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Malefic
post May 31 2009, 08:03 AM

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Regarding syndicate manipulation of stock prices, my remisier mentioned a stockbroking company that supposely has deep links with the syndicates. Darn it, I must open a trading account there and see if I could get some insider info (provided I get the right remisier-lah). Can't beat the sharks, might as well try to benefit from them ... although I'll probably get eaten up.


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post May 31 2009, 10:42 PM

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I'm not sure if Bursa and Dow Jones will be red or green the coming week.

One thing I've learned is that things never turn out the way we expected.

Come what may, I'm prepared. I have 100% of my bullets and my balls are made of steel tongue.gif


Added on May 31, 2009, 10:45 pm
QUOTE(chyaw @ May 31 2009, 08:09 AM)
Mind to tell us which stockbroking company? We can goreng the counter! rclxms.gif
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I'm sorry, but naming the company might get LYN sued. Best if you ask your remisier wink.gif

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post Jun 3 2009, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 3 2009, 05:06 PM)
I keep reading "buy on dips and sell on rally". Sounds simple right? And I thought I understand this too and that I can put this to use anytime I want to. But thinking deeper, I started to ask myself, what is a dip, and what is a rally? Is KLCI - 0.05% a dip? Or does it take more than -2%? Is +1% considered a rally?
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That's why I prefer the term "buy low, sell high" .


Added on June 3, 2009, 6:47 pm
QUOTE(omores @ Jun 3 2009, 04:56 PM)
Everyone, its time to be a bit more prudent in your buying. The correction has come as predicted.

Probably will drop more tomorrow as the LondonEx is down like nuts, Dow future is down -40, HSI is giving up most of its gains today up only 187 (when the days high is 540). FKLI is down a lot a lot. (was good day for me as I managed to short some for RM3k profit, not to mention I've consolidated my portfolio to more reits and long term fundamental stocks)

Tomorrow might have sales, and the next day megasales. Hope you guys haven't used up all bullets by now.
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No wonder all the REITs I'm eyeing are up when I checked at 2.30pm. A big shark has been buying shocking.gif


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post Jun 4 2009, 08:24 PM

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I started out as a hardcore fundamentalist. But been having doubts and loss of faith since May. Maybe the buy-and-sell-quick fella have the right strategy after all. All the books by the value-investing "experts" didn't take into account 24/7 money-printing, stimulus, propaganda to talk up the market, EPF, ValueCap and the various funds.

Tempted to throw RM200k into TA-WB. Get rich or die trying, hahaha.

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post Jun 4 2009, 08:49 PM

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Guess I better share since omores is sharing.

Started buying stocks a few months back with RM300k. Bought and later sold IOI and Genting, made RM100k.

Then I made a severe miscalculation. Thought the "Great Recession" will last much longer and price will go much lower.

So used RM200k to buy a property at slightly below market price. Was distracted and did not monitor stock market regularly. Was unaware when stock market hit bottom in March.

Thought there's be more downside, and thus missed the rally.

Has been doh.gif every day since.

Excuse me while I brood (I don't cry) over the great profit I lost. If I had played my cards exactly right, I could have RM1 million net worth by now. But then, I'm only human.

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post Jun 4 2009, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(omores @ Jun 4 2009, 08:53 PM)
Damn... I could have gained profits of 63k.


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If you made 100k from being a fundamentalist back then, why did you want to do short term goreng stocks and dump 200k in TA-WB now? Might as well pass me your money, I give you my TA shares and 1 year supply of Toilet Paper.
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I was joking to vent my frustration-lah tongue.gif I definitely won't risk my hard-earned RM200k on TA-WB.
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post Jun 4 2009, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(omores @ Jun 4 2009, 09:04 PM)
Hahaha. smile.gif Wouldn't you like one year supply of Toilet Paper?  rclxms.gif  Seems like a lot of people did q-ing for TA-WB. LOLOL.  biggrin.gif
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I'll accept the one year supply of toilet paper, if it's FREE. I'll PM you my address if your offer stands tongue.gif

However, I won't hentam people who buy TA-WB ... high risk, possibly high gain.

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post Jun 4 2009, 09:23 PM

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omores,


The long term fundamental shares you are buying right now ... don't you think the price is on the high side? Even if the price goes up in the long term, your gains could be limited. I've 25 companies on my watchlist ... and IMHO, only 5 are worth buying at current prices.

If I have to wait for a correction, I'll wait. I'm pretty sure there'll be chaos less than 4 years from now, after the 13th general erection.

I'm thinking of investing in Singapore stocks, always have affinity for KiasuLand. Won't go near China or HK, too many sharks there.
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post Jun 4 2009, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(omores @ Jun 4 2009, 09:49 PM)
There might be a correction, but I doubt we are talking 900s, much less lows of 750. At most, it will be KLCI @ 1000. I'm looking at relatively low beta shares in bursa now, to avoid goreng-ed counters. Some admittedly are reflecting much higher prices than it was a month ago, but that's because their sectors have seen improvements, so I give the counters that much allowance. I can't wait for 1 year for a correction, I'm not working so this is my salary. I'm not allowed to touch my investment capital (by myself). Every month my savings will be amply reduced by my expenses, if I choose to wait and see. Much less wait 4 years  shocking.gif . Of course, I still have some investment cash left in case I need to average down.

Why am I choosing China as well? Sure there are sharks, there might even be more 'creative' accounting issues there than here in bursa. But I see real greenshots there, I have huge faith in China's government doing the right thing to move their economies forward. It will, no doubt in my mind, be the economic powerhouse that everyone talks about soon. I've lived in China and I've seen how a really developing city and country really feels like. When I returned to KL, if feels like I've returned to a stagnant city of past glory, that's 20 years behind Shanghai or Beijing.

If you follow China's news, China's economic policies to the recession are well thought of, some of them are really helping businesses to survive and grow, foreign or non foreign, small or large. Unlike our stimulus policies, or US's (sorry obama) or any other government's implementation. SGX probably is also a trustworthy government that would tend to their economy fast. If you are worried of investing in local companies in China, maybe you can wait a while till 100% foreign companies in china are listed in the SSC, as the China government have already started devising policies to allow that. Hey, maybe GM's china operations would be listed. That would be an interesting investment proposition. tongue.gif
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Why not be a salaried dealer's representative? That way, you get paid whether the market is up or down, while doing something you obviously enjoy. I heard ECM Libra is hiring.

May I know how much is your investment capital? It's ok if you prefer to keep it secret.

I've seen local businessmen who went to China and got badly burned. There's the corporate governance issues, corruption, overreliance on guanxi, etc etc But yes, I'll consider investing in 100% foreign-owned companies listed in the SSC. Or I'll just buy capital guarantteed China funds.

Nonetheless, at least 90% of my money will be invested in Bolehsia and Sillypore smile.gif

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post Jun 5 2009, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(omores @ Jun 5 2009, 01:45 AM)
I don't have the technical skills and I don't think I can handle the burden of handling other people's money. I'd feel guilty and bad if losing their money! I'd rather enjoy my own investments, profit or loss without that added stress. tongue.gif 

Yes, a lot of businessmen got badly burned. But there are also some who made their fortunes there. Same as anyplace in South East Asia, a different culture can be difficult for a foreigner, red tape and corruption. Are there capital guaranteed funds for China? That could be a good investment instead of investing yourself. My china fund was not guaranteed and I lost quite a lot in my China fund (bought in late 2007) due to greed (it went up 25% in 1 month and didn't redeem), then dropped steadily till losing 40% of investment amount. But I held on, averaged down and now its a few cents away from breakeven!  rclxms.gif My capital is RM300k, can be topped up to RM400k. But now that I've lost heart in KLSE, I'm just going to restrict to RM200k-250k max, with the rest in overseas trading.
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Good for you thumbup.gif

I'm not sure if there are capital guaranteed funds for China, capital guaranteed funds with some exposure to China got-lah.

Anyway, I'm not in favour of putting my eggs in too many baskets. Two is enough for me: stocks and property, in Malaysia and Singapore. IMHO, over-diversification will make a person a jack (or jill) of all trades, master of none.

Besides, I consider fund managers no better than the rest of us wink.gif

Will consider investment in funds only when I have a lot more eggs ... such as a seven figure investment capital ... and even then, only a small amount will be in funds

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