Do you believe that eventually mankind will be able to travel through time?

If no, then why?
If yes, how do you personally think it could be achieve?

Tell us your ideas, logical/illogical, based on your fantasies or based on real scientific theories/facts.

time travel is currently deemed as fiction only, at least to me.

As einstein stated in his theory of special relativity, there is no object can travel faster than the speed of light.

Most theories suggest that you can do time travelling when you can exceed the speed of light. But if you cannot exceed the speed of light, then any theory beyond it will be falsified automatically.

A speed near to speed of light will have the effect of time dilation but not time travelling.

Perhaps we can have some new theory in the future that suggest some new models of space time. Let's wait and see.

How it is possible to go back to the past? Even if you can go faster than the speed of light, you would probably be able to delay time.

time travel isn't possible if it's believed in its conventional forms. There are theories that time in essence is constant. Its the universe that is changing, moving or so goes of the theories based along that line.
There's also parallel universe kind of thing and also the sting theory whereas other dimensions existed until the 10th. Time itself is a dimension whereas we lived or perceived time in a linear fashion like 2D.

I believe time travel has a close relation to both time and space. Remember Hiro Nakamura? Time & Space
If there's something that could travel through space without the physical journey itself, wouldn't it be faster than the speed of light already?
The closest thing that can defy space is probably the human mind.

Why not? I am pretty sure we or something from us could go back to the past. I am not sure about the future though...

Yup, the concept of time is merely something humans created to describe the ever changing states of the universe. Probably there is no such thing as time.

what you are saying doesn't have anything to do with travelling faster than speed of light at all.

Do realise that space-time in general relativity is not as easy as you thought. I don't know who is hiro nakamura and a google seems to be a drama character?

You do realise that real physics and Science fiction are totally 2 different thing?

wow..time travel..i always love it..makes me thing harder..is it really possible..

In my opinion, it's the other way around. I think one can travel to the future, but not the past. Here's my justification:

Using the twin paradox, I present an example from wikipedia:
In this case, in my opinion, you can say that the twin which travelled to space has gone into the future. But you cannot say that the twin on earth has gone to the past just by seeing his younger twin. This is because everything else has changed normally except the space ship crew. And this is why I don't see how one can go to the past.

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Jun 14 2009, 04:30 PM

well, what i was saying is that if there is a way to break space, like jumping from one point to another instantly, like a shortcut, a tunnel through space then we would be practically travelling faster than the speed of light already...

Interesting topic.

1. If time travel is possible, why hasn't any future human come by and visit us? Given the infinite amount of time available in "future", surely humans would have invented a time travel machine if it is at all a possible feat.

2. The paradox of what would happen if you travel to your past and changed something to yourself. What would happen to your current self then? I do not agree the concept of journeying to a parallel universe counts as time traveling.

I think they have. Think of events in history, like the accuracy of the alignment of the pyramids and why astronomers today still use Inca ruins to correct their computer calculation programmes. Probably this explains why there are sightings of UFO sometimes. They could be future humans instead of aliens. I think once time travelling is discovered, those in authority create some laws to govern time-travelling, to ensure that we do not go back and screw the past, which might lead to the extinction of humans.

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Jun 14 2009, 03:59 PM

Your kidding right? I mean none of those explanations constitute hard evidence for the existence of time travelling.
And I usually believe in simpler explanations rather than thinking of the many fantastic possibilities.

Your arguments about time dilation merits some thoughts though.

time dilation has nothing to do with time travelling at all.

The twin paradox which is based on time dilation is just an effect observed from special relativity.

Those who studied special relativity should be able to understand twin paradox easily.

For those who don't, it's good for you to learn some.

Actually, anyone who travel on bike or car or plane would live a longer life compare to your friend standing on earth (the initial frame). However, the effect is too little (perhaps the range of less than few nano seconds) thus having no impact at all.

However, a number like 0.8c will have such effect by then.

Those who are interested you can study length contraction as well.

To TS, what you mention is wormhole, another theoretical proposal which still haven't been proven until today. However, i do believe wormhole exists as in GR but doesn't promote time travelling. GR is not really my field so my statement is not really correct. It is just a believe rather than a physics research.

Ok, i see the idea. The child that has gone on the journey practically travelled on the speed of light aboard the ship. Then when he returns he sees his older twins. So you assumed that he has travelled to the future to see his older twin brother. But why didn't he see his older "self"? Where has his older self gone to?

But then we wouldn't know for sure if this will really happen. Nobody has travelled that far and with that speed...

1. How do you know they hasn't came back? Probably they still look like us. Walk like us. Talk like us. And most likely time travelling in the future will be limited to certain groups of people only (like the military or scientists). It wouldn't be a public thing to do. Imagine the consequences if everyone can travel backwards. There will be chaos. Paradoxes everywhere when everyone alters history.

2. Well, the grandfather paradox. Like if you go back in time and kill your grandfather then you will cease to exist. Maybe that's what exactly will happen, you simply cease to exist. Maybe history can be altered...

It is not an evidence, but it could be a possible explanation as to why we do not have (or rather do not know of) visitors from the future.

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Added on June 14, 2009, 4:32 pmBut then again, if it is not the conventional time-travelling that we are talking about, could it be seen as another form of time-travelling?

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Jun 14 2009, 04:36 PM

How do I know, no I don't know. I'm simply questioning the odds of it happening, when given infinite amount of time.
And you're fantasizing la. Explain how a human being would simply "cease to exist". You think a bunch of molecules would just disappear without a trace like there's some kind of universe fabric with self-correction mechanism somewhere?
I'm not disagreeing with your ideas, just that there has to be some more "reasonable" explanations for them.

No, the grandfather paradox would mean that the bunch of molecules will never end up turning into your present self. Sure they'll exist, but will you?

if we travel faster than speed of light we will live in darkness...
when we travel faster than light example we overtake the light and we cant see the light....... what u think?


if cant see the light we will live in dark

This post has been edited by ganabathi: Jun 14 2009, 06:29 PM

Well TS just said I simply ceased to exists without elaborating further.

Taking your point of view, say if I'm talking to you face to face right now while someone goes back in time and killed my previous self, the current universe that contains me would have to be unravelled and rebuild in a new fashion without me and everything that I have done or changed. The question is what physics law governs that to happen? You said "never". However I am "already" here so something has to make the change. I'm questioning what forces of nature governs or controls this self-correcting mechanism. For all the molecules that's going to be restructured, where are all those energies going to come from?

The grandfather paradox scenario is I go back in time and killed or change something (killing my grandfather) that prevents my creation in the future so I couldn't have gone back in time in the first place thus creating a paradox.

I know what the grandfather paradox is. Let's not get into the paradox firstly. Suppose you indeed go back in time and alter time in such a way that your grandfather never meets your grandmother, i.e. it needs not be murder. You will by definition cease to exist. The combination of DNA molecules that is your genetic code wouldn't exist. So yes, you cease to exist. It is that ceasing to exist part that leads to the paradox.

There aren't any laws of physics I know of, regarding about what you're talking about. But giving it more thought, there isn't any need for 'energy' to change any action, because from the point in time you were killed, you 'ceased' to exist, and thus there doesn't need to be any unravelling of your actions in the time after that event, because you never participated in the thing in the first place.

Of course this is all highly speculative, and has nothing to do with the physics of time at all.

You mean I already rollback the time when I go back to my past? At which point the future no longer exists thus there's no need to make any changes in the future right?
Ah yes, that's another scenario which I have thought of long time ago. But calling that time-travelling is stretching it. It's more like reversing back everything in time except me and my time machine, and probably already expended all the energy it required there and then. Haha I think this is getting too fantastic to think about.

Maybe we should start defining what is or the different types of time-traveling.
Keeping back to the original topic, I'm more interested on the time dilation theory.

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wana ask lik wat tgrr asked..
do u mean travel with the time machine where everyone else is not?

wel, i think if based on physics, it is possible.

but, realisticly.. how r we gonna make that machine thing?? n how to test it out??

if u r saying the twins who travelled n so on right.. it is applicable here also wert.. malaysia and new york have different time zone. eg, today is my bday.. i fly to new york, oh, is my bday too!

i really like science topics. and wanna post alot of my ques but scare gold fries put one big cross there so i reply here first.

anyways, i think UFOs r from other planet, not future. for eg, we are living on earth. there are so many planets we have not discover. mayb they have another earth-like!!

I was thinking, is that even possible? I mean, if there is really a time machine, it has to be travelling at the speed of light. We human can only sustain maximum 9 gravity force and imagine if we are travelling at the speed of light, can we even stand the gravitational force?

good point. gravitational..

wel, i think if one really wanna travel as like the speed of light, one gotta divide themselves til atoms..

then,another ques.. how to join it back.. haha. but how to divide ah

BlueWind: speed =! force, and neither is it proportional. you're confusing acceleration and velocity

e.g. astronauts travel at some really high speed in the ISS (20,000 km/h or something relative to the surface of the Earth) but they're virtually weightless in the ISS

Haha, ok my bad sorry about that maybe I just don't fit into this discussion after all because of my shallow knowledge. I'm saying all this because I'm studying a subject related to this so ya.

Truth is, from what I think about time travel, it would be interesting if it is possible. However, there are some points to ponder:

That is because time on earth is a relative value rather than a constant one. That is why we have 24 time zone on earth instead of just one.

Eg. A malaysian's 12pm is a New Yorker's 12am at the same point of time, while that same point of time is constant throughout the universe ever since the beginning of well. Time.

I personally believe time travel do not exist, all the existing time paradoxes sum up my argument.

My biggest doubt is traveling back into the past. A governing body that control time travel strictly? It will only take one single rogue time traveler to go back in past, causing event with powerful butterfly effect and create all kind of chaos.

With an infinite future, are there any guarantee that nobody else but the governing body develop time machine that's capable of traveling to the past? North Korea developed nuclear weapons too you know so what's there to stop countries that aren't on agreeable term with time traveling administrations bodies developing time machine and using them?

Time slowing down through high speed while proven possible but it's more of an illusion.

An astronaut slowed down 5 years of his time out of normal earth 10 years for eg.

So if he say, started his speedy journey at 2010, while he only aged 5 years, he still returns to Earth at the year 2020 not 2015. Since time is a relative value, it does give the illusion he traveled through time into 5 years ahead.

This post has been edited by SeaGates: Jun 15 2009, 01:17 PM

Interesting, and it's weird to see there's no one else that mentions about the butterfly effect. I had that in mind because I just watched Heroes not long ago and was discussing about butterfly effect and chaos theory with my friend last night XD

On the other hand, does theory of time relativity apply here in some manner? I'm interested, but yet I might be wrong. XD

-crap double posted-

This post has been edited by eXPeri3nc3: Jun 15 2009, 02:08 PM

to me... time travelling doesnt exist and wouldnt, mainly because i believe that this little thingy called time doesn't exist. This thing call time is just a calculation of duration.

imagine you can time table, try doing something like terminator. U hate this guy here, u come back to time, kill his father, run back to future. Easy and no one catch u for that crime xD

Don't believe in movie and shows Paradox and theory of time travel apply subjectively.

Take Terminator franchise. It is good example of time travel that defies paradox subjectively, meaning one person's paradox is applied while the other don't suffer from the effect.

In T1, the remains of Terminator were later used as research by Cyberdyne to lay the foundation for Skynet and other killing machines. The Terminator is from the future, so it becomes a loop with no beginning nor end, chicken and egg paradox.

John Connor wouldn't exist without Kyle Reese, and Kyle Reese wouldn't be sent back without John Connor. Another loop.

John Connor would have know that Skynet wasn't defeated when T2 ends. If Skynet cease to exist after he throws the chip and arm stolen from Cyberdyne into the molten steel. Why didn't the T-1000 vanishes? It won't take T3 to let John knows that Judgement Day is still there.


Time is actually a unit to calculate durations that's why it's relative (24 hour time zone thing) But, what is 'duration' then? They aren't made out of matters in the visible 3 dimension. It is said this 'duration' made up another invisible dimension that we couldn't see with conventional means. This is the place where time runs at a constant rate.

Do note that science beyond the 3 dimension is still an ongoing research(String Theory, The Theory of Everything), if I'd figured out to discuss it further I would've won a Nobel Prize already

Your father killing scenario has a paradox as well.

You kill his father, he wouldn't exist, why would you hate him? He doesn't exist! So what's drives you to go back in time and kill his father?

This is why I believe time travel doesn't exist.

This post has been edited by SeaGates: Jun 15 2009, 04:50 PM

this thread should be discussing about time travel... not paradoxes. we dont really know that much about paradoxes, too many possibilities...not to mention there's the possibilities of other dimensions / alternate realities according to string theory (afaik , my rusty science knowledge)

time travel theoretically is possible, according to general or special relativity (i forgot which).

I wonder if everything in the universe is predestined. This would lead to two possibilities (that I can think of): either time-travelling is impossible or you can only be an observer. The latter means that when you travel back, you cannot change anything at all. ie. nobody would be able to see you, hear you, feel you etc.

Or maybe it is not predestined, which means time travelling would cause history to change. I cannot think of what would happen if you change the future. ie. Would the present alter itself to fit the future?

Or maybe only some points in history cannot be changed (partially predestined). Other events can be altered to give a slightly different history. eg. If you go back and kill Hitler, someone else would replace him as Fuhrer and start World War 2. Which means Hitler would be a nobody in history, but World War 2 would still happen.

I can't help recall a quote by someone,

'I notice that even people who claim everything is predestined, look before they cross the road'

Time travel would be an interesting issue if it was actually possible, (regardless of whether it is)

Just to play devil's advocate, I believe to us, from our 3-dimensional view of things, it must honestly seem impossible. If we had somehow be able to transcend and be a 4-dimensional being, time travel would actually be as simple as moving from point a to point b.

Anyone believe that if we could travel at the speed of light, we could accomplish time travelling? Imagine you travel at speed of light, ok lets not go that far, imagine we travel at the speed of an aeroplane, a speed of 245 m/s, slow if compared to the speed of light( i think...) we already burned and vanish to air, due to.... air friction? and now u want to travel at the speed of light...

I once imagined, blackhole and wormhole( i wonder if they are same ). If u are sucked into a blackhole, u probably be sucked to another dimension or possibly another time.. xD

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Added on June 15, 2009, 6:51 pmbtw, albert einstein promoted that quote where time travel is possible if u are able to travel at the speed of light.

This post has been edited by IcyDarling: Jun 15 2009, 06:51 PM

I think being 3 or 4 dimensional is our human perspective (limited by our understanding). Just like if we insist that the world is 2-dimensional, some things that we do now would be impossible.

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Added on June 15, 2009, 6:53 pmAir-friction in the outer space is zero

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Jun 15 2009, 06:53 PM

Makes me think about mind travel, only in the form of frequency but when things are destroyed in the past, it does not exist anymore unless time or physical entity is recorded and can recall back like a video.

Imagine the food we ate, absorbed and passed out process in reverse! If human can do that, life becomes meaning less. Even if we are unable to interfere but can prevent something from happening like the movie "Minority report", it won't do us any good unless to prevent from near extinction trying to find clues from history.

I don't see why there is a need for time travel in the first place, life is such because we don't know, if you know when and how you will die, you will try to alter it so you can choose to die in bed peacefully.

4th dimension is in dream and 5th is teleport, I guess time travel would be 6D.

would it be possible for a shuttle to be fixed to 10 nuclear-powered rocket? Despite the heat that poor astronout will be taking

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Added on June 15, 2009, 6:55 pmmind reading?

This post has been edited by IcyDarling: Jun 15 2009, 06:55 PM

Lol I never watched a single series of Terminator XD

With that aside, you do have your points lol. But still butterfly effect does make sense, each action will make the outcome different.

And yea likewise to what you said, say you travel back in time to the past to change something, wouldn't that change the current and future you? No?

The paradoxes I've mentioned are very related to issue with time travel. Even if you're able to travel back in time, you have to overcome these paradoxes, or you'll be traveling into an alternate universe that have an entire set of scientific laws that nullifies the logic of mentioned paradoxes. I won't count jumping universe as time travel because you're no longer influencing the universe you are from, but rather in another universe.

There's theories that the universe we live in keep duplicating itself everytime a single 'tick' of universe time is passed. These duplicates are infinite that they account for every possible outcome of certain event in the universe. Quantum physic stuff if I am not mistaken

Eg. If you rolled 2 dice, there can be 37 outcome, so at the moment you roll the dice, your universe will be duplicated 36 times for a total of 37 different outcome(36 plus the one you're currently in).

Time travel is not only theory, but it's actually happening. We're traveling into the future 1 second at a time what

The question now is can be manipulate that constant flow of time that we can move back and forth at any point of time in space?

I still think no

Observing time traveler? Whee! We blew billions to create the universe's biggest history book

If the universe is predestined, you won't be traveling back in time, even as an observer. What you observe in the past may alter your present perception that will alter your future action. So if it's predestined, you shouldn't be changing your mind after reading what's in the past because that will alter the future.

In a predestined universe, Hitler will never get killed but WWII would still happen. It's contradicting because, if WWII were to still happen because it's being 'predestined'. Hitler would be predestined not to die as well

Actually no, space is full of space dust. At the speed of light, hitting a single sub atom is like the entire Jupiter slamming your body.

Outer space isn't actually void of nothing. If you travel beyond the border of universe, the empty 'space' is actually something. So it's sort of a perspective issue

This post has been edited by SeaGates: Jun 15 2009, 10:51 PM

i asked my teacher this ques yesterday. he said from maths calculations, yes, it is possible.

but if is possible, we should see someone from the future with their assets together here..

If the universe if predestined, maybe even the time-travelling that you do is already predestined. On Hitler getting killed, that's my opinion (or rather speculation) on semi-predestination. What I have in mind about semi-predestination would be that some events are predestined and some are not.

No, I think you misunderstood me. I said there no air friction in space.
This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Jun 16 2009, 03:15 PM

Ahh, yes, I semi-misunderstood you on the friction thing. There's no air in space

Particles of space dust as small as hydrogen still exist however. If you're going fast enough to pass through lots of these particles, their cumulative force resistance is enough to drag you down just like air

yeah. the space is dust, but then would it be possible to travel at the speed of light?

One of the greatest misconceptions is that time is this "something" that you can travel. Who says time is something that you "can travel" anyways? Time is simple: it is change; nothing more and nothing less. You can have more change (like time "speeds" up), less change (like time "slows" down), or no change (like time stays "still"), but you can't have negative change. I hope that clears things up.

But dont worry, At least you can stop the agging


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Probably on how we define time travel.

Based on time dilation,
If my inertial frame were to experience time dilation, where my inertial "clock" move slower, the observers flow of time would have gone past me.
Let the observers time frame would be hypothetically t=2000s where as in my time frame it would only be t=1500s both relative to the "True clock" or "start of event"
To myself, my time frame would be the "true" timeframe. I see the observer as something that have yet to exist on my time frame, something that is aged t=2000s. But only 1500s has passed in my time frame. Hence i can conclude that i have "traveled" to the future.
To the observer, i am "younger" than i should be. I have "aged" only 1500s where as their "clock" shows that it is t=2000s. Hence, they can conclude that i have travelled from the past.
Isn't this in essence the "time travelling" that is hyped about?

Evidence is quite clear on how the subatomic particle,muon which has a lifespan in nanoseconds before it decays, reaches the earth's surface from the upper atmosphere. Even if it travels at the speed of light, it wouldn't have been able to reach earth's surface based on its lifespan yet we are able detect them at our surface.


Though, special relativity and time dilation explains only going forward in time.

Going back in time however, some theories suggest that a massive enough object is able to curve space time so greatly that if we are able to "jump" the void caused by the curvature, we will reach a point in spacetime where the actual flow of time has yet to arrive. Black hole as THE possible massive object?. Though this is general relativity which requires maths which i can't even understand, to well .. understand it.



PS. strictly on time travel. Paradoxes are situations based on us as humans. Since if humans approach c, we will lose almost all of our mass and turn into energy Though i have used human descriptive, specifically those in " " as it is easier to understand

This post has been edited by befitozi: Jun 18 2009, 05:24 AM

Do you experience some sort of sense; for example;

Today, you dream about something.
About a week, you go some place that you never been and suddenly, you feel that you have visit that place, but can't recall when.

is it similar to time travel as well?

It's not time travel...it's called Paramnesia.

Theoretical speaking, Paramnesia experiences are just an aberration of this normal recognition experience. No worries!

Regards, Joey

p.s: I experienced it before. Kind of weird but it's all psychology.

I don't think that can be considered time travel because it happens in your subconscious. I think it's also known as Deja_Vu. I have experienced that before. In fact, I've heard of quite a number of people who have experienced it before. But I think topics like that come under metaphysics.

yes it's deja-vu.not linked to time travel.i've experienced it many-many times.at first i also did feel kinda weird having such experience.but after seeing one documentary,i forget which one,everything about it clears up for me.no, its not metaphysics let alone some form of time travel.it's pure biology.how our brain process information.the experience we feel we have gone through actually never took place before.it's only our brain somehow 'incorrectly' perceive it that way,putting that information in wrong section of the memory...aahh my brain's bleeding trying to explain this.

about time travel,what is 'time' in the first place.i think couple of forummers already brought this up.it's likely to be the conclusion for this topic but it seems people here love the going on debate.its an interesting topic afterall.i'll continue reading after friday prayer

IINM, the definition actually means the confusion state whereby you think that you are familiar with a certain condition but it's all in your brain. I blogged about it before referring to an article from newscientist.com

-- But of course people do refer Deja Vu as promnesia --

This post has been edited by eXPeri3nc3: Jun 19 2009, 01:17 PM

I believe there is time travel... it was proven a success by the US government.. go google for the survivors for project manhattan and... another project which is the time travel project... mentauk i think...

de javu? though there aren't much concrete reliable scientific explanation on this matter, i believe this have very much to do with parallel universe theory. whereby there are many variables of result that can come off from the same action then the fruit of said action then may causes a chain affect of after results and its a cycle of the same thing.

of course it is impossible to have different results in this current time and in this current universe, but it could be a clash of results that when it involves ourselves, thus us having a feeling of something has happened before.

if parallel universe u are talking about quantum physics.. then String theory would be the better answer to this.

Even if a governing body fails to control access to time travel, those who have such machines are probably very powerful organizations such as governments, not your average Joe walking in the street. I mean, it's not like today's typical household owns any nuclear weapons.

And they will also aply strict codes of conduct when traveling into he past, and work discreetly so as to minimize the butterfly effect.

I say 'minimize' because the effect still exists, and because of these time travelers, our future is always in flux (our future changing each time there is a change in he past).

Anyhow, I think time traveling is just science fiction. Pseudo science at best.

This post has been edited by mylife4nerzhul: Jun 24 2009, 04:21 PM

In terms of human time traveling probably. As far as scientific theory and real life application, it is already happening and used in today's techonology (GPS satellites).

Though it also depends on how you define time travel. An analogy i made based on the maths of time dilation is in one of the post above.

TIME TRAVEL ARE A NONSENSE !!!! YOU HEAR ME NONSENSE !!!

Garbage talk will get you all nowhere without fact and logic thinking.
I do logic think and this is logic !!!

IT IS NONSENSE AND A JOKE THAT PEOPLE CAN TIME TRAVEL !!

Do you all Agree with me??? Your thoughts..

Obviously you didn't bother to read the posts that are here in this thread.

It still doesn't stop rogue members/agencies from using it for illicit/unsanctioned action. Unless you're sending robots back in time, but what are the guarantee that it will not malfunction or has Trojan code in it's programming?

Codes of conduct only look good on paper, practical wise it's a terrible way to enforce law and order.

Nothing to back up what you've said, now that's what I call nonsense

Seems like the only garbage in this thread so far is from you

Come on, say something to back up your 'logic thinking' that time travel is nonsense.

This post has been edited by SeaGates: Jun 29 2009, 10:13 PM

We talked about going back and forth in time...

But has anyone pondered about the possibility to freeze time?

Freezing time as in everyone else and everthing else is freezed and only you can move...like in many fictions...

the only way to achieve this imo is that you speed yourself up until everything else is slowed down (in your perspective) to a point that they seems like completely stopped. how to do it? i dunno lolz.

This post has been edited by Shadow Kun: Jul 3 2009, 01:22 AM

Like you said, even if we can freeze time, we only return to the time before we start. Read on for a simple example.

There is a theory, if we are able to travel exceeding lightspeed, we can travel back in time. (also mention in Hero series, rest assure that this is a valid theory). But it's just a theory. Our current mathematical model cannot predict that far. Nobody know how do time behave if we exceed lightspeed.

Past: I don't think we can go back to the past but nowadays everything seems possible

Future: And also I don't think we can go to the future. Hmm, did you guys happen to 'dreaming' the future? I had it few times when I was younger. It's like you dream that you in the class and the teacher talking to you(in the dreaming) than a week or a month later you get the same/exact view just like in your dreams. It's weird...

I get the same thing as well. Dream of a stranger, and months or years later, I saw that familiar face in the most unlikely place. Also dream of songs I never heard before, but hear it months or years after.

Some people say it's deja vu (nothing but merely coincidence), some people believe it's a sign from God, some believe it's psychic power. But from science, I also don't know. haha Never heard of any valid (and solid) theory from science. Just a wild theory, it could be that the intergalatic forces has form a harmonious equilibrium at that moment and location which we slept, and distort the higher dimension and allow our concious (brainwave) to travel across it for split second.

Ok, back to reality. It think that should falls under psychology or psychic topic. Nothing to do with time-traveling.

This post has been edited by Aurora: Jul 4 2009, 02:10 AM

Wahlau eh.......bila mau keluar thesis?

as i read, i think nowadays ppl r begun to acknowledge that a "future" dream is possibly true. I dont remember which movie was it, but it kinda knock me a bit how we, human was able to drawn a "future" into their dreams. These stuff also happens to me frequently when i was in lower secondary and some of the "future" dream was realized as i reach at certain time.

I wonder if we able to confirm that the "future" dream was as real as it can get, could it mean unintended time paradox??

This post has been edited by ichi_24: Jul 13 2009, 10:49 AM

when you talk about infinite time available in the future,

everyone know what is evolution, WHAT IF, those UFO and "ALIENS" as we call from outer space, are actually the evolution of homosapiens form in the far far future???[SIZE=7] look its possible, as you can see those xenu actually closely resembles human form, they have bigger heads and small body, which indicated we homosapiens use more brain than our body thus it evolve it such a way.

so IF my theory is right, yes the people from the future DID give us a visit! from amateur videos, we know that UFO travel in fast speed and since the theory said when we can travel faster than light we can travel time so those UFOs are actually a flying time machine from the future!!

OMG this all make sense I started to scare myself!!11


This post has been edited by ah_suknat: Aug 27 2009, 02:31 AM

deja vu has a scientific explanation, the brain stop processing at a fraction of a second and when resume, it recall the last thing we saw in memory. I saw this from TV program a long time ago before we have National Geographic Society video. (TransTel, BBC)

Everyone have such experience and if we can crossover to the future time zone, why can't we experience backward like seeing history? Think again, if we can go front & back, it means time is recorded at all level like a video camera but in a medium far greater than what we can imagine. If so, the future is already history and for that, I conclude that time travel is not possible otherwise continue to live is meaningless since we are destined.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 28 2009, 02:36 PM

lets says with two dot.
in one paper.
u bend the paper and those two dot meet together, thats part of the theory
wormhole , which eventually relate to time travel, of coz the paper replace with time frame.

Your theory means our life is going in circle that when we reached the end of the dot we go back to the day where Universe is born, then what medium is holding time? It just go round & round? If so why bother about Armageddon or end of the world, why try to save the Earth and recycle since it will restart when the end comes.

all these theories will remain as theories until they are proven. if those scientists can theorize, y cant I?

According to The C-Note theory, anything that travels at the speed of light will be annihilated and vanish into thin air.

prove me wrong.

tat is not my theory , abt the recycle thing.

things tat holding the time is partially abt it is not a circle is a short cut to put two dot in tat medium together
just like folding a paper,tats how the idea wormhole form.

lets says september 4th ,9.40pm. u wish to go back 1st september 9.40pm.
u need to bend the timeframe and meet two time(dot) together , and some how time travel is achieve.
but those are just theory.
if i manage 2 do tat i dont even need 2 sit there and facing my pc and type all this things

This post has been edited by jinkinz: Sep 4 2009, 09:45 PM

that's one hell of a theory

i got few theory abt ufo too

oohh...
share some then

maybe some other time

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Added on September 4, 2009, 10:20 pmmaybe reveal abit, lol ufo use anti matter to move ur plane

This post has been edited by jinkinz: Sep 4 2009, 10:20 PM

spicing things up, what do u guys think about time reversal/acceleration?

in time travelling, individual a will go to the past and he can see his past-self.
but in time reversal, its like rewinding things.

most of the time paradox wont apply here because when u reverse time, u actually erase the present time. theres nothing to paradox with as u need the past and the present/future to achieve a paradox. u still get the chance the chance to rewrote the past-present.
but i do think time reversal would cost too much energy to be done anyway. imagine u unraveling every builded things, reversing every physics phenomenon.
a simpler view would be EVERYONE is time traveling.
the future, AGAIN, could be anything as phenomenon that relies on randomness may yield different results.
and i dont think u can attain the knowledge uve gained all of those years, right?

Curvature of spacetime and time dilation is a proven theory. Go read up on it



That is basically e=mc^2

When you reach the speed of light, your mass becomes energy.

This post has been edited by befitozi: Sep 4 2009, 11:25 PM

then what is superluminality if it become energy?

Do you have any mathematics at all to back up your theory? What is your proposed mechanism of annihilation? Where does the free energy that is created go to? Another dimension? Perhaps if you could answer these questions with some valid math, then your C-Note theory might even be considered among the many existing competing theories

Thats the thing about theoretical physics. The scientists arent acutally sitting around folding pieces of paper and calling these their "theories" They start of with a certain accepted theory, crunch the numbers, solve the equations, and find a solution from there. At times the analogies produce their work, but other times, are infact a result of their calculations

This post has been edited by joe_star: Sep 5 2009, 01:10 AM

Gotta admit this is the first time i hear of this term. Upon reading up, it has to do with tunneling of spacetime. This is where Einstein's General Relativity explains it.
Curvature of spacetime makes it LOOK like a particle beat light to a point, when infact the particle took a shortcut. Just that.

When dealing with quantum conditions, such observations include the quantum leap. Which is yet to be completely explained.
Current theories still hold.

This post has been edited by befitozi: Sep 5 2009, 01:24 AM

Maybe there is such a thing as time travelling. Everyone is working on it right? The country that has this technology would be the first to rule the world.

i doubt it. rite now, most of developed country r more concerned on energy research.

Travel faster than light means u can travel to the past?

means ur a goner

Even if TIME is recorded, what good does it do?

Since it is so fascinating to talk about theory when we are in the well, think about what would you do after that when you jump out the well looking at the whole picture.
Jump here and there to rectify or alter the past for an ideal future, if doesn't turn out to be the way you prefer, go back and do it differently, I think it is stupid, I choose not to be born instead.

This whole idea is just for the sake of argument for those who think linear.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 8 2009, 10:17 AM

Mainly because most of the ideas posted here are by people who didn't read the previous posts on the true concept of time travel as we apply it.

It is by no means for the sake of argument.

Did you know that GPS technology rely heavily on correcting time difference caused by time dilation? else the internal clocks in the satellite will go off-sync very fast. And even an off-sync on the scale of micro seconds can be catastrophic in navigation.

This post has been edited by befitozi: Sep 8 2009, 08:01 PM

Time dilation is gravitational effect on device only, time is created as a standard to measure but everything has its own time such as some animal can move and react faster, plant grow at much slower pace and when parts of them are eaten by animals, the others begin to develop defence mechanism by generate poison & thorn.

Put aside possibilities, if just one human can achieve time travel, that person can leap in and out across time zone would make him GOD. Make everyone worship the living god and how far into the future or the beginning? By then you will wonder what medium is holding time and want to transform out of human body to become a divine power.

MATRIX movie; If there is a beginning, there is an end. When we know how we are going to end, everything else is meaningless, we continue to live because we don’t know the limit.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 9 2009, 10:20 AM

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of what time is as discussed in this topic. Firstly time is no more a creation of man than is physical space. Both are innate quantities in the universe, and are universal in accordance to physical laws.

Secondly no medium holds time, time IS the medium. And the measurements that we make, i.e. with clocks, measure the changes in this medium. Similarly no medium holds physical space, space is the medium in which we measure distances. As to what's beyond these, well there's just no concrete answer.

You could argue about the existence of higher layers of abstraction (what's beyond the universe?) but they're strictly in the realms of theoretical physics, such as string theory and the like, and is of a separate scope altogether.

I also disagree with the notion that time dilation is not a form of time travel--because it can be. Make it so that you travel fast enough (say, 99.9% of the speed of light), manipulate your own (perceived) travel time, and you can travel to (nearly) any arbitrary point in the future.