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 AMD/ATI Radeon™ HD 4000 Series Discussion v6, The time moves on..Prepare HD5000 Series

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post May 15 2009, 03:55 PM

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1 question here..
if i flash another bios into my gc..will the warrty void? want to try a bit high with my 4830...if reflash back they will not notice right?
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post May 15 2009, 04:06 PM

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u sure? haish...even reflash back?
i love to oc in gc bios compared to rivatuner (if the oc above the ccc limit la)
i guess i have to satisfy with the current performance la
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post May 15 2009, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 15 2009, 04:11 PM)
Humm..i do remember one guy here (tech3910 kot?) flash his reference 4870 with asus top bios...and dead after several month laugh.gif

he succesfully rma his card anyway..
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hehe..then ill go back and flash la.. higher voltage.. will it worth?
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post May 15 2009, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 15 2009, 04:17 PM)
if you use latest RBE, there is limitation of voltage you can choose...

im currently on 730 core with the highest voltage available at the RBE.. (maybe 1.1xx something)
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ya..i know but i realize the volt can be type in instead of using the volt that within the option..i donno about the newest rbe..but few weeks ago, it yes can be key in..


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post May 17 2009, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 16 2009, 08:35 PM)
either way also you get similar performance.

from my tests, HD4890 still lead in many cases.

I believe the HD4770 CF will lead if you have x16/x16 crossfire speed like X38 / X48 / X58 chipset but your board is on x8 / x8 which is like my P45. smile.gif
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is there a very significant difference in running on x16 x16 and x8 x8...
from what i heard only too powerful cf like 4870x2 will be less in performance if running it at x8 x8..others still ok
and btw theres one pcie is 16x and the other one is x4..so this settup will lost much if cf?

QUOTE(TristanX @ May 17 2009, 03:07 PM)
Microsoft already announced Windows 7 will be available by December and it includes DirectX 11. Probably that is the time DirectX 11 will be released. Look out for HD 5000 series tongue.gif
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but then most ppl still use dx9 (include me tho) sweat.gif sweat.gif

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post May 21 2009, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(toda6866 @ May 20 2009, 02:09 PM)
sifus, i hav a question pls...

im running on Palit Sonic HD4850;

when i OC it 730Mhz core, 1050Mhz mem

then play games (such as GTA4 or other 3D games) after some time, d screen will blackout, then VPU recover comes up n then my desktop turn into very ugly 8 bit 640x480, then says cant detect my graphics card

i hav 2 reboot then only can play games again

if running on 725Mhz, 1035Mhz mem its sooo stable can play for many many hrs

I dunno if its bcoz of hot temp? or insufficient power? or my card got prob?

using stock cooler fan runs on 85%(sonic cooler ok not reference) n juice from Enermax FMAII 460W

hmmm..... i dun wanna invest in the wrong item...
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im sooo familiar with vpu recover...
often happend..in my case mebbe oc too much..
but i have 1 case that after vpu recover, i lower the speed..still vpu recover..but i increase it back highr prom the prev..then no more vpu recover...
huhuuh

Anyone play gta4 with 4830? i want to play that game...but donno my rig can support or not..
what proc u using? since i only athlonx2 4000+ @3ghz only...
quite hard to find reviews using gta4 benchmark
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post May 21 2009, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(blindbox @ May 21 2009, 02:41 PM)
GTA 4? Triple core phenom II at least. Anything below is a no-no(high oc'ed c2d might work, but I don't know about this) Even then I play at 3.3 GHz(PhII x3 720BE here) instead of 2.8 GHz. It improves the small stuttering issue at 2.8 GHz.
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wahh..lost my hope.. cry.gif cry.gif
i heard someone out there play with laptop with minimum setting then...(i heard it somewhere here...but foget where it is)
and few amd user tell me can play..but not with all high..mebbe medium..
ok..make it simple.. if use like 720x3... can 4830 play it?

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post May 21 2009, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ May 21 2009, 03:07 PM)
can.. even with x2 also can play but u need adjust the graphic setting la..
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if i have to set it to the lowest..i choose not to play la...
hehehe.
last time i know that theres a tweak method that can get good graphic at lower reso.. hmm

QUOTE(8tvt @ May 21 2009, 03:15 PM)
ya..i know that..quite badly codded game...
ill try anyways..is there any update will be available in teh future?
haish..love killing innocent leh wub.gif wub.gif
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post May 22 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(chanws8 @ May 21 2009, 08:47 PM)
Ya, agree...My fren using E8600 also can play it, off course u need a good gpu as well...  smile.gif
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mind to tell me what gpu ur fren is using?
mind is 4830 only..wonder that enough....and 1400xXXX onli..

QUOTE(pikacu @ May 21 2009, 11:43 PM)
Too bad my PII 940 is accepted by GTAIV with 4x FPS brows.gif

GTAIV favors #x of cores than graphic card..
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40frs quite payable...but my proc sucks... mind to tell me what setting ur playing and what gpu?
surveying icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif ..i just want to play wub.gif
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post May 22 2009, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ May 22 2009, 10:43 AM)
before this i use amdx2 6000+ with ati4850, i got below 30fps at default setting.
after i changed to amdIIx3 720 the fps increase to 4Xfps also at default setting.  smile.gif
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with ur 6000+ what is the default setting then? reso?
thanks..if below 30..its not playable la then..
i guess ill forfeit gta4 then..
go for other games la..
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post May 24 2009, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 23 2009, 11:42 AM)
LOL....Brother Human Eye max also can see the FPS until 23 only.......if the FPS is more than 25 above u will not make any diffrences bewteen 25 or 50.....to play a game u just need maintain the fps at 25 above only then u will see anything in smooth...some ppl is 20 fps some is 25fps.
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u sure? when i do 3dmark... i can see the lag if the fps fall below 25..its observable... so i came to conclusion that 30fps is playable... then 50 above is smooth..
i do able to see... also playing grid.. at where there are many crowd and cars, the fps will be 35+... but when no crowd. its 60+ and i see the slight difference.

QUOTE(metsatsu @ May 23 2009, 07:04 PM)
er... I can tell the difference between 25fps and 50fps. In fact I can even tell the difference between 40fps and 55fps?

does that mean i'm a super human?
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mebbe... but not a super human.. alien!! shocking.gif shocking.gif joke joke

u shud consider read this
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How many frames per second can the human eye "see"?

Even though computers, video and film works on distinct frames, sampled at discrete points in time, there is no evidence suggesting that the human visual system works in the same way. Therefore, it is impossible to express the limitations of human perception as a given maximum framerate.


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post May 24 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ May 24 2009, 10:51 AM)
what is the diffrent between frames per second with fps? some games show that its running like more then 100+++fps (not sure the same or not). all this while i thought 60hz is the refresh rate of the lcd. while the fps is the rate that produce by gc at let say 100fps per 60hz while playing games. confuse oledi blink.gif
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me also confused...
here..u shud look at this... mebbe both the same.. i donno la.. fps is frames of pic that produce...but the refrsh rate is how many times in sec a monitor refresh..
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Frame rate, or frame frequency, is the measurement of the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames. The term applies equally well to computer graphics, video cameras, film cameras, and motion capture systems. Frame rate is most often expressed in frames per second (FPS) and in progressive-scan monitors as hertz (Hz).


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For example, a card may render a game at 100 FPS on a monitor running 75 Hz refresh, but no more than 75 FPS can actually be displayed on screen. As a result of the extra rendered frames, this would lead to a displayed frame to sometimes show more than one rendered frame on the screen, thus simulating the motion blur effect.

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QUOTE(everling @ May 24 2009, 11:18 AM)
kuntawakaw, your understanding is correct.

Where are you getting your quotes?
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its wiki!!!
u can try frames rates (fps) and refresh rates as keywords (lazy to seach back and give u the exact link sweat.gif )

i also not so sure about it.. but my louzy lcd only can go 60hz... if i go 75hz... the lcd will flicker if the display is bright (like white colour) dvi-d only i guess..

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QUOTE(reiben05 @ May 24 2009, 01:21 PM)
eh bro's can i ask a simple question ar about the new HD4770, is there a 8x AGP model for it?? and for the frame rates, i dont think the human eye will notice a lot of difference above than 40fps.. i tried recording crysis benchmark with a handphone, even places with 20 fps looks smooth lol and 40 fps looks the same as 20 fps =/..  and 60 fps for LCD is more than enough zzzzzz


Added on May 24, 2009, 1:27 pm

it'll be realised around the same time as GT300 will be out, so its around october i think =X
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i dont think theres any.. last time i read, the manu said its amazon fault for typo...
now i donno

and to record with hp..hp can only capture and display how many fps? i doubt its high..
im not so aware with handphone tech... but due to limitation.letsay it can only capture 20fps...so it will be no diffrent in seeing 60fps game and 20fps game thru handphone...
correct me if im wrong..
for above than 40fps, i agree with u.. hard to notify...but <25..its obvious
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QUOTE(reiben05 @ May 24 2009, 05:40 PM)
lol ceh no wonder, a typo... zzz coz my friend saw that on amazon also.. he asked me to search in the market in malaysia for HD4770 8x AGP model.. i think most hp's max 30 fps only liao =/ (MAX)!! ...
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but i heard there will be 4xxx series for agp...
for sure not 48xx and 4770... lower la.. bottleneck kaw2 if build 4800 series into agp then

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QUOTE(midnightproject @ May 25 2009, 12:07 AM)
wanna ask.4830 n 3870.which one get better perfomance..
i'm very noob about Ati gc  sweat.gif
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can i compare 4830 with 3850 top?
if can. u read..if u don want to know, leave it

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QUOTE(neutrino @ May 26 2009, 03:19 PM)
you can CF diff series of card ? i mean 4890+4830/4850 ? i thought you can only CF a same series of card.
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from what i know.. 48xx can be cf... 4xxx cant...
1st 2num must be same..so it falls on same category.. correct me if im wrong

exception on hybrid cf... 3300 pair with 3450 iirc...

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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ May 26 2009, 11:42 PM)
guys wanna ask a noob question
can HD 4770 plug with CRT monitor?
planning to get this b4 CF with 4890 later.
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can cf 4770 and 4890? cant la i guess...
use dvi vga adapder..can.

@pikacu..is there any 4850 gddr5? im just a slowpoke here...
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ May 27 2009, 11:53 AM)
Updates of the upcoming HD5XXX
SOURCE
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woot
even win7 not out yet.. then dx11 card will out almost at the same time with win7?
good... then hd4000 will go down....down down down...and there will be tons of 2nd hand hd4000 la...


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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 27 2009, 02:00 AM)
yeap..there is 4850 w/ gddr5..not sure about the price at here thou.

try search this tread about 4850 + gddr5 tongue.gif
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4850 gddr5 and 4870
is there any different btween then besides lower clock? i cant find any..

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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 27 2009, 01:26 PM)
hahahahaha laugh.gif
4850 gddr3 vs 4850 gddr5 differ kinda huge..go to fudzilla, they have review on gainward 4850 gddr5
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yep...quite high diff over there.. really like hell
i wud love to compare 4850 gddr3 512mb oc version with the gddr5 one...
thers only reference 4850, 4850 gs 1gb and the glh one..

since gc price drop sooo nice, if i pair 4830 with 4850 will it be any performance gain compared to 4830 and 4830?
i know the faster will wait for the slower...but is there any? if too little, it will be a waste...

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