Depends on starting gold. If starting gold is low, then intel hero. If it's high, perhaps Agi hero.


Troll and FV, we won't know who would win yet. Depends on personal skill, both have equal chance to win if both farm quite equally. Blind is only 42% miss. If the FV is smart, he will stay far away and use skill 1 to fly in and ulti, then you can't blind him.

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Basher NO LONGER STACKED

BKB is useless against time stop and bash...

As far as i remember, some of the skills ignore everything, like time stop, black hole...
Not sure about repel (never actually tried), but i think it also ignore by time stop.

I has never tried on repel at all. So i can't really answer it. But I am sure it works on BKB.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 11:52 amYour calculation is wrong.

Evasion is not like bash or critical. Evasion DO NOT STACK at all. It will only take the highest one. And base on the latest map, bash also doesn't stack.


Troll blind only need very low mana, it's more like a battle of who hit first. On top of that, it very much depends on item. Radiance, butterfly is not always the best items out there. It would depends on the opponent item.

As you said, given unlimited money, I would say Lina with Refresher Orb, Max Dagon, Scepter, Guinsoo, and perhaps boot of travel, and a lothar or dagger would easily kill any of the troll or pa. Even if they get BKB, it's easy to run away with lothar or dagger when they BKB, and come back to spam all the spells. After spell reduction and stuff, at least 3000 damage. I don't think they can get anywhere near this amount of life.


This post has been edited by shadow_0: Jun 3 2009, 11:52 AM

It very much depends on your playstyle...

Sand King - Normally Battlefury, BKB, then health item or dagger??? Some player would play damage item also...
Nerubian - Battlefury? Damage Item? Dagon?
Twin head dragon - Linken? Shiva guard? Guinsoo?

Hm... I have mentioned that...

"Even if they get BKB, it's easy to run away with lothar or dagger when they BKB, and come back to spam all the spells. After spell reduction and stuff, at least 3000 damage. I don't think they can get anywhere near this amount of life."

After all, it's all depends on player skill. if lina is fast enough, she can chain stun and you got no time to bkb

Well, after all, it's the matter of player skills...

Everything is always what if...
After all, it's all depends on player skill...

However for your case, Necro can die many times, but jugg die one time = end, 5 rapier drop. So the chance that you can survive with a equally skill player... is rare...

Hm.. I don't really see a problem with bane to win viper if the bane knows how to play...

Just a sample...
Say bane get Necro book, guinsoo, refresher orb should be able to kill viper easily, double ulti, hex, combine with the necro minion mana burn.

Of course sure can counter one... just one sample...

After all, it's player skill that matters...

Then just make it simpler... If both also no item, no way viper can kill bane alone...

Well, bane can absorb viper hp and sleep. Bane might not be able to kill viper, but viper definitely not able to kill bane.

if go by push game, with 875 gold at the beginning, i think keeper of light or furion would be a good pushing hero.

Keeper can pressure the enemy like hell without have to worry mana. And furion can summon so many "ma zai" to push.

Another one could be broodmother, early game can invi and use skill 1 to push (consider only mid lah).

If the other player is good as well, i think intelligent hero can kill the hero easily, ignoring the bear...
It's expensive to buy stuff to both the hero and the bear, the opponent can get a lot better items that you if you want to equip both the bear and the hero (say 2pt, one for hero, one for bear, while enemy can have one pt and something else).

On top of that, there are a lot of way to counter the bear, like disable the bear then focus on the hero... or for hero like lich would be happy to fight you and the bear together and so on....

As compare to lion, i think lina is better...

Slark so low hp and easy to counter. Any spell hero can kill him easily.