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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!

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post May 21 2009, 11:06 AM, updated 17y ago

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Link to v1

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/725192


The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club (updated 13/5/2009)

B&W

AS6
choontoy
ASW300
tongkito

HSU Research

1225
rizzo8
STF-2
craven dusk

KLIPSCH

RW-12D
Nakata101

MONITOR AUDIO

BRW-10
ah_chak

MORDAUNT-SHORT

Genie 409W
mikapoh

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
SiriuslyCold
PS1200
fevercrash
Ultracube-12
nadky
DSP-3400
HornyAngMoh

PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
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REL

Strata 5
fourzee
Q50
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SVS

PB12-NSD
mys_terious
PC 20-39+
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PC-12+
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blostomous
kianwee
htkaki
mpyw
ARJ
NAKATA101
robinlim (next upgrade in far future......)

VELODYNE

CHT-10R
sunauto
aiman04
arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj
CHT-12R
mpyw
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arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
Slicardo
Howie
gizmodo
lightnin69
CHT-10Q
robinlim
Kevin
eugenengkarmeng
CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
state of abyssmal
eugenengkarmeng
DD-12
Pierreye
SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd
SPL-1200R
jwyj
pratt
VA 68/79 XII
choontoy
Impact-12
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Optimum-12
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WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007
Jediknight8820



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post May 21 2009, 11:10 AM

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post May 21 2009, 11:10 AM

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reporting .... calling all future SVS ownerto fall in:


1. megatron007
2. blostomous
3. kianwee
4. htkaki
5. mpyw
6. ARJ
7. NAKATA101
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10.

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post May 21 2009, 11:21 AM

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post May 21 2009, 11:24 AM

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Kianwee, maybe you can paste the owners list in the first post, like the original thread. biggrin.gif
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post May 21 2009, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ May 21 2009, 12:15 AM)
i read in SVS forum

the best to configure is to leave ur SUB volume at 30% max, OFF the cross-offer

and configure the db & bass mgmt on ur AVR

betol or not sifus ??
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There is no "best" way to connect your sub. It really depends on what you want and the type of speakers you are using. If you have a large full range speakers, then you can connect it via the AV LFE out, set your speaker to Large, & turning off the cross-over would be good because this will allow the signal to bypass the crossover. However that would leave your sub to produce everything from the LFE channel. But some prefer to use the crossover to set the crossover at a lower frequency which is just slightly above the lowest frequency that the main speakers can produce. This setting will have the sub produce those low freq that the main speakers cannot produce.

However if you want more bass from your system, you might want to set the crossover at a higher level to produce the bass that your main speaker already can produce.

If you have small speaker like satelites or bookshelf, then you will be required to play around the crossover to make the woofer blend int your speakers.

One thing that caught my attention about the REL subwoofers is the very unique set-up. In fact REL call it the Sub Bass system instead of subwoofers. Unlike most sub, you either connect with the LFE or you could connect via the High Level output(direct from AV speakers output). The REL that I tested 2 days ago requires a very different setup. REL recommended connecting with both the LFE input and the High Level input(it even include Nuetrik Speakon connector and cables for this). In fact it has a volume control for both the LFE input andthe High Level input.

Here are qome quotes from REL:

"RELs are not traditional subwoofers, but true sub-bass systems. A REL is designed to augment the performance of “full range” speaker systems, to provide linear response down to below 12 Hz (Studio III, -6 dB down at 9 Hz). Therefore, for the moment, set aside everything you’ve been taught about subwoofers and how they are integrated into a stereo or theater system. RELs set-up and position differently than other subwoofers. A REL will take advantage of physics and room acoustics to provide deep pressurization as no other sub-woofer can. It’s important that you bring to the set-up process a willingness to do things a little differently in order to obtain these superior results. The end result of your labors will be an utterly seamless integration of true deep bass to a sound system, regardless of the main speaker’s low bass capability."

Connection:
"It is helpful to know that you will almost always connect the REL to the input on the rear panel labeled “Hi Level.” This connection is made using the supplied 34’ 10” (10 meters) cable, the bare leads of which connect to the speaker output terminals of the power amplifier. The easy and foolproof connection at the REL is done with a Neutrik Speakon connector. The purpose of connecting to the speaker output terminals is one of the unique secrets of REL’s success. By connecting to the high level input on the REL from the amplifier, you build forward the sonic signature of your main system, including the tonal balance and timing cues of the entire electronics chain. In this way, the REL is fed the exact signal that is fed to the main speakers."

Theater and Film Applications:
For Dolby Digital AC-3® or other 5.1 theater systems, once the standard set-up for two-channel outlined above is complete, the LFE output from the processor or receiver should be connected to the low-level input and appropriate gain adjustments made. It may be necessary to take the crossover out of the low-level input using the “mode” switch if extra upper bass output is called for. Keep phase consistent with what was selected during high-level set-up by simply choosing the corresponding setting (1 = 2, 3 = 4). For this configuration, you must set the processor to the “large” or “full range” setting for the left and right speakers in order for the REL to receive the bass signal via the high-level cable. In this configuration, the REL provides support for both the left and right speakers for two-channel listening, and support for the LFE when movies are playing. Most processors will allow you to defeat the subwoofer output when listening in the two-channel mode. The effect of this set-up is one of greatly increased dynamics in the mid-bass range; no bass bloat; and a greater degree of space and timing from the Foley effects. For an even greater sense of space and impact, a second woofer connected in parallel to the center channel will prove to be a dramatic improvement as well. And if that is not enough fun, a rear sub, both to support the rear channel speakers as well as to evenly distribute LFE through the room, truly completes the full-range sonic picture for state-of-the-art film reproduction.

To read more about REL unique sub bass system you can go to REL website @ REL
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post May 21 2009, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ May 21 2009, 11:25 AM)
There is no "best" way to connect your sub.  It really depends on what you want and the type of speakers you are using.  If you have a large full range speakers, then you can connect it via the AV LFE out, set your speaker to Large, & turning off the cross-over would be good because this will allow the signal to bypass the crossover.  However that would leave your sub to produce everything from the LFE channel.  But some prefer to use the crossover to set the crossover at a lower frequency which is just slightly above the lowest frequency that the main speakers can produce.  This setting will have the sub produce those low freq that the main speakers cannot produce.

However if you want more bass from your system, you might want to set the crossover at a higher level to produce the bass that your main speaker already can produce. 

If you have small speaker like satelites or bookshelf, then you will be required to play around the crossover to make the woofer blend int your speakers.

One thing that caught my attention about the REL subwoofers is the very unique set-up.  In fact REL call it the Sub Bass system instead of subwoofers.  Unlike most sub, you either connect with the LFE or you could connect via the High Level output(direct from AV speakers output).  The REL that I tested 2 days ago requires a very different setup.  REL recommended connecting with both the LFE input and the High Level input(it even include Nuetrik Speakon connector and cables for this).  In fact it has a volume control for both the LFE input andthe High Level input. 

Here are qome quotes from REL:

"RELs are not traditional subwoofers, but true sub-bass systems. A REL is designed to augment the performance of “full range” speaker systems, to provide linear response down to below 12 Hz (Studio III, -6 dB down at 9 Hz). Therefore, for the moment, set aside everything you’ve been taught about subwoofers and how they are integrated into a stereo or theater system. RELs set-up and position differently than other subwoofers. A REL will take advantage of physics and room acoustics to provide deep pressurization as no other sub-woofer can. It’s important that you bring to the set-up process a willingness to do things a little differently in order to obtain these superior results. The end result of your labors will be an utterly seamless integration of true deep bass to a sound system, regardless of the main speaker’s low bass capability."

Connection:
"It is helpful to know that you will almost always connect the REL to the input on the rear panel labeled “Hi Level.” This connection is made using the supplied 34’ 10” (10 meters) cable, the bare leads of which connect to the speaker output terminals of the power amplifier. The easy and foolproof connection at the REL is done with a Neutrik Speakon connector. The purpose of connecting to the speaker output terminals is one of the unique secrets of REL’s success. By connecting to the high level input on the REL from the amplifier, you build forward the sonic signature of your main system, including the tonal balance and timing cues of the entire electronics chain. In this way, the REL is fed the exact signal that is fed to the main speakers."

Theater and Film Applications:
For Dolby Digital AC-3® or other 5.1 theater systems, once the standard set-up for two-channel outlined above is complete, the LFE output from the processor or receiver should be connected to the low-level input and appropriate gain adjustments made. It may be necessary to take the crossover out of the low-level input using the “mode” switch if extra upper bass output is called for. Keep phase consistent with what was selected during high-level set-up by simply choosing the corresponding setting (1 = 2, 3 = 4). For this configuration, you must set the processor to the “large” or “full range” setting for the left and right speakers in order for the REL to receive the bass signal via the high-level cable. In this configuration, the REL provides support for both the left and right speakers for two-channel listening, and support for the LFE when movies are playing. Most processors will allow you to defeat the subwoofer output when listening in the two-channel mode. The effect of this set-up is one of greatly increased dynamics in the mid-bass range; no bass bloat; and a greater degree of space and timing from the Foley effects. For an even greater sense of space and impact, a second woofer connected in parallel to the center channel will prove to be a dramatic improvement as well. And if that is not enough fun, a rear sub, both to support the rear channel speakers as well as to evenly distribute LFE through the room, truly completes the full-range sonic picture for state-of-the-art film reproduction.

To read more about REL unique sub bass system you can go to REL website @ REL
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post May 21 2009, 11:59 AM

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Why I am tempted to buy SVS PC-12Plus :

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/svs_pc12_plus.htm
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post May 21 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(attentional @ May 21 2009, 11:02 AM)
12d also consider entry level, how about those rogers sub? garbage level?
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entry level among klipsch line up la.. if RW-12D is its hi end models then where do klipsch KW-120-THX, XW-500d, RT-12D stand.. i said entry meaning among commonly talked abt hometheater brands like velodyne, klipsch, svs, hsu.. it is a fact these are the common brands hometheater enthusiast buy and their entry line normally cost usd550 to usd650.. they do cost a bomb to us but its a fact they r entry level.. i dont see many rogers discussions here so i have no idea how much they cost n sound.. if u feel offended and want me to call RW-12D a benchmark model i am more than happy to edit my post specially for u uncle roger

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If i got 2 sub, how i set it 1 for front and 1 put near the seating position??? Put SVS at seating position more interesting ??? whistling.gif
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post May 21 2009, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ May 21 2009, 11:37 AM)
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Want to read more?

Here is a quote from Sound & Vision review of the T1:

MUSIC PERFORMANCE

REL developed its reputation building what the company likes to call "sub-bass systems" for enhancing music playback, so it's no surprise that musical performance is a key strength of its designs. What is unexpected is that REL manages to maintain impressive tunefulness in a sub as compact as the T1. In my experience, small subs with high-excursion drivers can move plenty of air and create an impressive pants-leg-flapping rumble, but they run into trouble when attempting to reproduce specific notes and tunes.

"Anna Stesia" from Prince's Lovesexy might be a hard- and compressed-sounding mess of a recording, but it does include some seriously deep synth-bass. The T1 used in tandem with the diminutive Haydn Grand speakers demonstrated how well the REL could integrate with a smaller speaker, extending its reach into the lowest octaves. While I couldn't finger any part of the sound as coming directly from the T1, that synth-bass line all but disappeared when I switched off the sub.

With Venezuelan conductor Gustavo Dudamel's remarkable recording of Beethoven's 7th Symphony, the T1 clearly contributed texture and weight to the lower strings, as well as plenty of impact from the tympani. What was striking wasn't the quantity of bass but its quality and tunefulness. There was also a sense of fullness that came without making the sound muddy or thick.

MOVIE PERFORMANCE

While REL's emphasis with the T1 is on tunefulness and clarity, that's not to suggest that it doesn't go deep. With the right material, it produced plenty of bass that you could feel as well as hear. It's just not designed to bowl you over and make you say, "Wow, there's that sub kicking in again!"

What the T1 does have is a chameleon-like ability to disappear sonically into a system and blend impeccably with the rest of the speakers. The effect is more as if you replaced your main speakers with a much larger and more full-range model from the same company, rather than adding something that's designed to impress on its own.

The scene from the animated movie Over the Hedge where the turtle Verne first explores the new housing development is a good source of subtle low-frequency detail. With the REL, sounds like the statue falling over onto the grass and the SUV that drives over Verne were especially clear and unmuddied.

The Haunting has plenty of over-the-top bass effects, and using the T1 for the "Creaking Pipes" chapter demonstrated just how tight and extended the T1's response could be — as long as levels were kept to within its limits. When pushed too hard, the bass radiator would start to make strange noises as it reached the limits of its excursion — although it took truly silly volume levels to get to that point.

A scene from Master and Commander where enemy cannonballs rip through the timbers of the ship demonstrated the T1's impressive impact. The sound of the British vessel crashing over the ocean waves was crisp and taut, with plenty of low-bass extension. And I didn't get any sense of bass energy overload, which can be a problem with less well-behaved subs.

BOTTOM LINE

If your idea of a great subwoofer is one that can inflict the maximum amount of structural damage to your home for the lowest price, then the T1 is clearly not for you. REL's design approach is far more subtle, going back to the original thinking behind the subwoofer concept, which was to extend the low-frequency reach of an existing system coherently and discreetly. But that's not to suggest that the T1 is in any way effete or wimpy. Using its separate LFE level control, you can set up the T1 to let loose its subtle prowess on music while delivering a real kick for movies. That level of flexibility, in my opinion, is the sign of a great sub.
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QUOTE(nakata101 @ May 21 2009, 12:04 PM)
If i got 2 sub, how i set it 1 for front and 1 put near the seating position??? Put SVS at seating position more interesting ???  whistling.gif
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Wah laueh! If u put a SVS near where u seat I am very very sure u will feel the vibration! Especially 'down there'! brows.gif brows.gif

Please try out U571 when u got ur SVS rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Feel the explosion!
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ May 21 2009, 12:03 PM)
entry level among klipsch line up la.. if RW-12D is its hi end models then where do klipsch KW-120-THX, XW-500d, RT-12D stand.. i said entry meaning among commonly talked abt hometheater brands like velodyne, klipsch, svs, hsu.. it is a fact these are the common brands hometheater enthusiast buy and their entry line normally cost usd550 to usd650.. they do cost a bomb to us but its a fact they r entry level.. i dont see many rogers discussions here so i have no idea how much they cost n sound.. if u feel offended and want me to call  RW-12D a benchmark model i am more than happy to edit my post specially for u uncle roger
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sorry la my friend, to be honest i'm just jealous so many upgrading to svs, i'm just using pariah low end velodyne 10r nie... so i feel sad and offended inside because my sub is considered worst than entry level and i cannot afford to upgrade to svs. i think throw into klang river also nobody pick up. pardon me pls, i'm a bit emotionally imbalanced now. sad.gif
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QUOTE(attentional @ May 21 2009, 12:21 PM)
sorry la my friend, to be honest i'm just jealous so many upgrading to svs, i'm just using pariah low end velodyne 10r nie... so i feel sad and offended inside because my sub is considered worst than entry level and i cannot afford to upgrade to svs. i think throw into klang river also nobody pick up. pardon me pls, i'm a bit emotionally imbalanced now. sad.gif
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Aiyah! U r not alone lah! I got three 'parieh' sub at home including a Roger ASB 10". He! He! If u do throw away ur Velo do inform me, it is at least better then the Roger. Poor people like me can only drool at the elite up-grading their sub. sad.gif
But then I shall be most happy to learn from their FR on their new sub rclxms.gif

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post May 21 2009, 12:31 PM

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ya same... i got wafediu at home also

my garage got space... can throw the velodie there for me ar?? tongue.gif

thx biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ May 21 2009, 12:30 PM)
Aiyah! U r not alone lah! I got three 'parieh' sub at home including a Roger ASB 10". He! He! If u do throw away ur Velo do inform me, it is at least better then the Roger. Poor people like me can only drool at the elite up-grading their sub. sad.gif
But then I shall be most happy to learn from their FR on their new sub  rclxms.gif
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I know i'm not alone, there are a lot like me out there and i know who they are, a lot diam diam nie. so sad sad.gif
Be positive! let's look forward for these elites to FR their new sub, shall we? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(attentional @ May 21 2009, 12:21 PM)
sorry la my friend, to be honest i'm just jealous so many upgrading to svs, i'm just using pariah low end velodyne 10r nie... so i feel sad and offended inside because my sub is considered worst than entry level and i cannot afford to upgrade to svs. i think throw into klang river also nobody pick up. pardon me pls, i'm a bit emotionally imbalanced now. sad.gif
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svs is not any higher level higher than velodyne.. it is just designed to go lower it just cost more here bcoz of the transport n tax.. svs pb10-nsd is only usd429 and velodyne 10r is usd499.. it also have its weakness compared to 10r.. it is a huge plain looking black box..

i am emotional and imbalanced too.. to c that genius went shopping for submarine, helicopters, tanks and jet fighters with our money.. while i save so long to buy a an entry sub
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I also use 10R, it's just excellent for me. Really does it's job well, just need to do proper placement, crossover and calibration. If you've done that, you can't even locate the position of your subwoofer, it's become purely non-directional, only then you can really "feel" the LFE, not hear it. Really don't feel like upgrading (for now).

So, it's OK guys, enjoy what you have. biggrin.gif

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ya...sub is to feel... not to hear

totally agree with u TUN AIMAN...

why lately see u lepak over here??? getting lesser hype like RX330?


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Tun Mega, now I'm a little bit free. Before I was really busy, can only visit here and look see only. sweat.gif

I think RX merajuk since his thread kena padlock... But now he also come here once in a while. tongue.gif
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My wife always ask me....why u put the bid box there, I can't even hear a sound from it tongue.gif
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later u get SVS


she said "WHY the hell u buy so big dustbin back..... house oledi got a few small one ..."

then she open the port n throw some kuaci tat she has eaten inside biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ May 21 2009, 01:07 PM)
later u get SVS
she said "WHY the hell u buy so big dustbin back..... house oledi got a few small one ..."

then she open the port n throw some kuaci  tat she has eaten  inside biggrin.gif
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Ha! Ha! Ha! What will SVS boss say if he know his boaster sub being refer to as 'dustbin' some more throw in the kuaci !!! shocking.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post May 21 2009, 01:51 PM

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It's V2 now, so the list is also 'house shifting' smile.gif

The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club (updated 13/5/2009)

B&W

AS6
choontoy

ASW300
tongkito

HSU Research

1225
rizzo8

KLIPSCH

RW-12D
Nakata101

MONITOR AUDIO

BRW-10
ah_chak

MORDAUNT SHORT

Genie 409W
mikapoh

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
SiriuslyCold

PS1200
fevercrash

Ultracube-12
nadky

DSP-3400
HornyAngMoh

PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
samlee860407

REL

Strata 5
fourzee

Q50
butter finger

SVS

PB12-NSD
mys_terious

PC 20-39+
callmevill

PC-12+
(Coming very soon) rclxms.gif
megatron007
blostomous
kianwee
htkaki
mpyw
ARJ
NAKATA101
robinlim (next upgrade in far future......)

VELODYNE

CHT-10R
Sunauto
Aiman04
Arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj

CHT-12R
mpyw
splee8868
arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
Slicardo
Howie
gizmodo

CHT-10Q
robinlim
Kevin
eugenengkarmeng

CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
state of abyssmal
eugenengkarmeng

DD-12
Pierreye

SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd

SPL-1200R
jwyj cheers.gif
pratt cheers.gif cheers.gif

Impact-12

Optimum-12

VA 68/79 XII
choontoy

WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007
Jediknight8820
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So who's dong the MO for SVS PC-12+?
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meanwhile enjoy this cartoon biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

http://www.svsound.com/animation.cfm
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post May 21 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(robinlim @ May 21 2009, 01:51 PM)
It's V2 now, so the list is also 'house shifting'  smile.gif

The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club (updated 13/5/2009)

B&W

AS6
choontoy

ASW300
tongkito

HSU Research

1225
rizzo8

KLIPSCH

RW-12D
Nakata101

MONITOR AUDIO

BRW-10
ah_chak

MORDAUNT SHORT

Genie 409W
mikapoh

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
SiriuslyCold

PS1200
fevercrash

Ultracube-12
nadky

DSP-3400
HornyAngMoh

PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
samlee860407

REL

Strata 5
fourzee

Q50
butter finger

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Finally got reply from SVS and the quote as below:

PB12-Plus to Singapore
Door to door $520
Door to airport $330

PB12-Plus to Malaysia
Door to door $565
Door to airport $375

Much higher than what quote to htkaki... guess is because I'm staying in Johor rclxub.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ May 21 2009, 03:52 PM)
Finally got reply from SVS and the quote as below:

PB12-Plus to Singapore
Door to door    $520
Door to airport  $330

PB12-Plus to Malaysia
Door to door    $565
Door to airport  $375

Much higher than what quote to htkaki... guess is because I'm staying in Johor rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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Forgot to mention that I am taking the average price as I am not buying only one unit blush.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 21 2009, 03:54 PM)
Forgot to mention that I am taking the average price as I am not buying only one unit  blush.gif
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With the MO the shipping will be cheaper I believe...
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What happen if the SVS kong? Have to ship back?
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What happen if the SVS kong? Have to ship back?
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read this :

"Watching the Blu-ray edition of The Dark Knight, I was astonished by what the PC12-Plus brought to the table when, in chapter 30, the Joker, dressed as the scariest-looking nurse I’ve ever seen, blew up Gotham City Hospital. The PC12-Plus rendered that and every other explosion with impacts that were shockingly visceral, deep, and clean. Although this soundtrack reaches down to some very deep frequencies, I unplugged all three of the PC12-Plus’s ports, as this brought the most slam and impact."

FUYOO rclxms.gif

Added on May 21, 2009, 4:14 pmAs noted above, I compared the PC12-Plus with my MartinLogan Descent i ($3495), which many consider to be among the top-performing subwoofers available. The Descent has three 10" aluminum-cone drivers positioned in a balanced configuration. Each driver is powered by its own 250W amplifier, for a combined total of 750W. In short, matching the 525W PC12-Plus against the 750W Descent i is the epitome of unfairness. And for a component such as the PC12-Plus, which swings far above its league, that’s the way we like it!

In that hospital-demolition scene from The Dark Knight, the Descent i dipped low and punched hard. A friend thought the MartinLogan had a bit more headroom than the SVS, but I had difficulty deciding which I preferred. It turned out that my preference depended on which film I was watching. Both subs went low enough that my room and I (and, on one occasion, my downstairs neighbor) cried uncle. This was a major coup for the PC12-Plus.


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fuyoh...setting up 11.2 system ar drool.gif
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Nope. 7.2 drool.gif One up front. The other at the back. Chun?

I think I need a bigger home if my upgrades keep going in this way. I am aiming multi-channel power amp for my upgrade.

If not becuase of the expensive shipping fee, I would have go for PB-13Ultra. Itching to know how it could 'eat' Velo for breakfast. It's ok. I still have PC-12Plus to see how it stomps my CHT-12R.

I really itching to know whether 2 CHT-12Rs can compete with a single PC-12Plus.
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ May 21 2009, 03:52 PM)
Finally got reply from SVS and the quote as below:

PB12-Plus to Singapore
Door to door    $520
Door to airport  $330

PB12-Plus to Malaysia
Door to door    $565
Door to airport  $375

Much higher than what quote to htkaki... guess is because I'm staying in Johor rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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If going for MO, why not ask for normal shipping by container which is much cheaper than by air. maybe 10 subs equals about 1/2 a container.
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u told me PC12plus eat velodie SPL for breakie?? no? tongue.gif
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Nope. 7.2  drool.gif  One up front. The other at the back. Chun?

I think I need a bigger home if my upgrades keep going in this way. I am aiming multi-channel power amp for my upgrade.

If not becuase of the expensive shipping fee, I would have go for PB-13Ultra. Itching to know how it could 'eat' Velo for breakfast. It's ok. I still have PC-12Plus to see how it stomps my CHT-12R.

I really itching to know whether 2 CHT-12Rs can compete with a single PC-12Plus.
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Buy lah this SVS top model. This is the sub to owned. thumbup.gif
How much actually to buy this sub, in Rm after adding in all the various 'charges'? Just want to know. All the SVS poisoning is affecting my work. sweat.gif
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By calculation including tax, PB13Ultra is about USD3,430, which is about RM12,213.
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Fuyoh! PB-13 Ultra! The sub SVS recommend for me.  wub.gif
Buy lah this SVS top model. This is the sub to owned.  thumbup.gif
How much actually to buy this sub, in Rm after adding in all the various 'charges'? Just want to know. All the SVS poisoning is affecting my work. sweat.gif
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not only u.... i m suffer-ing SVS bolster syndrome also now sad.gif and affecting my work here
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 21 2009, 04:53 PM)
By calculation including tax, PB13Ultra is about USD3,430, which is about RM12,213.
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By calculation including tax, PB13Ultra is about USD3,430, which is about RM12,213.
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Shipping would be:



PC13-Ultra

Door to door      $430      Bax Quote Number 4778306

Door to airport  $250      Bax Quote Number 4778305



These quotes are for prepaid shipping and a small international handling fee only.  Any taxes, duties, brokerage, administrative, etc. fees are your responsibility. The door to door rate includes the brokerage fees and the door to airport does not. The brokerage fees included in door to door rates may not include all local administrative fees. 



You are responsible for finding out about any local required procedures, licenses, registrations or such in advance.  We had one recipient that had to become a registered importer in his country in order to be able to pick up at the airport (a lengthy and expensive process) and because he didn't find out about this requirement in advance, he was not only forced to go through it, but he also had to pay storage fees on the box while waiting for his forms to process. 



Unfortunately due to the high level of credit card fraud in Malaysia we only accept bank transfers (TT transfer) for orders this large.  If you want to order let us know how you want it sent and we’ll send you a total and instructions on how to make the payment.  Please also make sure that you let us know if you need the subwoofer in 110v or 220v configuration.



Around RM7700 for the sub, door to airport shipping, 15% + 10% tax and sewa lori/van + driver to pick it up hmm.gif

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By calculation including tax, PB13Ultra is about USD3,430, which is about RM12,213.
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Wow! So to transport over to my place I suppose it will be about Rm13K. hmm.gif At this price range lotsa of elite sub to choose from like Paradigm Servo 15. But then if friend come to ur house u can 'layan' them & say 'Look SVS woh! Direct inpork from US woh!' icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif rclxms.gif

Ok! Tq very very much for the price quotation. I think I need to eat porridge for two years to save enough $$$$ to buy this.

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Really elite this HornyAngMoh  rclxms.gif
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Aiyoh! Not elite lah. Just want to know how much to save to owned this sub. smile.gif

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Unfortunately due to the high level of credit card fraud in Malaysia we only accept bank transfers (TT transfer) for orders this large
They don't accept M'sia Credit Card!!!!
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Damn.. 12k... can build another system at my toilet ad...  biggrin.gif
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Now this Towkey is the real elite! Some more can set up HT just for the toilet! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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I went to try out the REL T1 and the Velodyne CHT-12R again this afternoon. This time the setup was in a different room with carpet floor.

First I try out the T1 and on the carpet floor it still produce the "blat" noise at higher level so I suppose the sound is from the driver instead of the wooden flooring 2 days ago.

But what really surprise me this time is the sound of the CHT-12R. I play around with the crossover and set it at the 12 position and somehow it sound great this time. Although the T1 still sound better, the CHT12R can still stand on its own against the T1. What really disappoint me about the T1 is that it seem to go out of breath at higher volume producing blatting sound which is very irritating. The CHT-12R still sound a tad slower than the T1, but it still sounds damn good and more than make up for the loss with its mighty power. I can really fell the CHT-12R producing much powerful bass and can surely go lower than the T1. In fact I brought a friend with me this time and he actually prefer the CHT-12R because we can feel and hear the bass much more than the T1. I try higher volume and the 12R seems to handle it without much problem. I am defintely reconsidering the CHT-12Q again after this audition!

What really surprise me is how a different room with different acoustic could affect the sound so much.

So my problem now is which sub so i buy. They T1 sound sweet but the blatting noise make me feel very uneasy paying Rm3000 for it. The CHT-12R definite impress me this time round with its good quality bass and shear power. Then the seller ask me to take the Velodyne CHT-12R for RM1500 which is a second hand one. At half the price of the T1, do you guys think its worth it? In other words, is a second hand 12R worth Rm1500? Or should I go for a new 12Q at Rm2800?

Need some expert advice advice!

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the 2nd hand unit got warranty??? if i buy how much to ship to KL ar?? tongue.gif
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I went to try out the REL T1 and the Velodyne CHT-12R again this afternoon.  This time the setup was in a different room with carpet floor. 

First I try out the T1 and on the carpet floor it still produce the "blat" noise at higher level so I suppose the sound is from the driver instead of the wooden flooring 2 days ago. 

But what really surprise me this time is the sound of the CHT-12R.  I play around with the crossover and set it at the 12 position and somehow it sound great this time.  Although the T1 still sound better, the CHT12R can still stand on its own against the T1.  What really disappoint me about the T1 is that it seem to go out of breath at higher volume producing blatting sound which is very irritating.  The CHT-12R still sound a tad slower than the T1, but it still sounds damn good and more than make up for the loss with its mighty power.  I can really fell the CHT-12R producing much powerful bass and can surely go lower than the T1.  In fact I brought a friend with me this time and he actually prefer the CHT-12R because we can feel and hear the bass much more than the T1.  I try hogher volume and the 12R seems to handle it without much problem.  I am defintely reconsidering the CHT-12Q again after this audition!

What really surprise me is how a different room with different acoustic could affect the sound so much. 

So my problem now is which sub so i buy.  They T1 sound sweet but the blatting noise make me feel very uneasy paying Rm3000 for it.  Then the seller ask me to take the Velodyne CHT-12R for RM1500 which is a second hand one.  At half the price of the T1, do you guys think its worth it?  In other words, is a second hand 12R worth Rm1500?  Or should I go for a new 12Q at Rm2800?

Need some advice!
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Buy the 12Q, it is the up-graded model. Got display vol & some more got auto setting. Beside it is new so got 1 year warranty. Now if money no problem go for the 15Q that will be the better option.
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He is offering me 6 months personal warranty. If I buy the CHT-12Q, it will cost me RM2800 which is RM1300 more. Is the 12Q very much better than the 12R?

Btw, how much is a new CHt-12R?

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Velo Q series has auto calibration R series dun have. (pls correct me if i'm wrong) tongue.gif

i dun think there any more new CHT-12R out there...demo set mostly..

Last time i went A&L they say 12Q also have to wait for 1 month..

Cannot say anythin bout REL T1, never audition before.. for me if got $$$ go for REL.. or SVS.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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Velo Q series has auto calibration R series dun have. (pls correct me if i'm wrong)  tongue.gif

i dun think there any more new CHT-12R out there...demo set mostly..

Last time i went A&L they say 12Q also have to wait for 1 month..

Cannot say anythin bout REL T1, never audition before.. for me if got $$$ go for REL.. or SVS..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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I really like the REL T1 but just that it have blatting sound when i try it at moderately high volume. I'm not too sure the unit i try is faulty or what.

That leads to to listen more to the 12R which is not bad too and yet much more powerful.
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y not u compare 12-R vs 12-Q vs T1 again??
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Gila... all wanna buy SVS... my 12R also killing my plaster ceiling already... if buy SVS, I won't have roof...


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the 12-R no problem.... but

it is ur plaster ceiling issue:P

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never dare 12-Q... 10-Q oredi make my neighbors thought it gonna thunderstorm... now have to set my sub vol to 25 only.. cry.gif cry.gif

need to cancel plaster ceiling installation for my new crib... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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u serious ??? wat is ur HT area size??? or maybe calibration issue??

so far most of the kaki here no neibor complain.....
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Gila... all wanna buy SVS... my 12R also killing my plaster ceiling already... if buy SVS, I won't have roof...
Congrats on V2...
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See this is a very poisonous threat. If not poisoned kaw kaw by SVS lah, Velo lah now some more got 'subdude' cuming in! rclxub.gif
What is next? Bass generator? laugh.gif
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is the living room... 20' x 15' .. i think to much echo... yeah still need more calibration and sound treatment..

or maybe the house structure itself... u know la Talam.. used cheap2 material...

am considering buying the subdude too... smile.gif
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i guess ur case is " LOUD"

not the sub sonic.... my pariah wafediu also very LOUD...i m so hate of it


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u come & test my 12R lar
I dont think it's LOUD but i still feel the ummmmph
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it is ur plaster ceiling issue:P

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See this is a very poisonous threat. If not poisoned kaw kaw by SVS lah, Velo lah now some more got 'subdude' cuming in!  rclxub.gif
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Wei, watch your Gong Li's NN liao?
Your Paradigm got go lower rumble sound or not??? tongue.gif
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Wei, watch your Gong Li's NN liao?
Your Paradigm got go lower rumble sound or not???  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ May 21 2009, 10:12 PM)
No yet lah!  sad.gif  GF still watching Assthrow korean drama  doh.gif  Have to wait for her to go to sleep around 11.15pm  sad.gif  Only then can watch Gong Li nen nen  drool.gif  & on my paradigm full blast!  tongue.gif
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So is the second hand 12R for RM1500 worth it?
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ May 21 2009, 10:12 PM)
No yet lah!  sad.gif  GF still watching Assthrow korean drama  doh.gif  Have to wait for her to go to sleep around 11.15pm  sad.gif  Only then can watch Gong Li nen nen  drool.gif  & on my paradigm full blast!  tongue.gif
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Walau.. @11:15pm still can full blast your 3400?? your room accoustic must be pretty good then? tongue.gif

Anyway.. from the owner list, I am wondering why there's no NHT owner here hmm.gif

I went audition 12Q and the NHT sub @ A&L IOI today, both 12". 12Q tends to be quite boomy while the NHT produces much more tighter bass than the 12Q and less boomy too. NHT is about RM1K (estimated) more expansive than 12Q. And according to Mr. Hong, the performace of this sub is closer to SPL 10" series shocking.gif Any comment on this sub?
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NHT is 3.8k ??

hmmm SPL1000 i guess 4k++ nie
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http://www.cepro.com/article/now_hear_this_nht_shuts_down/
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not only u.... i m suffer-ing SVS bolster syndrome also now sad.gif  and affecting my work here
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I also can't stop scratching.  flex.gif  ohmy.gif
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What really surprise me is how a different room with different acoustic could affect the sound so much. 

So my problem now is which sub so i buy.  They T1 sound sweet but the blatting noise make me feel very uneasy paying Rm3000 for it.  The CHT-12R definite impress me this time round with its good quality bass and shear power.  Then the seller ask me to take the Velodyne CHT-12R for RM1500 which is a second hand one.  At half the price of the T1, do you guys think its worth it?  In other words, is a second hand 12R worth Rm1500?  Or should I go for a new 12Q at Rm2800?
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RM1500 for used 12R is worth considering IMO. Find out how old it is and test kaw kaw first. I think sub rarely got problem, and at least the shop is giving 6 months warranty.

I wonder how long is Velo warranty in MY. In US the warranty on drivers is five years, the warranty on all amplifiers and electronics is three years. But outside US they say "The warranty of a Velodyne product, if it is sold to a consumer outside of the United States or Canada, shall comply with applicable law and shall be the sole responsibility of the distributor that supplied the product. To obtain any applicable warranty service, please contact the dealer from which you purchased the product, or the distributor that supplied it."

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Last time i went A&L they say 12Q also have to wait for 1 month..
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I've read that also.. but sadly.. Velo warranty in MY one year only... that is what i've been told.. hmm.gif


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12-Q price up or down??
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I've read that also..  but sadly.. Velo warranty in MY one year only... that is what i've been told..  hmm.gif
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Yeah, room acoustics play a huge role in perceived sound quality. 20k worth of equipment in a poor room can sound worse than 10k equipment in a good room.

RM1500 for used 12R is worth considering IMO. Find out how old it is and test kaw kaw first. I think sub rarely got problem, and at least the shop is giving 6 months warranty.

I wonder how long is Velo warranty in MY. In US the warranty on drivers is five years, the warranty on all amplifiers and electronics is three years. But outside US they say "The warranty of a Velodyne product, if it is sold to a consumer outside of the United States or Canada, shall comply with applicable law and shall be the sole responsibility of the distributor that supplied the product. To obtain any applicable warranty service, please contact the dealer from which you purchased the product, or the distributor that supplied it."

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I think 12Q back in stock already.
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I am going to part off my Velodyne CHT-12R (Mint condition), which I bought in Mid Oct 2008 to make way for PC-12Plus
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I am going to part off my Velodyne CHT-12R (Mint condition), which I bought in Mid Oct 2008 to make way for PC-12Plus
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I am going to part off my Velodyne CHT-12R (Mint condition), which I bought in Mid Oct 2008 to make way for PC-12Plus
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In the range of USD1,600 including tax.
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There is more price variation depending on where you buy (I got quoted from 2.8k - 3.2k for the 12Q at 3 different shops) and how much you can bargain.
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Buy 2 got less 5% discount. Buy 2... or more than 10 give more discount???
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NHT is 3.8k ??

hmmm SPL1000 i guess 4k++ nie
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http://www.cepro.com/article/now_hear_this_nht_shuts_down/
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I am going to part off my Velodyne CHT-12R (Mint condition), which I bought in Mid Oct 2008 to make way for PC-12Plus
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u wanto sell ur SPL??  brows.gif
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Guys i heard there r ppl who sell paypal in lowyat forum with a lower US currency rate, y dont u guys pay SVS with paypal?

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the paypal safe bor?? late kena connn... sad.gif
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Guys i heard there r ppl who sell paypal in lowyat forum with a lower US currency rate, y dont u guys pay SVS with paypal?
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SVS accepts CC ma. Just got an email from SVS, telling me they are testing the authenticity (spelling correct?) of my credit card.
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SVS accepts CC ma. Just got an email from SVS, telling me they are testing the authenticity (spelling correct?) of my credit card.
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bro i suggested paypal not bcoz its convinient.. its bcoz i heard got ppl in lowyat who wants to cash out their paypal money.. so they offer a lower rate of usd.. u pay him cash they he transfer money into svs in front of u.. coz they cant cash out their balance of paypal in malaysia.. so when these malaysian sellers sell internationally accepting paypal, they cant cash out. i am also noob in this, this is what my friend told me... any1 can help to clarify?
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arj, you are right. That's what I been told too by SVS.

Are you joining us too to bring down our own home? brows.gif

After PC-12Plus, I think I would try the PC-13Ultra since they told me that my room can take it icon_idea.gif But, need to save more. Puasa for 12months sweat.gif


mys_terious, my friend told me that too. But, we need to check whether SVS accepts paypal. That's a good idea smile.gif

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using cc doesnt give u a cheaper usd rate..
bro i suggested paypal not bcoz its convinient.. its bcoz i heard got ppl in lowyat who wants to cash out their paypal money.. so they offer a lower rate of usd.. u pay him cash they he transfer money into svs in front of u.. coz they cant cash out  their balance of paypal in malaysia.. so when these malaysian sellers sell internationally accepting paypal, they cant cash out.  i am also noob in this, this is what my friend told me... any1 can help to clarify?
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You're correct, there are quite a number of people on LYN who sell paypal below USD market rate. You can do COD or if you think the seller is trustworthy then all can do online. I've traded paypal with several people before (to the tune of over USD1000 altogether) and it's been painless.
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arj, you are right. That's what I been told too by SVS.

Are you joining us too to bring down our own home?  brows.gif 

After PC-12Plus, I think I would try the PC-13Ultra since they told me that my room can take it  icon_idea.gif But, need to save more. Puasa for 12months  sweat.gif
mys_terious, my friend told me that too. But, we need to check whether SVS accepts paypal. That's a good idea  smile.gif
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Apparently not for something as costly as a PC13 Ultra sweat.gif
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i got my quote oledi.... aikss

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By calculation including tax, PB13Ultra is about USD3,430, which is about RM12,213.
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i got my quote oledi.... aikss

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i cant jump la... now counting $$ might get ur 12-R first n sink myself to get a new AVR sad.gif

then when u sell ur 12++ n get ultra... i get ur 12++

anjua?? LENG mor? biggrin.gif
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i cant jump la... now counting $$ might get ur 12-R first n sink myself to get a new AVR sad.gif

then when u sell ur 12++ n get ultra... i get ur 12++

anjua?? LENG mor? biggrin.gif
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sad.gif Kena duped ......

LOL...That makes me the lonely SVS Bolster owner for a while.
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I bought the second hand Velo CHT-12R for RM1300 without warranty. I decided to go without the personal warranty from the seller as its only RM1300.

I try it out in my room with Transformer....so far so good. I have the remote map to the Logitech Harmony but it doesn't work. Where is the infra red receiver located? or maybe the remote function is not working anymore?
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WoW ...deemm cheap for the 12-R

i would get as well biggrin.gif rclxms.gif any more unit?? tongue.gif

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sad.gif Kena duped ......

LOL...That makes me the lonely SVS Bolster owner for a while.
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aikss.. need to spend wisely... a low class peasant sad.gif

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cannot afford SVS BAX -DOOR to DOOR + hiring a runner to settle all these + tax sad.gif


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Let me know, taukeh. Else, I shall post my CHT-12R for sale anytime soon, which comes with a remote and warranty expires on 09 October 2009.
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I bought the second hand Velo CHT-12R for RM1300 without warranty.  I decided to go without the personal warranty from the seller as its only RM1300. 

I try it out in my room with Transformer....so far so good.  I have the remote map to the Logitech Harmony but it doesn't work.  Where is the infra red receiver located? or maybe the remote function is not working anymore?
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that's a good deal on the CHT-12R... thumbup.gif which shop u bought?
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ya..tat would consider as a special "Deal" good deal biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

btw.. any budget buyer looking for a cheap[REAL CHEAP] branded whaffy 10 inchie sub

can PM me ... i m letting gone mine soon smile.gif

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ya..tat would consider as a special "Deal" good deal biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

btw.. any budget buyer looking for a cheap[REAL CHEAP] branded whaffy 10 inchie sub

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let's name it 'REAL cheap cheap [REAL CHEAP] almost FOC DEAL'.. tongue.gif

u wanna scope htkaki's cht-12r or arremie's 10r? or living the bolster dream??? brows.gif tongue.gif

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i wan bolster..... but still on dreaming stage biggrin.gif

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I bought the second hand Velo CHT-12R for RM1300 without warranty.  I decided to go without the personal warranty from the seller as its only RM1300. 

I try it out in my room with Transformer....so far so good.  I have the remote map to the Logitech Harmony but it doesn't work.  Where is the infra red receiver located? or maybe the remote function is not working anymore?
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My Harmony also can control the 10R remote flawlessly.

You'll see the subwoofer's blue light on the left, the IR receiver on the right. nod.gif
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tis case either IR kong or setting problem ...

tun aiman u tak ala buy subdude?
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tis case either IR kong or setting problem ...

tun aiman u tak ala buy subdude?
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How much is this subdude ar? I'm also looking for something similar for my floorstanders. Is there a "speakerdude" ? laugh.gif
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Yes, there are such 'platform' for floorstanders. Subdude around RM300.
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My Harmony also can control the 10R remote flawlessly.

You'll see the subwoofer's blue light on the left, the IR receiver on the right. nod.gif
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tis case either IR kong or setting problem ...

tun aiman u tak ala buy subdude?
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The lR on the right got light or not? I try the pointing the Harmony on the right on still no response. Btw, the Harmony code I use is from the Logitech website which I just use the "add device"....not program thru "learn".
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The lR on the right got light or not?  I try the pointing the Harmony on the right on still no response.  Btw, the Harmony code I use is from the Logitech website which I just use the "add device"....not program thru "learn".
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No lights. It's already in Harmony's database? At my time it was not, I just used the learning method. Maybe the IR receiver on your subwoofer is faulty. hmm.gif
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lightning69 can't use the learning method because his sub did not come with the remote control.
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my Harmony also works flawlessly with my velo setup from Logitech's database. If yours not working, most likely the velo's remote function is broken-that's why sold cheaply?
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maybe the light on 12-R turn-off??
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my Harmony also works flawlessly with my velo setup from Logitech's database. If yours not working, most likely the velo's remote function is broken-that's why sold cheaply?
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have u ever tried control using velo remote?? go n pinjam smile.gif
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lightning69 can't use the learning method because his sub did not come with the remote control.
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*Scratching itchy hands* Bolster, oh my bolster..... tongue.gif
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this bolster sindrome maybe a 'kurap' things, since all got itchy hands tongue.gif

me n those who dare to dream only... cry.gif
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Yes, that's the main problem. I dont think you could learn the signal from the sub's IR, right?

*Scratching itchy hands* Bolster, oh my bolster.....  tongue.gif
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To all svs fans who r not in a rush to get their svs i MIGHT be able to get a big discount through MO.. i am meeting the guy this Friday to get more info.. so if u r not in a rush u might wanna wait for another week and see the MO can jadi or not
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Sure let us know more info about the MO when u find out. I'm kinda on the fence but if you can get big discount then that would persuade me. smile.gif

This is locally organised MO or via Singapore?
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Sure let us know more info about the MO when u find out. I'm kinda on the fence but if you can get big discount then that would persuade me. smile.gif

This is locally organised MO or via Singapore?
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good news

HUGE discount?? fat or thin hope? sad.gif
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The Poor-Man's Subdude

The talk about the Subdude made me experiment with DIY my own since I discovered I had some material lying around. Really all u need is 2 items: the platform and the feet.

For the platform you need something rigid. I remembered I had a piece of 2'x2' 20mm granite slab spare. You can also get MDF board or plywood, etc. But the real key item is the feet. How do I know this - because I first experimented with just putting the granite slab on the floor and the sub on it. Not much effect since nothing to absorb the vibrations (the granite is after all very hard).

For the feet I remembered that the packaging foam that came with the FCC 2 was a very firm/dense type. It's not styrofoam (too hard) nor the usual type of foam (too soft & airy). So I placed 2 pieces under the granite. The result: sub is less boomy now, bass is tighter, my plaster ceiling rattles less. In fact I'm able to turn up my sub volume. Previously volume at 35 was the threshold before ceiling rattles. Now can push to 40, so can enjoy louder! biggrin.gif This validates the effect of the real Subdude and also demonstrates that it can be DIY easily (of course I'm not saying my DIY version is as good as the real thing). The key is to find the right foam.

Here's the pic of my poor-man's Subdude:

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Very nice bro! You've got some skills. thumbup.gif
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Thanks, but there is no real skill involved. Just have to find the materials, put platform on top of foam and that's it.

If skill comes in, it would be to beautify the thing. Like sewing fabric to cover the foam/platform. That's one reason why I'm happy I found the granite platform - it looks good as is, no need to beautify some more. If I had chosen MDF board, it would be more plain.

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The Poor-Man's Subdude

The talk about the Subdude made me experiment with DIY my own since I discovered I had some material lying around. Really all u need is 2 items: the platform and the feet.

For the platform you need something rigid. I remembered I had a piece of 2'x2' 20mm granite slab spare. You can also get MDF board or plywood, etc. But the real key item is the feet. How do I know this - because I first experimented with just putting the granite slab on the floor and the sub on it. Not much effect since nothing to absorb the vibrations (the granite is after all very hard).

For the feet I remembered that the packaging foam that came with the FCC 2 was a very firm/dense type. It's not styrofoam (too hard) nor the usual type of foam (too soft & airy). So I placed 2 pieces under the granite. The result: sub is less boomy now, bass is tighter, my plaster ceiling rattles less. In fact I'm able to turn up my sub volume. Previously volume at 35 was the threshold before ceiling rattles. Now can push to 40, so can enjoy louder! biggrin.gif This validates the effect of the real Subdude and also demonstrates that it can be DIY easily (of course I'm not saying my DIY version is as good as the real thing). The key is to find the right foam.

Here's the pic of my poor-man's Subdude:

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Hehehe....i think i got the material u list, i should try it when i m free..... thx bro. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(mys_terious @ May 25 2009, 04:48 PM)
To all svs fans who r not in a rush to get their svs i MIGHT be able to get a big discount through MO.. i am meeting the guy this Friday to get more info.. so if u r not in a rush u might wanna wait for another week and see the MO can jadi or not
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Bro, really hope that u can make it.... thumbup.gif

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WoW nice...

SG MO is about SGD1200 for the entry level bolster ...belom kira transport n pulau kettam fee sad.gif
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QUOTE(Barricade @ May 21 2009, 11:06 AM)
Link to v1

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/725192
The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club (updated 13/5/2009)

B&W

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ASW300
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HSU Research

1225
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KLIPSCH

RW-12D
Nakata101

MONITOR AUDIO

BRW-10
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Genie 409W
mikapoh

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
SiriuslyCold

PS1200
fevercrash

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DSP-3400
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PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
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REL

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SVS

PB12-NSD
mys_terious

PC 20-39+
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PC-12+
(Coming very soon)  rclxms.gif
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ARJ
NAKATA101
robinlim (next upgrade in far future......)

VELODYNE

CHT-10R
Sunauto
Aiman04
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suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj

CHT-12R
mpyw
splee8868
arj
albertonia
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WCH69
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Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
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Howie
gizmodo

CHT-10Q
robinlim
Kevin
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CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
state of abyssmal
eugenengkarmeng

DD-12
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SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd

SPL-1200R
jwyj cheers.gif
pratt cheers.gif  cheers.gif

Impact-12

Optimum-12

VA 68/79 XII
choontoy

WHARFEDALE

SW150
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HSU STF-3 owner here
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how much u bought? any reviews?
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B&W

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HSU Research

1225
rizzo8
STF-2
craven dusk

KLIPSCH

RW-12D
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ah_chak

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HornyAngMoh

PROFICIENT AUDIO

10
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REL

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SVS

PB12-NSD
mys_terious
PC 20-39+
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(Coming very soon) rclxms.gif
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VELODYNE

CHT-10R
sunauto
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Hackwire
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CHT-12R
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splee8868
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albertonia
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timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
Slicardo
Howie
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CHT-10Q
robinlim
Kevin
eugenengkarmeng
CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
state of abyssmal
eugenengkarmeng
DD-12
Pierreye
SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd
SPL-1200R
jwyj
pratt
VA 68/79 XII
choontoy
Impact-12
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Optimum-12
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WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007
Jediknight8820

Barricade, appreciate if you can copy this and paste in the first post. The links to the official websites have been updated.
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QUOTE(jchong @ May 25 2009, 06:47 PM)
The Poor-Man's Subdude

The talk about the Subdude made me experiment with DIY my own since I discovered I had some material lying around. Really all u need is 2 items: the platform and the feet.

For the platform you need something rigid. I remembered I had a piece of 2'x2' 20mm granite slab spare. You can also get MDF board or plywood, etc. But the real key item is the feet. How do I know this - because I first experimented with just putting the granite slab on the floor and the sub on it. Not much effect since nothing to absorb the vibrations (the granite is after all very hard).

For the feet I remembered that the packaging foam that came with the FCC 2 was a very firm/dense type. It's not styrofoam (too hard) nor the usual type of foam (too soft & airy). So I placed 2 pieces under the granite. The result: sub is less boomy now, bass is tighter, my plaster ceiling rattles less. In fact I'm able to turn up my sub volume. Previously volume at 35 was the threshold before ceiling rattles. Now can push to 40, so can enjoy louder! biggrin.gif This validates the effect of the real Subdude and also demonstrates that it can be DIY easily (of course I'm not saying my DIY version is as good as the real thing). The key is to find the right foam.

Here's the pic of my poor-man's Subdude:

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I am going to meet up with one acoustic foam / industrial grade foam supplier this week. I will take the subdude and show them since I saw that their products are near identical to it. Maybe can produce something similar to Auralex but at 'affordable' price (if there is a market for this). I do hope that I don't make life difficult for other hi-fi shops blush.gif


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I am going to meet up with one acoustic foam / industrial grade foam supplier this week. I will take the subdude and show them since I saw that their products are near identical to it. Maybe can produce something similar to Auralex but at 'affordable' price (if there is a market for this). I do hope that I don't make life difficult for other hi-fi shops  blush.gif
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No..no. I want some cheap cheap one (maybe RM30 a piece drool.gif brows.gif ) to put under my center & front tongue.gif
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Probably not easy to get it that cheap if it is audio grade which will not 'disintegrate' (flake) and the foam is quite sturdy to withstand heavy items. Substandard foam would probably out of shape after some time.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 26 2009, 08:40 AM)
I am going to meet up with one acoustic foam / industrial grade foam supplier this week. I will take the subdude and show them since I saw that their products are near identical to it. Maybe can produce something similar to Auralex but at 'affordable' price (if there is a market for this). I do hope that I don't make life difficult for other hi-fi shops  blush.gif
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Great!

Anyway, this is called competition mah so consumers benefit.
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Good effort there Htkaki. rclxms.gif

Turns out there is Speakerdude from Auralex, but it's too small for my fronts. Do the local shops have this? Or the Mopads?

Maybe I'll just drop by marble shop and have them custom made the granite into a plinth. My fronts already got spikes on shoes, so the decoupling is already there. But it's too ugly standing on the bare floor.
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What I do is get those cutting board from Jusco (RM 15 per piece) which is quite heavy and solid. Then to raise it from the floor, I use those silicon feet you you get from DIY shop (for chair) and stick below it. Imaging does improve a bit. Previously I had problem where my speaker is not really stable on my carpet due to uneven pattern plus thick rubber underlay.
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What I do is get those cutting board from Jusco (RM 15 per piece) which is quite heavy and solid. Then to raise it from the floor, I use those silicon feet you you get from DIY shop (for chair) and stick below it. Imaging does improve a bit. Previously I had problem where my speaker is not really stable on my carpet due to uneven pattern plus thick rubber underlay.
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You mean those wooden vegetable cutting board? Good idea.

Do you find those silicon feet provide enough isolation, compared to a big piece of foam underneath? I'm thinking what to experiment with next.
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QUOTE(jchong @ May 26 2009, 10:32 AM)
You mean those wooden vegetable cutting board? Good idea.

Do you find those silicon feet provide enough isolation, compared to a big piece of foam underneath? I'm thinking what to experiment with next.
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Yup. Vege cutting board. If you use foam, you should cut out 2 strips and stick to each side. You want maximum isolation from the floor so the less contact you have the better. Not sure which one is better as I just use whatever material available to test out the effect.
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Can I show you mine?

I use the soft ball toys. Under the Sub & players.






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Can I show you mine?

I use the soft ball toys. Under the Sub & players.
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Wow! So far the best DIY idea here! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Now I think I better go & buy some ball for my Para sub. I have try form before, didn't work as it is too heavy, now it is sitting on 4 thick book. blush.gif
Do post up so more DIY project. Saving some $$$$ is always my aim. Tq very much & have a very nice day to all sifu here.
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ May 26 2009, 05:36 PM)
Wow! So far the best DIY idea here!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  Now I think I better go & buy some ball for my Para sub. I have try form before, didn't work as it is too heavy, now it is sitting on 4 thick book. blush.gif
Do post up so more DIY project. Saving some $$$$ is always my aim. Tq very much & have a very nice day to all sifu here.
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jwjy, it would be no match for your SPL lah. Everytime audition SPL-1200R, I felt my CHT-12R is underpowered sad.gif Must hide mine sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jwyj @ May 26 2009, 05:29 PM)
Can I show you mine?

I use the soft ball toys. Under the Sub & players.
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Ingenious idea. rclxms.gif That's what makes us a community of enthusiasts.
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Other than toy balls, we can also use squash balls..
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jwjy, it would be no match for your SPL lah. Everytime audition SPL-1200R, I felt my CHT-12R is underpowered sad.gif Must hide mine  sweat.gif
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CHT-15R also no match for SPL-12? Hear first, hear first.... nod.gif Eh, when your SVS arriving. In my next visit to KL, please spare some time and bring me to your showroom or your house. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(jwyj @ May 26 2009, 09:27 PM)
CHT-15R also no match for SPL-12? Hear first, hear first....  nod.gif  Eh, when your SVS arriving. In my next visit to KL, please spare some time and bring me to your showroom or your house.  rclxms.gif
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From what I heard SPL-12 is a class above CHT-15R can dig very low wan! rclxms.gif He! He! If u wan to up-grade then go for the Velo DD class. biggrin.gif Or go for SVS PB ultra 13! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(jwyj @ May 26 2009, 09:27 PM)
CHT-15R also no match for SPL-12? Hear first, hear first....  nod.gif  Eh, when your SVS arriving. In my next visit to KL, please spare some time and bring me to your showroom or your house.  rclxms.gif
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The CHT-15R isn't a power house compare to SPL-1200R. The probable advantage of CHT15R could be a tad fuller bass due to its size.

When my SVS is here, I will definitely post it up for you all. I bet it would bring me a whole new experience since it go dig real low. Jwyj, you are welcome (no antidote) whistling.gif



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when is ur bolster coming?? biggrin.gif
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post May 26 2009, 11:49 PM

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I hope the bolster arrived after I collect my malaz. Can't afford to get poisoned now sweat.gif
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or maybe 1 day b4 or on the same day? tongue.gif

I also wanto admire the bolster biggrin.gif
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Wah, everybody upgrade. Poor me just got my 12R...somemore used one.
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I hope the bolster arrived after I collect my malaz. Can't afford to get poisoned now sweat.gif
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when is ur bolster coming??  biggrin.gif


The bolsters will be in by mid next week wink.gif UPS is handling it sweat.gif sad.gif
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nvm la boss...slow n steady.... next week u kao tim oledi.... got time me n mpyw pigi audition tongue.gif
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Wah, everybody upgrade.  Poor me just got my 12R...somemore used one.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 27 2009, 08:31 AM)
Oh I see.... If that's the case, I will call that guy in SVS and tell them to ship asap as I want it to be here before Sat  laugh.gif (bloody bad for poisoning people)
The bolsters will be in by mid next week  wink.gif UPS is handling it  sweat.gif  sad.gif
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I think all the regulars are just as excited as you to see, touch and listen to your svs. Can invite us all to audition? whistling.gif
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No problem but no antidote.

Most likely to do a shootout with CHT-12R and SPL-1200R to see how SVS fares. I WILL surely post the review to you all tongue.gif (aiyoyo... poison u all again blush.gif )
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One thing I hate about our country is that we don't have much choice and if it ever comes to our shore, its damn expensive.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 27 2009, 09:16 AM)
No problem but no antidote.

Most likely to do a shootout with CHT-12R and SPL-1200R to see how SVS fares. I WILL surely post the review to you all  tongue.gif  (aiyoyo... poison u all again  blush.gif )
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Wow! A shoot out! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Now that is a very good 'project' to do. hmm.gif But I think SPL & SVS might have similar result with SPL being slightly better with better feature. OMG I am so sexited! rclxms.gif PLS PLS do the shoot out quickly. thumbup.gif
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Here's the review :

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/svs_pc12_plus.htm

I shall reserve my comment on the SPL 1st until a proper shootout is being carried out.
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wanto see how SVS PC12+ smash velodie like a fly?? biggrin.gif tongue.gif

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I belive callmevil did a review between the midrange svs bolster that he owns and a friend's 12" velo spl somewhere in the v1 of this thread. His impression was that svs is the clear winner when it comes to movies while the velo spl have the upper hand for music nod.gif

I wonder what happened to that dude. Haven't seen him around for quite some time already hmm.gif
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I belive callmevil did a review between the midrange svs bolster that he owns and a friend's 12" velo spl somewhere in the v1 of this thread. His impression was that svs is the clear winner when it comes to movies while the velo spl have the upper hand for music nod.gif

I wonder what happened to that dude. Haven't seen him around for quite some time already hmm.gif
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then ur 1200SPL how ar?? biggrin.gif

or maybe the person doesnt exist at all? tongue.gif *joking*

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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 27 2009, 09:47 AM)
Here's the review :

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/svs_pc12_plus.htm

I shall reserve my comment on the SPL 1st until a proper shootout is being carried out.
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Aiyoh! After reading this review..................I get 'sub flu'! cry.gif Ok I better contro myself 'kaw kaw' economy not good, business no good so MUST NOT UP-GRADE SUB!!! sweat.gif

But I think very hard to cure 'sub flu' especially for a bass nut like me. Luckily HTLeg live very very far away in KL. biggrin.gif If he is my neighbor then I will be poisoned everyday shocking.gif ! Every day 'up-grading'! sad.gif
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Aiyoh! After reading this review..................I get 'sub flu'! cry.gif  Ok I better contro myself 'kaw kaw' economy not good, business no good so MUST NOT UP-GRADE SUB!!! sweat.gif

But I think very hard to cure 'sub flu' especially for a bass nut like me. Luckily HTLeg live very very far away in KL.  biggrin.gif  If he is my neighbor then I will be poisoned everyday  shocking.gif  ! Every day 'up-grading'!  sad.gif
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Eh....he can arrange to ship to Sarawak u know tongue.gif
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ya...it is called BEIS...

bolster emotion influence sympthon.....

Added on May 27, 2009, 1:47 pmmonster ! biggrin.gif

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To all svs fans who r not in a rush to get their svs i MIGHT be able to get a big discount through MO.. i am meeting the guy this Friday to get more info.. so if u r not in a rush u might wanna wait for another week and see the MO can jadi or not
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I've got an interesting story...

I found out that my old sub is half-dead after being kept in the box for a few years. What to do next? Thanks to all poison here, I bought a new one.

To cut the story short, when I eagerly switch-on the sub at home... the display didn't light up, test the speaker tone also no sound... There was no output at all. My face turned to white already... The next day I send the sub back to the shop. Turn out, the fuse has burnt to bits & pieces! The sub even managed to power trip the whole showroom. That's the first time I've seen such thing happen! Luckily, I've got my replacement sub on the same day.

So, lesson no 1: Don't keep an active sub boxed for too long. No 2: Reputable brand plus high price do not equal to good QC

Hopefully for my next project, I would not suffer similar headache & heart attack...
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ May 27 2009, 03:59 PM)
Do let us know your finding... hmm.gif  thanks!
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Brothers and sisters i have good but not great news yet as there is still there are still a few things to settle. I have called Erik (svs) and up to now he is ok with my arrangement. If jadi, the MO will be done using sea freight. I will be using my friend's left over container space to send the over the subwoofers so we are saving on freight cost.
Below are my rough calculation

Normal price plus tax to your door steps

Pc12Plus price=USD949 USD350 door to door
FULL price =USD949+350=USD1299
TAX 30% X USD 1299 =USD 389
FULL PRICE TO YOUR DOOR =USD1688 OR (X 3.6) =RM6076.8

MO price to your door steps will be = RM5000
Rough Savings =Rm1000




PB12Plus - USD450 door to door
FULL PRICE=USD1139+450=USD1589
TAX 30% X USD 1589 =USD476
FULL PRICE TO YOUR DOOR=USD2065 OR (X3.6)= RM7434

MO price to your door steps will be =RM5800
Rough savings =RM1634



PB12NSD
full price to your door steps=RM3832
MO PRICE TO YOUR DOOR=RM3150
Rough savings =RM 682



Advantages of the MO (if jadi)
1) Hassle free sent to your door step. If you buy door to airport and fail to pick within few days (forgot how many days already) then a daily storage fee will be applied. If your car couldnt fit in then you will have to arrange for transportation from the airport to your house. You will also have to meet the custom officers. In short you waste quite some time and money at the airport.

2) Cheaper

Disadvantages
1) Should have to wait longer since it is sea freight (will find out the details if MO jadi)
2) I might run away with your money (will workout something if MO jadi)




There is a BIG catch as we can only get the savings mentioned above with a 20units of svs. Less orders means less savings.

Anyway there is no point getting too excited or worried as i cant even promise u guys if the MO can be done or not. If i miss out any calculation or calculated wrongly pls feel free to point out to me.
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PB12NSD dooor to dooor RM3150! I want one!
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interesting savings but to collect 20 orders might be difficult considering the large sums needed.

Btw, how long will sea freight take to arrive?
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PB12NSD dooor to dooor RM3150!  I want one!
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sea ship need 3 moons ker?? can ship other speakers inside bor?
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sea ship need 3 moons ker?? can ship other speakers inside bor?
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can ship svs speakers only.. u can have a look at their speakers in their website
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PB12NSD
full price to your door steps=RM3832
MO PRICE TO YOUR DOOR=RM3150
Rough savings                =RM 682
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Count me in when the deal is confirmed.
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i guess i can buy the JL audio cover first n admire ...kakaka

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FUYOOOO!!!!! Tun Mega really good in disguise. Suddenly, aiming for JL Audio's King of Sub F113 notworthy.gif Velo DD can park aside sweat.gif IIRC, only PB-13Ultra came close to it sweat.gif

This KING (apart from Wilson Benesch's Torus Infrasonic Generator) was being mentioned in V1 numerous times. I bet jchong is also being 'intoxicated' by it whistling.gif

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taukeh HTKAKI...

u see me too way up la...just like the new summer cartoon "UP"
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ May 27 2009, 10:57 AM)
Aiyoh! After reading this review..................I get 'sub flu'! cry.gif  Ok I better contro myself 'kaw kaw' economy not good, business no good so MUST NOT UP-GRADE SUB!!! sweat.gif

But I think very hard to cure 'sub flu' especially for a bass nut like me. Luckily HTLeg live very very far away in KL.  biggrin.gif  If he is my neighbor then I will be poisoned everyday  shocking.gif  ! Every day 'up-grading'!  sad.gif
If you are my neighbour hmm.gif , I will not only poison you with subwoofer brows.gif I will slowly poison you to get good floorstanders, power amp, etc laugh.gif


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Eh....he can arrange to ship to Sarawak u know 


mpyw is RIGHT! Can ship to your doorstep.


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taukeh HTKAKI...

u see me too way up la...just like the new summer cartoon "UP"
Of course mah. Elite wor

My SVS aint here but I have some soon-to-be-poisoned members lining up already laugh.gif


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bro like i said dont get too excited as nothing is concrete yet
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ May 27 2009, 07:15 PM)
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PB12Plus - USD450 door to door
FULL PRICE=USD1139+450=USD1589
TAX 30% X USD 1589        =USD476
FULL PRICE TO YOUR DOOR=USD2065 OR (X3.6)= RM7434

MO price to your door steps will be                     =RM5800
Rough savings                                                  =RM1634
So this MO price is inclusive of tax if there is any? And it will not be more than this MO price, right?

Added on May 28, 2009, 10:15 am
QUOTE(Peirreye @ May 18 2009, 09:21 AM)
If you got jalan, get a group buy and use shipping in container (which you can either buy half or full container load). Sometimes they have ways with custom to "ignore" tax.
Also, has your friend got "jalan" to let the tax be "forgotton"? blush.gif

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[quote=geforce1999,May 28 2009, 09:52 AM]
So this MO price is inclusive of tax if there is any? And it will not be more than this MO price, right?

Added on May 28, 2009, 10:15 am



MO price stated is all inclusive. Price shouldnt be more then MO price mentioned. Lets leave it as it is ok as i shouldnt have even posted anything unless everything is 100percent sure. But this taukeh htkaki la, buy subwoofer like buy bak chang suddenly order 2 biji so i was worried too many of u bought liao then we cant even get enough ppl for the MO (if it can be done) and i also cant fulfill my svs ultra dream.

I hope u all would spare me the bashing if the MO doesnt happen but i am really trying my best as i also wanna get 1 and up to now most of the obstacles have been solved.
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So.. how about you open a thread with the model numbers and we start filling in our names? See if we can get 20 names or not.

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I want sunfire sub.  drool.gif
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MO price stated is all inclusive. Price shouldnt be more then MO price mentioned. Lets leave it as it is ok as i shouldnt have even posted anything unless everything is 100percent sure. But this taukeh htkaki la, buy subwoofer like buy bak chang suddenly order 2 biji so i was worried too many of u bought liao then we cant even get enough ppl for the MO (if it can be done) and i also cant fulfill my svs ultra dream.

I hope u all would spare me the bashing if the MO doesnt happen but i am really trying my best as i also wanna get 1 and up to now most of the obstacles have been solved.


sad.gif Actually hor, I am also thinking to get a full 20' container load in. Not for me lah. Too early for now. You go ahead first wink.gif

Bro, I save for many light years to get it sad.gif Aint a taukeh like many of you here.
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Guys..20 buyers ..thats alot of money..just beware dont end up ship "Hijacked" by pirates and end up somewhere in Somalia..
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Here I present, please fill in your name

The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)


PC12Plus

1)
2)
3)

PB12Plus

1)
2)
3)

PB12NDS

1) lightning69 ?
2) lexonline ?
3)

and other models? Oh,oh my company blocked the SVS wesite. sad.gif

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Shipping delay is no problem for me as my AV room will only be ready in a couple months time. Anyway thanks for the head up and not to worry, I believe no one will blame you if the MO doesn't on, we all know how MO works: it needs quantity to be Mass Order and it alwasy happens if we don't have enough headcount. Anyway, we can always buy direct, right? smile.gif

Added on May 28, 2009, 11:58 amOk, I will place my name for one unit of PB12+ first... see how it goes.

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[quote=mys_terious,May 28 2009, 10:50 AM]
[quote=geforce1999,May 28 2009, 09:52 AM]
So this MO price is inclusive of tax if there is any? And it will not be more than this MO price, right?

Added on May 28, 2009, 10:15 am
MO price stated is all inclusive. Price shouldnt be more then MO price mentioned. Lets leave it as it is ok as i shouldnt have even posted anything unless everything is 100percent sure. But this taukeh htkaki la, buy subwoofer like buy bak chang suddenly order 2 biji so i was worried too many of u bought liao then we cant even get enough ppl for the MO (if it can be done) and i also cant fulfill my svs ultra dream.

I hope u all would spare me the bashing if the MO doesnt happen but i am really trying my best as i also wanna get 1 and up to now most of the obstacles have been solved.
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Thanks for this MO attempt. Yes, I will support the MO (hopefully can save enough at current stituation). This is really deep poisoning. sad.gif

Can you help to check if the AS-EQ1 can be in MO? I am having the ultra dream as well. smile.gif What will be the PC13 MO price?
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jwjy, why aimed for entry level? You should go for PB/PC-12Plus and above.
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QUOTE(jwyj @ May 28 2009, 11:44 AM)
Here I present, please fill in your name

The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)
PC12Plus

1)
2)
3)

PB12Plus

1)
2)
3)

PB12NDS

1) lightning69 ?
2) lexonline
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Thanks jwyj for the list. I was thinking to create one here. smile.gif Please remove the question mark if you are a serious buyer.
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QUOTE(jwyj @ May 28 2009, 11:44 AM)
The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)

PC12Plus

1)
2)
3)

PB12Plus

1) geforce1999
2) jwyj
3)

PB12NDS

1) lightning69 ?
2) lexonline
3)

AS-EQ1??

1) Jack28HT?
2)

PC-13 PLUS

1)
2)
3)

PB-13 ULTRA

1)
2)
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I have auditioned it before. For the price, sadly to say that it aint quite live up to my expectation  sweat.gif For the money, IMHO there are better subwoofers out there.
Oh! i think I'm attracted by its "look". The huge rubber around it's cone. biggrin.gif

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No intention to be a spoiler, I really hope this project would happen soon.
Just don't forget the freight insurance. My friend sent back his ht system from the states. Somehow water can seep thru the container. Fortunately the water only ruined the boxes. His deftech BP10s were spared.

We just want our system to be in good working condition. Good luck guys.
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hi jwyj bro.... I should be getting pb12+ not pc12+
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hi jwyj bro.... I should be getting pb12+ not pc12+
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Question, if I want a sub for both music and HT, which one do I consider? What is the price range for these little monsters? I don't want something that goes "ka-booooom"!
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or play boom boom pow? biggrin.gif just joking biggrin.gif
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CAn point me to any pro review of the NDS before I fully commit?



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QUOTE(emk @ May 28 2009, 03:14 PM)
No intention to be a spoiler, I really hope this project would happen soon.
Just don't forget the freight insurance. My friend sent back his ht system from the states. Somehow water can seep thru the container. Fortunately the water only ruined the boxes. His deftech BP10s were spared.

We just want our system to be in good working condition. Good luck guys.
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thanx for the advice.. i will certainly check the insurance price..

Just to let u guys know the higher model u buy the more u save coz we r saving on freight cost and a bit on tax.


pls add 1 pc13utlra to the list for me
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since all getting high end ....who's getting low end? biggrin.gif

kidding... no one going for JL AUDIO? yawn.gif
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Yay! Finally, there is a PC-13Ultra in the list. Bro, are you ditching your entry level SVS? Sure many q up for this.
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Question, if I want a sub for both music and HT, which one do I consider? What is the price range for these little monsters? I don't want something that goes "ka-booooom"!
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For musical sub, normally you need to get sealed sub such as Velodyne DD.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 28 2009, 06:35 PM)
For musical sub, normally you need to get sealed sub such as Velodyne DD.
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Thanks, and this DD would set me back by how much?

Added on May 28, 2009, 8:27 pm
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For musical sub, normally you need to get sealed sub such as Velodyne DD.
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Ok I just found out the prices...lucky I had nothing in my mouth, or I would have choked and upped everything in my bowels!

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QUOTE(mys_terious @ May 28 2009, 10:50 AM)
MO price stated is all inclusive.  Price shouldnt be more then MO price mentioned.  Lets leave it as it is ok as i shouldnt have even posted anything unless everything is 100percent sure.  But this taukeh htkaki la, buy subwoofer like buy bak chang suddenly order 2 biji so i was worried too many of u bought liao then we cant even get enough ppl for the MO (if it can be done) and i also cant fulfill my svs ultra dream.

I hope u all would spare me the bashing if the MO doesnt happen but i am really trying my best as i also wanna get 1 and up to now most of the obstacles have been solved.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 28 2009, 06:35 PM)
For musical sub, normally you need to get sealed sub such as Velodyne DD.
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Between SPL Ultra and DD series which one is better and newer? I'm getting really interested in SPL Ultra sweat.gif
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SPL Ultra newer but DD come with servo control which velodyne claim to be better for musical sub. I read in a forum mention SPL 12R is louder than DD-12 but DD-12 win in it can go lower and more control. You can set the servo control level in the menu for each profile between 1 - 8. 1 for less servo control and 8 for max control which is the best for music. So if you mostly use your sub for movie, then get an SPL-12. If you want more musical sub, get DD-12. Just send an email to Velodyne stated down your room size and your priority. They will advice you the right model to choose. I think they quite pro in the sense that they don't always upsell you the equipment.
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SPL = LOUD

DD = digital sub = more controlled


but again SPL more controlled than CHT sad.gif
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 28 2009, 10:21 PM)
SPL Ultra newer but DD come with servo control which velodyne claim to be better for musical sub. I read in a forum mention SPL 12R is louder than DD-12 but DD-12 win in it can go lower and more control. You can set the servo control level in the menu for each profile between 1 - 8. 1 for less servo control and 8 for max control which is the best for music. So if you mostly use your sub for movie, then get an SPL-12. If you want more musical sub, get DD-12. Just send an email to Velodyne stated down your room size and your priority. They will advice you the right model to choose. I think they quite pro in the sense that they don't always upsell you the equipment.
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Thanks bro. Who else can explain it better than the owner of DD itself notworthy.gif
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Anyone know pricing for SPL series?

If want a sealed sub SVS have the SB12-Plus brows.gif

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1000SPL ultra -5k+
12000SPL ultra 7k+

correct me if i m wrong

but last heard .... sg can get below 5kRM after conversion for 12 inchie one
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I wonder how the SPL compares to the SVS SB12-Plus?

If come in via MO, I think the SB12-Plus maybe around 3.5k.
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SVS 12+ sure handle movies better the SPL....
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You guys are a bunch of bass crazy freaks! notworthy.gif

I wish I own a money-printing facility too. tongue.gif
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we shall wait n see next week

how HTKAKI taukeh punya bolster eats velodie for breakfast tongue.gif
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ May 29 2009, 08:13 AM)
we shall wait n see next week

how HTKAKI taukeh punya bolster eats velodie for breakfast tongue.gif
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It sld here by Thurs / Fri as there is a slight delay since I made some last minute changes. Anyway, hope can get it out on next Friday and bring it home since 06.06 is a National Holiday thumbup.gif

For those who are coming on that day, I do not have any anti-dote for you guys whistling.gif
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how good if friday holiday...then we can have longer weekend sad.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 29 2009, 08:40 AM)
It sld here by Thurs / Fri as there is a slight delay since I made some last minute changes. Anyway, hope can get it out on next Friday and bring it home since 06.06 is a National Holiday  thumbup.gif 

For those who are coming on that day, I do not have any anti-dote for you guys  whistling.gif
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Nice! thumbup.gif

So did they accept your CC or have to pay by bank transfer? hmm.gif
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how good if friday holiday...then we can have longer weekend sad.gif
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As usual, my company takes Friday as the public holiday when the date falls on a Saturday. rclxms.gif
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Nice! thumbup.gif

So did they accept your CC or have to pay by bank transfer? hmm.gif
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Since the amount is quite substantial, they do not accept CC. Wired the money over to them.

Now, have to wait patiently. MPV on standby liao blush.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 29 2009, 08:40 AM)
It sld here by Thurs / Fri as there is a slight delay since I made some last minute changes. Anyway, hope can get it out on next Friday and bring it home since 06.06 is a National Holiday  thumbup.gif 

For those who are coming on that day, I do not have any anti-dote for you guys  whistling.gif
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can I come? no antidote no problem
btw, I dunno ur place laugh.gif
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Since the amount is quite substantial, they do not accept CC. Wired the money over to them.

Now, have to wait patiently. MPV on standby liao  blush.gif
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Great! drool.gif wired the $ is safer for both parties smile.gif
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For those who are coming on that day, I do not have any anti-dote for you guys  whistling.gif
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Better stay away. Already my wallet feeling itchy biggrin.gif If come really no antidote. tongue.gif
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Anyone know pricing for SPL series?


Price from A&L.
>SPL - Ultra 1000 - RM 5650
> SPL - Ultra 1200 - RM 6750
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I wonder how the SPL compares to the SVS SB12-Plus?


Maybe i can bring the SPL-U to our Bro HTKaki there to test it out...... hmm.gif ?
I also wonder how's the performance .

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Price from A&L.
>SPL - Ultra 1000 - RM 5650
> SPL - Ultra 1200 - RM 6750
(Price subjected to change without prior notice)
Maybe i can bring the  SPL-U to our Bro HTKaki there to test it out...... hmm.gif ?
I also wonder how's the performance .
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Thanks for the pricing info.

Which model of SPL do you own? Yeah, a test between your SPL and the SVS would be great.
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Which model of SPL do you own? Yeah, a test between your SPL and the SVS would be great.
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Mine is SPL - Ultra -1200.
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can I come? no antidote no problem
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No problemo smile.gif My HT room is small. So, will be a bit cramp since almost a batallion is coming over.


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Maybe i can bring the SPL-U to our Bro HTKaki there to test it out......  ? hmm.gif
I also wonder how's the performance .


thumbup.gif That would be GREAT!

Shall we set it on 06.06?
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megatron007, put you on the PC12-NSD, ok?

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another poison for you guys with such geng sub is audyssey sub equaliser such as SVS AS-EQ1 subwoofer EQ (coming soon). Room correction for sub is much more important as low wave freq had long standing wave.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 29 2009, 12:58 PM)
another poison for you guys with such geng sub is audyssey sub equaliser such as SVS AS-EQ1 subwoofer EQ (coming soon). Room correction for sub is much more important as low wave freq had long standing wave.
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Yeah, seen some curves on the correction, looks pretty awesome. Especially for those who intend to use more than sub. You can already buy it thru other means, not that pricey if I remember correctly.
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SPL1200 vs SVS 12+

i wanto "Watch" the show also biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 29 2009, 12:15 PM)
No problemo  smile.gif  My HT room is small. So, will be a bit cramp since almost a batallion is coming over.
the batallion + powerful sub will make ur room like a war room laugh.gif

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SPL1200 vs SVS 12+

i wanto "Watch" the show also biggrin.gif
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wah, SPL1200 vs SVS 12+
a very anticipated showdown, just like Man Utd vs Barcelona laugh.gif
hope the result won't be one side down like the match doh.gif

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If I have time, then I will have a showdown with SPL-1200R first before the Saturday BIG day.
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All I want to know is when can I receive my SVS PB12-NSD. biggrin.gif
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If I have time, then I will have a showdown with SPL-1200R first before the Saturday BIG day.
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So many people going to your cinema.
Nanti the walls pecah... biggrin.gif
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ALL, the show is in seremban biggrin.gif

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ALL, the show is in seremban biggrin.gif

finish oledi... all can go makan hakka noodle tongue.gif
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then tapao seremban siew pao balik laugh.gif
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Wow...... Frankly speaking, I didn't expect such a big group. sweat.gif

Anyway, need to arrange as my HT room aint a cinema to fit in a batallion. Could you guys put your name here (only those confirmed)

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what is the time of the showdown?
I'll be going there on my own as that day I'm going to in-law's place in Melaka
will arrange to drop by laugh.gif
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later after htkaki poison, your 10R becomes an eyesore... brows.gif
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megatron007, put you on the PC12-NSD, ok?

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Don't compare with 10R. After you listen to those very "geng" sub, all entry level "beh lalu"
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Actually, I'm interested to see how it sounds for music...htkaki, full review..
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damn, completed your reference set already?
later after htkaki poison, your 10R becomes an eyesore...  brows.gif
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eyesore also can't do anything for now....poket sudah kering blush.gif
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Can always make the PC-12Plus to become a ported or sealed sub with the 3 port bungs.

In another week, we shall know the outcome.
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If the SVS PC12+ did not eat the SPL1200 for lunch, then the mass order can cancelled already. So you all think carefully what to write here later eh?  nod.gif
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yeah i agree if u r not impressed (comparing with local available subs at the similar price) then no point of us going through so much trouble to send our stuff trough the Black Pearl...

anyway i am still waiting to confirm US port charges.. it has been 4 days.. dont know what kuku they r doing.. and today is weekend again.. zzz need to wait another two days...
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(sorry this was copy from "best subwoofer discussuion topic" to this side)hello frens,anybody using Jl Audio Fathom,Sun Fire,Rel or Velodyne product subwoofer?
Example:JL Fathom F113,Sunfire HRS-12,Rel subwoofer and Velodyne SPL Ultra series.
Pls omit Hsu Research and SVS brand as they don't have local distributor and we cannot even go for the sub demo in Malaysia.
In case the above(Hsu Research and Svs) got problem,what should we do since no local dealers and we have to deal with the direct factory and wait for the spare parts for weeks.(although they were teaching how 2 fix it via internet but not everybody know how to use the internet very well)
I went to many of the forum site,most of them were discussing Jl Audio Fathom,Sun Fire,Rel or Velodyne and being describe as one of the best subwoofer brand company in the world(excluding Wilson Benesch Torus which at different price catagories and quality)
Lately i observe that there is a forum started by a local members comparing SVS sub Velodyne sub.
1st you must let me know do you have the right facilities to test the above(SVS and Velodyne)sub or just by a normal room home theatre set up instead of a right facilities which is a studio set up.
I don't 100% believe it since everybody had different listening level as most of the local don't have the right facilities to test the true quality of the subwoofer and lately this JL Fathom model F113 was being recommended by as a no buy good product(do you know this product was awarded by PerfectVision january 2007 issue as the Subwoofer of the year and not to mention that another award has been awarded by Home Theatre and Sound January 2007 issue as a product subwoofer of the year too)
I think the local buyers should not been brain wash by the local forum user as you must REVIEW EVERY PRODUCT by yourself so that you will satisfy and will not made any mistake when buying it.
So read more review of it over the internet of magazine and most important is go for the demo because everybody got different listening level unless you have a real studio facilities to test and compare it.
Thanks and hope you all won't make the wrong choice.
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Hello Yk Ng,

Thanks for posting and welcome to LYN (I see you just joined today). I find your post a little confusing because I don't know what exactly is the message you are trying to convey.

I agree with you that ideally we should demo a product before buying it. However, I don't agree that you need 'real studio facilities' in order to do the demo. Firstly, how can we find such a studio in Malaysia? Even if there was such a studio would the results be applicable to your home room? I think as long as the room variable is kept constant, you can do a meaningful comparison between 2 subwoofers.

Even if you look at professional equipment reviews, I think the review is done in the reviewers own home/room (not a studio).

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I went to many of the forum site,most of them were discussing Jl Audio Fathom,Sun Fire,Rel or Velodyne and being describe as one of the best subwoofer brand company in the world(excluding Wilson Benesch Torus which at different price catagories and quality)


By reading this it seems to me that you're suggesting that reading on forums is good enough and just because people are discussing brands like Jl Audio Fathom, Sun Fire, Rel or Velodyne that you can assume they are "one of the best subwoofer brand company in the world". I'm sure if you read enough, other brands like Hsu, SVS, Epic, etc. are also positively discussed on many forums.

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Lately i observe that there is a forum started by a local members comparing SVS sub Velodyne sub.
1st you must let me know do you have the right facilities to test the above(SVS and Velodyne)sub or just by a normal room home theatre set up instead of a right facilities which is a studio set up.
I don't 100% believe it since everybody had different listening level as most of the local don't have the right facilities to test the true quality of the subwoofer


You don't have to believe it. That's why a shootout is being organized so people can listen for themselves. Sure the testing ground isn't a 'real studio facilities' but it is a real life example of a typical room (the kind that most people have). And at least the tester has a SPL meter so both subs can be set at same output for fair comparison. As far as practicality is concerned this is ok.

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hello frens,anybody using Jl Audio Fathom,Sun Fire,Rel or Velodyne product subwoofer?


You can check out the subwoofer owner's list on the preceding pages. This is not a full list by the way since it is up to owner's to voluntarily disclose.

This post has been edited by jchong: May 30 2009, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(Yk Ng @ May 30 2009, 02:50 PM)
(sorry this was copy from "best subwoofer discussuion topic" to this side)hello frens,anybody using Jl Audio Fathom,Sun Fire,Rel or Velodyne product subwoofer?
Example:JL Fathom F113,Sunfire HRS-12,Rel subwoofer and Velodyne SPL Ultra series.
Pls omit Hsu Research and SVS brand as they don't have local distributor and we cannot even go for the sub demo in Malaysia.
In case the above(Hsu Research and Svs) got problem,what should we do since no local dealers and we have to deal with the direct factory and wait for the spare parts for weeks.(although they were teaching how 2 fix it via internet but not everybody know how to use the internet very well)
I went to many of the forum site,most of them were discussing Jl Audio Fathom,Sun Fire,Rel or Velodyne and being describe as one of the best subwoofer brand company in the world(excluding Wilson Benesch Torus which at different price catagories and quality)
Lately i observe that there is a forum started by a local members comparing SVS sub Velodyne sub.
1st you must let me know do you have the right facilities to test the above(SVS and Velodyne)sub or just by a normal room home theatre set up instead of a right facilities which is a studio set up.
I don't 100% believe it since everybody had different listening level as most of the local don't have the right facilities to test the true quality of the subwoofer and lately this JL Fathom model F113 was being recommended by as a no buy good product(do you know this product was awarded by PerfectVision january 2007 issue as the Subwoofer of the year and not to mention that another award has been awarded by Home Theatre and Sound January 2007 issue as a product subwoofer of the year too)
I think the local buyers should not been brain wash by the local forum user as you must REVIEW EVERY PRODUCT by yourself so that you will satisfy and will not made any mistake when buying it.
So read more review of it over the internet of magazine and most important is go for the demo because everybody got different listening level unless you have a real studio facilities to test and compare it.
Thanks and hope you all won't make the wrong choice.
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i agree with u thats y nobody is rushing into it.. we will let htkaki compare with the other subs .. ppl who lives near him can go for a listen too.. if they are not impressed then i wont buy too.. but i will still believe in his results if he doesnt own a studio coz i am not planning to build a studio at home too. Chances r my laubeh theater room will be similar to his.

I admit 100 percent that i am a gambling when i buy a subwoofer i havent even tested. I am trying to get a subwoofer that cost alot less that a Fathom that sounds similar to Fathom 113. Based on foreign forums (not local forums) the chances are good that svs ultra will match the performance.. but still it is a big gamble.. Thats y i have never encourage any 1 to follow my footsteps. I am also warning every1 not to gamble like me. If u have the money to buy F113 then dont waste your time waiting for a MO here as it is better to get F113.. u dont have to wait for delivery, can try out b4 buying, u get a cosmetically much nicer sub and a lot more benefit.

Peace bro YK Ng, appreciate your advice

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Just an add-on that some of the shootout only compare SPL output. This is just one measurement on how loud the sub will sound. But it doesn't measure distortion. It's always possible to push the sub louder but with higher distortion.
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Hello Yk Ng,

Thanks for posting and welcome to LYN (I see you just joined today). I find your post a little confusing because I don't know what exactly is the message you are trying to convey.

I agree with you that ideally we should demo a product before buying it. However, I don't agree that you need 'real studio facilities' in order to do the demo. Firstly, how can we find such a studio in Malaysia? Even if there was such a studio would the results be applicable to your home room? I think as long as the room variable is kept constant, you can do a meaningful comparison between 2 subwoofers.

Even if you look at professional equipment reviews, I think the review is done in the reviewers own home/room (not a studio).
By reading this it seems to me that you're suggesting that reading on forums is good enough and just because people are discussing brands like Jl Audio Fathom, Sun Fire, Rel or Velodyne that you can assume they are "one of the best subwoofer brand company in the world". I'm sure if you read enough, other brands like Hsu, SVS, Epic, etc. are also positively discussed on many forums.
You don't have to believe it. That's why a shootout is being organized so people can listen for themselves. Sure the testing ground isn't a 'real studio facilities' but it is a real life example of a typical room (the kind that most people have). And at least the tester has a SPL meter so both subs can be set at same output for fair comparison. As far as practicality is concerned this is ok.
You can check out the subwoofer owner's list on the preceding pages. This is not a full list by the way since it is up to owner's to voluntarily disclose.
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Hello Jchong,

Thanks for your posting.I have no objection on your subwoofer shootout.I were mainly refering were it done in a professional way,just like do you have the frequency generator to measure the entire frequency or do you have the acoustical instrument to test the room environment?
Just by using SPL metre wil not get the correct measurement or rather the biggest boom will be the winner?

And by the way i dun quite agree about the review matter as they are done in a very professional way.
What about WhatHifi magazine?(they are more on Britsih products)
And what about Home Entertainment(they are more on American products) but they 2 do have the state of art testing facilities.
What I am mainly refering that forum members should audition more products before jumping ship(wrong ship mean bigger hole in your pocket)

What really annoyed me was one of the member refering JL Audio Fathom is a no buy issue,considering that this subwoofer having won so many award.
I have no objection forum members getting Hsu,Epic products even they are highly review.
But what happen if the products go bonker,of course the manufacturer will replace the parts,but how long?1 week?2 weeks?
And not everybody is a qualified electrical engineer and even till today still not many ppl does not know how 2 use the internet very well.

Anyway this is the end of the discussion so wish you the best of luck in pursuing your dream.
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Just to clarify, the shootout isn't done by me.

Also hard for it to be done in a professional way since none of us are professionals in this area so we wouldn't have the necessary equipment, except for our ears smile.gif

Yeah, technical support is an issue for products not represented locally. That has to be understood by the buyer. If not prepared for this then I agree that a person shouldn't buy from overseas.
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ May 30 2009, 04:40 PM)
i agree with u thats y nobody is rushing into it.. we will let htkaki compare with the other subs .. ppl who lives near him can go for a listen too.. if they are not impressed then i wont buy too.. but i will still believe in his results if he doesnt own a studio coz i am not planning to build a studio at home too.  Chances r my laubeh theater room will be similar to his.
I admit 100 percent that i am a gambling when i buy a subwoofer i havent even tested.  I am trying to get a subwoofer that cost alot less that a Fathom that sounds similar to Fathom 113.  Based on foreign forums (not local forums) the chances are good that svs ultra will match the performance.. but still it is a big gamble..  Thats y i have never encourage any 1 to follow my footsteps.  I am also warning every1 not to gamble like me.  If u have the money to buy F113 then dont waste your time waiting for a MO here as it is better to get F113.. u dont have to wait for delivery, can try out b4 buying, u get a cosmetically much nicer sub and a lot more benefit.

Peace bro YK Ng, appreciate your advice
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sad.gif Laubeh HT room.

Bro, we are just average joe nia.

F113 again biggrin.gif As been mentioned by me, this is the BEST sub IMHO for under RM18K thumbup.gif My wish list wub.gif Since it is FAR out of reach, I tk the plunge to buy SVS. IIRC, jchong did post a Response Curve of F113 drool.gif

Anyway, this is a review of PB-13Ultra by Stereophile. The reviewer compared it to F113 too as well as REL Studio III and Velodyne DD-18. You will read how wonderful is F113. Then again, PB-13Ultra aint far behind.

http://stereophile.com/subwoofers/808svs/index1.html

Bro mys_terious, we are both 'siao lang' blush.gif


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Suddenly, all become eerily quiet here. Monday blues ah?

Taukeh, are you coming this Sat? If yes, I hide my new toy when you come. Good for you.
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Bro, what is the current price for Velodyne CHT-10R and CHT-10Q? Anyone selling it (new or used), PM me the best price.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 1 2009, 10:43 AM)
Suddenly, all become eerily quiet here. Monday blues ah?

Taukeh, are you coming this Sat? If yes, I hide my new toy when you come. Good for you.
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Received yours ar? Can take a photo for us to have a sneak peek?

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QUOTE(jwyj @ Jun 1 2009, 02:34 PM)
Received yours ar? Can take a photo for us to have a sneak peek?
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Bro, it is either Thurs or Fri. It's a long wait. I ll definitely not taking a photo to do sneak 'preview' rolleyes.gif

But, I will take MANY photos tongue.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 2 2009, 01:02 AM)
Bro, it is either Thurs or Fri. It's a long wait. I ll definitely not taking a photo to do sneak 'preview'  rolleyes.gif

But, I will take MANY photos  tongue.gif 
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Tq very much in advance for the 'many photo'. rclxms.gif Oh Boy! I can even feel the sexitment over here in the East. tongue.gif
How I wish I can joint in the subby shoot out this sat. sad.gif
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Load of photos will be popping up on either Thurs evening or Fri.

Just realised that the PC-12Plus' 16" diameter a bit too big for my 15" Subdude.
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Tq very much in advance for the 'many photo'.  rclxms.gif  Oh Boy! I can even feel the sexitment over here in the East. tongue.gif
How I wish I can joint in the subby shoot out this sat. sad.gif
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come lar, just 1 air-ticket nia and can boom boom all the way back to Sarawak tongue.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 2 2009, 09:34 AM)
Load of photos will be popping up on either Thurs evening or Fri.

Just realised that the PC-12Plus' 16" diameter a bit too big for my 15" Subdude.
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I think just 1/2" overhang on each side is ok. Try first, otherwise time to upgrade! smile.gif
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 2 2009, 10:04 AM)
I think just 1/2" overhang on each side is ok. Try first, otherwise time to upgrade! smile.gif
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Bro, problem is there isn't any to fit this. Ah..... I can always customise it as what we talked about it yesterday. Suddenly, Thurs / Friday seems quite long to me sweat.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 2 2009, 12:27 PM)
Bro, problem is there isn't any to fit this. Ah..... I can always customise it as what we talked about it yesterday. Suddenly, Thurs / Friday seems quite long to me  sweat.gif
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Yeah, there's no product that is exact fit for 16" diameter. So in the end you might have to customise.

But I remember even for box sub, people have said that a bit of overhang is acceptable since some subs are bigger than the SubDude.
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How is the MO coming along?
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bro since we r waiting for htkaki to try out the sub 1st then i am not rushing so much now.. which is good coz the cost is lower now i can look at the options we have .. I have set everything in excel now so it is alot easier for me know the the cost even if we have a change of units of order of certain model... by tomorrow nite we can have the actual price of everything.. then i can explain to u all what we r in for and all the details and how much cheaper we can get and what r the disadvantages of our group buy.. I cant remember the last time i am so serious in getting things done hehe.. hope i can be so serious at work laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Jun 2 2009, 01:18 PM)
bro since we r waiting for htkaki to try out the sub 1st then i am not rushing so much now.. which is good coz the cost is lower now i can look at the options we have .. I have set everything in excel now so it is alot easier for me know the the cost even if we have a change of units of order of certain model... by tomorrow nite we can have the actual price of everything.. then i can explain to u all what we r in for  and all the details and how much cheaper we can get and what r the disadvantages of our group buy..  I cant remember the last time i am so serious in getting things done hehe.. hope i can be so serious at work laugh.gif
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wah.... i'm interested to take a look at this excel sheet leh... can share? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Jun 2 2009, 01:18 PM)
bro since we r waiting for htkaki to try out the sub 1st then i am not rushing so much now.. which is good coz the cost is lower now i can look at the options we have .. I have set everything in excel now so it is alot easier for me know the the cost even if we have a change of units of order of certain model... by tomorrow nite we can have the actual price of everything.. then i can explain to u all what we r in for  and all the details and how much cheaper we can get and what r the disadvantages of our group buy..  I cant remember the last time i am so serious in getting things done hehe.. hope i can be so serious at work laugh.gif
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Personal hobby always much more interesting than work huh? biggrin.gif

Thanks for getting all the calculations done. Looking forward to your info.
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hmm...
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 2 2009, 09:34 AM)
Just realised that the PC-12Plus' 16" diameter a bit too big for my 15" Subdude.
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MO doesnt look good liao.. the only cost i was waiting for was truck transport from svs warehouse to the port in ohio.. i underestimated it.. manatau it is USD291 per cubic meter.. stupid truck so expensive.

those who r still interested in the MO pls pm me.. need to explain something.. if u guys understand liao and still wanna proceed then only i find out more.

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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Jun 3 2009, 03:07 PM)
MO doesnt look good liao.. the only cost i was waiting for was truck transport from svs warehouse to the port in ohio.. i underestimated it.. manatau it is USD291 per cubic meter.. stupid truck so expensive.

those who r still interested in the MO pls pm me.. need to explain something.. if u guys understand liao and still wanna proceed then only i find out more.
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Too bad the MO will not happen. Thank you for trying so hard.
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Before everyone goes back home, just as a teaser :-

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 05:47 PM)
Before everyone goes back home,  just as a teaser :-

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Wohhhhhhhhh! U R Bad! Very very bad! tongue.gif tongue.gif Now I want to go to bed 2night hugging this bolster! wub.gif GF can sleep by herself! Pity my wallet don't allow me to have this. sad.gif Aiyoh! Quickly conduct the subby shoot out! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 05:47 PM)
Before everyone goes back home,  just as a teaser :-

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I think I'm gonna die soon due to extreme poisoning from looking at that picture user posted image
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htkaki thats hella sexy boombooms you got there! yawn.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 05:47 PM)
Before everyone goes back home,  just as a teaser :-

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How long does it take to receive it from the day you order it?
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I think I'm gonna die soon due to extreme poisoning from looking at that picture user posted image
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someone won't be sleeping tonight... whistling.gif

bro, faster show us the SVS Striptease step-by-step guide!  drool.gif
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'deflowering' the PC-12Plus

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Frankly speaking, I never did imagine it is this HUGE!

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 09:55 PM)
'deflowering' the PC-12Plus

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Frankly speaking, I never did imagine it is this HUGE!
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Wah Lauehhhhhhhhh!!! 'Deflowering'!!! drool.gif Aiyoh! Quickly take off lah! wub.gif
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I got the "sneak preview" FR from HTKAKI biggrin.gif

see i told u !


SVS bolster eats velo SPL for breakfast

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QUOTE(arj @ Jun 3 2009, 09:10 PM)
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boss.. ur BDs are demm long la

fire-sales la...can cash out 5-6k to buy this SVS ma biggrin.gif

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Actually, I did not expect it to be this BIG. Bloody heavy. Imagine lifting this up to 1st floor. You can break your back doing it. I wonder how abt others who bought PB sweat.gif
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post Jun 3 2009, 11:11 PM

hmm...
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haha I like ur style bro...open bit by bit bagi orang geram haha sweat.gif
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haha I like ur style bro...open bit by bit bagi orang geram haha sweat.gif
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Boss,

I learnt it from you tongue.gif Remember your sms? I nearly got a heart attack on that laugh.gif


Okay. First impression.

Of course, on the build quality lah. AQ, wait til tmw lah whistling.gif

The box is so big but easy to dismantle. The PC-12plus is nicely wrapped with plastic. It is protected by foams. Very good packaging indeed. That's all for now as I need to switch off my gear. I mean my PC-12Plus
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 11:02 PM)
Next photo :

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Actually, I did not expect it to be this BIG. Bloody heavy. Imagine lifting this up to 1st floor. You can break your back doing it. I wonder how abt others who bought PB  sweat.gif
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BIG! That is the first factor I consider when buying sub. I will be disappointed if it is small. So can post up a photo comparing it to a dustbin? blush.gif I want to know just how big it is! rclxms.gif Tq very very much in advance. notworthy.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 12:09 AM

hmm...
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put side by side with 12r la n c how puny that 12r look laugh.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 11:19 PM)
Boss,

I learnt it from you  tongue.gif  Remember your sms? I nearly got a heart attack on that  laugh.gif
Okay. First impression.

Of course, on the build quality lah. AQ, wait til tmw lah  whistling.gif

The box is so big but easy to dismantle. The PC-12plus is nicely wrapped with plastic. It is protected by foams. Very good packaging indeed. That's all for now as I need to switch off my gear. I mean my PC-12Plus
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ma pookee talk half way go to sleep!!! mad.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 3 2009, 11:02 PM)
Next photo :

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Actually, I did not expect it to be this BIG. Bloody heavy. Imagine lifting this up to 1st floor. You can break your back doing it. I wonder how abt others who bought PB  sweat.gif
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Wow!!! Look at that cylinder!!! Am sure no women will appreciate the looks of it. Bet it could blow one's clothes off.

htkaki, the sub is at Sban? Maybe I can go kap kap, volunteer to blow my clothes off rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

Where is our Mr logit Boom Boom 2000watts? Ask him to buy this brows.gif

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the PC12-Plus at 40" tall, 16" diameter and Weight at 60 lbs will need some space to position properly.
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htkaki, are you on MC today to play around with your new toy? whistling.gif

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 3 2009, 10:27 PM)
boss.. ur BDs are demm long la

fire-sales la...can cash out 5-6k to buy this SVS ma biggrin.gif
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That's a pretty good idea actually hmm.gif

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Good morning everyone! laugh.gif

Poison sikit again :

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You still can see the 'puny' CHT-12R at the background.

The sheer size of this will make it almost impossible to be put in a small room.

butter finger, yes. It is transported back to my hometown.

Ok, got to chao 1st. Time for breakfast tongue.gif
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Have you asked TNB to build a separate substation specially to power this monster of a sub! rclxub.gif hmm.gif
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Wah, never thought Sban got such elite sub. Is KC (Maison Audio) or Alice (Forest Hill) know? Maybe can psycho them to bring in, brows.gif
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the PC-12+ looks like a vertical launcher of a Surface to Air missile 3 missiles ready to launch...WOW!! I'm gonna check my bank account...cukup tak duit?
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If any1 wanna organise a MO or got cheap jalan pls let me know also.. very bz with work .. i just wanna get cheap sub.. any1 organise doesnt matter to me... so if Any1 got a cheaper way or maybe not cheaper but more convinient or maybe almost same price pls post it here .. i wont be offended coz i am a lazy bugger.. lazy to organise unless got no choice

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mys_terious, I thought you are going ahead with it? No?

I might (only might) bring in a few more units in with a mixture of 12+ and 13Ultras. Yet to confirm. Probably by air too.

If this is ok, then expect massive shipment coming in to flood domestic market. Pray hard.

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Aiya... too bad no time to FR a bit here. Got to go out now.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 4 2009, 11:13 AM)
mys_terious, I thought you are going ahead with it? No?

I might (only might) bring in a few more units in with a mixture of 12+ and 13Ultras. Yet to confirm. Probably by air too.

If this is ok, then expect massive shipment coming in to flood domestic market. Pray hard.

Anyway, here's another photo release :

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Aiya... too bad no time to FR a bit here. Got to go out now.
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if u r bringing in then i tumpang yours la.. i thought ocean freight will be cheaper thats y i looked into it.. it is cheaper at the end but not so much.. and 4 weeks wait lo.. that bolster might become salty hehe
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if u r bringing in then i tumpang yours la.. i thought ocean freight will be cheaper thats y i looked into it.. it is cheaper at the end but not so much.. and 4 weeks wait lo.. that bolster might become salty hehe
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 4 2009, 11:13 AM)
mys_terious, I thought you are going ahead with it? No?

I might (only might) bring in a few more units in with a mixture of 12+ and 13Ultras. Yet to confirm. Probably by air too.

If this is ok, then expect massive shipment coming in to flood domestic market. Pray hard.

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Bro, let me know if you are planing to bring in PB12NDS.

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For this size, you can only park it at a corner. No more "crawling on the floor" finding the best spot for this one. smile.gif
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QUOTE(jwyj @ Jun 4 2009, 04:40 PM)
For this size, you can only park it at a corner. No more "crawling on the floor" finding the best spot for this one. smile.gif
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Still can crawl but accoridng to SVS, corner is the best spot for PC series wink.gif

whistling.gif another release :

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Can you put it next to the 12R. I want to see if this is wider than that, pleassssseeeee....
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QUOTE(jwyj @ Jun 4 2009, 05:53 PM)
Can you put it next to the 12R. I want to see if this is wider than that, pleassssseeeee....
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Can't lah boss. Maybe the other way round is better. At least won't break my back doing it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 4 2009, 05:50 PM)
Still can crawl but accoridng to SVS, corner is the best spot for PC series  wink.gif

whistling.gif  another release :

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Wow! All the hole covered up! Afraid people will poke in! tongue.gif So with the 'hole' covered up will it dig deeper? hmm.gif
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Excellent! The monster is here smile.gif

Eagerly awaiting the FR...
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wah very big and tall mustbe very powerfull, your neighbour might though earthquake in s'ban! Should North or South Korea at war which country do you intend to send your missile to? No joke no fun lah!
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My friend came over to audition it. However, I am a bit embarassed as I did not calibrate it well due to hectic schedule.

So, I did some calibration again via my 1800 YPAO and some settings in it. Then use the SPL to calibrate the vol level of each channel.

Since it is too late at night, I think I shall go to bed soon.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 4 2009, 11:42 PM)
My friend came over to audition it. However, I am a bit embarassed as I did not calibrate it well due to hectic schedule.

So, I did some calibration again via my 1800 YPAO and some settings in it. Then use the SPL to calibrate the vol level of each channel.

Since it is too late at night, I think I shall go to bed soon.
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Well Ok good night to u & me as I know 2 night no more pic for me to dream & drool. tongue.gif
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oh ya hor. I have forgotten abt Taukeh jwyj's request.

Here is the photo :

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It reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito in 'Twin'

Hornyangmoh, can you sleep now ah? tongue.gif

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post Jun 5 2009, 12:01 AM

hmm...
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Hey...the Subdude fit rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 4 2009, 11:59 PM)
oh ya hor. I have forgotten abt Taukeh jwyj's request.

Here is the photo :

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It reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito in 'Twin'

Hornyangmoh, can you sleep now ah? tongue.gif
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Wow! drool.gif drool.gif
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*drool* ...... the subdude like going to pecah anytime soon

LOL biggrin.gif

honi...u dun wan to get 1 biji mer?? how to resist? tongue.gif
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post Jun 5 2009, 12:13 AM

hmm...
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Jun 5 2009, 12:09 AM)
Wow!  drool.gif  drool.gif
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haha lagi tak boleh tido...drooling all over laugh.gif

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 5 2009, 12:12 AM)
*drool* ...... the subdude like going to pecah anytime soon

LOL biggrin.gif

honi...u dun wan to get 1 biji mer?? how to resist? tongue.gif
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firesales 3 of them

get 1 bolster

1 sub rulez them all biggrin.gif laugh.gif

this sub is shaking ..not only boom-ing

i wanto listen boom boom pow on this baby biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 5 2009, 12:21 AM)
firesales 3 of them

get 1 bolster

1 sub rulez them all biggrin.gif laugh.gif

this sub is shaking ..not only boom-ing

i wanto listen boom boom pow on this baby biggrin.gif
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Actually i want to know is it reach what u expected, the low bass, clear or noisy....
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 5 2009, 12:21 AM)
firesales 3 of them

get 1 bolster

1 sub rulez them all biggrin.gif laugh.gif

this sub is shaking ..not only boom-ing

i wanto listen boom boom pow on this baby biggrin.gif
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Yes, it is worth getting just for the looks alone. drool.gif It's rather sexy, not too fat compared to the 12R. Imagine if you got 4 on 4 corners of yuor room!

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QUOTE(nakata101 @ Jun 5 2009, 07:35 AM)
Actually i want to know is it reach what u expected, the low bass, clear or noisy....
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When taukeh Mega dropped by my pad, the SVS aint being properly calibrated yet. Now, it is almost being done. However, still pondering how the use some of the additional functions hmm.gif

Here are 2 shots of the fine print on the box :

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Btw, tested a bit this morning. DTS demo disc. 'Hero - Blue Room' and 'Master & Commander'. At -30dB, the sheer subsonic power can literally shake my head. That's a vast improvement after the YPAO and SPL meter calibration. Later, (if free) I shall test BD again. Oh yes, I stuffed a port block and the set it to run at 16Hz whistling.gif


Still waiting for Bryanlee's confirmation for a shootout tomorrow smile.gif


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post Jun 5 2009, 10:34 AM

hmm...
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too bad I have to cancel going there tomoro....need to work sad.gif

stupid vendor with last minute arrangement vmad.gif
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Another photo release :

BetterCables for subwoofer

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GAME ON tomorrow thumbup.gif
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post Jun 5 2009, 12:32 PM

hmm...
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What cable is that? Looks familiar hmm.gif
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What cable is that? Looks familiar hmm.gif
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I thinks it's better cables bundle with the svs,

BTW guys, i'm newbie here. need opinion from all sifus. Planning to let go of my svs pa10nsd to make way for the pc12+.Any suggestions abt the price? Item used abt 2 yrs.
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QUOTE(maja_5365 @ Jun 5 2009, 12:41 PM)
I thinks it's better cables bundle with the svs,

BTW guys, i'm newbie here. need opinion from all sifus. Planning to let go of my svs pa10nsd to make way for the pc12+.Any suggestions abt the price? Item used abt 2 yrs.
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It is about USD1,299 (door to door, depending location) + 15% import tax + 10% sales tax. At current ex-rate, it is about RM5.8K.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 5 2009, 01:30 PM)
It is about USD1,299 (door to door, depending location) + 15% import tax + 10% sales tax. At current ex-rate, it is about RM5.8K.
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RM5.8k for PB10-NSD??? Seems too much for the entry level SVS thot PB12-NSD would be RM3k to RM4k Or u meant ur PC12?

Thot maja wanted to know how much to sell his PB10 rclxub.gif
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Sorry, my bad. Didn't read properly blush.gif

Since it is entry level. New unit is abt USD569. Probably can sell below RM2K

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Sorry, my bad. Didn't read properly  blush.gif

Since it is entry level. New unit is abt USD569. Probably can sell below RM2K
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How about PB12NSD? how muchi?
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Sorry, my bad. Didn't read properly  blush.gif

Since it is entry level. New unit is abt USD569. Probably can sell below RM2K
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Thanks guys,

Will post it in <WTS> thread when confirm of ordering pc12+.Jack from SVS said that returning customes will get 5% discount on pc12+.They also take credit card but the process will take longer time.

If anyone interested can pm me.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 5 2009, 08:44 AM)
When taukeh Mega dropped by my pad, the SVS aint being properly calibrated yet. Now, it is almost being done. However, still pondering how the use some of the additional functions  hmm.gif 

Here are 2 shots of the fine print on the box :

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Btw, tested a bit this morning. DTS demo disc. 'Hero - Blue Room' and 'Master & Commander'. At -30dB, the sheer subsonic power can literally shake my head. That's a vast improvement after the YPAO and SPL meter calibration. Later, (if free) I shall test BD again. Oh yes, I stuffed a port block and the set it to run at 16Hz  whistling.gif
Still waiting for Bryanlee's confirmation for a shootout tomorrow  smile.gif
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Did you make use of the single band Parametric Equalizer for room response calibration? I wonder if I did it correctly on my 20-39PC+ with the response cuve below.

The PEQ seems not able to fatten the curve total due to more than 1 peak occured. Not sure if an AVR with Audyssey MultEQ XT able to help on this??

The blue is before and purple is after adjusting the PEQ.

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Still out of optimum adjustment. Best if you can control it +- 3db. You might need to do bass trap or move your sub around to get the smoothest response first before doing adjustment. The 31.5 hz is a typical room modal peak which can only be tame by bass trap.
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wa ELITE sub woofer cable

anyone did compare pariah vs elite sub cable (RCA)?

makes any difference?
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Jun 6 2009, 12:33 AM)
wa ELITE sub woofer cable

anyone did compare pariah  vs elite sub cable (RCA)?

makes any difference?
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Yes, it did. Buy QED SR-SW from futureshop lah. It will sounds cleaner and taut.
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your SVS shootout today, can post a video for us who can't go...
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Jun 5 2009, 10:32 PM)
Still out of optimum adjustment. Best if you can control it +- 3db. You might need to do bass trap or move your sub around to get the smoothest response first before doing adjustment. The 31.5 hz is a typical room modal peak which can only be tame by bass trap.
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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately due to the constraint of my room setup, I have very little option of moving it around. Will try to find another possible spot..


Guess the shootout is staring now... and yes, if can post video on youtube will be great smile.gif
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All very quite & peaceful in the Eastern front sad.gif while it is all BOOOOOMMM BOOOOMM & POOOOWWWW in the Western front! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Aiyoh do post up the result! Did SVS eat the Volody SPL for breakfast??? On physical size it did look like SVS win hand down now waiting for performance report! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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wonder the video will turn up shaky or not ...
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Everything is on standby.... Done a pre-run on SVS. Ooopps.. I think someone is here.
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Yes, it did. Buy QED SR-SW from futureshop lah. It will sounds cleaner and taut.
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I second that coz I'm using one smile.gif
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The shootout has just completed. For the first time, vibration can be felt near my main door sweat.gif I need acoustic foams to do some serious treatment

bryanlee, kiam, robinlim and chinmh were here. izmel_s couldn't make it. Poison is in the air

Ok, got to go for my lunch first as HM is waiting. FR later wink.gif
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QUOTE(nakata101 @ May 31 2009, 12:09 AM)
The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)

PC12-Plus
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1)nakata101
2) jwyj
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PB12-Plus
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2) easternred
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PC12-NSD
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1)megatron007??
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1) lightning69
2) lexonline
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AS-EQ1
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1) Jack28HT
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PC13-Ultra
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1) mys_terious
2) Jack28HT (depends on cost)
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got blow off any one clothes??

tapao-ed 1200SPL?
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The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)

PC12-Plus
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1)nakata101
2) jwyj
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PB12-Plus
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1) easternred
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PC12-NSD
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2) lexonline
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AS-EQ1
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2)

PC13-Ultra
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2) Jack28HT (depends on cost)
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Sorry I'm off the chat...
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same here...take me off the list smile.gif
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same here...take me off the list smile.gif
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got blow off any one clothes??

tapao-ed 1200SPL?
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My short was shaken by SVS while testing Master and Commander laugh.gif

The challenger :

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So, how's the comparison. Did you guys do the velo self tuning first?
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Unfortunately, no sad.gif . Due to long jam, everyone trying to test out asap. Took them abt 2 hours to reach. I am thinking of taking my SVS to my friend's HT room which is acoustically treated and his setup is well calibrated.

Having said that, he was here at my home on Thurs night to check SVS. That was before SVS being calibrated. He was very impressed with PC's ability to hit really low bass, which he like a lot. He just commented that his SPL1200R not able to match it.

The first noticable difference between SPL and PC is the ability to pressurise the room, which will give you the 'feel'. In this instance, any movies with really low LFE will torture most subs as it goes low.

PC does that it with ease. Indy THX opening clip, Kung Fu Panda starting, Ironman Chapter 5, Master and Commander are being handled by SVS with powerful low end grunt flex.gif .

No doubt SPL is one great powerful sub. But, it just couldn't go that low. It has the power to match. But, it just couldn't provide that kind of 'feel' since SVS is set to 16Hz with a port blocked.

The tautness of bass is another keypoint to note. SVS bass is more refined. SPL sounds a bit muffled (maybe due to no self tuning). Bryan noted this difference. Since he is the rightful owner, he is in the best position to tell the difference. He felt that the PC outperforms SPL in areas that I mentioned earlier.

Due to intimidating size of PC sweat.gif , many might not opt for it even it performs very well.

On Ironman Chapter 5, SPL managed to churn out powerful bass with precision and rumbles. I noted thatthe bass is quite 'wide' and bit muffled. This may be due to no self tuning, which I am not sure (Have to refer to Bryan). When Ironman walks out of the cave, the bass is heavy with enough weight. Impressive. My ex-CHT-12R will be left trailing here rclxub.gif .

The PC does a bit more than that. You can actuall feel the heaviness of the machine when Ironman walks out. It is intoxicating. The room is filled with the immense LFE. Low end extension is well produced, which is quite daunting for most sub at this price range.

I am a guy who likes to feel the action while movies. And this SVS PC12Plus did just that. Perfectly. Damn, now my ceiling really vibrates. CHT-12R unable to do that. SPL did that but w/o much feel to it. I can safely says that PC-12Plus sealed it.
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Thanks for the review!

Very tempted now... but as you said the size is one factor. I think I can deal with that. What I'm afraid of is whether my room can handle the SVS. With my current 12Q already my ceiling vibrates on Iron Man when he walks out of the cave and that's only on half volume! Die lah if SVS was here. biggrin.gif

BTW, were you listening at your normal volume?
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bass is not just about how loud or how low you can go. One must also consider the main speaker size and how the sub would match it. The whole idea of getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker is all wrong when it comes to bass. One must also look at the room size. No point having a 600HP engine on a kancil.
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hmm...
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No point having a 600HP engine on a kancil.
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Why not? Obviously you haven't been inside one with ice box intercooler and twin NOS. You can't go far with it but for that 400m drag u will not remember u actually in a Kancil.

So in regard to this SVS sub, the point is you should first listen to one...
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Thanks for the review!

Very tempted now... but as you said the size is one factor. I think I can deal with that. What I'm afraid of is whether my room can handle the SVS. With my current 12Q already my ceiling vibrates on Iron Man when he walks out of the cave and that's only on half volume! Die lah if SVS was here. biggrin.gif

BTW, were you listening at your normal volume?
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I am the kind of ppl who do not listen at very high volume level. At most is about -20dB. Reference level is at-6dB.

The bass extension is very good. Very few sub that I auditioned can do this. To go below 20Hz, only a handful of sub can do that. It just blends beautifully with my speakers.

Bro, it is difficult to tell you how exactly 12Q being squashed by 12Plus until you tried it out.


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bass is not just about how loud or how low you can go. One must also consider the main speaker size and how the sub would match it. The whole idea of getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker is all wrong when it comes to bass. One must also look at the room size. No point having a 600HP engine on a kancil.


Erm, my front speakers aint that big but still looks daunting; it is using a 10" woofer and another 10" passive radiator, which works perfectly well for me til now. The PC-12Plus blends with it perfectly. My bro came yesterday. He was impressed that the sub is able to blends (some ppl call it 'invisible') and not overpowering the rest of the speakers wink.gif I am still learning on how to fine tune this SVS as I told those who came. It is quite difficult for me to put into words as I am not that good at it. Only those that came knew what it is as they auditioned it.

I think you are talking about miscalibration of sub when you talk about loud bass. Some people tend to increase or crank the sub volume too high. In my case, I like hear things as it is. Since my listening level is not high, the normal recommendation would be +3dB for the sub. The SVS is overwhelming at +3dB. So, I tuned it down to +2dB. Not close yet. Ended up with +1dB, which is just nice. Of course, all being done by using SPL level meter and after YPAO.

I could safely say that the SVS is purely movie sub. Then again, IMHO, I dont see the point of having a sub for stereo listening if you have a good pair of front speakers. That's why there isn't a sub pre-out in a stereo amp wink.gif

I think I have finally found a sub that wouldn't break my bank account smile.gif

Cheers
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Don't get wrong Htkaki. I am just responding to jchong comment that even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off.

I am sure the SVS is a great sub. In might even get myself one someday, but at the moment I have a sub which can do a decent job although its nothing close to great. What i mean is get a sub one can afford and that fits well with the main speakers and the room size. There is no limit to how low a sub can go but i'm sure all of us have a limit in how deep our pocket can go.

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 6 2009, 11:49 PM)
Why not? Obviously you haven't been inside one with ice box intercooler and twin NOS. You can't go far with it but for that 400m drag u will not remember u actually in a Kancil.

So in regard to this SVS sub, the point is you should first listen to one...
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Ever see one of those kancil crash before? That is when you don't remember u are actually in a Kancil.

Btw, listening at loud volume level for a long period of time WILL cause permanent damage to your hearing and there is no spare part to replace it. Just a little advise.

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 6 2009, 11:49 PM)
Why not? Obviously you haven't been inside one with ice box intercooler and twin NOS. You can't go far with it but for that 400m drag u will not remember u actually in a Kancil.

So in regard to this SVS sub, the point is you should first listen to one...
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remy, mr.69 is just upset and jealous he cannot afford the SVS la and have to settle to a 2nd hand 12r without a remote biggrin.gif Pardon him a bit tongue.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Jun 6 2009, 04:11 PM)
The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)

PC12-Plus
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1)nakata101
2) jwyj
3)

PB12-Plus
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1) easternred
2)
3)

PC12-NSD
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1)megatron007??
2)

PB12-NSD
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1) lightning69
2) lexonline
3)

AS-EQ1
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1) Jack28HT
2)

PC13-Ultra
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1) mys_terious
2) Jack28HT (depends on cost)
3)

Sorry I'm off the chat...
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lets keep the list alive .. maybe htkaki might be doing a MO and maybe not.. but if he is, it is easier for him to plan if we have the list
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hmm...
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remy, mr.69 is just upset and jealous he cannot afford the SVS la and have to settle to a 2nd hand 12r without a remote biggrin.gif Pardon him a bit tongue.gif  sweat.gif
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After listening to both SVS and SPL Ultra, I would said that both are very powerful sub but between the two SVS is way better with its deeper and tighter bass. And since both cost around the same, I highly recommend SVS BUT only if you have a large room to acccomodate it cos it's very huge and tall.
So for those who are thinking of getting this huge sub please take note of its dimension before taking the plunge.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jun 6 2009, 11:12 PM)
bass is not just about how loud or how low you can go.  One must also consider the main speaker size and how the sub would match it.  The whole idea of getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker is all wrong when it comes to bass.  One must also look at the room size.  No point having a 600HP engine on a kancil.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jun 7 2009, 12:51 AM)
Don't get wrong Htkaki.  I am just responding to jchong comment that even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off. 

I am sure the SVS is a great sub.  In might even get myself one someday, but at the moment I have a sub which can do a decent job although its nothing close to great.  What i mean is get a sub one can afford and that fits well with the main speakers and the room size.  There is no limit to how low a sub can go but i'm sure all of us have a limit in how deep our pocket can go.
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I agree with u that the sub should match well with the rest of the speakers. In my opinion, the thing u mentioned about "getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker" is a problem with having the sub volume mismatched to the rest of the system. Personally I don't think it is a problem having a monster sub provided you level match it well.

Think about it, the goal is to be able to reproduce the full spectrum of sound from 20Hz - 20kHz and be able to do it at a specific level. Most main speakers can do 40Hz upwards, it's the deeper bass region from 20-40Hz that we need a sub for. Even then not all subs are the same. My 12Q goes down to 25Hz. If I wanted to hear down to 20Hz, I'd need a bigger sub - there's no way around it. Again just to be clear, I'm not saying that the bass volume is turned up high to drown out the main speakers. All I'm saying is to be able to hear the full spectrum of bass at a level matched to the main speakers.

Secondly about what you wrote: "even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off". Please don't make it so dramatic, I merely said that my ceiling vibrates. What is the cause? It must be the way the low frequencies are mixed on Iron Man. With Kung Fu Panda my ceiling doesn't vibrate. So I guess the soundtrack engineer on Iron Man must have put some really low bass on that scene. Now remember my 12Q is only spec'd to 25Hz, there are other lower notes that it cannot play well. Imagine if I had the SVS, it would reproduce down to 20Hz or even lower and this could cause more interactions with my ceiling. Yes, I would get more bass but it is counteracted with hearing more ceiling vibrations which decrease the quality of sound overall. So until I can control/tame the ceiling vibrations I don't think I will upgrade to a bigger sub.
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I am the kind of ppl who do not listen at very high volume level. At most is about -20dB. Reference level is at-6dB.


I wonder if the volume level is the same across different brands of receivers. For me I listen at -22 dB. Of course another factor is speaker efficiency.

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The bass extension is very good. Very few sub that I auditioned can do this. To go below 20Hz, only a handful of sub can do that.  It just blends beautifully with my speakers.

Bro, it is difficult to tell you how exactly 12Q being squashed by 12Plus until you tried it out.


Yeah, hard to describe with words. I guess I should find some time one day to listen to your SVS then can experience the difference. Not only how low it goes, but for bass articulation, speed & dynamics.

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I think you are talking about miscalibration of sub when you talk about loud bass. Some people tend to increase or crank the sub volume too high. In my case, I like hear things as it is. Since my listening level is not high, the normal recommendation would be +3dB for the sub. The SVS is overwhelming at +3dB. So, I tuned it down to +2dB. Not close yet. Ended up with +1dB, which is just nice.  Of course, all being done by using SPL level meter and after YPAO.


Interesting to see your sub setting. After running Audyssey, my sub is set at -5dB.

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I think I have finally found a sub that wouldn't break my bank account  smile.gif


At more than 5k, the SVS is beyond many people's bank account. Glad it didn't break yours... so means you have a bigger bank account than most of us tongue.gif biggrin.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 7 2009, 11:02 AM)
I agree with u that the sub should match well with the rest of the speakers. In my opinion, the thing u mentioned about "getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker" is a problem with having the sub volume mismatched to the rest of the system. Personally I don't think it is a problem having a monster sub provided you level match it well.

Think about it, the goal is to be able to reproduce the full spectrum of sound from 20Hz - 20kHz and be able to do it at a specific level. Most main speakers can do 40Hz upwards, it's the deeper bass region from 20-40Hz that we need a sub for. Even then not all subs are the same. My 12Q goes down to 25Hz. If I wanted to hear down to 20Hz, I'd need a bigger sub - there's no way around it. Again just to be clear, I'm not saying that the bass volume is turned up high to drown out the main speakers. All I'm saying is to be able to hear the full spectrum of bass at a level matched to the main speakers.

Secondly about what you wrote: "even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off". Please don't make it so dramatic, I merely said that my ceiling vibrates. What is the cause? It must be the way the low frequencies are mixed on Iron Man. With Kung Fu Panda my ceiling doesn't vibrate. So I guess the soundtrack engineer on Iron Man must have put some really low bass on that scene. Now remember my 12Q is only spec'd to 25Hz, there are other lower notes that it cannot play well. Imagine if I had the SVS, it would reproduce down to 20Hz or even lower and this could cause more interactions with my ceiling. Yes, I would get more bass but it is counteracted with hearing more ceiling vibrations which decrease the quality of sound overall. So until I can control/tame the ceiling vibrations I don't think I will upgrade to a bigger sub.
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"even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off" just an expression lah. biggrin.gif

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remy, mr.69 is just upset and jealous he cannot afford the SVS la and have to settle to a 2nd hand 12r without a remote biggrin.gif Pardon him a bit tongue.gif  sweat.gif
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remy, mr.69 is just upset and jealous he cannot afford the SVS la and have to settle to a 2nd hand 12r without a remote biggrin.gif Pardon him a bit tongue.gif  sweat.gif
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Aiyoh, no need to pijak people like that...
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alot malaysian house plaster ceiling rattling? biggrin.gif
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I'm just curious, freq below 30hz are more to audible or being felt?
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At 30Hz I think still heard. Maybe below 20Hz will be more felt than audible.
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Vibration not necessary is cause by the deepest bass. Sometimes it vibrate due to certain freq. Think of it like a tuning fork. Anyway, talking about value, looks like svs provide the best return. Might ask my friends consider SVS PB-13 Ultra. drool.gif
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PB13 ultra??

i guess need 2 hulk to carry biggrin.gif
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PB13 ultra??

i guess need 2 hulk to carry biggrin.gif
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Moe than 50kg.  flex.gif  If door to door, then no problem eh?
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I'm one of the lucky persons who was able to experience the 'boom-boom bang-bang' of htkaki's new toy svs pc13+ drool.gif

Svs did outperform spl 1200 ultra. Bass is tighter, more refined and provides more depth. I remember there's a scene where I can really feel the people running down the staircase from far, which spl could not provide. And a scene in Master and Commander where the blasting of canons took place. I felt like the canon is blasting towards my direction. thumbup.gif

Other than that, I felt that svs did not outperform spl very much. In certain scenes I could not find any difference between both of them. Maybe just my peasant ears, but that's what I felt.

Giving the same price range, I'll still recommend Svs. But this is a real gigantic thing that will consume up your space. If you have enough space to play around, go for it. Guarantee no regret. biggrin.gif

Too bad I will not be able to get this thing as my HM definitely won't approve it. I just bought the CHT-10Q not too long ago, and she'll notice the difference immediately if I change the sub. I heard htkaki said even pb13+ is also a gigantic thing which will break your back if u were to carry it alone. sweat.gif Guess I'll have to settle for spl 1200 ultra as I got a quite attractive deal from A&L for trading in 10Q for spl. My HM won't be able to spot the difference as both of them almost the same size.
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A&L is like doing alot trade in for 10Q n 12Q lately for SPL

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both are great sub. After hearing them my sub is reproducing a mere "fart". biggrin.gif

IMHO, SVS has the upper hand if the audio track has continuous low freq sound. The SVS has no problem building up pressure with its cylindrical design. Velo's bass felt a little more "out of control" compared to SVS (after the first few low freq reproduction). Maybe it is because Velo is moving air that is not contained.

I think SVS's footprint is about the same as the velo, but because the sub height it may be hard to find a good location for it in our HT room that is normally a rectangle, and the front are sitting on 1 of the shorter end. It normally cant sit in between the front as it either be distracting or block the projection screen. Those who are placing their front on 1 of the longer wall of the rectangle room may want to consider the SVS. It could sit snugly on 1 of the corner.

I have 1 of the corner ready to house the SVS, but of course the bank balance doesn't allow it. smile.gif




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I have 1 of the corner ready to house the SVS, ....... smile.gif
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For those staying in Johor/Melaka/PJ/KL area that want to buy PB-12+, pls pm me as I might be able to cut down some cost. Only one unit available. First come first serve.

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For those staying in Johor/Melaka/PJ/KL area that want to buy PB-12+, pls pm me as I might be able to cut down some cost.  Only one unit available. First come first serve.
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Individually import 2 at one time. icon_rolleyes.gif This is also another good idea.

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Even I also want to replace my 10R and 12SPL with PC 13+. Not to mention I got another 8" pro arc in kuching.  icon_question.gif  The force from svs is strong. Maybe make 2 mass orders, the other one send direct to East Malaysia.  rclxms.gif
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how much this one???
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This is PB-12NSD. RRP is USD569. If plus shipping and tax, that comes up to abt RM4,150
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This is PB-12NSD. RRP is USD569. If plus shipping and tax, that comes up to abt RM4,150
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his is think is the PC13+ .. tak main lah small small .. now people talking about size already.
lai 10R for me cheap cheap ... coffee table price oso ok le.
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Mine is PC-12Plus. I am 'greedy' fella if you know me. Since the price difference of PC-12NSD is 'not that much', I took the heaviest plunge of my life.

I must admit that this is single most expensive 'investment' that I ever made throughout my 17 years of HT hobby.
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40% more expensive but 100% more satisfaction .. cam mana? lai lai ..
oh his is the 12+ i tot 13.. oh yea .. how my cofee table? v

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his is think is the PC13+ .. tak main lah small small .. now people talking about size already.
lai 10R for me cheap cheap ... coffee table price oso ok le.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 9 2009, 02:40 PM)
Mine is PC-12Plus. I am 'greedy' fella if you know me. Since the price difference of PC-12NSD is 'not that much', I took the heaviest plunge of my life.

I must admit that this is single most expensive 'investment' that I ever made throughout my 17 years of HT hobby.
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u took the heaviest plunge of your life and but looks like it is not the heaviest for this year ehhe.. talking abt pb pula now keke
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actually, just in thinking process. Maybe will try to save enough and to avoid the upgrade process, I might consider the 13Ultra.

arremie, the shipping cost for both are almost identical. When you add in the hefty taxes, the difference becomes lesser.
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So can I get PC12-NSD around rm4k plus all the taxes? PC12-Plus is around 6k right?
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Yes, agree. If you can avoid tax then the saving is tremendous....

Added on June 9, 2009, 4:22 pmPB13+ might be the best but I think PB12+ will be more than enough for my incoming HT room biggrin.gif

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So can I get PC12-NSD around rm4k plus all the taxes? PC12-Plus is around 6k right?
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Yes, abt RM4K+. The PC-12+ is slightly above RM5K.
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shipping is less than that i think, anyway we shall be seeing SVS hitting our neighbors shore in near future. Not sure who got the distributor ship.
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Jun 9 2009, 05:01 PM)
PC12+ only slightly over RM5k?  The price of PC12+ is US949 and the shipping is about ~US400 so US1349 * 1.3 for 30% tax = US1754 *3.5 (exchange rate)=RM6,138... how do you get RM5K? hmm.gif
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Where u get the 30% tax? as mentioned by htkaki its 15% import tax and 10% sales tax
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if i remember correctly for PC-12+,
its 949+250 (to airport) = about USD1,200*3.6=RM4320*1.25=RM5,400 approx.
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if i remember correctly for PC-12+,
its 949+250 (to airport) = about USD1,200*3.6=RM4320*1.25=RM5,400 approx.
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Your calculation is quite near to it.
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fuyooo SVS fever tak habis habis biggrin.gif

support HTKAKI to go for 13+ ultra biggrin.gif
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support HTKAKI to go for 13+ ultra biggrin.gif
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jwyj, auction? Fat hopes. Self collect as I wouldn't want to hurt my knee again shifting this monster sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jun 9 2009, 09:30 PM)
if i remember correctly for PC-12+,
its 949+250 (to airport) = about USD1,200*3.6=RM4320*1.25=RM5,400 approx.
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Ah... the weight of PC12+ is lighter so that shpping cost is lower, I was quoted on PB12+ for $565 on door to door and $375 for airport.
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Ah... the weight of PC12+ is lighter so that shpping cost is lower, I was quoted on PB12+ for $565 on door to door and $375 for airport.
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For airport, does it mean that the taxes are not included? If so, it is worth a drive to airport and collect it ownself.
(Tell the custom to close one eye, semuanya ok)
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I think to airport is to pay the custom directly; whereas door to door is courier company help you pay first (additional) and get the tax from you if I understand correctly.
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The difference is door-to-door includes doing the clearance procedure and then sending from airport to your house. Door-to-airport means you have to engage runner/freight forwarder plus go to airport yourself to pick up (which can present a problem if your car not big enough to fit the sub).

In both cases local taxes still need to be paid.
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but to airport, doesn't all goods ends up at POS Malaysia instead of the airport it self?
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I think it ends up in the cargo terminal of the airport.
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I heard that there will be a distributor in Singapore soon for SVS.
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I just got a quote from Erik (SVS Co-Owner/ Director – Information Systems and Technology). Below are the quotes

Hey Lightning69;

Shipping would be:

Door to door $315 Bax Quote Number 485xxxx
Door to airport $240 Bax Quote Number 485xxxx

These quotes are for prepaid shipping and a small international handling fee only. Any taxes, duties, brokerage, administrative, etc. fees are your responsibility. The door to door rate includes the brokerage fees and the door to airport does not. The brokerage fees included in door to door rates may not include all local administrative fees.

You are responsible for finding out about any local required procedures, licenses, registrations or such in advance. We had one recipient that had to become a registered importer in his country in order to be able to pick up at the airport (a lengthy and expensive process) and because he didn't find out about this requirement in advance, he was not only forced to go through it, but he also had to pay storage fees on the box while waiting for his forms to process.

Unfortunately due to the high incidence of credit card fraud in Malaysia we can only accept payment via bank transfer; when you are ready to order we will provide instructions on how to make the payment. Please also make sure that you let us know if you need the subwoofer in 110v or 220v configuration.

Let us know if you have any other questions or comments.

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My door to door quotes doesn't include tax. Is it because I am from Miri? Btw, how much is the tax? 15% like all electronics goods on the price of the product or it includes the shipping cost too?

I just notice that the price of the PC12-NSD and PB12-NSD are the same. Which one is better?
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The quote above for which model of SVS?

SVS quote is for shipping only, they don't estimate for tax because that is your responsibility. I think tax is 25% in all as htkaki said before and the tax is applied on both price + shipping cost.
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Hey Lightning69,
I think it is worth trying door to airport since our miri airport is only 15 mins drive. Or is it KLIA? wink.gif
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 10 2009, 01:07 PM)
The quote above for which model of SVS?

SVS quote is for shipping only, they don't estimate for tax because that is your responsibility. I think tax is 25% in all as htkaki said before and the tax is applied on both price + shipping cost.
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Its for the PB12-NSD

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Hey Lightning69,
I think it is worth trying door to airport since our miri airport is only 15 mins drive. Or is it KLIA? wink.gif
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I don't think its to Miri airport. What if they send to KL airport then i will be in deep shit trying to arrange to ship to miri.

Not sure whether to go for cylindrical of box?

Just a poor peasant going for the entry level sub!

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The above is my living room layout. Is the place where my sub sit now a good place?

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Your surround become "Back Surround" liao
no good.....sweat.gif
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Your surround become "Back Surround" liao
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I don't have side wall on one side so that is the best I can do.
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lightning69, your setup is exactly same as mine but my side wall is on the other side blush.gif biggrin.gif
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Hi,

I dont get why u all assume de cylinders are bigger( is it becos its taller??) than de equivalent (driver size) cylinders - technically its footprint (de part dat touches de floor) is actually smaller n tat was de intention of its design.. to save floor space..

N whether u prefer de traditional box shape or de newer design (well its not tat new - I tink its been ard for 4-5yrs), its all a matter of preference - dont forget tat de cylinder is jus plain black n de boxes can cum in veri nice veneers which would make it luk classier.. IMO..

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Another question I want to ask. What's the main difference of PC-12+ and PC-12NDS, other than a less powerful amp? Their sizes and weights are almost the same but prices almost double?
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I guess one is entry level , the other is high end.
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Another question I want to ask. What's the main difference of PC-12+ and PC-12NDS, other than a less powerful amp? Their sizes and weights are almost the same but prices almost double?
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PC12+ has different woofer and has got 3 ports (instead of 1 on the PC-12NSD). Also PC12+ is 5" taller than NSD.
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It will look damn ugly and would is the last thing I want to do to my living room. I am very please with what I have now until I get a new bigger house which I will then setup a proper HT room.


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lightning69, your setup is exactly same as mine but my side wall is on the other side blush.gif  biggrin.gif
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So how you set up your surrond speakers?

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PC12+ has different woofer and has got 3 ports (instead of 1 on the PC-12NSD). Also PC12+ is 5" taller than NSD.
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The new PC12-NSD use the same woofer now as the PC12+.

"SVS has long built its own woofers. The NSD-AL is one of a continuous evolution back many years now. While affordable there is nothing much "off the shelf" in the nature of this woofer, the heart of any sub. Every part was selected for maximum performance and with this latest NSD rev, we've even put on the stiff, costly and oh so attractive powder-coated aluminum cone stolen from our equally famous Plus 12.3 woofer."

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Hey guys,

Got this from xtremeplace forum

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haha it not me, u guys wan me to be the dealer?? Tongue
just got the latest news frm Ron so i can confirm

THERE WILL BE A EVENT ON THE 19th July near adelphi.

This will just be a exhibiton for SVS products there brought in
by a local dealer but they r not the dealer just helping to
organise a show for SVS. Ron will be here to discuss details
with some potential dealers so YES!!! u guys can meet Ron
the co-founder of SVS when hes here on the 19th. I'm working
out something with him outside the event where u guys can
gather n  chill out with him Wink Frm his replies he seems veri
keen to meet SVS users here....


http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=64111.0

Looks like SVS is coming to Singapore. Won't it be cheaper to get it from there??
jchong
post Jun 10 2009, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jun 10 2009, 05:12 PM)
The new PC12-NSD use the same woofer now as the PC12+.

"SVS has long built its own woofers. The NSD-AL is one of a continuous evolution back many years now. While affordable there is nothing much "off the shelf" in the nature of this woofer, the heart of any sub. Every part was selected for maximum performance and with this latest NSD rev, we've even put on the stiff, costly and oh so attractive powder-coated aluminum cone stolen from our equally famous Plus 12.3 woofer."
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Are you sure? The PC12-NSD uses the NSD-AL woofer as mentioned above. But the PC12+ uses the Plus 12.4 woofer.

The difference can be seen clearly in the pics below (the PC12-NSD on the left):

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This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 10 2009, 06:44 PM
lightning69
post Jun 10 2009, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 10 2009, 06:33 PM)
Are you sure? The PC12-NSD uses the NSD-AL woofer as mentioned above. But the PC12+ uses the Plus 12.4 woofer.
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That is from the SVS website on the PC12-NSD product page.

I am waiting for the new quote from SVS for the PC12-NSD. Since the PC12 is lighter, the shipping cost will be lower. Sound wise should be the same according to Erik of SVS. Because box woofers are so common here, I think i will go for the cylindrical woofers for a change.

Anyway, please remove me from the MO. I will buy direct from SVS.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 10 2009, 06:46 PM
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