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befitozi
post Jun 18 2009, 05:10 AM

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QUOTE(ModularHelmet @ Jun 14 2009, 02:20 PM)
time travel is currently deemed as fiction only, at least to me.

As einstein stated in his theory of special relativity, there is no object can travel faster than the speed of light.

Most theories suggest that you can do time travelling when you can exceed the speed of light. But if you cannot exceed the speed of light, then any theory beyond it will be falsified automatically.

A speed near to speed of light will have the effect of time dilation but not time travelling.

Perhaps we can have some new theory in the future that suggest some new models of space time. Let's wait and see.
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Probably on how we define time travel.

Based on time dilation,
If my inertial frame were to experience time dilation, where my inertial "clock" move slower, the observers flow of time would have gone past me.
Let the observers time frame would be hypothetically t=2000s where as in my time frame it would only be t=1500s both relative to the "True clock" or "start of event"
To myself, my time frame would be the "true" timeframe. I see the observer as something that have yet to exist on my time frame, something that is aged t=2000s. But only 1500s has passed in my time frame. Hence i can conclude that i have "traveled" to the future.
To the observer, i am "younger" than i should be. I have "aged" only 1500s where as their "clock" shows that it is t=2000s. Hence, they can conclude that i have travelled from the past.
Isn't this in essence the "time travelling" that is hyped about?

Evidence is quite clear on how the subatomic particle,muon which has a lifespan in nanoseconds before it decays, reaches the earth's surface from the upper atmosphere. Even if it travels at the speed of light, it wouldn't have been able to reach earth's surface based on its lifespan yet we are able detect them at our surface.


Though, special relativity and time dilation explains only going forward in time.

Going back in time however, some theories suggest that a massive enough object is able to curve space time so greatly that if we are able to "jump" the void caused by the curvature, we will reach a point in spacetime where the actual flow of time has yet to arrive. Black hole as THE possible massive object?. Though this is general relativity which requires maths which i can't even understand, to well .. understand it.



PS. strictly on time travel. Paradoxes are situations based on us as humans. Since if humans approach c, we will lose almost all of our mass and turn into energy tongue.gif Though i have used human descriptive, specifically those in " " as it is easier to understand

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post Jun 24 2009, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(mylife4nerzhul @ Jun 24 2009, 04:14 PM)
Even if a governing body fails to control access to time travel, those who have such machines are probably very powerful organizations such as governments, not your average Joe walking in the street. I mean, it's not like today's typical household owns any nuclear weapons.

And they will also aply strict codes of conduct when traveling into he past, and work discreetly so as to minimize the butterfly effect.

I say 'minimize' because the effect still exists, and because of these time travelers, our future is always in flux (our future changing each time there is a change in he past).

Anyhow, I think time traveling is just science fiction. Pseudo science at best.
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In terms of human time traveling probably. As far as scientific theory and real life application, it is already happening and used in today's techonology (GPS satellites).

Though it also depends on how you define time travel. An analogy i made based on the maths of time dilation is in one of the post above.
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post Jun 29 2009, 03:42 AM

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QUOTE(Miri-Sarawak @ Jun 28 2009, 03:33 PM)
TIME TRAVEL ARE A NONSENSE !!!! YOU HEAR ME NONSENSE !!!

Garbage talk will get you all nowhere without fact and logic thinking.
I do logic think and this is logic !!!

IT IS NONSENSE AND A JOKE THAT PEOPLE CAN TIME TRAVEL !!

Do you all Agree with me??? Your thoughts..
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Obviously you didn't bother to read the posts that are here in this thread.
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post Sep 4 2009, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(C-Note @ Sep 4 2009, 09:39 PM)
all these theories will remain as theories until they are proven. if those scientists can theorize, y cant I?


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Curvature of spacetime and time dilation is a proven theory. Go read up on it

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According to The C-Note theory, anything that travels at the speed of light will be annihilated and vanish into thin air.

prove me wrong.


That is basically e=mc^2

When you reach the speed of light, your mass becomes energy.

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post Sep 5 2009, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(C-Note @ Sep 5 2009, 01:02 AM)
then what is superluminality if it become energy?
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Gotta admit this is the first time i hear of this term. Upon reading up, it has to do with tunneling of spacetime. This is where Einstein's General Relativity explains it.
Curvature of spacetime makes it LOOK like a particle beat light to a point, when infact the particle took a shortcut. Just that.

When dealing with quantum conditions, such observations include the quantum leap. Which is yet to be completely explained.
Current theories still hold.

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post Sep 8 2009, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 8 2009, 10:15 AM)
Even if TIME is recorded, what good does it do?

Since it is so fascinating to talk about theory when we are in the well, think about what would you do after that when you jump out the well looking at the whole picture.
Jump here and there to rectify or alter the past for an ideal future, if doesn't turn out to be the way you prefer, go back and do it differently, I think it is stupid, I choose not to be born instead.

This whole idea is just for the sake of argument for those who think linear.
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Mainly because most of the ideas posted here are by people who didn't read the previous posts on the true concept of time travel as we apply it.

It is by no means for the sake of argument.

Did you know that GPS technology rely heavily on correcting time difference caused by time dilation? else the internal clocks in the satellite will go off-sync very fast. And even an off-sync on the scale of micro seconds can be catastrophic in navigation.

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post Sep 9 2009, 08:44 PM

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The future is yet to be made.

If you travel forward in time, whatever happen while you were moving through this time is beyond your control. It will happen as if you have disappear. This travel is also a one way travel. There is no turning back.

Even you said it. Its on the device only. The device has travel forward in time by the nano-second ( on my example of GPS satelite ).

There is already lengthy 'simple' english explanation on this a few pages back. So do read those, don't make me copy paste my own post.


Added on September 9, 2009, 8:46 pmAnother important thing to note is the limit of speed, you won't be able to see an appreciable amount of growth ( on your plant example ) because you will never get something that big to reach even half the speed of light.

Dropping such thing into blackholes is beyond question as you will never get to observe what happen unless you found that a wormhole exits somewhere else. Yet another debatable subject.

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post Sep 10 2009, 08:35 PM

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The reason why we don't have doubts when posting about this is that this theory has already been proven experimentally. It is difficult to explain it in normal words because it really can't be. I'm sure even the greatest artist in the world will have trouble drawing up a 4-dimensional picture.

To your question on what is time, time is nothing. So is space, it is nothing. Thus we have this thing called spacetime( another thing that is proven and described mathematically ). The term 'time travel' is thought up while sort of relating the term travel and space. It is just a term.

The whole of it is like what you said it. It is just delaying time of your inertial frame. There is no space destination, neither is there a time destination. All you have is spacetime. There is no medium for space or time. Space and time IS the medium. You travel through the medium, not TO the medium.

Like i said before, this concept is very abstract in application of large objects. You need alot of hypothetical conditions for human 'time travel'.

The fact is that this 'time travel' is already a proven theory. Though (im saying this again, the post is even on the same page) many people simply refuse to read up on the real details and assume we are trying to prove time travel like you see in movies.

I also quote this posted by another one of our forumer incase you think that im talking nonsense and making things up

QUOTE(bgeh @ Sep 10 2009, 07:37 PM)
Also, if you're truly interested in relativity, take a book and read about it. The math isn't very hard at all, it's just Add Math you did in F4, pretty much (or simpler). It's the physical implications that boggle the minds of students learning the subject till today.


Once again, time travel is just a term people use. Don't get distracted by the people here who don't read previous posts and assume their own things.

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post Feb 4 2010, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(kenboon90 @ Feb 4 2010, 05:56 PM)
Time is just a name for the second u read this tilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll this.

So,its impossible to actually travel in time,if we could ever travel faster than speed of light,we'll turn into human spaghetti.

Travel in time,has many meanings

It may means that MrX flew back to 2001 to cease the 911

Or

Your mom adjusted your watch,and so u traveled faster than most of us with 5 seconds or wat.

Or

If every living creature in the world agrees to change today's date to 2009,and it does,then we are still traveling in time ain't it?
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Please read the previous posts in the thread.
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post Nov 4 2010, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Searingmage @ Nov 4 2010, 09:24 AM)
I remembered reading another possible theory about time travelling, which mentioned that we can "travel" to the past only as an observer. In another word, we can't actually do anything, we just see the image of the past because we simply go back to the time when the light is still there (which in turn, allow us to "see")
However, even if it's possible, it may not qualify as time travelling.
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Hmm, i never thought of it this way. Perhaps if we can create a machine to view a certain event, certainly much more feasible than a machine to take us physically there. This could find good use in forensics biggrin.gif

 

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