In the middle of the night, you were sound asleep.. Suddenly the vase fell from the table and broke into pieces LOUDLY... you were shocked and woke up thinking it's just the wind.. then you continue to sleep. Ok long story cut short, u know what i mean.

Explanation

Poltergeist denotes an invisible spirit or ghost that manifests itself by moving and influencing objects, generally in a particular location such as a house or room or place within a house. Poltergeists have been reported in many cultures. Each has its own name for the phenomenon, while the features of the phenomenon are the same everywhere (rapping noises, object movement etc). This does not prove that the phenomenon is real however, but rather that it is a common experience and may be due to a common psychosis. Places that poltergeists have been reported include India (where they are known as a Mumai), the United States, England, Japan and Brazil.

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Is there such thing or not? If there is, do you think it's a natural phenomenon to have poltergeist happening (objects would suddenly drop) or actually a ghost or spirit really does exist and they are making all these mess?

Sometime something will just happpen somewhere out of nowhere....

This post has been edited by chezzball: Jun 20 2009, 03:53 PM

We can just term it as unseen forces. Well, literally in fact. A stray flux in the magnetic field which resonates with a particular object causing it to vibrate or move.

Its hardly to move an object like sofa or close the door or window. If u want to use the 'unseen forces', u need to think where does the 'unseen forces' come from? For me, its the spirit.

My religious friend believes that things such as poltergeists/ghosts are actually Satan's demons.
They can appear in any form possible.

As a skeptic, all I can say with confidence is that when one considers the requirements for a ghost story to be true, the most reasonable position is that there is a naturalistic explanation for all these stories, but we often do not or cannot have all the details necessary to provide that explanation. We must rely on anecdotal evidence, which is always incomplete and selective, and which is often passed on by interested, inexperienced, superstitious parties who are ignorant of basic physical laws. Thus, there will always be stories like the "Bell Witch" story that attract much attention, especially when made into movies, that will lead many people to think that maybe there is something to this one, even if all the other ghost stories are false. The "Bell Witch" is alleged to be "a sinister entity that tormented a family on Tennessee’s frontier between the years of 1817 and 1821."* The likelihood that we don't have all the evidence in this case is proportionate to the number of years that have passed since the events allegedly took place.

http://www.skepdic.com/poltergeist.html

is this even empirically debatable? usually anything that cant be explained by science, it is thus categorized under a different belief system, namely religion.

so is this the right place for this sort of discussion? im quite skeptical.

Yet to be explained. Emphasis on YET. Hypothesis on this based on existence of different dimension beyond the 4th is the closest so far.

We should not attribute all supernatural to the "wonders" of religion and whatever "supreme being" that may come with the hype.

science is a self correcting system. before it gets to explain the "wonders" of religion in a testable and experimental manner, lets us embrace the beauty of the devine "god". enjoy it while it lasts

As usual when these topics arise, 1 question will be raised: Does it really exist?

You'll get fair share of people supporting both sides. Some people including myself chosed to believe (not 100%) when you actually experience these stuff and couldn't find any other means to explain it.

Mine was just a single encounter however I have 2 friends who have those "yin yang" eyes which is what chinese calls it. They see it all the time, everywhere. How do you explain that? Maybe related to "the string theory" ? They have better access to the other dimensions?

Your friend need to see optician??? hahahahaha... just kidding...
hmmmm.., does other culture besides Chinese are able to see ghost?

Some say because their "eye level" drop to a certain level whereby they can see it like you just mention. What did you see back then?

The unseen force is there to be proven.. I myself believe they exist.. It is down to whether it wanted to be seen or not only.. Certain people cant c it but they can felt it.. some can see it thus felt it.. v human, when v die, where do v go? Is there any spirit or soul left in us? Dont jus plant the thought of dead people go to either hell or heaven.. V bound to left some sort of spirit or unseen force behind when v left tis world when v r dead.. No 1 can prove it as no 1 dead can be come bac alive to tell u so.. Unless u r talking bout medium conversation..

do cows and chickens have souls?what happen to them after we slaughter thousands of them everyday for our consumption?

They might or might not.. U cant deny they dont exist jus becos u dont know or dont believe right? And at the end of the day it is down to u to believe.. Human r always in denial unless they c it for themselve..cant be blame..

It doesn't take a Chinese only to see unidentified objects.

Thanks for the reminder.
Can you specify other cultures that have relation on these paranormal event?

I heard once that most of the movie show that we see are really what the people whom have the third eyes can see...

i too had experiences such as these ..
but sometimes i wonder is there any scientific explanation behind these ? cos i dowan to go back to ghost all the time ..

Ghosts exist alright.

But they exist nothing more than the greatest ghost that resides within ourselves.

Fear.

Our natural, inborn trait of fear of the unknown.

So I've believed that ghosts do not exist as a separate entity from us.

It is INSIDE of us. A more "scientific" explanation is that ghosts are merely manifestations of our minds, that was bring forth by our own insecurities, and fear.

And when fear and insecurity takes over...

That's when you get admitted to a mental hospital, claiming to see ghosts and spirits.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 7 2009, 01:50 AM

Don't be afraid and this what Chinese will do. Next time if you have such encounter, go down on your knees and beg/ask for 4D or Toto numbers.


This post has been edited by segamatboy: Jul 7 2009, 02:58 AM

Nice one xD.... , I experience once, in National Service.... It was on a Sunday afternoon when I was washing my cloths in Bravo's Toilet alone, i was busy Sms~ing my frens then I saw 1 of the pail moves just abit ( i thought it was my imagination ) when i look at my phone again, i saw some text " u mahu mati, ........................ * for a just a split second before i can finish readng the whole sentence... i straight ran to the basketball field >.<.... leaving my laundry behind

I saw it before. So no need to proof it anymore.

You owe me money. I saw you borrowing money from me. So no need to prove it.

but aint chinese said, if you ask for 4D or Toto numbers and when u really strike and win, u need to serve under him... you need to feed him well... whatever he ask u to do, then u need to follow or else, he'll do some sort of not good thing not only to you but your families as well.... in other word, you are actually turning to be his slave

i have read somewhere that "i see dead people" syndrome is due to improper development of retina and/or optical center. basically, they have area in their vision that are "blind spots" and the brain naturally fills in the missing portion with information. sometimes these information is sourced from imagination (even more so if a children is involved, as their brain is filled with imagination)

you never notice chinese ghost seer seeing western/african ghost. vice versa, haley joel osment only see western ghost. they are limited by their knowledge/imagination. and those "ghost" are usually silent because they are artifact of your optics and not your ears.

QFT.

Plus, people never tend to see these ghosts NAKED, considering how some died without clothes on, or cremated ones.

good point...they are always dressed up.
I wonder why...

I saw few nekkid ghosts before.

i never seen ghost before, so should i believe cause this getting pretty annoying

Why do people afraid of ghost? They bite? I don't think so. For me i never seen ghost before. Im not sure they exist or not.

Heard them, seen them, dunno how to prove them though.

people is scared of things they don't understand.

some people simply have minds too unexplored. that's why they moved things unintendingly with their mind and called it a poltergeist event...

This post has been edited by bubblenetics: Jul 16 2009, 03:07 AM

i belief ghost is a supernatural being living in astral dimension..in astral form..we'll definitely see their form if there is a portal to astral dimension..

i've seen it myself to..

Do u guy notice that most of the ghost story pass around r people seeing spirit wif red or white plain cloth?

i want to believe but inside me, i still dont believe it.

i'd encounter quite few unknown figures but i'm not sure if it is my illusion or what. "they" do not resemble human figure wearing clothes or what but rather in shadow form moving unnaturally.

my most convincing encounters so far includes a fast moving white figure (me and a friend saw this, first encounter), a disembodied shadow (it shatters and disappear when i realized that it doesnt have a physical body) and 2 black figures with red horns, hands and feet that moves kinda like monkeys (this happens during sleep paralysis, my last encounter so far, and it gave me a week-long fever).

i never saw typical tv ghosts such as pontianak, long haired women in white robe, pocong etc. come to think about it nothing i saw resembles human at all.

if you ask me, i've had my fair share of exp since i always go back to my kampung(in front of a chinese graveyard)
like meeting ghosts,possesion but unlike other people my cousin has this 'third' eye so he's really quiet and only speaks if it's necessary..i sympathise with him really cause he says he can see them and they're everywhere doesnt matter it's day or night(he scares me really )

Youtube got plenty of paranormal shows and documentary. HK Gwaitan series probably the most infamous of them all.

Personally I don't really bother about his but let me tell you, there are two types of beings exist in this world - organic and inorganic beings. Both are as real as this world.

What we think and how we perceive depend on the position of our assemblage point.

Seconded that.

There are no hard evidence behind it other beliefs or religions.

This section is to discuss about science,not controversies.

look at the topic tag

Just because someone say it might be schizophrenia,so you put Psychology tag then.

Then,someone comes in and say it's Economics,then,the tag changes to economics.

the topic tag has been there since day 1

i have decided in my own perception that this topic is more towards human psychology and not non-science

nobody can tell me what's right and wrong.



This post has been edited by chezzball: Jul 30 2009, 12:13 PM

Poltergeists are real. They are spirits that usually aren't at peace and usually doesn't manifest, rather causes disturbances to surrounding objects.

in Islam, ghosts are not living dead or spirit of the dead.

Ghost is originated from Jin. The Devil is also quite the same species with Jin.
They are made out of fire. There are humans who are gifted and can see those entities, and also can communicate with them.

Jins attitude have similarities with human. There are good ones and evil ones.

Satan is made out of fire while jins are from smoke. correct me

Can you please tell us your experience? What is it like?

Yeah you're correct. People used to say "seeing is believing" and we humans are like that. Whether UFO's or ghosts are real though I'm more inclined to say that spirits are real since I myself have experienced close encounters with it.

But IMHO if you're strong in your own faith or religion - chances of u encountering it is minimal. But many people would say its better to believe in it than don't.