Venomancer

Troll cannot buy BKB?

axe is the best. it all is not la, its depend how u play the hero. even if the strong hero if u cant handle it. its hard.

The best 1v1 hero is wait 4 ur opponent pick 1st then u pick a hero to counter back his hero.

Viper in hands of good player beats every1

troll or sniper

BKB is useless against time stop and bash...

there is no best hero... it depens on how u play and what ur opponet is using.. hehehehe

counter attack ma.. heheee

How about Omniknight's repel?

not this kind of topic again?

depends on ur skill la dude

lol

there's always this hero counter tat hero..

no such thing as best hero la

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can't blif still got ppl start this kind of thread

lol

As far as i remember, some of the skills ignore everything, like time stop, black hole...
Not sure about repel (never actually tried), but i think it also ignore by time stop.

Actually I've used Faceless Void before but I couldn't ulti because one of their team mate had repel. However I'm not sure if this has changed in newer version of maps (6.59c, 6.59d)

Given that money is unlimited and level is max out...

Phantom Assassin (Mortred) with MantaStyle (mana suck) + VladimirOffering (life steal) + Butterfly + ... basically pwn every hero if 1v1.

The passive evasion from skill + butterfly + radiance (if avail) is more than enough to nullify FV time stop advantage (more than half of the time miss miss miss), plus having mana suck is enough to disable Troll (Jahrakal) active-casting blind later on.

Don't forget the 4x critical.



Well, anyway, Troll mortal enemy is PA, so they should be roughly equal.



p/s:
Item: butterfly + radiance for both characters:
PA passive miss = 1 - (1 - 0.3)(1 - 0.3)(1 - 0.08) = 0.5492 ~ 55% chance evasion

Troll passive miss = 1 - (1 - 0.3)(1 - 0.08) = 0.356 ~ 36% chance evasion
Troll passive miss + blind = 1 - (1 - 0.3)(1 - 0.08)(1 - 0.42) = 0.62648 ~ 63% chance evasion





This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 3 2009, 09:46 AM

I don't think PA can beat Troll assuming if Troll also have strong items.

I has never tried on repel at all. So i can't really answer it. But I am sure it works on BKB.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 11:52 amYour calculation is wrong.

Evasion is not like bash or critical. Evasion DO NOT STACK at all. It will only take the highest one. And base on the latest map, bash also doesn't stack.


Troll blind only need very low mana, it's more like a battle of who hit first. On top of that, it very much depends on item. Radiance, butterfly is not always the best items out there. It would depends on the opponent item.

As you said, given unlimited money, I would say Lina with Refresher Orb, Max Dagon, Scepter, Guinsoo, and perhaps boot of travel, and a lothar or dagger would easily kill any of the troll or pa. Even if they get BKB, it's easy to run away with lothar or dagger when they BKB, and come back to spam all the spells. After spell reduction and stuff, at least 3000 damage. I don't think they can get anywhere near this amount of life.


This post has been edited by shadow_0: Jun 3 2009, 11:52 AM

So evasion don't stack... hmm... All I thought only bash doesn't stack.

Bro, newbie here, may anyone suggest me the hero that is nice? Because i just starting playing dota, the hero i usually use is only sandking, nerubian, and twin head dragon, may i know what item should be bought for these 3 hero? I only know buy battle fury, travel boots, dagon for them, can any one suggest any item to me to use on these 3 hero?

Thanks a lot for teaching.

It very much depends on your playstyle...

Sand King - Normally Battlefury, BKB, then health item or dagger??? Some player would play damage item also...
Nerubian - Battlefury? Damage Item? Dagon?
Twin head dragon - Linken? Shiva guard? Guinsoo?

I dun think so...If troll or PA buy a BKB then Lina skill already no use...The best hero is still the hero that counter ur opponent's hero.

Hm... I have mentioned that...

"Even if they get BKB, it's easy to run away with lothar or dagger when they BKB, and come back to spam all the spells. After spell reduction and stuff, at least 3000 damage. I don't think they can get anywhere near this amount of life."

After all, it's all depends on player skill. if lina is fast enough, she can chain stun and you got no time to bkb

Well, after all, it's the matter of player skills...