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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!

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TSBarricade
post May 21 2009, 11:06 AM, updated 17y ago

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Link to v1

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/725192


The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club (updated 13/5/2009)

B&W

AS6
choontoy
ASW300
tongkito

HSU Research

1225
rizzo8
STF-2
craven dusk

KLIPSCH

RW-12D
Nakata101

MONITOR AUDIO

BRW-10
ah_chak

MORDAUNT-SHORT

Genie 409W
mikapoh

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
SiriuslyCold
PS1200
fevercrash
Ultracube-12
nadky
DSP-3400
HornyAngMoh

PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
samlee860407

REL

Strata 5
fourzee
Q50
butter finger

SVS

PB12-NSD
mys_terious
PC 20-39+
callmevill
PC-12+
(Coming very soon) rclxms.gif
megatron007
blostomous
kianwee
htkaki
mpyw
ARJ
NAKATA101
robinlim (next upgrade in far future......)

VELODYNE

CHT-10R
sunauto
aiman04
arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj
CHT-12R
mpyw
splee8868
arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
Slicardo
Howie
gizmodo
lightnin69
CHT-10Q
robinlim
Kevin
eugenengkarmeng
CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
state of abyssmal
eugenengkarmeng
DD-12
Pierreye
SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd
SPL-1200R
jwyj
pratt
VA 68/79 XII
choontoy
Impact-12
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Optimum-12
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WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007
Jediknight8820



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TSBarricade
post May 21 2009, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ May 21 2009, 11:25 AM)
There is no "best" way to connect your sub.  It really depends on what you want and the type of speakers you are using.  If you have a large full range speakers, then you can connect it via the AV LFE out, set your speaker to Large, & turning off the cross-over would be good because this will allow the signal to bypass the crossover.  However that would leave your sub to produce everything from the LFE channel.  But some prefer to use the crossover to set the crossover at a lower frequency which is just slightly above the lowest frequency that the main speakers can produce.  This setting will have the sub produce those low freq that the main speakers cannot produce.

However if you want more bass from your system, you might want to set the crossover at a higher level to produce the bass that your main speaker already can produce. 

If you have small speaker like satelites or bookshelf, then you will be required to play around the crossover to make the woofer blend int your speakers.

One thing that caught my attention about the REL subwoofers is the very unique set-up.  In fact REL call it the Sub Bass system instead of subwoofers.  Unlike most sub, you either connect with the LFE or you could connect via the High Level output(direct from AV speakers output).  The REL that I tested 2 days ago requires a very different setup.  REL recommended connecting with both the LFE input and the High Level input(it even include Nuetrik Speakon connector and cables for this).  In fact it has a volume control for both the LFE input andthe High Level input. 

Here are qome quotes from REL:

"RELs are not traditional subwoofers, but true sub-bass systems. A REL is designed to augment the performance of “full range” speaker systems, to provide linear response down to below 12 Hz (Studio III, -6 dB down at 9 Hz). Therefore, for the moment, set aside everything you’ve been taught about subwoofers and how they are integrated into a stereo or theater system. RELs set-up and position differently than other subwoofers. A REL will take advantage of physics and room acoustics to provide deep pressurization as no other sub-woofer can. It’s important that you bring to the set-up process a willingness to do things a little differently in order to obtain these superior results. The end result of your labors will be an utterly seamless integration of true deep bass to a sound system, regardless of the main speaker’s low bass capability."

Connection:
"It is helpful to know that you will almost always connect the REL to the input on the rear panel labeled “Hi Level.” This connection is made using the supplied 34’ 10” (10 meters) cable, the bare leads of which connect to the speaker output terminals of the power amplifier. The easy and foolproof connection at the REL is done with a Neutrik Speakon connector. The purpose of connecting to the speaker output terminals is one of the unique secrets of REL’s success. By connecting to the high level input on the REL from the amplifier, you build forward the sonic signature of your main system, including the tonal balance and timing cues of the entire electronics chain. In this way, the REL is fed the exact signal that is fed to the main speakers."

Theater and Film Applications:
For Dolby Digital AC-3® or other 5.1 theater systems, once the standard set-up for two-channel outlined above is complete, the LFE output from the processor or receiver should be connected to the low-level input and appropriate gain adjustments made. It may be necessary to take the crossover out of the low-level input using the “mode” switch if extra upper bass output is called for. Keep phase consistent with what was selected during high-level set-up by simply choosing the corresponding setting (1 = 2, 3 = 4). For this configuration, you must set the processor to the “large” or “full range” setting for the left and right speakers in order for the REL to receive the bass signal via the high-level cable. In this configuration, the REL provides support for both the left and right speakers for two-channel listening, and support for the LFE when movies are playing. Most processors will allow you to defeat the subwoofer output when listening in the two-channel mode. The effect of this set-up is one of greatly increased dynamics in the mid-bass range; no bass bloat; and a greater degree of space and timing from the Foley effects. For an even greater sense of space and impact, a second woofer connected in parallel to the center channel will prove to be a dramatic improvement as well. And if that is not enough fun, a rear sub, both to support the rear channel speakers as well as to evenly distribute LFE through the room, truly completes the full-range sonic picture for state-of-the-art film reproduction.

To read more about REL unique sub bass system you can go to REL website @ REL
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TSBarricade
post May 21 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(robinlim @ May 21 2009, 01:51 PM)
It's V2 now, so the list is also 'house shifting'  smile.gif

The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club (updated 13/5/2009)

B&W

AS6
choontoy

ASW300
tongkito

HSU Research

1225
rizzo8

KLIPSCH

RW-12D
Nakata101

MONITOR AUDIO

BRW-10
ah_chak

MORDAUNT SHORT

Genie 409W
mikapoh

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
SiriuslyCold

PS1200
fevercrash

Ultracube-12
nadky

DSP-3400
HornyAngMoh

PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
samlee860407

REL

Strata 5
fourzee

Q50
butter finger

SVS

PB12-NSD
mys_terious

PC 20-39+
callmevill

PC-12+
(Coming very soon)  rclxms.gif
megatron007
blostomous
kianwee
htkaki
mpyw
ARJ
NAKATA101
robinlim (next upgrade in far future......)

VELODYNE

CHT-10R
Sunauto
Aiman04
Arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj

CHT-12R
mpyw
splee8868
arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
Slicardo
Howie
gizmodo

CHT-10Q
robinlim
Kevin
eugenengkarmeng

CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
state of abyssmal
eugenengkarmeng

DD-12
Pierreye

SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd

SPL-1200R
jwyj cheers.gif
pratt cheers.gif  cheers.gif

Impact-12

Optimum-12

VA 68/79 XII
choontoy

WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007
Jediknight8820
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TQ! Will update to first post.!!
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post May 22 2009, 11:33 AM

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post Jun 7 2009, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 6 2009, 11:49 PM)
Why not? Obviously you haven't been inside one with ice box intercooler and twin NOS. You can't go far with it but for that 400m drag u will not remember u actually in a Kancil.

So in regard to this SVS sub, the point is you should first listen to one...
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