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 Are you "working out" or or TRAINING?, By JOHN GARGANI of bodybuilding.com

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TSdarklight79
post Jun 2 2009, 01:27 PM, updated 17y ago

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By JOHN GARGANI of bb.com

We get so many threads on here where people list their various workout programs, or, where they complain that a certain bodypart is not growing and then list their current program and rep and set configurations......


fine.....but I love when people use expressions like: " I throw in a couple of sets of lateral raises", for example, and then wonder why their lateral delts are not growing.

or better yet, so clean and neat: " I do 3 sets of this, and 3 sets of that " etc., as If it were a homework assignment!

here is an interesting quote from WIKIPEDIA on Training:


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Training differs from exercise in that people may dabble in exercise as an occasional activity for fun. Training has specific goals of improving one's capability, capacity, and performance.



the first thing I highlighted was SPECIFIC GOALS: just what ARE your goals?? to get bigger, regardless of stronger, to get stronger, regardless of bigger, to get defined, regardless of size, to get bigger AND defined...etc......

I also highlighted CAPACITY: Training involves improving or increasing capacity.

meaning: if you are doing a neat little tidy program, where you "throw in " 3 sets of lateral raises, then what makes you think they are ever going to grow...

why should they??? what is the impetus, what is the forcing issue that makes the body WANT to prioritize them?


(please, keep in mind, that I am just using one muscle as an example)


So: with that in mind, why couldn't you do 5 sets, or 6 sets or whatever, in this case, of the lateral raises....or, why couldn't you do a pyramid styled workout similar to what you might do in benching.....

if you want a bigger chest, do you "throw in" 3 sets of benches for 8 sets each??? The guys who have built some really truly deep and big chests have POUNDED THE LIVING SHITE OUT OF THEM with benching, earlier on, or still now.....

what makes people think that only works for one particular exercise??

My point, and it just comes around to an old rant of mine, resurrected again, is that once you start thinking in terms of a regimented written down, cross off the list, check off the boxes approach to bodybuilding, you are already self limiting yourself, and holding yourself back....

if you are TRAINING, then you are out to also improve your capacity, and for one workout, or several workouts, that might mean simply doing more of something else....and why?? for no other reason than 3 sets might simply NOT be enough to stimulate a weak bodypart......


a variation of this is when people will come on here and say: " give me another exercise for lateral delts, because I already did 3 sets of those".....

but I say: If you are getting a GREAT mind muscle connection with that movement, why move on to anything else??? instead of trying something else, which may not really hit that bodypart as well FOR YOU, why not simply DO MORE of what is working well for your body......


but if you are going to say " but I have already done what I was SUPPOSED to do in the workout plan", then forget about it, because in that case, I would have to say F@#$ the plan and F@#$ the horse it rode in on!

NEVER LEAVE AN EXERCISE IF YOU ARE GETTING GREAT MIND MUSCLE CONNECTION FROM IT AND ARE DOING GREAT AND MEANINGFUL REPS!!


don't worry if you "Leave out" something else that was "planned"...so what??

what would you rather do, some meaningless and pointless exhausted sets of whatever, at the end of a workout, or more sets of a movement where YOU ARE COOKING??!!

never be a slave to a written routine.....your body will tell you, every workout, what the routine should be.....

if you are simply NOT connecting to a certain exercise on a given night, then by all means, don't beat a dead horse and move on, but conversely, don't leave it if you are grooving on it.....

and don't worry about doing more sets than you were supposed to at the end, because, as I said, if we are "TRAINING" we are looking to increase some sort of capacity somewhere along the line at all times.....


going back to the Wikipedia quote: don't "DABBLE"....don't do 3 sets of everything all neat and pretty....do what you HAVE TO DO to get the job done......improve your capability and capacity and performance....in a word: TRAIN!!!!!!

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 2 2009, 01:28 PM
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post Jun 2 2009, 01:40 PM

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thumbs up for this post. =.=
its all about the "FEEL" eh...
haha... noted. =.=
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post Jun 2 2009, 01:49 PM

More like "fatdog" amiright?
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Alternately, for the TL:DR crowd--"Do what works best for your needs."
metalfreak
post Jun 2 2009, 02:08 PM

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That is where the tshirt - STFU and Train comes into play.

And its so true...dont be a stone and stick to "oh..I'll do 3 sets of this then I'll rest and do the next workout"

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Gonna wear this to train on Weds =P oh tomorrow.

Thanks Darkie. really good info and opinions




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post Jun 2 2009, 05:06 PM

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darn..where u get that shirt?!..very nice!!
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post Jun 2 2009, 05:15 PM

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ideas from google. re-implement the design. custom printed. smile.gif
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post Jun 2 2009, 05:25 PM

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good info..................
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post Jun 5 2009, 10:50 AM

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thx TS...i know what i should focus on now...
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post Jun 5 2009, 01:07 PM

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I agree. I don't cap my reps. I train to failure (usually takes about 8-15 reps). Used to cap em but decided to do without a rep-limit since it's all about intensity and muscle hypertrophy.

I do, however, limit my sets to 3 per exercise.
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Jun 2 2009, 02:08 PM)
That is where the tshirt - STFU and Train  comes into play.

And its so true...dont be a stone and stick to "oh..I'll do 3 sets of this then I'll rest and do the next workout"

user posted image
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user posted image
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Gonna wear this to train on Weds =P oh tomorrow.

Thanks Darkie. really good info and opinions
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damn i love this!
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post Mar 21 2011, 11:11 AM

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nice 1 dark.
jus from u, i pretty much changed my mindset abt sets/reps.

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post Mar 21 2011, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(hsienhsien @ Mar 20 2011, 09:11 PM)
damn i love this!
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unless you are going for a body building competition.. its just working out... you can call it training if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside .. but if your are not putting yourself out there to be judged... well.. its syiok sendiri... tongue.gif
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post Mar 22 2011, 10:35 AM

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Instinctive training (and all those feel your own body/muscle thing) doesn't exactly make sense to noobs lah. If I just started training, and someone trainer start blurting all these things to me, I'd just go into brain seizure.
It's like asking a primary sch kid to think instinctively about geometry & algebra... they've got to start off with basic, repetitive stuff that the teacher has planned. Everyone started off crawling on the floor before we walked.

It would make a lot sense for trainees who've been training for quite some time, and are ready to move-on on their own. And there will always be a lot who never want to move-on on their own... (busy with work, priority with family, beers with buddies, getting better at other hobbies, etc).

(I gotta keep reminding myself of this.)

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Mar 22 2011, 10:48 AM

 

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