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TSkarhoe
post Jun 16 2009, 02:34 PM, updated 17y ago

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Hi guys

I heard of this brilliant idea which got 2nd placing in a business plan competition.

It's about a handphone which can be charged using sound energy. That means, as we speak during a conversation, the phone will automatically charge itself, hence no need for batteries replacement.

Is it possible? I'm quite skeptical.
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:18 PM

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it is possible.. energy is sumthg that cant be destroyed but can transform to other energy..

like kinetic energy to heat energy or electric

so mayb this guy manage to transform the sound energy to electric energy or heat energy.. but i dont know how he did it..
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:20 PM

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Yeap, but if it's possible, that means we can put this devices along the highway, cars engine produce sound energy after all, and this energy can light up the street lamps.


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post Jun 16 2009, 03:22 PM

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ok, u make ma brain to work now... let me as u sumthg... sound is energy or wave?
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:23 PM

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Sound energy, but travels via wave, longitudinal wave IIRC

But sound are actually produced via vibrations, hmm

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post Jun 16 2009, 03:28 PM

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wait. then it will transform the sound energy to kinetic?
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:39 PM

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ok i agree sound is created by vibration,.. so the kinetic energy from the vibration can transform to heat energy there is a possibility..




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post Jun 16 2009, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(ganabathi @ Jun 16 2009, 03:22 PM)
ok, u make ma brain to work now... let me as u sumthg... sound is energy or wave?
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It's both.

Sound is an energy propagate via wave form.
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:56 PM

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I think that it might work, but I agree with one of you that most of the energy will be lost as heat.
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 16 2009, 03:51 PM)
It's both.

Sound is an energy propagate via wave form.
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True.
Thats why sound cant travel through vacuum, since its need a medium to transfer energy (via vibration).
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:06 PM

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Have you guys use cordless electric tooth brush that charge using magnetic vibration to osculate the rechargeable battery? I use a drawing device Wacom and its electricity come from the board that transmit microwave to power the pen.

This sounds like headphone in reverse, voice or sound vibrate the diaphragm and generate electricity like a dynamo concept, I think.
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jun 16 2009, 04:06 PM)
Have you guys use cordless electric tooth brush that charge using magnetic vibration to osculate the rechargeable battery? I use a drawing device Wacom and its electricity come from the board that transmit microwave to power the pen.

This sounds like headphone in reverse, voice or sound vibrate the diaphragm and generate electricity like a dynamo concept, I think.
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Heard of it before and it's working now.Probably a prototype now.

If im not wrong,it just charge anything in that radius,like handphones,ipods,laptops etc.

Awesome shit.
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:20 PM

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but do u guys really think, it is a better energy source than battery?
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jun 16 2009, 04:20 PM)
but do u guys really think, it is a better energy source than battery?
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Sound is everywhere,so,IMO,it's a better source of energy.

Still,how much energy you can generate?
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:37 PM

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Thread Starter, are yu interested in large project implementation? What I want to introduce is a technology successfully experimented in the 1940s.

Yu know our beloved "efficient" Light Rail Transit System (LRT), right? We can chalked up a proposal on implementing existing technologies in to play. What I'm trying to convince yu is LRT through Acoustic Levitation. Now, what it's all about?

We can utilise the use of high-powered sounds to suspend the LRT in the air and move them along as though on an invisible conveyor belt. We can even lift and move the LRT by Acoustic Levitation using Supersonic Waves. (This has been developed by Kaijo Corporation)

Have yu been in a silicon wafer manufacturing plant in Japan? Think of it as, the Acoustic Levitator can keep a small silicon wafer hovering one millimetres above the surface! (It's NOT MAGIC, for Christ sake!)
Furthermore, the direction and speed of the supersonic waves can also be controlled! (I'm looking at a very bright lightbulb prospect of business spanning from using this technology!) MUAHAHAHA~~~

We can use this methods of "no contact" transportation for the LRT in Malaysia! Anyway, electromagnetic sounds so ancient...but I believe Acoustic Levitation offers the greatest advantages comparing to Electromagnetic.

Regards, Joey~~~

p.s: Why not venture into some large commercial commodity project rather than venturing into a small battery charger business?

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post Jun 16 2009, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 16 2009, 03:20 PM)
Yeap, but if it's possible, that means we can put this devices along the highway, cars engine produce sound energy after all, and this energy can light up the street lamps.
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Also the wind generate from the movement of cars. I read this as a proposal of future technology from Popular Science Magazine.
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 16 2009, 04:35 PM)
Sound is everywhere,so,IMO,it's a better source of energy.

Still,how much energy you can generate?
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Eh! "Cheesenium" a.k.a weird LRT engineer guy. How much energy can be extracted from sound energy? Pretty much. It can blow your pants off if yu really want... Hehehe~~~

Regards, Joey


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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Jun 16 2009, 04:40 PM)
Eh! "Cheesenium" a.k.a weird LRT engineer guy. How much energy can be extracted from sound energy? Pretty much. It can blow your pants off if yu really want... Hehehe~~~

Regards, Joey
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Im not dong anything to do with LRT.

Completely different field.
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:55 PM

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Power Harvesting Research Could Bring about Next Generation of Electronics

COLLEGE STATION, Texas, Dec. 1, 2008 – Imagine a self-powering cell phone that never needs to be charged because it converts sound waves produced by the user into the energy it needs to keep running. It’s not as fa-fetched as it may seem thanks to the recent work of Tahir Cagin, a professor in the Artie McFerrin Department of Chemical Engineering at Texas A&M University.

Polarizable Charge Equilibration Interaction Potentials are essential in describing piezo- and ferro-electricity in ABO3 ceramics for sensors, actuators and energy harvesting applications.

Utilizing materials known in scientific circles as “piezoelectrics,” Cagin, whose research focuses on nanotechnology, has made a significant discovery in the area of power harvesting – a field that aims to develop self-powered devices that do not require replaceable power supplies, such as batteries.

Specifically, Cagin and his partners from the University of Houston have found that a certain type of piezoelectric material can covert energy at a 100 percent increase when manufactured at a very small size – in this case, around 21 nanometers in thickness.

What’s more, when materials are constructed bigger or smaller than this specific size they show a significant decrease in their energy-converting capacity, he said.

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post Jun 16 2009, 04:55 PM

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i think the energy generate would be negligible. It probably wouldn't be enough to power the speaker on the other side of the phone.

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