BATIN.NYA MENGGUNA JIN .GUNA SIHIR. SILAP MATA. DIA TIDAK GUNA ITU SEMUA.AYAT AYAT SUCI ALQURAN YANG DI BACA SEMASA DIA BUAT PEMBEDAHAN,HANYA SANDIWARA NYA SAJA.HANYA PENIPUAN TIPU MUSLIHAT SAJA YANG DIGUNA KAN NYA.

Ituhanya sandiwara dia saja,yang di bedah bukan perut orang hanya perut palsu.didalam bungkusan perut palsu sudah dimasukan organ urat saraf haiwan kunun organ manusia. Yang kita Nampak macam daging perut ,sabenar nya daging haiwan.Saya dimaklum olih beberapa orang mangsa penipuan yang mereka ada buat BEDAH BATIN. Dengan nya,TIAP TIAP SORANG BAYARAN YANG DIKENA KAN HAMPIR RM.10-000.RISIT BAYARAN TIDAK DI BERI. tapi penyakit sikit pun tidak sembuk bah kan makin bertambah berat.

Perhati betul-betul sewaktu dia buat bedah batin. Tempat dibedah sikit, tapi kenapa pula seluruh badan mangsanya ditutup semua. Sudah pasti agar perut palsu yang diletak diatas perut mangsanya tidak menyangka. Yang dia sudah kena tipu. Yang kita Nampak macam real usus dalam perut bergerak-gerak. Sebenar jarinya yang mengerak-gerakkan.

Saya suruh mereka buat aduan polis.tapi mereka tida berani kerana tidak ada bukti.jika jadi kes mana ada duit nak pasang loya.mereka rasa takut pada nya.KERANA DALAM BLOG NYA.DALAM INTENET.LAGAK NYA. BAGAI KAN SULTAN KALAU TIDAK SALAH SAYA BACA SAYA LIHAT? .DIA MENGELAR DIRI DENGAN GELLARAN,DYMM SRI SULTAN KANJENG PANGERAN SRI SULTAN KANJENG PANGERAN SERI JOHARI MANSOR NOTOBROTO NUSANTARA AL-HAJ.(PSSGKK) MEMBERI PINGAT KEBESARAN KAPADA MENTERI .SIPA BERANI COMLIN SIAPA BERANI BUAT ADUAN POLIS.

SAYA HARAP PIHAK BERKUASA JANGAN BIAR KAN DIA TERUS MENIPU.SAYA SEDIA BERI KERJA SAMA. SAYA AKAN BERI TAHU APA YANG SAYA TAHU.APA YANG SAYA NYATA KAN INI JIKA SAYA FITNAH SAYA RELA TERIMA PEMBALASAN DARI ALLAH.


Added on November 18, 2010, 10:06 amPENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN.DIPUSAT RAWATAN KERATON. JOHARI MANSOR. BERMAHARAJA LELA .DIA SIKIT PUN TIDAK RASA TAKUT BALASAN DARI ALLAH. TIDAK RASA MALU X. SEGAN.X. BERDOASA X.BERSALAH.DIA SANGGUP BERSANDIWARA. MEMPERSENDA AYAT AYAT SUCI ALQURAN.KUNUN BEDAH BATIN NYA.PERUBATAN ISLAM.

DIA BERTOPENG KAN.ILMU ALLAH TIDAH BATSAN NYA. KATA NYA .MEMANG BETUL.TETAPI KENAPA JADI SYAITAN PERTOPENG KAN MANUSIA.

SUNGGUH MALU RAAYAT MALAYSIA. DENGAN ORANG ORANG LUAR NEGERA. MASIH MEMPERCAYAI.DENGAN PENIPUAN NYA . SUDAH PERPULUHAN TAHUN DIPERBODOH BODOH. OLIH NYA. DIA KAYA RAYA. MANGSA PENIPUAN NYA. MERANA. DALAM INTENET BERMACAM MACAM.KOMEN. DARI LUAR NEGARA. TENGTANG PENIPUAN NYA.JUGA DALAM AKHBAR SUDAH DIJATUH HUKUMAN DIA MENIPU.TAPI MASIH ADA YANG MEMPERCAYAI DENGAN NYA.

JIKA LAH BEDAH BATIN NYA PERUBATAN ISLAM TIDAK MENIPU.JEMPUT LAH DOKTOR DAN TV. KOREA. BUAT LIPUTAN PEDAH BATIN NYA. TENTU LAH DIA TERKENAL DISELURUH DUNIA.SUDAH PASTI DIA NYA KAYA RAYA, TIDAK PERLU LAH DIA MENIPU SYARIKAT DISABAH RM.9 JUTA LEBIH. SAPERTI LAPURAN DALAM AKHBAR .

YANG PELIK NYA PULAK. KENAPA PIHAK BERKUASA TERLEPAS PANDANG PEKARA INI.KALAU NAK TUNGGU MANGSA NYA. BUAT ADUAN.TIDAK ADASIAPA YANG BERANI.KERANA YANG JADI PENAUNG SILAT NYA. ADA LAH PEMBESAR NEGARA.APA KAH?. PEMBESAR NEGARA TIDAK TAHU……………….


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I've posted this in other sections of this forum, now I'll put it up here:

*New Update - 29/11/2010 (Monday)

...and the story continues...


Basically here is the story:


The female patient (Sweetalia) in the video and in the blog below is a teacher by occupation, had been diagnosed with kidney cancer on her left kidney about 1 year ago.

She was scheduled to be operated to remove the malignancy in a govt. hospital, but due to the influence and 'advice' by friends and family members - she opted to have the "scarless and painless surgery" done by JOHARI MANSOR in PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON instead.

I came across her uploaded "surgery" video in Youtube around september 2009 and commented about the fraud/deceit of such "surgery" to her... but instead of listening to my advice, she condemned me for it and banned me from making anymore comments about her video (see below for her comments - click spoilers)

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She was apparently healthy for awhile (psychological factor? placebo effect? who knows) but less than 1 year after the apparently "miraculous surgery" she was again re-admitted into the hospital (Selayang Hospital) because of her "apparently removed tumour" was still there and now has become even worse than before (progressed to stage 3 cancer). She had a REAL operation this time on 10/5/2010 - but even then, according the her doctors - her future is uncertain.

I have arranged the blog entries in chronological order for all of you medical students and doctors to read and learn something out of this:

http://sweetalia-blog.blogspot.com/2009/08...pital-lagi.html (Tuesday, August 11, 2009)

http://sweetalia-blog.blogspot.com/2009/08...rt-2episod.html (Monday, August 17, 2009)

http://sweetalia-blog.blogspot.com/2009/08...t-3episode.html (Friday, August 21, 2009)

and the "miracle surgery":

http://sweetalia-blog.blogspot.com/2009/09...kena-bedah.html (Sunday, September 13, 2009)

and NOW:

http://sweetalia-blog.blogspot.com/2010/08...t-berpuasa.html

http://sweetalia-blog.blogspot.com/2010/08...at-sepital.html (Tuesday, August 10, 2010)



For all here - learn from this~ be careful when choosing treatment and don't just follow hearsay from friends/family members without solid evidence~
For more information, click my signature below (Pusat rawatan Keraton scam).

Do comment and give opinion if you like.

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.....the one you see performing "silat" in this video is JOHARI MANSOR @ SCAMMER @ QUACK and you are right, this video is HILARIOUS. He likes to make a fool out of himself apparently.  laugh.gif

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SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON.JOHARI MANSOR.HANYA MENGUNA TIPU MUSLIHAT.SEMATA MATA.MINIPU.MEMPERALAT ILMU ALLAH TIDAK ADA BATASAN.

Sesiapa sahaja yang ada buat pembedahan batin dengan nya.tak kira lah sama ada dia.orang kenemaan. menteri.sudah pasti .kena tipu hidup hidup.dengan nya.sebab dia raja penipu.

Apa saja penyakit .jika hendak mendapat rawatan dengan nya.disuruh buat pempedahan batin.SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN NYA .LAKUNAN MAKAN MASA HANYA.10 MINIT.BAYARAN PULA HAMPIR RM.10.000 ITU SEBAB NYA. APA SJA PENYAKIT DISURUH BUAT BEDAH BATIN.RISIT BAYARAN TIDAK DIBERI.Jika hendak berubat bagitu saja tidak buat bedah batin .tentu lah sadikit saja bayaran yang dia dapat.

SAYA CABAR KAPADA SESIAPA YANG YAKIN BEDAH BATIN NYA.BUKAN SANDIWARA MASIH MEMPERCAYAI.DIA MENGUANA ILMU ALLAH TIDAK ADA BATASAN NYA.JIKA DIA MEMANG BETUL TIDAK MENIPU.DIFITNAK KERANA HASAT DENGKI IRI HATI PADA NYA.SAYA ULANGI SAPERTI TULISAN SAYA SABELUM INI .

TOLONG KASIHANI LAH DIA. JANGAN BIAR KAN DIA TERUS DIFITNAH .TOLONG LAH BERSIH KAN LAH NAMA NYA.JEMPUT LAH TV.KOREA BUAT LAH BEDAH BATIN SIARAN TERUS MENERUS .KASELURUH DUNIA.JEMPUT LAH DOKTOR JUGA UNTUK PASTIKAN .BEDAH BATIN NYA BUKAN SANDIWARA.AMBIL LAH TINDAKAN HAHKAMAH.PADA MEREKA MEMFITNAH NYA.

Saya yakin nama nya juga Malaysia terkenal kaseluruh dunia.raayat tumpang berbangga.sudah tentu.ORANG LUARA NEGARA PUN DATANG BUAT BEDAH BATIN DENGAN NYA.KERANA DIDUNIA HANYA DIA SAORANG SAJA YANG BOLIH BUAT BEDAH BATIN.

Kalau lah dia sanggup sahut cabaran saya .saperti tersebut diatas.maka terbukti dia tidak bersalah.hanya difitnah kerana hasat dengki.iri hati.pada nya.

Maka saya lah orang yang pertama datang berjumpa dengan nya. untuk mohon keampunan.daripada nya.diatas kesilapan saya. yang amat berat. terhadap nya.

JIKA DIA TIDAK SANGGUP SAHUT CABARAN SAPERTI DIATAS MAKA DIA SEPATUT NYA DINOBAT KAN SEBAGAI PELAKUN SANDIWARA TERBAIK .MEMPERBODOH KAN RAAYAT MALAYSIA BERPULUH TAHUN BERTURUT TURUT.

RAMAI SANGAT INGIN NAK TAHU.KEMANA HILANG GELARAN NYA?.PROF.DR.DATO SERI. RADEN.APA BILA PIHAK AKHBAR.BUAT LAPURAN PE……AGAK NYA MEREKATERLUPA.


Added on November 30, 2010, 7:31 amjika betul bedah batin johari mansor mengguna ilmu allah. tidak ada batasan nya.buat lah demonterasi bedah batin.SEMASA HENDAK BUAT PEMBEDAHAN BATIN BADAN PESAKIT JANGAN DITUTUP DENGAN KAIN .bolih ditonton dikhalayak ramai. sudah pasti dia tidak berani takut kerana dia penipu.kepada sesipa yang beriya iya.sanggup bersumpah untuk menegak benang basah nya.tolong lah bersih kan nama nya.sahut lah cabaran saya saperti tersebut diatas.jika dia tak sanggup saya pun.BERANI BERSUMPAH.BERANI BERKATA.DIA TIDAK MENGGUNA ILMU ALLAH.ILMU NYA DIPELAJARI DARI IBLIS DAN SYAITAN.SEMATA MATA UNTUK MENIPU.

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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 5 2009, 03:09 PM)
dude this is an alternative medicine.. theres no way to compare with modern medicine..

im muslim and im a medical student.. i know and saw myself a lot of these so called "miracle doctors".. they are not as simple as what u think..

especially if u're a muslim u should know there are a lot of "miracle" stuff that are unexplainable regarding medication.. something we believe, a faith..

most modern medicine only able to slow down the progression of the disease.. they cant stop and fully cure the disease..

but there are plenty of people who went to these kind of alternative medicine, whether islam way, chinese or etc etc had cured.. diabetic foot for example.. in modern medication, the doctors will ask to amputate it..
but some alternative practitioners they can reverse the changes and cure the "dead" foot..

its hard to explain because it is all about faith and how badly u want the disease to be cure..
plus im lacking in knowledge about alternative medication either

whether u want to choose it or u dont.. its all up to you..

if u dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it
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Added on December 2, 2010, 12:38 ami dun believe the 19 year old son does not know what his father is doing.

I am sure he knows his father use some animal organs to cheat patients. I ma sure he kknows the blood on his father's gloves is fake.

Dun tell me your father is right if he is cheating people who are sick and has been prosecuted and yet keep being prosecuted!

Just wake up son, if father is wrong it is your responsibility to wake him up as well!!

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PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN JOHARI MANSOR.TERUS HENDAK MENEGAK BENANG BASAH.sangup memperseda memperalat al-quran & hadis.
terbaru iklan nya.mengulangi kejayaan nya menipu.dalam AKHBAR TABLIOT MEDIA TERKINI.KELUARAN 15 NOV.2010

SANGGUP DIA MEMPERALAT MENIPU.MANTAN MUFTI SELANGOR ALLAH YARHAM DATO`HJ.ISHAK BAHAROM.MENYAKSI.SANDIWARA NYA.SALEPAS MENYAKSI LAKUNAN NYA.PELAKUN SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN.TERBAIK BERPULUH TAHUN BERTURUT TURUT.

dia mendakwa dalam iklan nya.DATO`ISHAK BAHAROM buat kenyatan berikut.PEMBEDAHAN TAMPA MENGUNA ALAT ALAT PERUBATAN MODEN BUKAN LAH SATU PEKARA MUSTAHIL"MENURUT MUFTI LAGI NABI MUHAMMAD S.A.W JUGA ADA MELAKUKAN PERUBAT SEDEMIKIAN.

pada pedapat saya apa yang dikata mufti tersebut memang betul.tetapi yang x betul JOHARI MANSOR SYAITAN BERTOPENG KAN MANUSIA.

TERGAMAK MEMPERBODOH SIAPA SAJA KUNUN BEDAH BATIN NYA.BERDASAR KAN AL-QURAN DAN HADIS.....
YANG SEBENAR BEDAH BATIN NYA. BERDASAR KAN JIN IBLIS DAN SYAITAN...LANGSUNG X BERPERI KAMANUSIAAN SANGGUP MENIPU SIAPA SAJA...UNTUK KRPENTINGAN DIRI NYA....

SAYA YAKIN SELURUH RAAYAT MALAYSIA DAN DUNIA TERNANTI NANTI TIDAK SABAR HENDAH MENYAKSI BEDAH BATIN YANG DIDAKWA MENGGUA ILLMU ALLAH TIDAK ADA BATASAN NYA.SILA LAH BUKTI KAN .CEPAT LAH BUAT DEMONTERASI PEMBEDAHAN BEDAH BATIN BADAN PESAKIT JANGAN DITUTUP DENGAN KAIN. JANGAN HANYA TERUS HENDAK MENEGAK BENANG BASAH...BERTAUBAT LAH.....

MAKA NAMA JOHARI MANSOR PUN BERSIH TIDAK ADA SIAPA YANG BERANI BERKATA BEDAH BATIN HANYA SANDIWARA PENIPU...

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Nov 1 2010, 07:44 AM)



.....the one you see performing "silat" in this video is JOHARI MANSOR @ SCAMMER @ QUACK and you are right, this video is HILARIOUS. He likes to make a fool out of himself apparently.  laugh.gif
Malaysia very on sakai ranger!!. LOL!!!. His super power is to create bubble tat will make his face looks funny. Enemies will die out of laughter!!.
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YOU ARE A DUMB MEDICAL STUDENT!!!


Added on December 2, 2010, 12:38 ami dun believe the 19 year old son does not know what his father is doing.

I am sure he knows his father use some animal organs to cheat patients. I ma sure he kknows the blood on his father's gloves is fake.

Dun tell me your father is right if he is cheating people who are sick and has been prosecuted and yet keep being prosecuted!

Just wake up son, if father is wrong it is your responsibility to wake him up as well!!
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dude....his father is scamming ppl and he gets to enjoy the reaping of the scam. do you think he would want to say anything.
everything he asked for his dad gives. as they say...bapa borek anak rintik.


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PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN JOHARI MANSOR.TERUS HENDAK MENEGAK BENANG BASAH.sangup memperseda memperalat al-quran & hadis.
terbaru iklan nya.mengulangi kejayaan nya menipu.dalam AKHBAR TABLIOT MEDIA TERKINI.KELUARAN 15 NOV.2010

SANGGUP DIA MEMPERALAT MENIPU.MANTAN MUFTI SELANGOR ALLAH YARHAM DATO`HJ.ISHAK BAHAROM.MENYAKSI.SANDIWARA NYA.SALEPAS MENYAKSI LAKUNAN NYA.PELAKUN SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN.TERBAIK BERPULUH TAHUN BERTURUT TURUT.

dia mendakwa dalam iklan nya.DATO`ISHAK BAHAROM buat kenyatan berikut.PEMBEDAHAN TAMPA MENGUNA ALAT ALAT PERUBATAN MODEN BUKAN LAH SATU PEKARA MUSTAHIL"MENURUT MUFTI LAGI NABI MUHAMMAD S.A.W JUGA ADA MELAKUKAN PERUBAT SEDEMIKIAN.

pada  pedapat saya apa yang dikata mufti tersebut memang betul.tetapi yang x betul JOHARI MANSOR SYAITAN BERTOPENG KAN MANUSIA.

TERGAMAK MEMPERBODOH SIAPA SAJA KUNUN BEDAH BATIN NYA.BERDASAR KAN AL-QURAN DAN HADIS.....
YANG SEBENAR  BEDAH BATIN NYA. BERDASAR KAN JIN IBLIS DAN SYAITAN...LANGSUNG X BERPERI KAMANUSIAAN SANGGUP MENIPU SIAPA SAJA...UNTUK KRPENTINGAN DIRI NYA....

SAYA YAKIN SELURUH RAAYAT MALAYSIA DAN DUNIA TERNANTI NANTI TIDAK SABAR HENDAH MENYAKSI BEDAH BATIN YANG DIDAKWA MENGGUA ILLMU ALLAH TIDAK ADA BATASAN NYA.SILA LAH BUKTI KAN .CEPAT LAH BUAT DEMONTERASI PEMBEDAHAN BEDAH BATIN BADAN PESAKIT JANGAN DITUTUP DENGAN KAIN. JANGAN HANYA TERUS HENDAK MENEGAK BENANG BASAH...BERTAUBAT LAH.....

MAKA NAMA JOHARI MANSOR PUN BERSIH TIDAK ADA SIAPA YANG BERANI BERKATA BEDAH BATIN HANYA SANDIWARA PENIPU...
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i called the dr yesterday and i asked him if i can do treatment in his clinic. i have man breasts due to eating too much hormones when young. he said he wont do anymore because the last patient that drove an orange supra, the surgery went wrong. after the surgery, the patient lost both nipples!!!

looks like i will have to find elsewhere.
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DENGAN MENUNJUK NUNJUK GELARAN PROF.DR.DATO`SERI RADEN JOHARI MANSOR. SELALU DIA DIDALAM IKLAN IKLAN NYA DALAM AKHBAR AKHBAR.tujuan nya agar orang ramai menyangka.BEDAH BATIN NYA. BUKAN SANDIWARA.maka ramai lah raayat malaysia jadi mangsa penipuan nya.diperbodoh bodoh kan olih nya.pendapat saya sama ada sijil nya sah?atau dibeli?.WALAU SETINGGI LANGIT PUN ILMU NYA.DIA ADA LAH PENIPU. YANG AMAT BIJAK.LICIK X BERMARUAH.


Added on December 3, 2010, 7:37 amsudah pasti JIN IBLIS & SYAITAN. MENGUCAP TANIAH SYABAS PADA NYA.amat berbangga dengan anak emas didik nya.JOHARI MANSOR PERPERANGAI TIPU DIRI SENDIR MEMUJI DIRI UNTUK SYOK SENDIRI SS. x malu x perperi kamanusian.sanggup menipu memperbodoh x kira siapa saja.tentu lah MAHAGURU NYA JIN IBLIS & SYAITAN MEANUGERAH TIAP TIAP TAHUN PADA NYA.SIJIL PENGHARGAAN KEPUJIAN DIATAS KEJAYAAN NYA.MENJADI PELAKON SANDIWARA TERBAIK BERPULUH TAHUN BERTURUT TURUT.X ADA TANDINGAN NYA


Added on December 7, 2010, 6:54 pmkehebatan kebijak sanaan SI LUNCAI dan JOHARI MANSOR dalam bidang penipuan x ada tandingan nya. ada diantara mangsa penipuan bukan calang calang orang .ada yang perpelajaran tinggi.berjawatan tinggi dimenara gading.pun berjaya diperboh bodoh kan nya.bolih mempercayai lakunan sandiwara nya.......bila tahu mereka suadah kena tipu diperbodoh bodoh.maka terpaksa lah mereka buat buat x tahu.... maka selamat lah mereka dari dituduh bodoh.orang yang bijak sana pun berjaya di tipu.apa tah lagi...........maka berungtuntung lah.SIJOHARI MANSOR.TERUS DENGAN KERJAYA DALAM BIDANG PENIPUAN NYA.X ADA SIAPA YANG MENGHALANG NYA.MAKA SI LUCAI PUN TERJUN DENGAN LABU LABU NYA.MANGSA PENIPUAN NYA PUN BERKATA .BIAR KAN BIAR KAN BIAR KAN............

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An interesting find recently revealed this SCAMMER parading as a SULTAN (king) along with his wife and "KERABATS":


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this is going way too far (melampau)... I hope our Govt. sees this.

(Source for the image above taken from: http://eforum1.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?...&extra=&page=1)


Added on December 29, 2010, 1:09 amAdditional information received from 'anonymous' in Sabah revealed that JOHARI MANSOR has been found GUILTY of swindling a client for a sum of RM3.1 MILLION.

Read the following carefully to understand the case. The following is the court case from Sabah High Court:

http://www.highcourt.sabah.sarawak.gov.my/...ile.php?id=3020


Give your opinion if you wish.

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dia igt dia DR ASADA dlm anime Team Medical Dragon ke...

The best doctor pun still depends on heart lung machine, scrub nurse, anesthetic, medical engineer, condition screen and first surgery assistant at least... Gila kesian kalau kene tipu.. Duit melayang nyawa pun boleh melayang.. Kalau kene kt org kaya aku x kisah.. Tapi kalau org tu miskin, duit pun pinjam ahlong nk biaya pembedahan. Kesian x pasal satu family kene tetak dgn ah long..

Feeling like punching this fakin face broke his jaw and split his nipple kaw2

mana klinik dia nk pegi bakar

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There is no miracle in medicine, especially hocus phocus thing. EVerything in medicine has evidence based. The reason why the people being cheated is because they believe and want to find the simple and shortest solution for the trouble they had. For examples, if people had tumour that need operation, they rather want to get 'magic' operation because fear of pain and etc. At the end, they will landed at the hospital and went through what they afraid of before. Many people justify based on popularity even it is illogical and no sense at all.
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hahhahaah, it's remind me of Dr. Black Jack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Jack_%28manga%29

How can people believe this? LOL
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lol full metal alchemist
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Jan 5 2011, 01:25 PM)
lol full metal alchemist
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hahahahahh......PROF.DR.DATO`SERI Fullmetal alchemist Edward RADEN JOHARI MANSOR Elric
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Latest update on JOHARI MANSOR:

Johari Mansor has been sent to prison after being arrested by the police on 19th Jan 2011 (Wednesday), see the following blog excerpt (credit to blogger):


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PENGAMAL PERUBATAN TRADISIONAL BERGELAR DATO DICEKUP POLIS.


Nama beliau jika disebut agak terkenal di selatan tanahair. Malah, ia turut disebut di laman forum seperti flyingspaghettimonster, tranungkite dan banyak lagi.

Pelbagai persoalan di forum terbabit mempertikai gelaran yang diperolehi oleh lelaki ini yang turut menjalankan kelas mengajar ilmu persilatan.

Lelaki ini pernah ditahan pada tahun 80-an dan dihadapkan ke mahkamah kerana menipu.

Baru-baru ini, klinik perubatan tradisional yang dijalankan diserbu Kementerian Kesihatan kerana tidak mempunyai sijil pengamal perubatan sebagaimana dikehendaki undang-undang. Malah, dia juga tidak memiliki kelayakan untuk membuka klinik perubatan. Kalau klinik tayar tak payah sijil.

Rabu lalu, ketika hendak menaiki pesawat ke Sarawak, sepasukan polis dari Jabatan Siasatan Jenayah Komersil Ibu Pejabat Polis Kontinjen Johor menahan lelaki ini untuk disiasat atas jenayah menipu.

Difahamkan, penipuan lelaki ini turut menarik perhatian Istana Johor. Ini berikutan dakwaan lelaki ini yang mengaitkan diri dengan salasilah kesultanan malah turut memanggil dirinya Beta dan memakai pakaian yang mirip seorang sultan.

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For full text: http://www.hazrey.com/2011/01/pengamal-per...l-bergelar.html
                  http://www.hazrey.com/2011/01/dato-johari-...edah-palsu.html
Good news that this charlatan is now behind bars.. I just hope his sons won't follow in their father's footsteps...


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haha penipu ni...
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QUOTE(ariff_mmc @ Jan 24 2011, 04:43 AM)
haha penipu ni...
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...and for everyone, here is the statement by the Ministry of Health's TCM division about "BEDAH BATIN", I quote:

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Home / Consumer Education Info / Info10

Pembedahan Batin...Adakah Haram atau dibenarkan disisi Islam


Kebiasaannya dilakukan oleh individu yang menggelarkan dirinya ustaz, atau berpakaian seperti guru agama, menggunakan gelaran tertentu iaitu untuk meyakinkan orang awam bahawa diri mereka adalah istimewa dan memiliki kebolehan untuk merawat dengan kaedah mistik yang kononnya berlandaskan syariat Islam.

Apa kata mereka?

1.    Pengamal meyakinkan anda bahawa rawatan pembedahan batin ini berupaya menggantikan rawatan pembedahan moden bagi penyakit kronik seperti masalah jantung, barah otak, barah hati dan lain-lain penyakit serius.

2.    Meyakinkan orang ramai bahawa kaedah ini tidak menyakitkan walaupun tiada ubat pelali digunakan.

3.    Tempoh masa untuk sembuh adalah singkat.


Fakta disebalik kata-kata mereka?

1.    Tiada bukti kukuh dari AL-Quran dan Hadis bahawa amalan pembedahan batin ini mengikut syariat Islam.

2.    Amalan ini HARAM dilakukan kerana pengamal mungkin menggunakan ilmu hitam, silap mata, perantaraan jin atau syaitan atau sihir semasa melaksanakan pembedahan.
Pengguna juga ditipu dengan janji manis keberkesanan rawatan ini di samping bayaran pembedahan yang tidak munasabah.


Renungan bersama:

Memang satu kewajipan untuk kita terus berusaha mencari penawar bagi setiap penyakit yang dihadapi. Seperti terkandung dalam hadis yang biasa kita dengar yang bermaksud…

“Tidak ada penyakit yang Allah turunkan itu melainkan ada ubatnya…”
Tetapi berwaspadalah kita, dengan setiap cara untuk kita berubat atau berikhtiar, perkara Haram tetap menjadi Haram dan alasan tidak akan menghalalkan cara.


Source: http://tcm.moh.gov.my/v2/modules/mastop_publish/?tac=78
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Nov 1 2010, 07:44 AM)
Let me properly add the video here as well as in the first page, the"SENI SILAT GERAK KILAT" is probably another scam of his in a different form:



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LOL!!! NagaBola Malaysian Style!!!
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Latest attempt by PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON to 'persuade' people that they
are 'not cheating', despite the 'scam surgeries' and raids by the Ministry of Health;

http://tahniahkepadapusatrawatankeraton.blogspot.com/

Analyze the claims carefully~


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they all have the same writing style!
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QUOTE(ate @ Feb 2 2011, 03:46 PM)
they all have the same writing style!
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You are right, a futile attempt by them. Let the Malaysian Law deal with such scam.
Fake surgery - KiLLs - not due to the 'surgery' itself but due to the fact that the delay in the proper treatment causes the patients to die.

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MAHARAJA SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN MAHA PENIPU JOHARI MANSOR MENIPU TERUS MENIPU. DG BERTOPENG KAN PERTUBUHAN SILAT NYA.
DIA SANGUP MEMPERALAT PEMBESAR NEGARA?SEBAGAI PENAUNG PERTUBUHAN SILAT NYA.BAGAI DIA MENDAPAT LESEN UNTUK TERUS MENIPU

dia tahu mangsa penipuan x bollih ambil apa apa tindakan undangterhadap nya.kerana risit bayaran ribuan ringgit untuk bedah batin tidak di beri.mangsa penipuan nya terpaksa lah berdiam diri.hendah dihebah tersangat malu nanti dikata bodoh kerana percayakan bomoh.hendak disaman x ada bukti.

TERUS HENDAK TEGAK BENANG BASAH PENGAKUAN PESAKIT SEMBUH DG RAWATAN BEDAH BATIN NYA.saya berani kata pesakit yang dirawaat bukan sembuh DG BEDAH BATIN SANDIWARA NYA. jika mereka sembuh pun bolih jadi serasi dg obat yang di beri?.
JIKA LAH ADA DI ANTARA PESAKIT NYA YAKIN MEREKA SEMBUH DG RAWATAN SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN JOHARI MANSOR DG BAYARAN RIBUAN RINGGIT.MAKA MEREKA LAH ORANG NYA TERSANGAT BODOH TELAH DIPERBODOH OLIH JOHARI MANSOR.MAHARAJA PENIPU.

dia memang bijak menipu sangup memperalat NAMA ALLAH YANG MAHA BERKUASA UNTUK MENIPU.dia yakin pihak berkuasa x akan ambil tindakan
undang undang terhadah nya.kerana penipuan bedah batin nya....dia yakin undang undang dunia selagi sasaorang itu x di jatuk hukum bersalah
maka dia tetap x bersalah.

JANGAN BERBANGA DG UNDANG UNDANG DUNIA MUNGKIN TERLEPAS?. JANGAN LUPA ALLAH MELIHAT APA YG KITA BUAT...SUDAH PASTI UNDANG
UNDANG AKHIRAT X AKAN TERLEPAS BERTAUBAT SEBELUM TERLAMBAT...JADI LAH HAMBA ALLAH JANGAN JADI HAMBA SAITAN...

BAKAL BAKAL YANG AKAN JADI MANGSA PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN NYA CUBA LAH FIKIR ALLAH BERI KITA OTAK UNTUK BERFIKIR KENAPA BODOH SANGAT RAMAI BERKATA BEDAH BATIN NYA PENIPU HANYA SANDIWARA....JIKA BETUL SAPERTI KATA NYA BEDDAH BATIN MENGUNA ILMU ALLAH X ADA BATAS NYA.KENAPA DIA X BUAT DEMONTERSI BEDAH BATIN BADAN PESAKIT JANGAN DITUTUP DG KAIN. AGAR DIA X DITUDUH PENIPU
MEMANG DIA PENIPU SUDAH TENTU DIA X BOLIH LAKU KAN.

JIKA DIA DIPIHAK YG BENAR KENAPA DIA X SAMAN RAMAI PUN YG MENGATA DI PENIPU SUDAH TENTU DIA X BERANI KERANA DIA MEMANG PENIPU. BETAPA BODOH SESIAPA YG MASIH PERCAYA DG BEDAH BATIN BATIN JOHARI MANSOR
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From Harian Metro, claim by victims of this scam:

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Hanya ilusi, tidak berkesan

“SAYA rasa pinggang saya ditoreh dengan pisau dan rasanya seperti digigit semut saja. Selepas itu individu yang melakukan bedah batin meminta saya duduk dan dia me nunjukkan buah pinggang saya.

“Beberapa ahli keluarga saya turut dibenarkan melihat pembedahan dan mereka nampak buah pinggang saya yang rosak. Ia sememangnya satu kejutan buat saya dan keluarga,” kata Hazimah, 50, yang berpengalaman menjalani pem bedahan batin tahun lalu.


Menurut Hazimah, dia menghidap penyakit buah pinggang dan mahu mencuba rawatan alternatif bagi menyembuhkan penyakitnya.

“Ramai yang kata bedah batin boleh menyembuhkan penyakit saya. Saya pun mencuba.


“Tak perlu tunggu lama, dalam tempoh 20 minit saja siap bedah. Buah pinggang saya dibersihkan dan dijanjikan ia kembali berfungsi secara normal,” katanya.


Hazimah mengakui membayar sehingga RM8,000 untuk pembedahan itu.

“Selepas pembedahan saya memang rasa selesa, seperti penyakit buah pinggang dihidapi sudah tiada. Namun selepas dua minggu, kesakitan yang dialami sebelum pembedahan datang kembali.


“Pemeriksaan di hospital mendapati buah pinggang saya rosak. Kesudahannya, sehingga hari ini terpaksa menjalani rawatan dialisis, manakala penyakit kencing manis yang menyebabkan masalah buah pinggang itu bertambah teruk,” katanya.

Hazimah mengakui dia berasa terkilan dan kesal me lakukan pembedahan seperti itu.

.... untuk teks lengkap, klik link dibawah...


- Harian Metro



Full text: http://www.hmetro.com.my/articles/Hanyailu...rkesan/Article/

Related article:

http://www.hmetro.com.my/articles/Demikeun...a-mata/Article/


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atisnuna wrote on Jul 15, '08

Source: http://atisnuna.multiply.com/

"Salam....

Maaf kerana saya lewat membalas msg ni...untuk pengetahuan semua, emak & nenek saya telah membuat rawatan di pusat rawatan keraton di bndr baru sentol,kl pada jan 08, itupun kerana desakan dari bapa saudara yang terlalu yakin akan rawatan ini.

Untuk pengetahuan semua mak saya mengidap penyakit kanser dan nenek saya ketumbuhan didalam otak...Sampai di sana, seperti pesakit lain kami d suruh utk mengisi borang dimana borang itu terdpt pantang larang & juga perjnjian jika berlaku apa2 kita tak boleh mengambil tindakan......

pandai betul si wak raden ni kan.......so...bila kite nak saman @ report polis pun kita tak bleh la nak menang coz kite dah sain surat perjanjian tu....so sampai la giliran mak saya untuk mendapatkan rawatan....dan saudara terdekat bolehlah merakam pembedahan secara ‘live’ tu...

bapa saudara saya yg merakam pembedahan tersebut, saya hanya memerhati di luar, di tingkap kecil..memang la masa kite tngok memang Nampak real sangat2 pembedahan tu...tapi bila mak saya selesai je pembedahan tersebut..hati mak saya rasa memang tak sedap.......mak saya kata macam kene tipu hidup-hidup..coz nak tau apa yg dia buat kat mak saya dlm bilik tu...mak saya disuruh baring....

lepas tu mengucap..& mak saya kata keliling tmpt dia baring tu ada macam2 bentuk keris ada ...lepas tu si raden ni akan sapu minyak panas di tmpt yg nak dibedah tu sambil mulut dia membaca sesuatu mentera...di leher dan diperut...dia buat ni dalam keadaan mak saya sedar..lepas tu dia akan letak satu sekeping kain tebal diatas badan mak saya...ITULAH DIA PENIPUAN YG DIA BUAT..KAIN TEBAL TU LA DIA LETAK PERUT PALSU YG ADA HATI KE JANTUNG KE DAN MACAM2 LA..KONONNYA DIA NAK BELAH SECARA LIVE PERUT KITA...PADA HAL DIA DAH CIPTA PERUT PALSU DAH...so bila dia dah siap letak PERUT PALSU TU...dia akan panggil org yg nak rakam pembedahan tu masuk...

masa tu kita yg tngok ni memang la rasa real sangat......konon la dia bedah guna pisau lepas tu keluar le segala benda yg kononnya dia kata toksid dalam badan....nampakla dia selak hati....selak jantung..........kononnya real sangat la.....tapi padahal kita di tipu hidup2.......selepas pembedahan selesai kami diminta membayar sebanyak RM6260!!

Termasuk ubat apa2 entah.... bayaran tu sebab buat 2 tmpt iaitu di leher dan di perut..........tu baru mak saya.........nenek saya pun serupa....tapi ni lagi real.........siap ketuk kepala nenek dgn tukul......hahahahahaha.........kelakar betul.....kene tipu betul....mak& nenek saya memang sedar masa dia buat tu....tapi tak dengar pun apa dia buat....si raden ni dah baca dah macam2 leee...nenek saya pulak kene bayar RM3000 lebih....satu pembedahan je...cuba korang bayangkan 1 org RM3000 sehari 30 orng....sebulan dah berapa si raden ni dapat duit....tu yg dia boleh pakai kete yg berapa juta harga dia tu.....

kalu la betul2 alim kan...untuk yg sesiapa penah pegi la kan...cuba korang tngok yg jaga kauter tu...pakai tudung macam nak tak nak je...kat belakang kluar ekor...yg lelaki ada yg rambut panjang.........lu pk la sendiri.......so nak jadi citer...mak saya memang tak puas hati....

Genap je sebulan lepas tu mak saya pegi balik ke tempat tu...tujuan utama nak mintak balik duit RM6000 lebih tu...bila sampai giliran mak saya...apalagi....mak saya sembur la dengan macam2 kata2 kesat...macam2 la mak saya ugut.....last2 sekali wak raden pun sain la cek balik.........dia takut mak saya bawa ke tengah kes ni..dia pun tengok mak saya dia macam berani semacam je so dpt le balik duit kami.....alhamdulillah berkat rezeki yang halal kami dapat balik duit kami.........."






QUOTE(mangsatipu @ Aug 4 2010, 05:13 PM)
Testimoni Pengalaman Benar Keluarga saya di kenakan bayaran RM10,000.00untuk pembedahan serupa dilakukan diatas yang sebenarnya tak ubah seperti sebuah SET-UP pembikinan drama.

Bila kami dipanggil masuk ke bilik pembedahan itu, segala permainannya sudah diatur untuk ditayangkan.

Kami tidak dibenarkan menyentuh apa-apa tapi saya yang was-was dgn pertunjukan itu sempat mengambil dan menyorokkan sampel cebisan daging yang dipotong, kami hanya dapat melihat separuh jalan sahaja,

kemudian kami diarah keluar dari bilik itu, dan apabila selesai kami membawa ahli keluarga kami(pesakit) keluar dari klinik tersebut dan semakin keliru apabila kami dapati cebisan daging itu tadi bukan daging tetapi sesuatu yang lain dan bukan daging, dan darah yang ada pada daging itu pula tidak menjadi kering tetapi masih melekit, berminyak dan bukan darah.

Saya percaya ramai yang terpegun dan sudah terpedaya dan menjadi mangsa penipuan dan kehabisan banyak wang kepadanya tetapi tidak mahu melaporkan kepada pihak polis kerana khuatir atau malu digelar "kalut" atau percaya kepada "tahyul" bomoh.

Johari Mansor ini sudah ditangkap polis dan dia sedang didakwa kerana menipu, mungkin dia boleh terlepas kerana banyak duit tapi yang penting dia tidak akan terlepas dari perhitungan akhirat nanti.

Sungguh memalukan orang seperti ini menggunakan nama Islam dan bangsa Melayu untuk mencari kekayaan, kemudian bagi anak2nya makan! Astaghfirullah!

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QUOTE(Al-Muktar @ Feb 6 2011, 09:25 PM)
Dulu, saya ada abang saudara menghidap kanser paru-paru tahap 4. Satu-satunya jalan terakhir adalah membuat rawatan kemoterapi. Tetapi, untuk mengelakkannya, kami menemui satu pusat rawatan yang menyediakan pembedahan secara batin.

Saya yang menyaksikan pembedahan batin itu, melihat jelas apa yang dikatakan ketumbuhan itu dibuang. Namun, dalam sebulan, abang saudara saya kembali sakit.

Apabila ditanya ke pusat rawatan, mereka tanpa segan silu menyuruh membuat rawatan kemoterapi, rawatan yang ingin dielakkan pada permulaannya. Apabila diperiksa, nyata, ketumbuhan itu tetap ada pada tempatnya dan apa yang saya nampak adalah mungkin khayalan semata-mata (setelah membaca Mastika). Akhirnya, abang saudara meninggal dunia.

... masa itu keadaan terdesak. Mana-mana ada pusat rawatan mesti pergi. Setelah perkara ini didedahkan oleh Majalah Mastika, baru saya tahu. Apatah lagi, pegasasnya telah ditahan atas kesalahan skandal tanah. Tapi, pusat rawatan itu masih beroperasi...

Jadi, janganlah kita percaya kepada pembedahan batin dan seumpamanya.

....

Sumber: http://www.murabbi.net/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=430




Added on 6/6/2011


Latest blog excerpt (May 2011) from another victim of JOHARI MANSOR:

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...ok, so aku nak share pgalaman family aku sendiri yg buat pmbedahan ni, nenek aku yg disahkan sakit buah pinggang buat lah pmbedahan ni dekat sape tu? datuk johari eh?

ok ape-ape jelah kan, katenye, dia bedah mcm real, ditutup dgn kain putih bahagian atas badan. then takda sorang pon boleh tgok!

pastu konon-konon dia tunjuk la buah pinggang nenek aku kat pakcik aku yg telah dikuarkan, tapi... buah pinggang tu atas kain putih tadi, dia nak bersih kan, hell no! nak percaye tak?


  then, pas buat pmbedahan nenek aku pon still mcm biase and makin terukkk? kaki sume bengkak, sampai la pegi hosp.

dia kata nenek aku ni mcm takde prubahan. mean what? tipu kan? haishh 5 ribu wihh, bukan sikit! then 2 minggu sekali kena p, kos tok sekali pegi 2rat?....


Full Text: http://juitazain.blogspot.com/2011/05/beda...695407441993623

Note - All Credit belongs to the Blogger. Thanks.

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Wow.
Didnt know such scams even exists!!!
Most probably what he did was to "perform" a surgery in which in fact he didnt even do it!
that'll explain the scarless painless surgery smile.gif
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SAPERTI KETERANGAN GAMBAR YANG DISIAR DALAM BOG NYA.(JOHARI MANSOR) YB.DATO` SERI DR. AHMAD ZAHID HAMIDI (MENTERI PERTAHANAN MALAYSI)YANG TELAH MENNYEMPURNA KAN KONVOKESYEN PERTUBUHAN SENI SILAT NYA.........PENERIMAAN DARJAH KERABAT DARI DYMM SRI SULTAN KANJENG PANGERAN SERI RADEN JOHARI MANSOR............

MAKA DENGAN PEKARA SAPERTI TERSEBUT DIATAS.. BERTAMBAT RAMAI LAH RAAYAT MALAYSIA YANG AKAN JADI MANGSA PENIPUAN NYA?. MEMBERI KEYAKINAN KAPADA MEREKA..SANGKAAN MEREKA JOHARI MANSOR TERSANGAT HEBAT ILMU BEDAH BATIN NYA... JIKA DIA SAORANG PENIPU MASA KAN MENTERI HENDAK DATANG. UNTUK MENYEMPURNA KONVOKESYEN PERTUBUHAN SILAT NYA?.

DENGAN PEKARA SAPERTI TERSEBUT DI ATAS JUGAK LAH...PELUANG NYA UNTUK MEMPERALAT KAN?.UNTUK MEYAKIN KAN YANG AKAN BAKAL JADI MANGSA MANGSA PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN NYA KUNUN BETUL. MENGUNA ILMU ALLAH X ADA BATASAN NYA. DIA BUKAN PENIPU ORANGNYA. KUNUN JIKA DIA PENIPU MASA KAN MENTERI DATANG KA KONVOKESYEN SILAT NYA?...

APA YANG SAYA TAHU MEMANG SAYA TAHU KERANA RAMAI YANG MEMBERI TAHU PADA SAYA. YANG MEREKA ADA MEMBUAT BEDAH
BATIN DENGAN JOHARI MANSOR. ADA DIANTARA MEREKA BAYARAN YANG DIKENA KAN HAMPIR RM.10.000 RISIT BAYARAN X DI BERI
MEREKA RASA TELAH TERTIPU KERANA PENYAKIT X SEMBUH SAPERTI YANG DI JANJI KAN.

SAPERTI PEKARA TERSEBUT DIATAS JUGAK LAH , YANG SUDAH JADI MANGSA PENIPUAN NYA . TAKUT HENDAK BUAT ADUAN .KERANA SANGKAAN MEREKA JOHARI MANSOR SAORANG YANG HEBAT. YANG JADI PENAUNG PERTUBUHAN SILAT NYA ADALAH PEMBESAR NEGARA SAPERTI YANG MEREKA BACA DALAM IKLAN NYA. WALAU PUN SADAR MEREKA TELAH KENA TIPU.KAPADA SIAPA LAH MEREKA HENDAK MENGADU HENDAK BUAT ADUAN PULIS X ADA BUKTI SIAPA HENDAK PERCAYA DENGAN ADUAN MEREKA.

AGAR ORANG RAMAI X TERUS JADI MANGSA PENIPUAN SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN JOHARI MANSOR.DIHARAP PIHAK BERKUASA ATASI LAH PEKARA INI...JUGA DIHARAP PIHAK AKHBAR HENTI KAN LAN IKLAN SIPENIPU INI...SEPATUT NYA PIHAK AKHBAR DEDAH LAH JUGA KISAH PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN JOHARI MANSOR DENGAN JELAS..SAYA ADA JUGA BACA KALAU X SILAP AKHBAR METRO ADA MENDEDAH PENIPUAN
BEDAH BATIN.TETAPI TENTANG PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN JOHARI MANSOR X ADA PULA? .....

ADA MANGSA PENIPUAN BEDAH BATIN NYA MEMBERI TAHU PADA SAYA SALEPAS UPACARA SANDIWARA BEDAH BATIN SELESAI .SATELAH KUNUN BUANG KETMBUHAN DALAM PERUT SUDAH DIKELUAR KAN.SIPESAKIT MINTA HENDAK BAWAK BALIK KUNUN KETUMBUHAN YG KELUAR DALAM PERUT NYA. TAPI SI JOHARI X BERI,ALASAN TAKUT BERJANGKIT...SEBENAR DIA TAKUT TEMBELANG NYA PECAH.......

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Orang yang menipu dan mengaut kekayaan hasil daripada kesusahan orang lain tidak akan hidup senang....


We will see in a few months to come as to what will happen to these charlatans... I will make sure that people will always be reminded about scams such as this.

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Alhamdulillah, eventually I can access this forum after several failed trials. I am an Indonesian and also a Javanese. I had worked as an Islamic teacher in Sabah several years ago for about 5 years.
Since July 2005 I have documented that JOHARI MANSOR USED MANY FAKE ACADEMIC TITLES and DID A FAKE SURGERIES. I had warned several Sabahans since July 2005. I wrote 3 email messages to VARIASI, WAWANCARA and 999 TV3 to warn them that Johari Mansor is a real conman. As an Islamic teacher, I understand how to distinguish between the right from wrong.
I have many documented proofs about the QUACKERY Johari Mansor had made since around 35 years ago. Alhough I don't know him personally and did never met him, I have compiled a very detailed documentation about him, his family and people around him.
Please kindly wait for my special report on this *******! I would really like to share with all Malaysian people.
Thank you for letting me to join this forum. I really appreciate it. Thank you Cybersetan for making this forum available to everyone in South East Asia.
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QUOTE(alfaqir40 @ Mar 3 2011, 04:16 PM)
Alhamdulillah, eventually I can access this forum after several failed trials. I am an Indonesian and also a Javanese. I had worked as an Islamic teacher in Sabah several years ago for about 5 years.
Since July 2005 I have documented that JOHARI MANSOR USED MANY FAKE ACADEMIC TITLES and DID A FAKE SURGERIES. I had warned several Sabahans since July 2005. I wrote 3 email messages to VARIASI, WAWANCARA and 999 TV3 to warn them that Johari Mansor is a real conman. As an Islamic teacher, I understand how to distinguish between the right from wrong.
I have many documented proofs about the QUACKERY Johari Mansor had made since around 35 years ago. Alhough I don't know him personally and did never met him, I have compiled a very detailed documentation about him, his family and people around him.
Please kindly wait for my special report on this *******! I would really like to share with all Malaysian people.
Thank you for letting me to join this forum. I really appreciate it. Thank you Cybersetan for making this forum available to everyone in South East Asia.
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I'm looking forward to that... may he and his family members who are actively cheating sick and dying people be stopped forever.
I will go all out against him and his activities when I come back from India.

Here is another video of this FAKE DOCTOR doing his FAKE SURGERY:



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QUOTE(alfaqir40 @ Mar 3 2011, 04:16 PM)
Alhamdulillah, eventually I can access this forum after several failed trials. I am an Indonesian and also a Javanese. I had worked as an Islamic teacher in Sabah several years ago for about 5 years.
Since July 2005 I have documented that JOHARI MANSOR USED MANY FAKE ACADEMIC TITLES and DID A FAKE SURGERIES. I had warned several Sabahans since July 2005. I wrote 3 email messages to VARIASI, WAWANCARA and 999 TV3 to warn them that Johari Mansor is a real conman. As an Islamic teacher, I understand how to distinguish between the right from wrong.
I have many documented proofs about the QUACKERY Johari Mansor had made since around 35 years ago. Alhough I don't know him personally and did never met him, I have compiled a very detailed documentation about him, his family and people around him.
Please kindly wait for my special report on this *******! I would really like to share with all Malaysian people.
Thank you for letting me to join this forum. I really appreciate it. Thank you Cybersetan for making this forum available to everyone in South East Asia.
Warmest regards from Javanese land,

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it is nice to see citizens and non-citizens getting together to fight against con artist/s

i still cannot believe that this person has/d been in operation for the past 35 years, and it has taken this long for action to be taken against him, it is just appalling, the amount of people swindled, will never truly be known

it is also clear that his son is just along for the ride, why bite the hand that feeds you, it is evident from his Facebook account that he lacks education, in his profile under the arts & entertainment tab, under books, its just listed as "X Bace Buku", his activities are "Tido" and "Baring"

if it was not for the persistent dedication and fact finding done by CyberSetan and contributors of this thread, I just wonder how many more people would have been swindled

seeing the actions taken by CyberSetan and other contributors makes me proud of being a Malaysian, good work rclxms.gif
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Here is an earlier case:


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http://malaysianmedicine.wordpress.com/200...rged-under-act/

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New Info from Sabah ->


PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON (KELENTONG) TG.ARU BRANCH WAS RAIDED BY THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH TODAY (SUNDAY) 5/6/2011 !!


The culprits behind the SCAM SURGERY there are JOHARI MANSOR's SONS:


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Raden Azrul Amirullah bin Johari Mansor


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We will wait for further action by higher authorities in the Ministry of Health, this will be updated from time to time~

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any updates on the douche ??
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jun 5 2011, 09:19 PM)
New Info from Sabah ->


PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON (KELENTONG) TG.ARU BRANCH WAS RAIDED BY THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH TODAY (SUNDAY) 5/6/2011 !!


The culprits behind the SCAM SURGERY there are JOHARI MANSOR's SONS:
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Raden Azrul Amirullah bin Johari Mansor


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Raden Zulfadhli bin Johari Mansor



We will wait for further action by higher authorities in the Ministry of Health, this will be updated from time to time~
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QUOTE(x-199Tx @ Jun 6 2011, 12:15 PM)
any updates on the douche ??
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Apart from the above, Here is another update:

Added on 6/6/2011


Latest blog excerpt (May 2011) from another victim of JOHARI MANSOR:

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...ok, so aku nak share pgalaman family aku sendiri yg buat pmbedahan ni, nenek aku yg disahkan sakit buah pinggang buat lah pmbedahan ni dekat sape tu? datuk johari eh?

ok ape-ape jelah kan, katenye, dia bedah mcm real, ditutup dgn kain putih bahagian atas badan. then takda sorang pon boleh tgok!

pastu konon-konon dia tunjuk la buah pinggang nenek aku kat pakcik aku yg telah dikuarkan, tapi... buah pinggang tu atas kain putih tadi, dia nak bersih kan, hell no! nak percaye tak?


   then, pas buat pmbedahan nenek aku pon still mcm biase and makin terukkk? kaki sume bengkak, sampai la pegi hosp.

dia kata nenek aku ni mcm takde prubahan. mean what? tipu kan? haishh 5 ribu wihh, bukan sikit! then 2 minggu sekali kena p, kos tok sekali pegi 2rat?....


Full Text: http://juitazain.blogspot.com/2011/05/beda...695407441993623

Note - All Credit belongs to the Blogger. Thanks.

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Fraud victim is advised to make police report about fraud (pembedahan batin) which is done by keraton premise. then the investigation process will be done by the police department[cool.gif[SIZE=7][COLOR=red]

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Fuh, it tooks me around 2hours+ to read all the post to get understand the whole picture.

Someone can refer this fella to James Randi! hahaha.
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throw these conman into prison, the worst thing to give to a person suffering from any illness is false hope at their expense

they can play drop the soap everyday in prison
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i saw the first operation video. the brain surgery video. I am with medical line and have seen countless surgery in OT. he is using hardware shop hammer for god sakes.OT hammer is full stainless steel..the clothes that cover other area is loose and blocking the doctor view n movement. this will never happen. then he operate in dark, the light didn't even light the area he operate properly.. i don't even have interest to look at his other video..
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i saw the first operation video. the brain surgery video. I am with medical line and have seen countless surgery in OT. he is using hardware shop hammer for god sakes.OT hammer is full stainless steel..the clothes that cover other area is loose and blocking the doctor view n movement. this will never happen. then he operate in dark, the light didn't even light the area he operate properly.. i don't even have interest to look at his other video..
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don't even classify it as brain surgery, the room is not prepared for surgery. the patient would have died from infection if it was actually done, just think of this dumbass as a very poor illusionist.

he could have even used a jackhammer and some morons would think that it is "surgery".

well at least some action is finally taken, we have to make sure this idiot and his prodigal line of idiots are barred from medical practice.
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QUOTE(Amrik @ Jun 8 2011, 12:08 AM)
don't even classify it as brain surgery, the room is not prepared for surgery. the patient would have died from infection if it was actually done, just think of this dumbass as a very poor illusionist.

he could have even used a jackhammer and some morons would think that it is "surgery".

well at least some action is finally taken, we have to make sure this idiot and his prodigal line of idiots are barred from medical practice.
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It seems that one of the KERATON clips in Youtube has been removed by either KERATON themselves or by a victim of the KERATON SURGICAL SCAM.
Fortunately I have most (if not all) of the KERATON's SCAM SURGERY clips from Youtube.

I have RE-UPLOADED it again for the benefit of others that could have otherwise fall for this SCAM. In addition to that, I have put some narrations in the clip (in Malay language) to further explain what is being done.

See the following:



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Added on 30/6/2011 - Also - the following are the warnings given by the MINISTRY OF HEALTH (in Malay) - click the spoilers:



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also added to the 1st page~!!
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Please understand the rules of posting:

9) Stop reviving dead threads
If a the thread is over 2 weeks old and the original poster has stopped posting in it... leave it alone. Of course if you have something really important to add then you're welcome to do so. But if you're simply adding something for the sake of posting or repeating what has already been posted, you're being counter productive and that's stupid.

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We are gathering info about their current activities - and we managed to get hold of some new info (yet to be released to public)...

That criminal Johari Mansor is still apparantly going around freely even after numerous frauds that he did~!

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As for the recent info... We will refer it first to the Ministry of Health and Islamic Dept. for further assesment - and steps to be taken against this scammer and his family...

in the mean time - here is some info worth understanding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_surgery

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After attending tonnes of surgeries, it is much obvious how stupid the actings and the props are. You can easily deceive poor, uneducated people but not people like OP.

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I'd like to know why, after all these efforts to highlight this spin doctor, people are still visiting his clinic? Perhaps Malaysians just LOVE to be hoodwinked, scammed, and literally sell their faith and soul to some self-proclaimed 'royalty' and an shame to the both the Muslim and to the medical society.

Same goes for the Mahaguru58 coward. He still posts about irrelevant crap and his Stone Age views on his blog. It's harder to troll there since he decided to put an anti-anon cap on it. I still think that he secretly funds Pusat Rawatan Keraton and gets testicular massages bi-weekly from Dr. Raden and his 'ketuekampung' son.
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fuh gile kentang lah ini raden scam orang...maju gila otak dia ....

last2 kene tangkap kahakhakhak tue ler..orang tamak..

btw mana anak dia yg kecoh2 tue ?? masih tak mengaku ke bapak dia tue scammer yg

terbesar kat malaysia nie
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Latest Reminder from the TCM Department, Ministry of Health:
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a cartoon of 'Johari Mansor' is seen in it - indicating that the Govt. is well aware of this scammer.

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why the heck, the gomen are not putting him behind bars, for illegal practice?
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An interesting news:

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ARKIB : 11/07/2007

Azean Irdawaty tabah perangi kanser[/COLOR]

Oleh WANDA IDRIS


“PEMBEDAHAN itu turut membuang 16 kelenjar di bawah ketiak.” – Azean Irdawaty.

“MEREKA yang tidak faham tentang kanser beranggapan ia adalah maut tetapi bagi Kak Yan, ia adalah satu survivor (kelangsungan hidup).” Demikian prinsip Azean Irdawaty terhadap penyakit kanser payu dara yang dihidapinya, sekali gus memberikannya semangat untuk meneruskan kehidupan.

Aktres itu mengakui, berfikiran terbuka dan positif membolehkannya menghadapi penyakit yang menjadi pembunuh utama kaum wanita itu.

Malah dia beranggapan bahawa ketika ini merupakan saat penting bagi dirinya untuk mengambil segala peluang yang ada.

Selain bertarung dengan penyakitnya, masa ini juga memerlukan dia untuk menikmati setiap saat bersama orang tercinta - suami, anak, menantu dan cucu kesayangannya.

“Bagi Kak Yan, satu saat yang berlalu adalah sejarah dan satu saat yang bakal menjelang adalah kerja Allah. Tetapi Kak Yan ada saat (ketika) ini untuk meraikan apa sahaja.

“Kehidupan ini indah dan kitalah yang mengaturkannya. Ya! Kak Yan mahu menikmati hidup dengan bahagia,” kata aktres yang pernah menggondol anugerah Pelakon Wanita Terbaik Festival Filem Malaysia menerusi filem Langit Petang pada 1982.

Maka tidak hairanlah kalau kita sentiasa melihat Azean ceria dengan wajah berseri selepas menjalani pembedahan mastektomi pada 27 Jun lalu.

Walaupun sedang menanggung penderitaan tetapi tidak pernah sekalipun dia menunjukkan wajah muram, jauh sekali seperti orang sakit.

Sebaliknya wajahnya sentiasa berseri-seri dan dia juga aktif. Tidak sahaja suka berceloteh dan ketawa. Kata Azean, dia juga mengemas biliknya (di hospital) pada setiap pagi.

Sehinggakan doktor menasihatkan dia agar memperlahankan aktivitinya kerana baru sahaja menjalani rawatan dan memerlukan rehat.

“Nak mati kita tidak tahu bila dan di mana. Itu kerja Allah. Tetapi menikmati satu kehidupan, semuanya di bawah kawalan kita.

“Kita yang berusaha untuk mendapatkan apa yang kita ingini,” katanya penuh optimis ketika ditemui di Hospital Putrajaya, Khamis lalu, beberapa hari sebelum dibenarkan keluar.

Menurut Azean yang terkenal dengan lakonannya yang berkesan, seperti orang lain, dia juga pernah berasa kecewa dengan penyakitnya.

“Tetapi saya mahu hidup dan Tuhan berikan kekuatan itu kepada saya,” katanya yang mengakui bukan seorang yang cepat melatah.

“Kak Yan juga seorang yang tenang dan tidak mudah dipengaruhi dan bukan seorang yang cepat membuat andaian,” tambahnya.

Malah Azean memberitahu, dia banyak mengetahui mengenai fakta tentang kanser dan sentiasa memenuhi dadanya dengan segala pengetahuan mengenai penyakit berbahaya itu.

“Kak Yan banyak membaca, bertanya kepada doktor dan bercakap dengan cancer survivor dan ia memberi pengetahuan kepada Kak Yan untuk Kak Yan mengendalikan kehidupan,” jelasnya.

Nanu sedarkan Azean

“Memang dulu Kak Yan selalu fikir tentang bagaimana kehidupan anak- anak sekiranya Kak Yan mati,” kata Azean yang telah pun menyedari kewujudan ketumbuhan di payu daranya sejak 16 tahun lalu tetapi ia tidak sakit dan [COLOR=red]hanya menjalani perubatan tradisional termasuk pembedahan batin
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Added on October 18, 2012, 1:54 am
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Azean Irdawaty mahu mengundi walaupun sedang sakit

Oleh NOR IDAYU BOSRO


SHAHRIZAT (dua dari kiri) bertanya sesuatu kepada Azean di Bandar Utama, Petaling Jaya semalam.

PETALING JAYA – Dramatis terkenal tanah air, Azean Irdawaty, 62, menyatakan hasrat untuk mengundi meskipun dia kini sedang terlantar sakit akibat penyakit kanser payu dara yang dihidapinya sejak enam tahun lalu.

Azean yang lebih mesra disapa Kak Yan berkata, dia tidak mahu melepaskan peluang untuk menjalankan tanggungjawab sebagai warganegara pada pilihan raya umum akan datang.

“Walaupun tidak sihat, Kak Yan tidak mahu ketinggalan untuk mengundi kerana bagi Kak Yan, kita kena laksanakan tanggungjawab bagi memastikan masa depan negara terjamin.

“Buat masa ini, pergerakan Kak Yan agak terbatas tetapi itu bukan alasan untuk tidak menjalankan tanggungjawab sebagai rakyat,” katanya.


http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_02.htm



THis is another stern reminder to all~
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