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post Jun 18 2009, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 18 2009, 04:15 PM)
Hi investors...

I have heard of CFA programe. I am curious.

Is this a very tough course?

I have no background in Finance nor Accounting, I am a science subject graduate (Chemistry). But I have a strong mathematics foundation (scored A during STPM). I am currently not even working in a Finance related position. But I am thinking of broadening my career option.

What else can a CFA holder work in other than as a analyst or in a Investment Fund House? Can a CFA holder be a CFO/Financial Controller of a corporate company?

Thanks.

Xuzen

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Dear Moderator,

I put this question in this forum rather than the education because I feel that there are more finance-literate forumers here and the target audience is more appropriate, thx.
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CFO/ Financial Controller unlikely.

I have an engineer friend with engineering degree doing that as well, first level passed, second level waiting for result.

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post Jun 19 2009, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 19 2009, 11:47 AM)
What is your engineer friend currently doing and what is his rationale for doing this course?
I have thought about it and I read it somewhere that CFA is of par level with Master in Finance but at a must lower cost.

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Engineer... He want to switch job.
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post Jun 20 2009, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 20 2009, 01:25 PM)
It is strange to know that one need to take a pay-cut (disadvantage) to study this course. I always assume, continuing education is to increase one's worth to a corporation/business. If what you say is true, then doing this extra work (study for CFA) and get a pay cut is quite illogical.

I am trying to avoid MBA because I think MBA nowadays are like Malaysia Datuks... simply throw a stone and you will easily hit one in the street. There are just too many of them and I postulate in very near future, the supply of MBA holders will be more than the demand for their service.

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MBA can assist in ant career (as manager), but CFA normally need to switch line (after some years, you probably have some increment, salary should be higher than fresh CFA).
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post Jun 22 2009, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 22 2009, 12:23 PM)
I am in my mid-30's.

I am a graduate in Chemistry. Currently I am running my family owned sundry shop (General Manager). I have been doing this job for almost 10 years already. You can say I am a bit bored with this job.

Of all the business aspect, I love the finance side the most. I also trade in shares as a side business/income and that is why I get to know about CFA & wishes to find out more about it. I don't mind going back to school again, at least to break the monotony.

Now you all have a clearer picture of my position.

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MBA is about networking, if you only care about the Certification ... sorry bro .... forget about whatever certs you plan to do ... that is truly wasting time and money.


I am sorry you think of it this way. If networking is what one truly wishes, then by all means join a political party and rub shoulder with the leaders and get lucrative contracts, or maybe join a top notch golf clubs and rub shoulder with some tycoons to seal business deals. I find your idea of education is so warped. But then each is entitled to one's opinion, whatever float your boat. I just don't share your opinion.

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I think you might suffer a bit because you don't have financial background, for those accountant, turn CFA is just switching end from preparing account to analyze account (kind of). CFA do need to have some basic accounting skill. But for your case, if you are going to continue your business, CFA level 1 should be a plus for your investment skill. Level 2 & 3 require some extensive study which you might want to re-consider after your level 1.

But personal opinion, the more you know, the more you don't know; the more you don't know, the more you scare; the more you scare, the more you not dare; the more you not dare, the more you loss tongue.gif
Analysis end up knowing too much to feel scare of every counter around every corner tongue.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 22 2009, 03:19 PM)
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I think you might suffer a bit because you don't have financial background, for those accountant, turn CFA is just switching end from preparing account to analyze account (kind of). CFA do need to have some basic accounting skill. But for your case, if you are going to continue your business, CFA level 1 should be a plus for your investment skill. Level 2 & 3 require some extensive study which you might want to re-consider after your level 1.

But personal opinion, the more you know, the more you don't know; the more you don't know, the more you scare; the more you scare, the more you not dare; the more you not dare, the more you lossĀ  tongue.gif
Analysis end up knowing too much to feel scare of every counter around every corner


Yeah, thanks for helping me put things into perspective. I do not wish at this time to completely abandon my current job, I am responsible to keep my family business going... you know the typical eldest son, family responsibility bla bla bla thingy.

I might just enroll into level 1 for a preview, I am not that keen to be a Chartered Holder, my main purpose is to obtain some formal education/training to help me be a better investor. Taking Level 1 only seem like a good idea.

Xuzen
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Good luck, but study without going exam also will gain you knowledge tongue.gif
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post Nov 16 2009, 09:53 AM

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Have anyone thinking of accounting qualification anyway? Because one side preparing account (accountants), the other side analyze that account (CFA), knowing tricks on one side and you already half way on the other side liao tongue.gif And the accounting papers did their part in analysis also (you cannot know nothing when you know someone is going to read and analyze your work), just my 2 cents tongue.gif
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post Nov 16 2009, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 16 2009, 09:59 AM)
Both train people to be Kaisu and kaisi.

In the end , after finishing the course, you think only Public Bank is the stock is qualified to buy.

Of course, if you are under employment, you may need to say lot of things beyond your conscious.

By the way, i do not have any CFA. cool2.gif so I can  just simply buy.
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Haha... sometime that's true also...
The more you know -> the more you don't know;
the more you don't know -> the more you scare;
the more you scare -> the more you not dare;
the more you not dare -> the more you lose out tongue.gif

The trainings provide you with better bottom line (cover backside by kiasi & kiasu), but no better up line tongue.gif
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post Nov 16 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 16 2009, 10:36 AM)
I get what you mean.

I'm taking the course not because I want to pick the right stocks and earn money. I just want to understand the economics better.

And I do agree the more you know, the more you actually don't know. But then again, if everyone having this theory in mind and think that courses are not worth to go for to enhance knowledge, then what's the initial purpose of study, right?
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Okok... personal opinion...
I not regretted having such knowledge, because sometime it's kind of fun when you notice something going not so right in a company while others keep rushing in while you stay still, later the whole thing bust and proven you are right on your decision, also when you notice something is seriously undervalued while other dump that in panic, later proven you are right; I not trying to be mean, and often I erred in decision like that and missed opportunities (that's why sky means, he not trying to be mean either tongue.gif ).

Being better equipped with knowledge reduce damage that might happen to you, but that also limit the upside you are going to get, because if you stay rational while market going irrational, chances are you underperformed market. But you might be able to sleep better tongue.gif

Just my 2 cents.

 

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