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post Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM, updated 17y ago

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Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:22 PM

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because of the 'curiosity'.
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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jun 16 2009, 04:22 PM)
because of the 'curiosity'.
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Seconded that.

Just curiosity of humans.
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because of searching another hope for human kind.....if u really carefully what nasa doing...they keep report found a earth likeplanet...but with bigger size...or something wrong...earth gonna die after few decade...if u realize..but other than that...they also looking for something unexplanable...or whether is there another system which have living being on certain galaxy.....


earth resources...is decreasing...if u really care about earth all the so called "green proejct" is kinda late to save earth now...


searching for new planet is kinda late...IMO...who knows how many years gonna spend to look for something we can continue live on...

there is one sentence always reminds me....but forgot from who....the scariest, danger, or enemy of earth...is Human..damage is never end...

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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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Some people say it's too late to reverse what we have done to the earth. I think it's also due to human greed and ignorance that we continue exploiting the earth. Ideally everyone should play their part in caring for the environment. But we humans seem to have everything else on our mind that environment is usually given the lowest priority. There might come a point where earth would be so damaged that it would not be able to sustain life anymore, and that's why scientist are looking for substitutes long before that happens. Or are we already quite close to that point?
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Humans are known to be inquisitive....like in the 14xx, 15xx, 16xx, 17xx.....human ventured out of seas to the new world....

It is the inquisitiveness of human, that makes progress for our civilisation...

I support space exploration.

6 billion on earth and still growing, earth itself, never enough...
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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TS there are alot of purpose humans going to space not oni 2 explore...

Some experiments simply can't be done on Earth. That's why NASA is building the International Space Station, a full-time low-gravity research lab. It's also why NASA schedules space shuttle missions dedicated to scientific research.

according to Dr.Sheikh Muszapha in an interview, he said he can get a better view of cancer cells in space than on earth.. better view of the particles inside the cancer cells
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post Jun 16 2009, 05:31 PM

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Space Exploration! It's not about the aliens, for Christ sake! Here's a breakdown on the importance of Space Exploration...

Process of TERRAFORMING a.k.a I want to live in Mars! (as long as it's turned out livable for humankind)

INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLENCE a.k.a Remember Corona series back in August 1960? The U.S. maintained a strong lead in this super-secret technology throughout the Cold War and it was the only distinct intelligence advantage this nation ever really had. Since the U.S. won the Cold War, you simply can't dismiss the importance of this capability. (I would recommend yu to buy a Sony PS3 & play the Metal Gear Solid 4:Guns of the Patriots). I learnt something from gaming! By the way, I don't play DotA everyday...MUAHAHAHA~~~

INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY a.k.a DUH! It's the only reason we went to the Moon.

NATURAL RESOURCES a.k.a mining for raw minerals ABUTHEN?! (Like heroes in DotA, they have to farm the Creeps) Yu think items in DotA is free?!

RESEARCH a.k.a one word is sufficiently defining for itself. Remember the Kuiper Belt?

TECHNOLOGY SPIN-OFFs a.k.a HAIZZZ...need to explain? Kidney dialysis (from Apollo programme), new artificial heart from technology used in Space Shuttle, insulin pumps, prosthetic devices...

COMUNICATION a.k.a telephone & TV communications around the world, weather observation and prediction (notably hurricanes), land surveys, and navigation (notably the Global Positioning System, GPS). Aaahhh...now only yu know the importance of Space Exploration. Yu get TV programme!!!...and it forces yu to stay glued in front of the idiot box! MUAHAHAHA~~~

BECAUSE IT"S THERE??!! HUH? a.k.a seabed explorations...it's similar to space exploration. One is down one is up...Hehehe~~~

Regards, Joey

p.s: I wouldn't want to end up like those dinosaurs. Space exploration for me is POSITIVE...the reason why? I don't want to end up like those dinosaurs that once roamed our planet Earth.

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Ah, space technology do improve basic human livelihood, which is agriculture...

For example, the remote sensing satelite....its uses are :

- Crop acreage and yield estimation
- Drought warning and assessment
- Flood control and damage assessment
- Land use/land cover information
- Agro-climatic planning
- Wasteland management
- Water resources management
- Under-ground water exploration
- Prediction of snow-melt run-off
- Management of water- sheds and command areas,
- Fisheries developments
- Mineral prospecting forest resources survey

Just like our Tiungsat
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:35 PM)
Ah, space technology do improve basic human livelihood, which is agriculture...

For example, the remote sensing satelite....its uses are :

- Crop acreage and yield estimation
- Drought warning and assessment
- Flood control and damage assessment
- Land use/land cover information
- Agro-climatic planning
- Wasteland management
- Water resources management
- Under-ground water exploration
- Prediction of snow-melt run-off
- Management of water- sheds and command areas,
- Fisheries developments
- Mineral prospecting forest resources survey

Just like our Tiungsat
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These reasons are enough for the purpose of enriching Space Technology. And from my example :

-Scouting of enemy activity
-Getting the map of the area before mounting an attack
-Aerial Surveillance
-To direct missiles to strike with accuracy
-Guidance to our troops
-Telecommunication between troops and commanders
-Sending information quickly to the commander
-Managing troops ,e.g. knowing where ur soldiers are
-Hacking into enemies' intelligence

Just like US spy-satellite spying over Iraq.
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For the detractors of space exploration, most of them, have the culture of complecency....

If we go with their words, there will be no progress...

Without satelite, huh.....football punters won't have good life!

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Space is the final frontier.. its important for us to continue exploration. Just like how Christopher Columbus travel across the Atlantic in search of new world.. exploration is exciting, it opens new opportunities.

Our progress has been small.. the farthest we've gone to is to the moon.. with some efforts now to go further to Mars..

It is important for space exploration to continue..because it is what propels space technology. The efforts now should now be geared towards improving space technology in order to prevent future catastrophe like comet/meteor threats to earth and global warming. This is more important than any mission to mars or discovering whatever "earth like" planets.
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For the short term:

Bragging rights.
Improvements to quality of live with space technology.
Military strength with space technology.
Research that can only be carried out in space.

For the long term:

Resources, Earth will eventually run out raw materials.
Overpopulation, impossible to fit everyone into this planet anymore.
Survival of our species. We're all the eggs in one basket, if anything happens to our precious earth it'll be the end of humanity. (meteor, wandering black hole, sun going supernova, etc)

It's hard coded in our DNA, no matter how hard we bomb the shit outta each other, deep down inside humans have this WILL to see the continuation of our species. To see this through, space exploration is the natural option to take, in fact it is the only option.
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Space exploration is actually yet another way of showing off the advanced countries technologies.

Because space exploration requires many field of engineering including aerospace, mechanical, electrical, electronic and even civil engineering to build the place for rocket to set off.
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I guess we just couldn't stand living in a universe that we know nuts about it!

The competition between nation in sending rockets to outter space could potentially boost the scientific breakthrough too, so why not?
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I believe politics are greatly involved.
For decades, how many countries that we had witnessed had been to the moon or space?
Only mighty & powerful nations like Russia, US, & China had launched a manned spacecraft.

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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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I think people need to differentiate between space exploration (sending probes to deep space, to mars etc) and the other type of space mission (putting up satellites, shuttle missions for experiments etc)


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exactly, space exploration should be for knowledge. No for power or resources or whatever gains, yes they come with it, but exploration should be priority.

To know whats out there, I would give anything for it.
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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The underlying problem is that human still can't stop reproducing. No doubt that human is the most successful species, but their reproduction is more successful than sustainment. That is the MAIN reason why the earth is having lots of environmental problem, (global warming, perhaps?)

The earth will not be able to sustain the exponentially increasing of the human population. So as long as human keep reproducing, we need to find other home we call earth, despite of our futile effort of preserving the environment because that is not the root of the problem.
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Earth is not going to get any better unless all human beings unite...which is unlikely.

I wonder why we always portraits outer space creatures came from a united species from a planet? While ourselves are killing and bombing each other daily...ironic huh?
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its the human nature to be curious.
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for our humans self preservation's sake. it is imminent to venture our and to look for an alternative habitat. at the rate we are going to preserve the human race, we would eventually consume all there is that keeps the world going due to over-population. as we all know to preserve our kind is to populate, population breeds consumption of resources and that is what kills the earth. and the space on the ground is limited, the only way to expand is upwards.
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the race to space exploration = human kiasuness
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Jun 18 2009, 12:10 AM)
Earth is not going to get any better unless all human beings unite...which is unlikely.

I wonder why we always portraits outer space creatures came from a united species from a planet? While ourselves are killing and bombing each other daily...ironic huh?
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one of the moral from those movies/stories, "we must unite together" smile.gif

i do suggest space exploration, despite the cost of space exploration, who know someday we might discover something that we cant found on earth?

and also some of the stuff and technologies that NASA implement for space exploration and space mission have actually become something that we used in part of our daily life??

i remember watching this 2 years ago in Discovery channel from astro, they said that the camera that NASA make for the recording of the moment the first man who step on the moon, that camera during that time is the state of the art camera, soon the material used to make the camera has become some essential materials in our daily life.

this is why space exploration is so important, it help us to improve, but at the same time it also causes a lot of mysteries, but that can be a goo things, the more mysteries you solved, the more you know...

who know maybe someday we might have a colony ship that can sustain life and can carry our next next next nex generation to a new world like those sci-fi movie.
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QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 20 2009, 01:07 AM)
one of the moral from those movies/stories, "we must unite together" smile.gif

i do suggest space exploration, despite the cost of space exploration, who know someday we might discover something that we cant found on earth?

and also some of the stuff and technologies that NASA implement for space exploration and space mission have actually become something that we used in part of our daily life??

i remember watching this 2 years ago in Discovery channel from astro, they said that the camera that NASA make for the recording of the moment the first man who step on the moon, that camera during that time is the state of the art camera, soon the material used to make the camera has become some essential materials in our daily life.

this is why space exploration is so important, it help us to improve, but at the same time it also causes a lot of mysteries, but that can be a goo things, the more mysteries you solved, the more you know...

who know maybe someday we might have a colony ship that can sustain life and can carry our next next next nex generation to a new world like those sci-fi movie.
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pardon me for asking, i heard ppl said that footage was fake... they never landed on moon
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 01:07 AM)
the race to space exploration = human kiasuness
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Better way to duke it out in a tech race then arms race.

Though this also brought forth possibility of nuclear armageddon and the MAD idea.

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jun 20 2009, 01:26 AM)
Better way to duke it out in a tech race then arms race.
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good point.. i wonder...
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 01:07 AM)
the race to space exploration = human kiasuness
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ah see without the need to progress is to stay stagnant. always perfecting perfection is human nature. wright brothers absence in the aviation industry would stun the world we have today. without ford's enthusiasm in internal combustion engines development to outdo the rest, we would still be relying on chariots.

therefore kiasu'ism is good.
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Space exploration is like those people who explores earth after the extinction of dinasours. There are too much thing to explore. And mankind should know earth is small planet among trillions. So, there are more living things in other place. Alien is the proof that there are other living things which are more high tech than us. Perhaps they call us 'alien' too? Space exploration is really important to find an alternative planet or resources. Human should accept the fact that other 'living thing' is exist in this universe.

Earth definitely is dying. No one can save our earth, but reducing the effects of global warming, ozone layer depletion are possible. But again, we cannot create ozone layer or create iceberg at northpole.
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 01:08 AM)
pardon me for asking, i heard ppl said that footage was fake... they never landed on moon
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Watch mythbuster wink.gif

It is again busted.



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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Jun 20 2009, 10:29 AM)
Watch mythbuster  wink.gif

It is again busted.
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meaning it was real after all ?

hmmm... why iz US so superior?
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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Your shallow thinking make the world suffer.
I am glad that you are no where in the position of leadership of this country.

if nobody cares to explore new knowledge, then the world will be the same place like 1000 years ago.

If no investment was made to discover electricity, then you would still be living in the dark fighting the Mongols with your spears.

space investment is not for your immediate benefits. it is for all humanity in the future.

say, if alien species invades earth, where would you go if you dont have spaceship technologies? human race needs to survive and we need to continue to invest in space technologies.
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QUOTE(kristal @ Jun 20 2009, 02:54 PM)
Your shallow thinking make the world suffer.
I am glad that you are no where in the position of leadership of this country.

if nobody cares to explore new knowledge, then the world will be the same place like 1000 years ago.

If no investment was made to discover electricity, then you would still be living in the dark fighting the Mongols with your spears.

space investment is not for your immediate benefits. it is for all humanity in the future.

say, if alien species invades earth, where would you go if you dont have spaceship technologies? human race needs to survive and we need to continue to invest in space technologies.
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lol no personal attacks ok... diff ppl got diff thinking mah...

u are right in ur points above.. if we don't try something new, we'll remain stagnant
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QUOTE(kristal @ Jun 20 2009, 02:54 PM)
Your shallow thinking make the world suffer.
I am glad that you are no where in the position of leadership of this country.

if nobody cares to explore new knowledge, then the world will be the same place like 1000 years ago.

If no investment was made to discover electricity, then you would still be living in the dark fighting the Mongols with your spears.

space investment is not for your immediate benefits. it is for all humanity in the future.

say, if alien species invades earth, where would you go if you dont have spaceship technologies? human race needs to survive and we need to continue to invest in space technologies.
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hey, i jz raise up a question for every1 to answer, doesn't mean that i hv shallow mind, so accusing othr ppl is what u call mature mind? mind ur words b4 u post
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 20 2009, 02:58 PM)
hey, i jz raise up a question for every1 to answer, doesn't mean that i hv shallow mind, so accusing othr ppl is what u call mature mind? mind ur words b4 u post
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chill bro, this is not /k/ or RWI... let's be cool over here and talk science stuff k ? let's forget this wink.gif
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 03:00 PM)
chill bro, this is not /k/ or RWI... let's be cool over here and talk science stuff k ? let's forget this wink.gif
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i hv no prob smile.gif bt i dn welcome ppl who post without thinking blush.gif
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 01:30 PM)
meaning it was real after all ?

hmmm... why iz US so superior?
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Yes it is real, at least they show us why it is real on the show. It might deceiving though, since the show is from US also?

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 01:30 PM)
meaning it was real after all ?

hmmm... why iz US so superior?
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US said it is new, but russian said it is fake, maybe...

just assume it is real, why US so superior?

a correct way to spend money, a strategic way to do business, not to mention they got money, there are also more people invest in US, eventually the government will have more money to to R&D on space exploration in a proper way and not like playing sand, send a human to space making teh tarik and roti canai is not called R&D tongue.gif

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to add more, why dont huamn explore the deep sea? there are many strange creature
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Jun 20 2009, 08:18 PM)
to add more, why dont huamn explore the deep sea? there are many strange creature
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Because dealing with low/no pressure, is way easier then dealing with high pressure.
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Jun 20 2009, 08:18 PM)
to add more, why dont huamn explore the deep sea? there are many strange creature
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there are deep sea exploration, but in space exploration, there is a possibilities that you can find a habitable planet and natural resources from asteroids.

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Honestly, I don't think we need to spend billions to explore space to find whatever we can find. Use that money to make world a better place to live. Or feed the poor. Because, at the moment they decide to make Mars a new place to live, I think I won't be around lah that time. biggrin.gif Just my opinion.
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QUOTE(yoecr7 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:54 AM)
Honestly, I don't think we need to spend billions to explore space to find whatever we can find. Use that money to make world a better place to live. Or feed the poor. Because, at the moment they decide to make Mars a new place to live, I think I won't be around lah that time. biggrin.gif Just my opinion.
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we should have do everything in the same time, earth got tons of human, some of them doing nothing, some of them went fishing, some of them fighting each other and threatened each other with nuclear weapon, and also there are some of them who doing space exploration.

what they are trying to do is to solved the questions that came in their mind, and eventually it can also help us to understand more about the universe, after all we are on the earth, and earth is inside the universe, so there's nothing wrong for us to explore it and understand it
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why do we explore space? because it is there smile.gif

curiosity has a way more greater influence on humans than on cats smile.gif
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bt they spent billions or mayb trillions on that..bt wad they found is nt quite equivalent to wad they spent..y dn they use de money to help de poor instead?

*Friendly discussion* smile.gif
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Considering our Sun will go dead in the future(a couple of billion years into the future). I think scientist should explore the possibility of space exploration.
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Jun 20 2009, 08:18 PM)
to add more, why dont huamn explore the deep sea? there are many strange creature
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Morning!

Deep Sea Exploration has begun when the French Pierre Simon de Laplace calculated the average depth of the Atlantic Ocean from tidal motions. (considered as modern scientific study on deep sea)

Since 1870, With the Challenger expedition sent out by the British government dated back in 1872. Went on for nearly four years, for global oceanographic investigations, in this process 715 new genera and 4417 new species of marine organisms were discovered.

Have yu heard of bathysphere? I came across this word in "Bioshock" game while playing it with my PS3. (Who says playing game will downgrade your knowledge??!! Huh! Huh! I will banish the fella with my Divine Rapier! MUAHAHAHA~~~)
The designer of this bathysphere (A spherical steel vessel) are Charles William Beebe and engineer Otis Barton. Anyway, on a side story, he didn't complete his Degree at Columbia University in New York and he also collaborated with Einstein too back in the years! (Sad case for a brilliant fella...Dammit! How come he can collaborate with Einstein on certain matter and not me?!)

Come to date, we have advanced robotic submersibles at our disposal. By integrating technologies, we have submersibles that have camera, television systems and special lighting systems to provide light for photography, mechanical manipulators (Like octopus's tentacles, try play MGS4: Guns of The Patriots-Laughing Octopus) that can collect samples from the sea floor, biological specimens, oddities such as wreckage debris, dead humans??!! digging pits, sinking exploration shafts, core-drilling operations and deep-sea mining for whatever ~!@#$%^&* nodules, composites (maganese, nickel, copper, cobalt...blah blah blah) there is in the sea.

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p.s: As I mentioned earlier in my previous posting, SEA BED EXPLORATION is the down part and SPACE EXPLORATION is the upper part.
It's rewarding if yu explore?! into BOTH PARTS. MUAHAHAHA~~~

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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 22 2009, 11:54 AM)
bt they spent billions or mayb trillions on that..bt wad they found is nt quite equivalent to wad they spent..y dn they use de money to help de poor instead?

*Friendly discussion* smile.gif
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consider that the us space budget is only a fraction of their defence budget, i have a better question on their fund management sweat.gif
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bt defence is important for their country..same like us..cnt compare budget of NASA n country's defence

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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 22 2009, 10:30 PM)
bt defence is important for their country..same like us..cnt compare budget of NASA n country's defence
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in 2006, USA have a defence budget of USD985billion compared to USD1158billion for the ENTIRE WORLD. the second highest (UK) only have arond USD60billion. Of the countries that are not firm US allies, the highest defence budget is China with ~USD50billion. Compared with the average %GDP for defence of 2%, USA spends a total of more than 12% of its GDP for defence.

In comparison, NASA's annual budget average to around USD8billion per year. or less than 1% of the US defence budget.

so if you say its better to cut NASA spending to better citizen's life......

space exploration is expensive, but not as expensive as you think

as a result of NASA's space exploration programs, NASA has over 5000 patents on inventions including the following more useful ones:
invisible braces (for teeth), scratch proof lenses (for spectacles), memory foam (for pillow), ear thermometer, shoe insole (those special sports shoes that athletes wear), long distance communication (thank NASA for your handphones), adjustable smoke detectors, safety groove (those lines on the roads Y-junctions/zebra crossing), cordless tools (drills, etc), water filter, kidney dialysis machine, physical therapy, CAT scanner in hospital, MRI scanner in hospital, freeze-dry food preservation method, insulation foils, non-stick pans, race car suits, and many many more


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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jun 22 2009, 10:56 PM)
in 2006, USA have a defence budget of USD985billion compared to USD1158billion for the ENTIRE WORLD. the second highest (UK) only have arond USD60billion. Of the countries that are not firm US allies, the highest defence budget is China with ~USD50billion. Compared with the average %GDP for defence of 2%, USA spends a total of more than 12% of its GDP for defence.

In comparison, NASA's annual budget average to around USD8billion per year. or less than 1% of the US defence budget.

so if you say its better to cut NASA spending to better citizen's life......

space exploration is expensive, but not as expensive as you think
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thnx for de statistics smile.gif btw v dn compare NASA wif defence purpose, v compare NASA n de amount of ppl v cn help wif tat huge sum of $$
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 22 2009, 11:07 PM)
thnx for de statistics  smile.gif  btw v dn compare NASA wif defence purpose, v compare NASA n de amount of ppl v cn help wif tat huge sum of $$
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see my edited post.

point is, space exploration benefit the people of earth. if you want to fight poverty, increase education, etc. find something else to cut

plus, if you look at the numbers, USA outspends the rest of the world by a large large margin for defence. as the only remaining superpower does it really have that much to fear?

so dont say space exploration is depriving people of benefits. for a relatively small amount, it offers a lot of benefit (unlike some other US programs)

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TS.

Ever looked up the sky and wondered?

People had, and went up to check what's up.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 2 2009, 04:53 AM)
TS.

Ever looked up the sky and wondered?

People had, and went up to check what's up.
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i agreed, bt v s human, kip on exploring without taking care of our own Earth
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 2 2009, 04:53 AM)
TS.

Ever looked up the sky and wondered?

People had, and went up to check what's up.
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They went up, sure. But they didn't get very far though. Furthest man has gone is Moon.

Voyager 1 is almost 15 light hours out, bout 3x distance from Pluto.

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QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Jul 2 2009, 09:13 PM)
They went up, sure. But they didn't get very far though. Furthest man has gone is Moon.

Voyager 1 is almost 15 light hours out, bout 3x distance from Pluto.
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i agreed, bt v s human, kip on exploring without taking care of our own Earth
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exploring is exploring, take care of earth is take care of earth. they are not mutually exclusive. nor are they dependent on one another....

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jul 3 2009, 02:13 AM)
are you sure pluto is 5 light hours away?
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Come, enlighten us!
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this may enlighten you guys...
How many light-years away from Earth is Pluto?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...06145646AA0etgT
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pluto has an elliptic orbit, so the distance from sun is not constant; but the average value is around 5 light hours away
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QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Jul 2 2009, 09:13 PM)
They went up, sure. But they didn't get very far though. Furthest man has gone is Moon.

Voyager 1 is almost 15 light hours out, bout 3x distance from Pluto.
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That didn't really matter.

The important point is that they satisfied their curiosity, and there's no cure for curiosity, so to answer the TS' question, yes, space exploration is important.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 4 2009, 07:21 AM)
That didn't really matter.

The important point is that they satisfied their curiosity, and there's no cure for curiosity, so to answer the TS' question, yes, space exploration is important.
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+1 on that...

We can never quench our curiousity on things around us,which includes the magnificent universe
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I think we should be thankful that people are trying very hard to research about space. With the advance technology, scientists can predict if there's any big rock that's gonna hit us.. wink.gif
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 4 2009, 01:40 PM)
+1 on that...

We can never quench our curiousity on things around us,which includes the magnificent universe
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Are you ALSO part of that magnificent universe?

Cos I'm kinda curious you know, lol. laugh.gif


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There are actually many reasons to explore the universe, I'll lay one reason out of a few off the top of my head here.

In all of history on Earth, humans have been the only creature to step into a whole new plane of intelligence. There a lots of intelligent animals, everything from octopuses to chimpanzees, but none of them successfully made that leap to this new plane of intelligence that humans did.

For the first time in history, suddenly there was this new species of animal which could influence things on such a grand scale. Most other species were only confined to influencing their immediate environments, but humans could do far more than ever possible.

Before us, all animals lived and died in hands of nature. Their survival and fate was all up to the changing nature. But we humans are no longer subject to that. We adapted, and we recreated our surroundings to suit us. We were able to prevent disasters from happening before they happened or take evasive actions before disaster struck. We now decided what happens to us, we took fate into our own hands and this set us far apart from other animals.

One of the first reasons to explore and gather knowledge about the universe is simply to ensure our survival. Humans have always been intelligent enough to predict disasters before the stuck, and we know that the Earth is not invincible. There are terrible things out there, everything from comets and asteroids to gamma ray bursts and travelling black holes. As a human, I'll be damned if I see this civilisation and all it's glory go extinct like the dinosaurs because of some stupid rock from space or a reverse-polarised solar wind.

We also know that the Earth cannot be life sustaining forever. As time goes on, tidal pressures will slow down Earth's rotation along it's axis, making the days and nights unbearably long. As the Sun burns off it's fuel and grows in size, our oceans will evaporate and in time Earth will be consumed into the inferno. This may all take a long long time to happen, but it takes a long long time to gain enough knowledge to escape this fate.

We have to explore and gain knowledge so that we can develop the techniques and means to defend ourselves from threats to the survival of our species, civilisation and our way of life. Like humans before us, we have to gain knowledge to take our fate into our own hands.
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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Jul 5 2009, 05:50 PM)
There are actually many reasons to explore the universe, I'll lay one reason out of a few off the top of my head here.

In all of history on Earth, humans have been the only creature to step into a whole new plane of intelligence. There a lots of intelligent animals, everything from octopuses to chimpanzees, but none of them successfully made that leap to this new plane of intelligence that humans did.

For the first time in history, suddenly there was this new species of animal which could influence things on such a grand scale. Most other species were only confined to influencing their immediate environments, but humans could do far more than ever possible.

Before us, all animals lived and died in hands of nature. Their survival and fate was all up to the changing nature. But we humans are no longer subject to that. We adapted, and we recreated our surroundings to suit us. We were able to prevent disasters from happening before they happened or take evasive actions before disaster struck. We now decided what happens to us, we took fate into our own hands and this set us far apart from other animals.

One of the first reasons to explore and gather knowledge about the universe is simply to ensure our survival. Humans have always been intelligent enough to predict disasters before the stuck, and we know that the Earth is not invincible. There are terrible things out there, everything from comets and asteroids to gamma ray bursts and travelling black holes. As a human, I'll be damned if I see this civilisation and all it's glory go extinct like the dinosaurs because of some stupid rock from space or a reverse-polarised solar wind.

We also know that the Earth cannot be life sustaining forever. As time goes on, tidal pressures will slow down Earth's rotation along it's axis, making the days and nights unbearably long. As the Sun burns off it's fuel and grows in size, our oceans will evaporate and in time Earth will be consumed into the inferno. This may all take a long long time to happen, but it takes a long long time to gain enough knowledge to escape this fate.

We have to explore and gain knowledge so that we can develop the techniques and means to defend ourselves from threats to the survival of our species, civilisation and our way of life. Like humans before us, we have to gain knowledge to take our fate into our own hands.
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Do you actually care about that (note the bolded and italicized sentence)?

People don't go to space at first because of those anxiety you know.
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actually, thats one of the main reason for space exploration - the eventual severing of humanity's ties with the planet that spawned them. humanity would want to survive regardless of what happen to earth. try looking up the pale blue dot.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 5 2009, 04:30 AM)
Are you ALSO part of that magnificent universe?

Cos I'm kinda curious you know, lol. laugh.gif
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aren't you???

LOL
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 6 2009, 03:22 AM)
Do you actually care about that (note the bolded and italicized sentence)?

People don't go to space at first because of those anxiety you know.
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Of course I care! Just think of all that we've accomplished so far, it'll be real stupid if we were to let 'fate' decide that it's time to end it all.

People didn't go to space out of anxiety, but assuring the survival of the human race and the human way of life is as good a reason as any to spend the billions. As I said, we are a species with unprecedented intelligence, it'll be a shame if we let this intelligence go to waste by dying the way dinosaurs and thousands of other species did, helpless to change their fate.

If humanity ever goes extinct, I'd prefer it to be due to a war we lost to robots that we made (BSG) or due to some massive event like the collapse of galalactic gravity. Even then I still prefer the robot death than the other one, I'd like it to be such that only humans and nothing else can end the human civilisation.

The reason I focus more on the survival aspect of space exploration is because we know for sure that the Earth cannot sustain us forever, we need to start laying the groundwork to be a spacefaring civilisation as it'll take a very very long time for us to reach the level technological advancement needed to colonise other worlds and other systems all while maintaining communications links between colonies the way we have now between countries.

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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 6 2009, 10:04 AM)
aren't you???

LOL
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Aren't me what? For being magnificent or curious? laugh.gif

QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Jul 6 2009, 12:53 PM)
Of course I care! Just think of all that we've accomplished so far, it'll be real stupid if we were to let 'fate' decide that it's time to end it all.

People didn't go to space out of anxiety, but assuring the survival of the human race and the human way of life is as good a reason as any to spend the billions. As I said, we are a species with unprecedented intelligence, it'll be a shame if we let this  intelligence go to waste by dying the way dinosaurs and thousands of other species did, helpless to change their fate.

If humanity ever goes extinct, I'd prefer it to be due to a war we lost to robots that we made (BSG) or due to some massive event like the collapse of galalactic gravity. Even then I still prefer the robot death than the other one, I'd like it to be such that only humans and nothing else can end the human civilisation.

The reason I focus more on the survival aspect of space exploration is because we know for sure that the Earth cannot sustain us forever, we need to start laying the groundwork to be a spacefaring civilisation as it'll take a very very long time for us to reach the level technological advancement needed to colonise other worlds and other systems all while maintaining communications links between colonies the way we have now between countries.
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You want a perpetual humanity legacy huh. Hopefully that idea of yours isn't too much inspired by science fiction movies, cos we have people in this thread asking us to "repair" Earth FIRST, before even thinking of anything else like human-extinction-meteors rushing for our planet and such.

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it isnt mutually exclusive you know, you can repair the earth AND explore space at the same time
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by saying space exploration disadvanges outweights its advantages in this present times, is the same like putting down the invention of the wheel faaaaaaaaaaaaar back in the past. Without their groundwork (wheel), we wouldn't even have a proper bicycle to ride on, not to mention trains and cars now.

I'm sure what has been done and researched today will be a salvation to our future generations.

Some of us can't see past our own benefit (for eg. putting $$$ researching sexual enhancement so we can "use it" when we're 80 yrs old). We prefer everything that man do, we hope to personally enjoy it (even though we are not contributing to it), rather than seeing our children benefit from it.


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it isnt mutually exclusive you know, you can repair the earth AND explore space at the same time
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Yea, its like a dual-prong method. What if mere "repairing" doesnt work? then humans suddenly find out they're stranded on a dying planet with no means of escaping.


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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 7 2009, 01:35 AM)
Aren't me what? For being magnificent or curious? laugh.gif
You want a perpetual humanity legacy huh. Hopefully that idea of yours isn't too much inspired by science fiction movies, cos we have people in this thread asking us to "repair" Earth FIRST, before even thinking of anything else like human-extinction-meteors rushing for our planet and such.
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being part of the magnificent universe doh.gif
but then, sci-fi movies are the ones that make us think that certain things can be created..
One good example is the Star Wars saga...
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Space exploration is very important. The R&D for space exploration can be reverse engineer for daily use. Who know we can found Cybertrone biggrin.gif
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actually part of the reason for space exploration is to consider living in the space or beyond somewhere in the future when earth can no longer support living creatures..
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jul 7 2009, 09:32 AM)


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Yea, its like a dual-prong method. What if mere "repairing" doesnt work? then humans suddenly find out they're stranded on a dying planet with no means of escaping.
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 7 2009, 11:16 AM)
being part of the magnificent universe  doh.gif
but then, sci-fi movies are the ones that make us think that certain things can be created..
One good example is the Star Wars saga...
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Quite a number of technologies that are currently in use today had their roots in sci-fi (novels mostly, since movies are usually derived from literary works). Maglev trains, satelites, genetic engineering, terminator genes, even rail guns! Sci fi is a wealth of ideas, and not all of it is far-fetched as u might think.

Of course Star Wars is something else...excuse me while i play jedi mind tricks on my officemates tongue.gif
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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I think thats what makes ppl tick... they want to spend $$ to find something that people have never seen before or heard of to establish fame and knowledge base. Its true though its a good idea to just save the money and make Earth a better place, but this is the world we live in, they always want to make new things and learn new things. We are a curious race, we like to learn whats so special and make it even better.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 7 2009, 01:35 AM)
You want a perpetual humanity legacy huh. Hopefully that idea of yours isn't too much inspired by science fiction movies, cos we have people in this thread asking us to "repair" Earth FIRST, before even thinking of anything else like human-extinction-meteors rushing for our planet and such.
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Not a perpetual human legacy, but perpetual humanity itself. I would like this party never to end, especially because we have the intellect to decide our fate.

It's like you're trapped in a cave which has just caved in and you have a crowbar. If you don't explore space and find for ways to extend our reach and colony it's like you sit in the cave with the crowbar next to you doing nothing and hoping that somehow it'll all be okay in the end. What you should actually do is use the crowbar to pry out as much of the boulders as you can. It's going to be hard since you only have a crowbar, but you cannot sit idly waiting for spaghetti monster to help you.

Sure you might fail a few times, might injure yourself or might die, but you did all that by taking control of your own history.

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I rather do research at the bottom of the seas. I deepest level under the sea. I cant remember the place but we never know what's really there? Is somewhere Pacific or Atlantic?
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I rather do research at the bottom of the seas. I deepest level under the sea. I cant remember the place but we never know what's really there? Is somewhere Pacific or Atlantic?
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Mariana Trench. We might see some 50m giant squids there? drool.gif
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I rather do research at the bottom of the seas. I deepest level under the sea. I cant remember the place but we never know what's really there? Is somewhere Pacific or Atlantic?
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Going to the deepest areas of our planet may have a huge technological stumbling block when it comes to the immense pressure difference needed to be maintained for a manned mission.
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I'm a lil curious though: what do we gain from exploring deeper into the sea vs exploring further out into space? Wouldn't it make sense to go beyond he limits of earth, with its finite supply of resources?
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no rules saying you cant do both at the same time, both has its challenges and rewards.
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QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Jul 14 2009, 08:36 PM)
I'm a lil curious though: what do we gain from exploring deeper into the sea vs exploring further out into space? Wouldn't it make sense to go beyond he limits of earth, with its finite supply of resources?
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Yeah on a personal note, I'm not as keen on deep sea exploration as I am with space exploration.

It's really hard to fight the pressure and the best thing we'll probably find is a new species that'll blow our minds away in terms of how we understand life/evolution/etc.

We should explore the deep seas, but when it comes to budget allocation, I'm going to place priority on space.
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i long for the day when we explore unchartered worlds and find new civilizations..but with the rate of advancement our human world is currently experiencing this dream may be farcry from reality...sad.gif


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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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It is important, but not to that extent which billions should be spend. It is ironic. The advance countries are spending billions on space researches but so many in the undeveloped countries are starved to death? Why not utilize the money in charity, welfare and medical purposes?
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All the reason to spend more on space missions. This earth of ours is dying one way or another. We have to continue looking for other planets to live on to ensure the survival of our species. We all know we're progressing at a super slow rate and time is never on our side and yes its gonna take a long time b4 we can actually travel in space.
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QUOTE(Celebrity @ Aug 5 2009, 11:09 PM)
It is important, but not to that extent which billions should be spend. It is ironic. The advance countries are spending billions on space researches but so many in the undeveloped countries are starved to death? Why not utilize the money in charity, welfare and medical purposes?
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you know whats more ironic? the trillions spent on "defence" budget. compared to it, space budget is spare change. if you ask me, that money is better used for charity/welfare/medical purpose.

but sadly, thats not how the world works.
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Spending billions or trillions for them might just something small... the government always says no money, but who know...???

I heard that in US they even have secret organization (government and non-government) that research on new technology. Maybe now already have those advance weapon you see on TV. Haha...
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thing is, there are far more pointless thing to cut money for charity/humanity than space program.

and space program already has it tough from politician and public who are spoiled from hollywood and demand not just results on a shoe string, but glorious sfx-laden results on a shoe string.
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very important because if found alien can do alot of business what! tongue.gif

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here is 2 MALAYSIA mega projects related to space exploration project...





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Exploration of space is an eventuality. Humans explored the continents, humans explored the seas. We are driven to explore and discover new life forms. and new civilisations...to boldly go where no...

oh sorry..

Regardless of public perception, space exploration is important.
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM)
Do we need to spend billions of $$ just to explore the 'uncertain' ???

Why don't human just play their part in taking care of d environment n make d Earth de best place to stay instead of finding other planet ???
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QUOTE(sootienann @ Aug 26 2009, 11:25 AM)
if all humankind thinks like you, we would still be living in caves and riding horses.
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lol, please read those previous posts by me and others before pop out a no-where opinion of yours sweat.gif i just rise a question to be answered doesn't mean i have the same opinion shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(CuteSanSan @ Aug 28 2009, 10:35 PM)
lol, please read those previous posts by me and others before pop out a no-where opinion of yours  sweat.gif  i just rise a question to be answered doesn't mean i have the same opinion  shakehead.gif
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Space exploration contribution to humanity is insignificant another than to migrate to another planet. Anyway understanding more on celestial mechanism is more important because it allow us to operate satellite in one way more efficiently. At the end of the days, everyone is so busy making money and fixing their economy that space exploration is things we can do later.

Space exploration can wait.... till we solve every major issue which never end and it good because it mean more chance that your love one could be save by modern medicine if those resources aren't used to making space toys. Forget to mention most of us had give up hope in finding cure for cancers, HIV and any disease that had been research to death so maybe cutting space budget won't help save people life.

I just sayin.
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I just know govts won't think twice about blowing the citizens money, be it for space exploration or for building a small park to beautify the street corner or to make expensive fireworks (Bombs to kill people in war). And there will ALWAYS be a "reason" behind it. whistling.gif

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curiosity kills the cat. it killed Russia and now USA
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QUOTE(frags @ Aug 11 2009, 10:38 PM)
Exploration of space is an eventuality. Humans explored the continents, humans explored the seas. We are driven to explore and discover new life forms. and new civilisations...to boldly go where no...

oh sorry..

Regardless of public perception, space exploration is important.
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Natural instict there. Humans feel claustrophobic to that extent, plus there's the innate will to discover new things (and places). Speaking of which, one should just reallocate a few billion dollars worth of investments from the various defence projects into the space exploration project instead of milking citizens of their hard earned cash.

But aiyah, most governments are so secretive about all their works with only selective news released. (with the exception of ours whistling.gif)
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who really cares. all they have to do is find a few healthy guinea pigs to send to the space and print more money
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i read a science fiction abt earth.

wat he said was

"why bother to explore space while we dont really understand our own planet?"

kinda agree, theres so much mystery for us to crack in earth.
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ Sep 4 2009, 12:16 PM)
i read a science fiction abt earth.

wat he said was

"why bother to explore space while we dont really understand our own planet?"

kinda agree, theres so much mystery for us to crack in earth.
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Space got more mysteries than our earth. That is why we need to explore.
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 5 2009, 03:09 PM)
Space got more mysteries than our earth. That is why we need to explore.
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then do we really truely understand our own planet well?

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first man to space was Russian Yuri Gagarin (correct me if im wrong) and then the US got intimidated,so they sent armstrong to the moon.So began the space race!! biggrin.gif

its basically human curiosity,ego and "i got teh moniez" + " i can do eet!"

Or hey, Nasa can prob prevent an asteroid attack like in the Armageddon movie wink.gif
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in other news finally Armstrong face the truth that the moon landing is fake after being show solid evidence in conspiracy theorist website

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LEBANON, OHIO—Apollo 11 mission commander and famed astronaut Neil Armstrong shocked reporters at a press conference Monday, announcing he had been convinced that his historic first step on the moon was part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by the United States government.

According to Armstrong, he was forced to reconsider every single detail of the monumental journey after watching a few persuasive YouTube videos, and reading several blog posts on conspiracy theorist Ralph Coleman's website, OmissionControl.org.

"It only took a few hastily written paragraphs published by this passionate denier of mankind's so-called 'greatest technological achievement' for me to realize I had been living a lie, " said a visibly emotional Armstrong, addressing reporters at his home. "It has become painfully clear to me that on July 20, 1969, the Lunar Module under the control of my crew did not in fact travel 250,000 miles over eight days, touch down on the moon, and perform various experiments, ushering in a new era for humanity. Instead, the entire thing was filmed on a soundstage, most likely in New Mexico."

"This is the only logical interpretation of the numerous inconsistencies in the grainy, 40-year-old footage," Armstrong added.
Enlarge Image Omission Control

Amstrong was swayed by OmissionControl's use of bolding and capital letters to highlight NASA's many blatant fallacies.

Although Armstrong said he "could have sworn" he felt the effects of zero gravity while soaring out of the Earth's atmosphere and through space, he now believed his memory must be flawed. He also admitted feeling "ashamed" that he had failed to notice the rippling of the American flag he and Buzz Aldrin planted on the surface, blaming his lack of awareness on the bulkiness of the spacesuit and his excitement about traveling to the "moon."

"That rippling is not possible in the vacuum of space," Armstrong said. "It must have been the wind from an air-conditioning duct that I didn't recognize because you can't hear a damn thing inside those helmets."

"This is all just common sense, people," he added. "It's the moon. You can't land on the moon."

In a symbolic display of his newfound skepticism, Armstrong then grabbed a collection of moon rocks he had kept as souvenirs and dramatically dumped them into a trash can.

One of the main arguments posited on Coleman's website—that America could not, in 1969, have realistically possessed the technological capabilities needed to put a man on the moon—was reportedly one of the first things to cause the legendary astronaut a pang of doubt. Despite having spent thousands of hours training for the historic mission under the guidance of the world's top scientists, technicians, and pilots, Armstrong said he knew the conspiracy theories were true after learning that website author Coleman was "quite the engineering buff."

"Yes, at the time I thought those thousands of NASA employees were working round the clock for the same incredible goal, but if anyone would know what was really going on, it would be Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said of the 31-year-old part-time librarian's assistant. "He knows a lot more about faked moon landings than I ever could. He's been researching the subject on the Internet for years."

"Literally years," he added.

Addressing another inconsistency brought to light by OmissionControl, Armstrong explained he was probably so focused on piloting the lunar module that he failed to notice that one of the moon rocks visible in footage of the landing appears to have the letter 'C' stamped on it. An emotional Armstrong said that the only possible explanation for this detail was that the rock actually came from NASA's prop department.

"They forgot to turn it over," Armstrong said, removing his eyeglasses to wipe away tears. "Those lying bastards at NASA went through all the trouble to fake the moon landing, but they forgot to turn over one little prop rock. And now the whole damn thing's blowing up in their faces."

Although Armstrong initially questioned why the U.S. would attempt such an elaborate cover-up, he cited one overarching explanation provided by Coleman: that it was a ploy to defeat the Soviet Union and fulfill the Illuminati's plan to unify the world's banks and control the dissemination of information.

"Just ask Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said. "He'll answer any questions you have."

To conclude the press conference, Armstrong showed reporters footage of his first steps on the moon to demonstrate that the most daming evidence was "right under our noses." Speeding up the tape and replaying the graceful moonwalk several times in a row, Armstrong explained that the iconic images of humanity's triumphant dance with the cosmos was actually just a film of him walking backwards, slowed down, and played in reverse.

"What other explanation could there be?" Armstrong asked. "It's all right here. Everything is all right here if you'd just open your damn eyes and see!"

Added Armstrong, "I suppose it really was one small step for man, one giant lie for mankind."


some newspaper actually believe this is real news doh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 5 2009, 10:49 PM)
in other news finally Armstrong face the truth that the moon landing is fake after being show solid evidence in conspiracy theorist website

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some newspaper actually believe this is real news  doh.gif  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Space exploration is done because human need to understand the earth more better with more information than just simply the earth only. Some more, there may be outer space being for being superior than human in the earth. In microscopic, i can describe the scenario to you using the history of China. China initially are the inventor of Compass, paper, explosives powder and printing. However, in the later part history of China, China is attack by foreigner using technology that initially develop by them. The main reason for such unbelievable event to occur is mainly due to China choose not to know what happening outside the world.
Now if human in the earth choose to do the same thing, it is still ok. But if there is really outer space being attempt to invade this earth, then we got to accept the consequence for the facts that we choose to ignore events happened outside. Then we human can be also be exterminate from earth like Dinosaur which do not interested to study outer space.


Added on September 12, 2009, 9:44 amAs for moon landing faking issue, i can only comment that those big country having the technology to play in outer space may attempt keep most of the earth human population not knowing what they see outside the space. Even China Shen Zhou 7 space exploration also being commented having some of the part being fake. In my view of point, there are two possible reasons, one is to prevent outbreak of panic in the whole world population. Secondly, those big country also afraid by reporting too much on what they observed in the outer space, a series of military racing will occur and eventually lead the whole world into a disasterous WW3.

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The answer is YES !

We Human Beings are like virus that kills the host

We are killing this planet and if we do not get away from this gravity well, we will die with this planet

That is why it's of utmost important for us to find a fresh new planet to live in, to pollute, and to kill
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Yes, it is important. Very important, but in Malaysia, they are heading to wrong direction when they choose the wrong people to go there.
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ Sep 4 2009, 11:16 AM)
i read a science fiction abt earth.

wat he said was

"why bother to explore space while we dont really understand our own planet?"

kinda agree, theres so much mystery for us to crack in earth.
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I dont think the exploration of both the earth and space have to be mutually exclusive. Both should go hand in hand in extending our knowledge as well as improving our lives and increasing our chances of survival.

Think of it as living on a relatively large island. We could content ourselves to explore and live off the island, but there will surely come a time when it becomes too small to support us, or some natural disaster makes it uninhabitable. Trying to explore around at that point would be pretty pointless

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