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rainpocky
post May 21 2009, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ May 21 2009, 11:24 AM)
i am currently doing some feasibility study on moving to Toronto  laugh.gif
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It takes some time to migrate to Canada, almost 1.5 - 2 years for the process along with do you get past the points issue. There will be medical checks, and you need an invitation as well, along with the testing scheme. Its got a basis of you must get at least 70+ point to qualify, usually some people older don't reach 70 but qualify on their experience education as well. My Uncle and his family just migrated over to Canada last year. But the process took over 1.5 years. He considered himself lucky.

QUOTE(erictham @ May 21 2009, 12:03 PM)
Did you go through some kind of agency that makes the arrangement on your behalf?
Or did you figure the whole thing out yourself? How long was the whole process?
Hehe... sorry so many questions  tongue.gif
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For the US you can go thru some agency, costs are between 10-20k USD. Depending on who does it from which state and which part of the US you want to migrate to.

QUOTE(9enester @ May 21 2009, 01:36 PM)
"Migrating" to the US is not as simple as it sounds. The US is indeed a land of opportunity for many but they also have one of the strictest and conservative visa requirements.

H1-B is a working visa that allows skilled workers to work in the US. However, this highly competitive visa is sort after by many candidates each year (although 2009 was not filled). This visa needs to be applied by your employer, meaning you can only get this visa if you already have a job, and of course your employer is willing to file it for you.

Green card actually requires you to be staying in the US for a certain amount of time and is not the typical route one will take to work in the US.

Of course there is lottery as well, but that's a whole new story.
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Working Visa is heavily competitive, and also you need an employer. With the current situation of recession in the US, it will be damned difficult for you to get thru it and get in. Green Card is worse, with the new laws in the US, its quite hard to get one now adays unless you marry someone. But even marrying someone there are quite strict guidelines as people do that very often as well.

QUOTE(chrishung @ May 21 2009, 02:26 PM)
The easiest way would be to get a close American relative to sponsor you.

Or enter as a student then look for a job there.

Or migrate to Canada/Mexico first. NAFTA agreement makes it easier for citizens of these two countries to enter US.

I'm not too sure on this one, but I believe that if you own a property in the US it's easier to get a migrant visa. Anyone able to confirm this?

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Oh yeah, I forgot about another easy method. Marry an American!
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Sponsorship makes the process move faster, but its not exactly easy because of the CAnadians/Americans selling their status to China to marry a girl for 30k USD for 2-3 years to get a Green card or Canadian passport. They've really cracked down on that alot now.

QUOTE(robertngo @ May 21 2009, 04:00 PM)
came together we migrate to Toronto, since 50% of people there is foreign born this is a good place for new comer. and seen like American also always threaten to move to canada when they see something no good about US  laugh.gif
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I currently heard from friends in IT in Toronto, literally 1000s of jobs got chopped, so its quite cutthroat looking for a job for the moment.

QUOTE(robertngo @ May 21 2009, 04:29 PM)
try to find a job first, i uploaded resume on canada job site to test how hard it is for me to secure a job. also need research on rent, transport, food cost, tax, visa requirement.

try workopolis and monster.ca to see what job is available and payscale to see how much is the market rate, go to thestar.com to check on rent ...

workopolis is a good job site even got a boss button  laugh.gif

the perfect scenario will be a company will hire me and help me to get work visa, them after that i can apply for PR, maybe need to get my uncle to sponsor me on that application also.
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I wish you the best of luck getting that perfect scenario.

QUOTE(oumind @ May 21 2009, 05:19 PM)
Based on my understanding, US employers will fire H1B visa workers first.

If you are betting on H1B visa, you have to 'hope' for xxxx bubble, e.g.  NASDAQ/property bubble II :-)

Since US social security is going to bankrupt in near future,  in the next few years, I guess US government will turn the current US visa lottery (free) to US biz visa lottery, e.g. you have 1 million USD, you are in :-)
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This is 100% true, I have heard this so many times, H1B visa workers are the first to go before any US citizen has to lose their job.


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post May 21 2009, 09:42 PM

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He went for the citizenship, he managed to get away with i think 58+. He has to stay for 3 years to get the citizenship and invest 300k RM into the economy. Close to 100k Cdn.

Try hitting up companies directly, maybe Microsoft, or ShawCable etc.
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post May 21 2009, 10:48 PM

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US/Canadian its applicable to immediate family. Extended family not.
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post May 22 2009, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ May 21 2009, 11:22 PM)
i was looking to the list of the top employee to see if anyone interested, unix admin working in Microsoft ? blasphemy  laugh.gif

by they way you are in canada or malaysia?
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I'm in Malaysia now, but I'm from Canada.
Sorry I just trying to give ideas, maybe not Microsoft, but you can always try other places.

QUOTE(deodorant @ May 22 2009, 12:05 AM)
Canada?

If migrating to the US is like winning the 100m in the Olympics, then migrating to Canada is like coming last in the final race.
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If thats how you feel, but when you goto the US and you break you arm or get sick, tell me about the 1000s of USD medical fee you have to pay to get fixed up. I should rephrase this, in Alberta Healthcare premiums are now free towards Canadians. Healthcare in Canada is cheaper than healthcare also known as HMO or iPO in the US.

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post May 22 2009, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(bpk16 @ May 21 2009, 10:40 PM)
sorry bout posting this, but since we're on the topic of migration, is it hard to get a temporary work visa in australia?
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Australia has this thing for working visa, if you can get a job there its pretty easy to get a temporary work visa, if you try looking for one while your there on a visitor pass its ok as well, but if you try to apply for a work visa before getting work... not easy at all.

QUOTE(Bad Cyborg @ May 22 2009, 02:13 AM)
Why leave all your friends and family behind and go to a place like America? Haven't TV shows like Prison Break, 24, Burn Notice and Chuck taught you anything? It's already an established fact: all foreigners in US soil are subjected to their government's scrutiny. And they got so many agencies to serve that purpose, agencies frequently clash with each other, it is laughably ridonculous. And it takes only one small misstep on your part to land yourself in similar situation as depicted in those TV shows. Don't think it's all glitter and glamor, hot babes and cool sunshine. For one day when you wake up, you'll realize your children no longer speak your language, and insist on speaking Spanish, or Latin, or Pig Latin, or hell, even Japanese or Korean. And they do so just to piss you off. I speak from experience.

Oh yeah, and then there's also this.
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Umm do you know the difference between TV SHOWS and Reality? Stuff like what you watch is not exactly a fact going around as if its common knowledge in both countries. There really isn't that much of government scrutiny as you think there is. There is more scrutiny in Malaysia then there is in Canada let alone the US.

QUOTE(elpee @ May 22 2009, 07:04 AM)
What's your beef with Canada dude? Did someone from Canada give you a hard time? I mean I am not licking all over Canada's face here but I love how it's so culturally diverse and people are generally friendly and less xenophobic.

And Pacific Mall Rocks !!!
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QUOTE(silverwave @ May 22 2009, 08:22 AM)
Since Canada is recommended as the first place to go before going to US, what kind of jobs do they have there? I heard from a friend of mine who studied there that the life is pretty slow going but it's definitely better than Malaysia. biggrin.gif
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Its true life is slowing down there for the moment, but one day it will pick up again.

QUOTE(erictham @ May 22 2009, 09:41 AM)
Have you actually been to the US and lived there?
You sounded like you've been there forever...
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No he watches too much TV and expects it to be like reality.

QUOTE(deodorant @ May 22 2009, 11:02 AM)
Pacific Mall is rubbish. It's just a big warehouse with a bunch of dudes in cubicles trying to sell you stuff.

Aha but yeah I'm just baiting you guys, I've got nothing against Canada, especially with all the great experiences I've had there. Mostly in the sundowner in niagara falls, hohoho.

@ Bad Cyborg riggggggggght because American TV shows are a realistic depiction of what life and society is like.
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Isn't Pacific mall like LYN, also a bunch of guys selling your stuff in cubicles as well, except it appeals to us Males alot more that its all IT/electronic stuff.

@ Bad Cyborg, so if someone watches buffy the vampire slayer, apparently there are real vampires in the cemetary waiting to come out at night and some one going to kill them off for me? TV shows will not give you any realism into what society is at all like in the US. It was made as a fantasy mostly or parts of realism to give the viewers a good joy ride to relax to.

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post May 22 2009, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(chrishung @ May 22 2009, 11:56 AM)
I'm not so sure about that because I remember reading an article that they're still hiring foreign workers even in this economic climate. The reason to hire foreign worker in the first place is because they couldn't find similarly skilled American or the foreigner is willing to accept lower wages.

I would think that it's unlikely that you would get a job before migrating unless you have significant experience in some specialized skills in demand. For Canada, if you do have experience in a job on their in-demand occupation list then you can migrate without having a job first.

The best method would still be to get someone to sponsor you.
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They are still hiring foreign workers, but for the simple jobs like working at walgreens or walmart or even bestbuy, they are one of the first to be cut. Normally Americans tend to cut the lower labor foreign worker before they cut their own Americans. There are alot of American's that will even accept low low wages currently and also in this recessions. I know my friend in a simple store like JC Penny had put a job posting at 8.00 USD/hour minimum wage in some states, and had over 8000 ppl apply for the job just as a merchandiser that puts stuff here n there. Simple job and it wasn't even full time it was part time.

Canada in demand jobs are hard to come by now adays, unless you have a special trade skill or something. Alberta still has a high employment rate for trade skills along with oil and gas. But its slowly diminishing as the Canadian dollar equalizes with the US dollar.

Sponsorship is the way to go, its a whole lot easier.
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post May 24 2009, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(wengjoe @ May 24 2009, 10:07 AM)
correct but it take ages just to get an interview before they can process your application

my mom apply for my whole family for the green card status with the sponsorship of my grandma and auntie who both are citizen

we submited the application like 5 years ago and now still waiting on the line for the interview proccess,money is not an issue but the process just take too long

so if you want to apply for a green card,think twice.
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Did you do it yourself, or did you get a lawyer to help you? My buddy's family hired an attorney general, was a bit pricey, but they had sponsorship as well, and it took nearly 3.5 years in total.

Money cannot be used to buy your way thru like in Malaysia, most likely get rejected immediately with $$.
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QUOTE(segamatboy @ May 24 2009, 09:01 PM)
You are talking rubbish. In Canada, anyone can sponsor anyone. Just sign a 10yrs agreement and put up some bond money
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Have you done it ? I've done it and I've not seen a 10 yr agreement nor bond money.


QUOTE(wengjoe @ May 24 2009, 09:56 PM)
don't think my mom hired any lawyer to do it

we just follow the normal procedure.

your buddy apply for which states ? and does that matter anyway ?

maybe because my mom apply for NYC,that why it take longer to process ?
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normal procedure sometimes can take awhile.
he went to california.

Not sure but try followup and see what the delay is.

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post May 25 2009, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(segamatboy @ May 24 2009, 11:38 PM)
Never seen a 10yr agreement nor bond money. Lucky you. What year did you emigrated ??? Let me guess ...must be 1980's  or early 1990's??? Am I right???
From Govt of Canada website...sponsoring relatives... 3-10 yrs. Please read up and update. Of course there is no mention of bond money. Just like BC's MSP or OHIP websites. No mention of how much a person has to pay per month. Anyone who lives in BC or ONT knows he has to pay
I have a cousin who is living in Canada .His wife wants to bring her family over.According to my aunt, her son has to sign a 10 yr agreement and bond money( quite a hefty amount ). He couldn't afford the bond money...so no sponsorship.
Immigration Canada is not as stupid as they used to be. Back in the 90's any Tom d*** and Harry could sponsored family members and the dumped them at Social Welfare department. And how do IC prevent further abuse??? Bond money of course. Break your agreement and voila...consfication
If you still  think I am making it up please goto
www.soscanada2000.com
click on immigration under new act. Then eligible condition. Then Sponsorship and then Sponsorship procedure
There is a little line there that says...IF you are in default , a performance bond...blah blah. Of cpourse  nomention of how much
So am I talking thru my ass or the website is bogus ? Or you scurry back to Malaysia before IC imposed the up to 10yrs agreement +bond money??
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-sigh- don't make it personal, its just a forum thats called "open topics".
If you find I'm wrong then fine, mention it, rather then act like a 2 yr old.

Bond money you mean as in investing into the country or what?

Immigration Canada is not stupid nor is Immigration in the US.

For your information what I do in Malaysia really isnt "your" business what I do here. So if you have nothing else constructive to say. I suggest you either pm me your rant rave or whatever or stop ruining this thread with your attitude.


Added on May 25, 2009, 2:20 pm
QUOTE(wengjoe @ May 24 2009, 10:20 PM)
to be honest,we are not in the situation where we are desperate or have to migrate over to the states.

even though we have people to sponsor la,about 4 people if we want.

but my dad already say firmly that he don't want to move out of Malaysia
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So odd though, almost 5 years and not even hit an interview process yet. Its quite amusing how it takes so long now adays.

Alot of older parents who enjoy their time in Malaysia is quite reluctant to move away. My father in law here doesnt really want to move away as well. He always says he likes to visit but not stay long term.

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post May 25 2009, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(segamatboy @ May 24 2009, 09:01 PM)
You are talking rubbish. In Canada, anyone can sponsor anyone. Just sign a 10yrs agreement and put up some bond money
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Do you know what your saying, "anyone can sponsor anyone". So does that mean an immigrant can sponsor someone, or a visitor can sponsor someone, let alone, maybe just even a foreigner can sponsor someone. Where do you get this idea from?

I see from your website soscanada, its not exactly the same as CIC (the official canada immigration website) not some unofficial one. I can't seem to find where it says "ANYONE CAN SPONSOR ANYONE".


According to the CIC, this website, this is posted:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/index.asp

Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) knows it is important to help families who come from other countries to reunite in Canada. If you are a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident of Canada, you can sponsor your spouse, common-law partner, conjugal partner, dependent child (including adopted child) or other eligible relative (such as a parent or grandparent) to become a permanent resident.

CIC refers to the immigrants who are eligible to use this family sponsoring process as the Family Class.

If you become a permanent resident, you can live, study and work in Canada. For more information about being a permanent resident in Canada, see the Related Links section at the bottom of this page.

When you arrive in Canada as a permanent resident, you must make every reasonable effort to provide for your own essential needs and those of your family.

If you sponsor a relative to come to Canada as a permanent resident, you are responsible for supporting your relative financially when he or she arrives. As a sponsor, you must make sure your spouse or relative does not need to seek financial assistance from the government.

The process to sponsor your family begins when you, as a citizen or permanent resident in Canada, apply to be a sponsor.

There are two different processes for sponsoring your family. One process is used for sponsoring your spouse, conjugal or common-law partner and/or dependent children. Another process is used to sponsor other eligible relatives.
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Also here is another link from the CIC which is about Who can sponsor and who cannot, maybe I'm wrong but the website certainly posts there are restrictions, NOT ANYONE CAN SPONSOR ANYONE.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/spo...who.asp#who_can

To sponsor any other eligible relatives (for example, parents and grandparents), you must be living in Canada.

Who can be sponsored
You can sponsor:


parents
grandparents
brothers or sisters, nephews or nieces, granddaughters or grandsons who are orphaned, under 18 years of age and not married or in a common-law relationship
another relative of any age or relationship if none of the above relatives could be sponsored, and you have no other relatives who are Canadian citizens, persons registered as Indians under the Indian Act or permanent residents and
accompanying relatives of the above (for example, spouse, partner and dependent children).

Who cannot be sponsored
Other relatives, such as brothers and sisters over 18, or adult independent children cannot be sponsored. However, if they apply to immigrate under the Skilled Worker Class, they may get extra points for adaptability for having a relative in Canada.





 

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