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Kidicarus
post Jul 23 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jul 23 2009, 10:28 AM)
i won't see much on 27".. why?
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Not mass market yet in terms of affordibility. A year ago, everyone was getting 22" - now 24" are becoming more common. I wouldn't be surprised if 27"ers came into fashion in the next financial year.


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post Jul 23 2009, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 23 2009, 11:16 AM)
Hard to see 27" become mainstream, cause most people sit quite close to their monitor (computer table depth limited) and there is an optimum viewing distance. I purposely buy a 85 cm depth table just so I dont strain myself and I'm only using a 23" LCD. Any bigger I think it would be abit uncomfortable. for me atleast.
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I've got quite a deep desk with probably vary similar dimensions to yours and this is partly due to the fact that i used to own a 19" CRT monitor which was pretty deep itself and i ended up sitting pretty close to it which admittedly was not as comfortable. Right now i'm using a dell 2408wfp, and it is pretty comfortable. I've not measured my viewing distance but i think I'm using it at about the recommended viewing distance. I am pretty sure i'd be able to handle 27" and 30".

I recently got a dell 24" for the office as well which cost about RM500+ which is a pretty mainstream price. I couldn't have seen myself getting a 24" in 2006 when i bought my first viewsonic 20" WS LCD which cost >RM1K which to me seemed extravagant. For me at least, it seems that it's the price that determines what it mainstream.

Also someone mentioned the size of the screen and resolution being too big, you are supposed to adjust the pitch size so that text and icons are at a good balance between clarity and readability. My dot pitch is set to 120dpi at the moment which ensures I don't have to sit too close to the monitor
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post Jul 23 2009, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jul 23 2009, 01:14 PM)
The pixels are properly matched on most LCD's these days so shouldn't be an issue. I've used 20", 22" and now 26" in the past year so if you ask me, bigger LCD does make a difference. In fact I'm looking at getting a 30" soon (if my wallet permits) laugh.gif
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I'm waiting till single slot GCs can produce decent fps at 2560x1200 before i make the jump to 30". Oh that and the fact the 30" prices aren't mainstream enough for me sad.gif
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post Jul 23 2009, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jul 23 2009, 01:27 PM)
There's already something called GTX 295 that would give you comfortable graphics at 2560x1200. Alternatively, you can do GTX 260 SLI.
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Dual processor though isn't it? I was under the assumption that it worked kinda like SLI but on a single card - and therefore SLI support had to be coded into the game/program. In any case - i usually hate those types of card for their heat/power consumption and noise. Anyway sorry for OT back to LCD monitors!
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post Jul 24 2009, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Jul 24 2009, 12:38 AM)
what about GTX285 then laugh.gif  rclxms.gif
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Was just looking at benchmarks - still can't handle crysis at very high details tongue.gif.

Anyway, i believe 30"ers run on dual link DVI, which means you need 2 DVI cables?

Which basically means I'll have problems running my current dual monitor setups - which i can't live without nowadays. So the only solution would be a dual GC card setup - whether sli/xfire or not. At this point in time, still not willing to have a pc that sounds like a vacuum cleaner when i power it up....

Anyway, all that is irrelevant, i don't really have any desire to upgrade my monitor or to a system that lets me game comfortably at 2560x1600. My next system build will be a HTPC which is a project i'll undertake next year. So to go back on topic, I know that thermaltake and silverstone sell cases with 7" touch screen lcds (this is the on topic part), anyone know of any suppliers here who bring in those overpriced parts? Also anyone here have any experience on the fidelity/quality of those 7" parts, would love to hear of your experiences.
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post Jul 25 2009, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 25 2009, 10:34 AM)
My guess, this has a lot to do with manfacturing cost and convenience, which 23" could be more cost effective to produce.

My wild guess only.
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I believe that's exactly right. Cutting lcd panels of 1920x1080 means you get more lcd panels than you would if you cut them at 1920x1200 panels.

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post Jul 27 2009, 01:16 PM

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Full HD just means that the screen resolution is 1920x1080 whereas HDMI enabled means you can connect via the hdmi port on your laptop. The VGA port will also give an analogue signal whereas the HDMI cable will be digital and will also provide sound in addition to graphics.
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post Jul 30 2009, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(sanderz @ Jul 29 2009, 05:01 PM)
lol, LCD got lag meh? use the fasters respons time LCD don't have such problem...  sweat.gif
use 2ms respons time LCD.
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Actually yes, because response time is not the same thing as lag or more specifically input lag. Input lag is caused by overdriving the monitor, that is increasing the voltage on the pixels. Overvolting the pixels will sometimes result in input lag on pva panels like my dell 2408wfp while on TN panels it can sometimes cause inverse ghosting.

An informative article can be found here http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/...-of-overdrive/1
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post Aug 27 2009, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Fyonne @ Aug 27 2009, 02:19 PM)
gaming is tertiary when i bought this monitor, i might wanna test it. but somehow my Steam is having pms, hence cant really run any game on it atm.
hard to say hows the effect as its my 1st non-tn panel monitor, unless u wan me to compare it with samsung TN panel monitor, i would say, the ultrasharp has better color, though it start up slower than the TN panel monitor (when u switch on the monitor) around twice the duration (around 2 seconds)
RM 2k.
refer this website. http://www1.ap.dell.com/my/en/business/mon...s=bsd&cs=mybsd1
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Oh! i didn't realise that they had finally replaced 2408wfp. (Which is a shame because i wanted to get a matching one for looks if the price dropped any lower)

Noticed that the panel type was IPS, which means that it should not suffer from the input lag you get from VA panels.

I also noticed that it doesn't have stereo out in the specs for people planning to plug hdmi connectors into the monitor.

If the picture quality is as good as (or better than) the 2408wfp, then grats! on a great buy!

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post Aug 28 2009, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(Sanko @ Aug 28 2009, 09:31 AM)
Still considering whether to offload my 2408 to change to U2410. If only they got 27 inch version that it can be considered as an upgrade. 24" change to 24" kinda weird.
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Changing from 2408wfp to U2410 (which sounds like a German submarine btw)

Upgrade= you get rid of about 30ms worth of input lag
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Downgrade=loss of inputs/outputs
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sidegrade

But if you get the U2410 in addition to your 2408wfp you get matching dual view monitor display (apart from the stands). Now that's gotta be cool.
QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Aug 27 2009, 09:20 PM)
to find anything between the price point of TN and IPS panels. VA/P-VA would fit in between but its so hard to actually find one here. Not many manufacturers produce them too.

I still can't justify the cost of getting an IPS panel since I'm not using it for professional work.


Actually, if you consider that IPS panels are superior to VA panels, then getting the U2410 at the same price as the 2408wfp which i got at about the same price a few months ago would be considered a bargain.

And i use it primarily for gaming - pc and consoles just because of the superior input options.

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post Aug 28 2009, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(december88 @ Aug 28 2009, 03:12 PM)
Yeah dirt cheap in Malaysia in Australia is RRP AUD899, can get 10% off so total around AUD 810. Still expensive.
Damn hope the price hold till christmas when i'm back then bring it to aussie next year.
This thing would look nice too for my new ps3 slim next year.  rclxms.gif
Worried abt the input lag now ......
cnet australia did the input lag test, any comments? is it good enough for FPS games?

http://www.cnet.com.au/dell-ultrasharp-u2410-339298064.htm
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From the results in game mode, that is really really really low input lag. Even with my current high latency monitor which is supposed to average about 30ms, i don't notice the lag with my FPS games.
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post Sep 1 2009, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Aug 31 2009, 10:59 PM)
Yea.
Because pixel-pitch on a 21-incher is so darn small when the resolution is at 1080p, you won't even realise that you could be squinting your eyes to look at the screen.

Bad in the long-term.
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I have never had a problem with this. That's what this setting is for

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post Sep 4 2009, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(yuka @ Sep 3 2009, 10:03 PM)
Ok guys, here's the pic :

This only happen at bright color, noticable in crysis game (the color went bad circle around the sun), hawk (same with crysis), plants vs zombie as picture below :

Original color :
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AOC 2434PW :
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Pairing with Gecube HD3870 X-Turbo III (DVI>HDMI port dongle)

*one thing, only noticeable when there's movement.. and not only in game, while browsing also got when scroll up and down.
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I think this is an example of inverse ghosting. It's what happens when you have a TN panel overdriven to give low ms response time.


Added on September 4, 2009, 3:40 am
QUOTE(limcc @ Sep 3 2009, 09:49 PM)
U2410 is a downgrade of I/O port compare to 2408WFP? the only thing missing is S-Video which hardly any device is using, not to mention the inferior PQ. if convenience is concern, the composite is almost universal. all I see is upgrades, like factory-tuned Adobe RGB and sRGB modes and PS panel--this alone justify the upgrade reason. in fact, I'm going to "upgrade" my 2709W(VA panel) to U2410(IPS panel) in the near future, sometime big don't equal better.
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It's a far better panel I agree. But the inputs for me are still useful as i have a few retro consoles plugged in at the same time. It's a convenience thing and I'm extremely lazy tongue.gif

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post Sep 4 2009, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(chtan @ Sep 4 2009, 09:13 AM)
Look like dithering for me, could some one confirm the panel in use is 8 or 6 bits?

Here is what i manage to dig up: http://forums.mactalk.com.au/28/71142-aoc-...24-monitor.html

Means that my 2494HS will also suffer from this issue? If i'm not mistaken, they both use the same panel.
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No i don't believe the problem lies with dithering. As i said, the problem is more likely caused by inverse ghosting from the overdriven panel. A possible solution would be to try some other modes in the LCD panel.

The discolouration you see is possibly caused by overvolting the lcd pixels to achieve that 2ms pixel response time.

A description of the problem can be found in this article. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/...-of-overdrive/5

So the problem doesn't lie so much with the lcd panel but more with the hardware pushing the panel.
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post Sep 4 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(Danitang @ Sep 4 2009, 02:01 PM)
HP 2408
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gateway 2400?
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Apparently the gatewar 2400 suffers from really horrible backlight bleeding

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