KUALA LUMPUR 26 Mei - Proton Holdings Bhd. (Proton) yakin jualan kenderaan pelbagai gunanya (MPV) Proton Exora tidak akan terjejas sekiranya syarikat pesaing, Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn. Bhd. (Perodua) mengeluarkan MPV selewat-lewatnya akhir tahun ini.

Pengarah Urusannya, Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Tahir berkata, Malaysia mempunyai pasaran terbuka dan menawarkan persaingan yang sengit untuk semua pengeluar kenderaan sama ada tempatan atau antarabangsa.

Beliau berkata, pihaknya tidak berasa bimbang mengenai persaingan yang wujud berikutan setiap pengeluar kenderaan di negara ini mempunyai pasaran khusus masing-masing.

"Selain Perodua, kami turut bersaing dengan syarikat pengeluar kenderaan antarabangsa yang lain dan ia tidak perlu dibimbangkan.

"Kami boleh merancang dan persaingan berkenaan akan memberi rangsangan dan galakkan kepada satu sama lain," katanya.

Buat masa ini, Syed Zainal Abidin berkata, pihaknya hanya memberi fokus kepada pengeluaran Proton Exora yang menerima tempahan yang menggalakkan setakat ini.

Jelasnya, Proton bukan sekadar mengeluarkan kereta berdasarkan pasaran domestik semata-mata sebaliknya pasaran di luar negara.

"Kalau kita keluarkan pasaran domestik sahaja, ia akan memberi nahas kepada kami dalam industri.

"Sebagai salah satu langkah perkembangan perniagaan, Julai ini kita akan lancarkan Proton Exora di Thailand dan negara-negara Asia Barat," katanya.

Ketika ditanya mengenai enjin turbo yang akan diperkenalkan dalam kenderaan Proton Exora, Syed Zainal Abidin memberitahu, ia akan dilakukan pada tahun depan.

Beliau memberitahu, tidak dinafikan bahawa enjin turbo adalah sebahagian daripada pembangunan teknologi enjin Proton.

"Kami mengeluarkan enjin turbo untuk Proton Exora bagi pasaran khusus dan menyasarkan pasaran global. Ini bererti, kalau ada golongan yang memerlukan kenderaan yang berkuasa, turbo adalah penyelesaiannya," ujarnya.

Syed Zainal Abidin memberitahu, Proton akan mengeluarkan kenderaan penumpang hasil kerjasama Mitsubishi Motors Corp of Japan (Mitsubishi) berkeupayaan 1.6 liter pada suku kedua tahun depan.

Katanya, kerjasama dengan Mitsubishi adalah dalam bentuk komponen kenderaan.

"Kita mementingkan produk yang memenuhi cita rasa rakyat," ujarnya.[/QUOTE]


from today's Utusan.


Wow.. got turbo version of Proton exora.. wonder what figure of torque and BHP it will produce..

for local or for export purpose ?

should implement turbo on satria neo 1st.... why do turbo on exora?

maybe for export purposes. bcoz people from other country especially in middle east country really need the powerful engine on their vehicle bcoz...their size are BIG!! haha..

can launch 1.8 or 2.0 also mah... something like saga BLM have 1.6...

unless proton no enough skills to build bigger engine?

Well, about time really.

On the Exora, I guess Proton has 2 selections. Do a 1.8-2/0 car OR do a turbo version. Well, I guess the turbo version is cheaper.

yeah.. the turbo option is cheaper. I don't know why Proton still not produce 1.8 or 2.0 engine, as they are able to make 1.3 and 1.6. emm..maybe still under research?

Its simply not economical to develop several engine with different displacement.

Hot running Campro + hot bolt-on turbo option = very hot engine...

i dont believe proton does any research la.

the proton sagas they selling is exactly the same as 20 years ago wan.

sounds like caldina in making .........

caldina GT-4

This post has been edited by serigala: May 27 2009, 08:27 AM

more torque and hp for people mover maa... neo utk couple je...

hmm.. most probably it'll end up in export market.

why make a 1.8/2.0 when a turbo 1.6 has more torque then a 2.0 litre car?


better then some photocopy machine...


saga blm have 1.6 because they already have a 1.6 campro engine what


exactly the same?
wow


where have u been hiding la?

"Kami mengeluarkan enjin turbo untuk Proton Exora bagi pasaran khusus dan menyasarkan pasaran global. Ini bererti, kalau ada golongan yang memerlukan kenderaan yang berkuasa, turbo adalah penyelesaiannya," ujarnya.


i believe malaysia also got. may be like Exora SE/GT lol but price sure RM 80k above

The NAME.

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Added on May 27, 2009, 9:46 amMaybe because the power is not adequate for 'big' European people and also driving in snow.

This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 27 2009, 09:46 AM

i am more interested in this. Will this be the Lancer rebadged as rumoured ? Scalled down engine isee 1.6 ..lol

I thought that their deal with Mitsu has ended.

double post sorry...

This post has been edited by michael9413: May 27 2009, 09:57 AM

It is on and off all the way like how couples argue lol.

turbo means drink more petrol....haha...
but how about the Exhaust emission???

i think puttin on a turbo on the campro cps is a good move.. n besides, the tubo on the exora is not meant 2 be 4 absolute horse power gains, i think its more 2wards improving torque n usability on the engine 4 the exora, as we all know theres a lot of complaints bout the exora being underpowered.. so i think this is proton's solution 4 that prob..

besides, its the trend these days 4 car manufacturers.. using small displacement engines but wit forced induction that have the same if not better power output than conventional larger displacement ones.. its especially a big advantage 4 our country where our roadtax is determined by our engine displacement.. so wit this, we get more power, but pay the same roadtax.. so y the complaint???

This post has been edited by CooShyRee: May 27 2009, 09:55 AM

I agree with that. emm. I think Proton will implement the light pressure turbo, not juz like the turbo in Evo. hmm..sure cannot wait to see the turbocharged Campro CPS engine..

id say get rid of all the normal campro engines n replace em wit cps on the persona, gen2 n saga.. n then for proton's more expensive cars like the exora n the upcoming waja replacement, use this new campro cps turbo instead..

ok, so which one is the female ?

but turbo charged engine incurred higher cost that not everyone would interested for such powered engine
n not guarantee the turbo charged cps engine will hav lower FC also

i wonder what spec would proton turbo engine use
normal internal wif BOT kit n run wif a different map in ecu?
turbo size small like L2? boost 0.4bar?

Well i am not sure bout that. IMO P1? younger, pampered by parents(G).

simply because the exora has not much power to lug 7 passengers + luggage up genting or camerons....

when exora comes with 1.6 cps..ppl say underpowered. when proton tells us bout campro turbo now ppl say higher cost la..higher fc la ...hot engine

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 10:34 AM

I wonder when can we see V8 engines in Proton cars?

dude.. bear in mind that turbocharging the current engine will be an expensive development, as im sure the current campro cps engine have 2 be revised wit strengthening the internal parts n also revising the ecu.. but then again, force inducting the current engine will be cheaper than making a new bigger engine, rite??

FC will definitely be more, theres no doubt bout that.. but if u want more power, sumthin's gotta give, rite?? u cant expect same FC but want more power?? dont think it'll be a big increase too, as im sure sure its some low pressure turbo only..

hahahahahaha love ya statement there dude.. agree a hunderd n one percent!!

wah this proton fella damn aksyen la. if government no longer protect local car manufacturer and level the playing ground, proton sudah mati la cause toyotas and hondas will be at almost the same price levels.

cakap besar saja.

Haha, all they want is a 3.0 engine with a turbo super charger that the FC is like a Kancil.

just what the exora needs... a forced induction engine.

the one who talk at the press is not the one who goyang kaki.. he's the one who build up proton's image currently..

lets c if hes the man with word..

PROTON, that's a GOOD MOVE

to overcome the minus-points of campro, light pressure boost might help.

if proton do have this tech, later they can improve more.
if proton improves, consumer is the one who gain the most!

1.6liter + FI is ok for basic commute.
3.0liter is ok for adrenalin junkies.

an ant's view
Malaysian is capable of making a force induction engine.

a giraffe's view
Malaysian can do what other do.

an eagle's view
I can recognise Malaysia from here, high above!

i believe with LPT fuel consumption would be like a normal 1.8 with the power it needs.

good move from proton!
I guess campro engine are now matured.

this will make proton to be competitive with other car makers, IF proton having SAME / BETTER QC with other car makers.
First n foremost, they should improve / implement sound proof.

if its cps+turbo. then its good

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 01:54 PM

so i guess the new Waja will be based on older generation Lancer..
If they have Exora CPS Turbo, surely they will introduce Satria Neo GTI Turbo as well..

and for some of u who asked about bigger displacement engine from Proton, they will source/collaborate with Petronas, 1.8L to 2.2L E01 family engine.

really?? i thought that idea was scrapped??

I thought that proton rejected previous petronas engine design bcos expensive to build manufaturing plant?Anyways Petronas make rnd on engine is it?or they take from other car manufacutrer 1..Also heard actualy the turbo is RnD with Lotus uk..

i think it will out somewhere in half year 2010

so i'll cross my finger and wait till 2010 Q3, hopefully new engine and Lancer rebadge will emerge.

not anymore. it was in 2006 they sign moi. both proton / petronas develop practical engine based on e01

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 04:07 PM

To save cost, maybe they will turbocharged the non-CPS since LPT can solve the torque dips at low rpm while the high rpm power is already quite good. And to turbocharged an engine with 'stages' like CPS (also VTEC and MIVEC) is not easy.

hopefully

anyway whats the benefit of having both cps and turbo?

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 04:31 PM

1.6 CPS turbocharged eh.....

Well, you can roughly guess the figures already within the Malaysian community with BOT Campro 1.6s

You will get the best of both world, high and low. LPT would solve the low-mid torque (boosts pickup) while CPS boost the mid-high torque giving you a steady climb to max speed. Theorically it is same as Mivec Turbo from Evo lol.

POWARRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

..................."TURBO SPOOLING PLEASE STANDBY"

I am amazed proton can actually introduce turbo into an engine with variable valve timing.It took BMW engineer the second try on their N-series turbo engine to mate both the Valvetronic technology with turbo on the newly released N55-turbo.Apparently its not cost effective to introduce both tech into the engine since the pumping loss from the exhaust valve can be conpensated by the higher pressured air being pumped into engine.

This post has been edited by 779364: May 27 2009, 05:43 PM

please dont misunderstand the last posts. we dont now yet. im just asking whats the benefit of having both.

still im also hoping proton could come up with cps turbo.

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 05:43 PM

I wasnt refering to ur post.I just gave my thoughts on this.Since Exora wont be sold in high volume,the cost benefit does not justify turbocharging the CPS.So I think they will turbo the Non-CPS Campro.

Maybe they will do it on the non CPS as starters and apply it to Exora while continue on the CPS and if suceeds, maybe Satria Neo will be first to receive CPS turbo.

from my reading here in the net/forum:
q4 2010 campro turbo
q2 2010 waja rep model
there are 1.8 & 2.0 (campro?), but not yet commercially available.

sigh..
when DSZ enters the web, less posts can be found from si-fu & 460...

Will Keep His Word Will Not Buy Exora Now. Lets Hope Its A BOT.

The Campro Turbo will be based on the regular Campro, not the Campro CPS.

BMW engineers found difficulty adding Valvetronic to the original N54 turbo not because of the turbocharger, but because of direct injection. This is why even the N53 direct injection non-turbo engines do not have Valvetronic. Even on the new MINI Cooper engine, the Cooper normally aspirated engine has Valvetronic but the Cooper S turbo engine adds direct injection and Valvetronic was removed.

Here is an imagination.

Imagine the Proton Exora, with turbo, zooms passes you with a "VROOO...PSSST"...sound...

How would u imagine that to be?

wasnt the E01 design and manufacturing rights sold to some china car company? i wept for the powerhouse when i read that on paultan's site a couple of years back.

in an LPT there is virtually no spooling lag. of course, as a tradeoff, boost isn't high, circa 0.3 to 0.5 bar stock.

proton should learn how to walk 1st then only run ...

which means they should implement 1.8 /2.0 engine before they bolt on the turbo on those engine..

just like airtrek & caldina ... both are 2.0 turbo ... not some god damn 1.6 BOT..

it doesnt matter which one first anyway
its cheaper and faster to gain performance. like golf gti

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 07:12 PM

how can a 1.6 turbo performance compare to Golf GTI performance?!

sorry i meant like those with small 1.4 with TSI. GT version not GTI sorry

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 07:16 PM

If they still trying to walk, how can they compete with other car makers....

or perhaps polo GTI , but is it totally different story.. coz polo and exora both diff classes...

other car makers had already gone thru those process only they reach this level , if proton don't follow the sequence how can they recognize by the world?

This post has been edited by AiRBooM: May 27 2009, 07:42 PM

the problem is..people think proton move too slow.
they come out CPS after so many years after campro.
they kana trash like hell bash like hell, spit like hell.
now atleast the come out a fast solution and if they put on CPS engine. it would be great.
if they develop 1.8 2.0 will take years to finish. logically and economically its will drag proton's sale to success even longer.
develop 1.8 and 2.0 engine not few months job like developing a car my fren.

Lotus doesnt develop any engine but still recognized by the world.

proton turbo? my ass!

haha marah nampak bang. anti proton ke

I thought Turbo requires more maintenance? (I dunno ah, I heard only)

I hope they'll put turbos on other of their cars as well, Persona + CPS + Turbo would be the best!

lol...why so sensitive.


yea Persona CPS +turbo... nice

idok le. dr dulu teman dok nunggu version forced induction. sampai lani idok juge kuor.. last last main kcar tebo je.

You know? International car manufacturer fits turbo spec for their sport car model or models built for speed, Malaysia had to choose an MPV? Damn dunggu.

Because the MPV is underpowered ma.

xpe main kcar terbo lepas ni leh main campro turbo pulak

Then they should design a 1.8 and above cc engine, not fit a turbo and say "problem solved".

mmg tak r kan. sbb kcar 660 cc pon skang 2xx hp dah on wheel...

RnD monies already spent in CPS , but from this standpoint, not bad a solution, considering that they are still lacking of a gearbox to fit their campro engines!!!
have you seen the mounting between the mitsu gearbox and the campro block?
adapter plate FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

Like the forumers here say, cost effective purpose.

why not go for turbo?? now its trend for car manufacture hv small cc but put turbo so it eq. power with bigger cc engine

sorry la bro..more turbo more saman...the why police wont allow turbo charged on road...the rules must e longgar abit la.then only can.

If proton exora turbo can,then mivec turbo also can..

actually Proton had developed their own 2.2 and 3.0 litre engine. It built with help of lotus and it is a V6. You might have seen it if you were at the proton technology week last year. it is equiped with VVT for those who are into variable timing.
I had ask the engineer that time and they said all the design are testing had been done but they need to freez it because limited budget. Our market are more into small engine with good fuel efficiency.

Some comments make me wonder

Now they offer you turbo complete R&D stock from factory complete with warranty coverage, want or don't want? want means just wait and see, don't want means no need bising, still plenty n/a out there

your reasoning is baseless. no turbos on the road? = no scoobys, no evos, no skylines, supras, golf GTis, no GSRs in putra/wira/saga/satria. heck, waja can convert to evo, what's a bolt-on soft turbo mod from the factory?

+1

By putting in a Turbo, it's still a 1.6L.
So roadtax is RM90 mah.
Much more attractive compared to RM300+ for 2L engine.

mostly proton basher are like that.
when the CPS is not powerfull enough, they want 2.0 engine. Give 2.0 engine then complain minyak kuat anbd expensive road tax. give LPT campro also complain it plain stupid. 1.6 LPT is comparable with 2.0 engine torque and hp with the same type FC but with cheaper roadtax.

ideal car for this pandai people. Buat MPV sendiri.
spec. engine 2.0, fc=viva or kancil, powderfull= Nissan GTR kind of power, handling= lotus elise, badge= TOYOTA (or japan mari),price= tata nano.

on more real-world estimates, probably about 1.8 comparision la
torque figures are important, not that the CPS engine has no torque, it's not enough in a mpv. FC should be comparable or even better than the current exoras, since the LPT kicks in early, no need to rev higher....

not to bash about the spec of the engine. i salute that matter. but the matter 'when' they gonna start selling of turbo-ed unit is just a question. keep ppl waiting. it been ages rumors that proton wanna came out with force induction car. till now. nothing.

since the kleeman waja hor....

im ok with the spec. but the question is 'WHEN' hahaha. my gti 1.8 turbo stock from factory never turn up till now. even normal GTI already end it production . kah khak hah..

add in force induction it either torque or hp. if my memory serve me right the waja campro turbo displayed during the technology week has 170 hp and could be set up to 210 hp. or it could be revised to increased the torque and sacrificing hp. average 2.0 engine output is between 140 hp to 150hp.
if proton put in the lotus made v6 engine 2.2 liter with 200hp on tap, how many will buy it? how much are customer willing to pay? 90k?

i saw a proton gen2 campro supercharge dyno is 17x PS on the wheel in one of the car magazine

thinking by tht time got proton got proton motorsport RND bot-ed GTI.. and 'waiting' Proton Edar to launch the model. ekeke.. but only the BOT kit appear costing rm7k ...hehe mana mau fork out cash 7k. hehehe...that time gsr93t only cost less than that. hahaha.

also campro turbo is not new, there are a few out there already, and not sloppy output, but the problem is reliability and the tidyness of the work, refinement, this is where an OEM turbo is miles ahead of aftermarket BOTs.

Lancer Evolution 10 is officially sold in Malaysia

Triton, D-Max, Ranger, Hilux, also with turbo, and sold in Malaysia

Subaru Impreza, sold in Malaysia

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Added on May 27, 2009, 10:40 pmMalaysian psyche

This post has been edited by Kampung2005: May 27 2009, 10:40 PM

In case it escapes you, there are many Malaysians who can afford to buy car priced over 90k. Where have you been living? In Kamunting?

yeah then ppl say, pay 100k for proton car? not worth it. why not pay 70-80k and get a vios? and add few thousand u can get vios trd edition

This post has been edited by xshiro: May 27 2009, 10:55 PM