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post Jul 19 2009, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(persie @ Jul 19 2009, 09:26 AM)
SOLD OUT. NO MORE SHARE...
I JUST FOLLOW THOSE WHO JUMPED OUT OF THE SINKING SHIP.
NEXT WEEK THE SHIP WILL SINK FURTHER. BUT ABSOLUTELY THE SHIP WILL NOT TOUCH THE BASE OF THE SEA.
CUT LOSS MAAA......
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yea me too... I think I should sold out too. what to do, our booksmart/worm is geek mah, they are the Saviour, save me out from sinking boat.

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post Jul 19 2009, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(persie @ Jul 19 2009, 09:38 AM)
SURELY, THE STUBBORN WILL FACE BIGGER AND SHARPER FALLING KNIFE FROM A HIGH PLACE NEXT WEEK.
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haha... you also want to add ingredient.. fine. how much u loss on throwing? i remember you said, purchase around RM150k
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post Jul 19 2009, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(persie @ Jul 19 2009, 09:46 AM)
DONT TRAP ME.. NOT 150K.

MORE THAN THAT.. MAY BE DOUBLE NOW.
PRAY FOR THE BEAR MARKET WILL COME SOON. CURRENT SITUATION MAKE ME SCARY TO PLAY.
IF NOT MY MONEY WILL GO TO FD.
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?? trap your head, you said it's the price of stream mah.. that's what i remember



3rd Aug will have a boiling point, bcos of the merge market.

not sure how big is the effect. it is pretty near, i'll wait for that.

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post Jul 19 2009, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 19 2009, 10:11 AM)
I am happy with your honest remarks.

Sincerely I do not know my analysis would have any impact on forumers at all.

If I do , that is a compliment.

Cut loss is not the end of the world, most traders cut losses from time to time, an open secret.

That is a decision you might have to take, though painful one.

There is another possibility the share prices might go up, after you have cut loss.

If you are not the first time speculator, you know what I mean .

That is a game you are willing to play.
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you feel proud tou... tongue.gif good for you, you need that.

by the way, I have no loss yet bcos 90% i bought at RM0.07 and 10% at RM0.075.

i still can earn during updown of RM0.07 and RM0.075

but now mostly collected RM0.07 and it stuck there no more moving.

I do play speculation and use margin sometime to double up during bull.
not a shortterm player or swing player <-- i have discipline rule on myself, will not bcome this.

i dont actually need to cut loss in this counter in urgent case bcos i have more at other counter, which seems to have more paper loss. but simply most of them are for long term bcos of the fundamental.
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post Jul 19 2009, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(persie @ Jul 19 2009, 11:41 AM)
OK SORRY.. U R FAST LEARNER. A STREM BEFORE I SOLD THE REST OF MY SHARE. NOW I HOLD NOTHING GAINED MY LOST.
HOW MUCH WILL U LOST IF YOU THROW NOW ?
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not much, bcos my avg is RM0.070x.. if throw will lose the 0.0x commission only. my cut lost point is around RM0.06, if lose more than 10%, then will be very pek cek... 1 month income gone. i allocate only 10-15% of my investment for speculation and i will never touch swing play.



the one i collected that has bright future is M3Tech... hopefully the boss dint lead me to holland, but he is a great boss i know, very humble and honest. This is the most important fundamental for me. Genting, YTL just collect and forget... let it be in red now, bcos the company will surely grow.

Added on July 19, 2009, 1:55 pm
QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Jul 19 2009, 11:30 AM)
ZPOW said 'If you simply say to write off the Goodwill, it simply means bursa ask Compugt to cut 50% issued shares, which is impossible.
So it is impossible to happen'.

Writing off goodwill on consolidation is one thing. It does not at all mean Bursa asking Compugt to cut 50% of issued shares.

Bursa cannot ask any company to cut their issued shares. If goodwill is binned, it means the compugt's share capital is poorly represented by asset backing. As long as shareholders' fund which is equal to NA is positive, the company is still technically solvent and operate the company as usual. Some PN like 17 will start to be issued.

When compugt slips further into negative shareholder fund, compugt is then required to regularise its financial affairs under another PN like 4 because it has become insolvent. If and when it successfully find new biz and/ or new capital, it will undergo a capital reduction scheme. SC will evaluate if the capital reorganisation scheme has merit before approving. If none, it goes 'gantung sampai mati' by Bursa and delisting will await.

It again does not amount to bankruptcy till the company properly files a bankruptcy request or forced by creditors. After delisting, you are still the owner, just that you may not be able to find a buyer for your shares.
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you are correct. and i dont see my stand got problem, this is the baseline of oneself, the risk you can take = the reward/penalty you will get also.
i did my study and did my info sourcing, i dont see my effort is any less to backup my investment.

and PN17, PN4 is something that will happen if the mm sit back and relax and do nothing. I dont see that is so easy to happen, because their plan seems plenty.

i have another fren, her company in debt 50mil, revenue only 70mil, 1.5mil cash in hand, price stuck there RM0.20 for a few years, still haven't fall into PN anything yet, and the company still growing in Market development. Malaysian Chinese company, not having profit, is a norm because of creative accounting, i am the solution provider tou... 99.99% of my customer will request for that... can your system "route the invoice/income"? and they will push the price as low so that they can buy back and owned majority of it, also never pay the dividen. So, my investment fundamental is the boss. Honest boss's company can only invest for long term. other... just let it be and wait chance.

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post Jul 19 2009, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 19 2009, 03:02 PM)
Just correct something, goodwill whether it is totally writeoff or not, doesn't related need to cut 50 issued shares, it has no effect existing issued share but NTA per share becomes lower on paper.

For the goodwill basic concept.
Just like a property price worth 500K on market based on valuation, you go to market to buy at 700K. On your account book, you need to state 500K hard asset + 200K goodwill. Those 200K is "imaginary number". So goodwill sometimes can be an imaginary number to balance the book only. In this case, it is needs to writeoff 200K because the property actual worth is 500K.

Whether it is worth to buy at 700K, it is different story, as if those 500K property can generate good return afterwards, buying 700K (or paying extra 200K goodwill) could be seems good deal, but if not, it is a bad deal, as it means you buy 200K more expensive.

Hope this clear the issue of goodwill.
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that's what i said to them, it is to balance the common stock value. why showing the basic here? 101 accounting also? i say cut 50% issued say and that's impossible because it's impossible, the only thing it will happen is what sense maker said, pn17 but i got said also, that is hard to happen bcos it will only happen if mm do nothing everyday.

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post Jul 19 2009, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Jul 19 2009, 03:14 PM)
So, ZPOW, you put about 9-month equivalent of your salaries in Compugt. I think that is not a huge amount. So you are an IT guy who by implication cannot be too old, maybe 40 to 45. You have about Rm600K in investment. that is just my guess.

When I said cuckoo, I referred to the counter trading pattern.
When I said sand, I referred to the foundation of its business.
When I said naive, I referred to absence of rational justfication and financial dissection written by forummer loyal to this share.

You should write clearly what plans MM has and how that eventually might be reflected in the share price, so people understand the coherence of your thoughts and why your faith in this counter is not blind.
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so you count my my salary only like ABC here, 5K? tongue.gif

i got 1 reseller comp, 3 IT comp. you count it for me again.

i am 31.

you dont have to insult ppl and make yourself like you are the elder here. if you dont agree with the trading view of the ppl, you can show your point, instead of saying them naive and their trading is cuckoo...

just like i dont say some ppl here just "bark" around without giving a point.
why i dont use that kind of word? because it sound insulting.

it is not faith, you dont have to simply judge.
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post Jul 19 2009, 03:46 PM

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correct if the company is in PN, but will that happen? if you say it will happen, i can say mm plan will happen too.

like i said, my fren's company have worst situation than any company for 2 years plus... still run normally and grow in market. so easy to get PN status?

Added on July 19, 2009, 3:49 pm
QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Jul 19 2009, 03:43 PM)
ZPOW, you sound very defensive when people refute your views, and desperate with this counter. You said cut-loss point is 6 sen. That is plan which may be difficult to execute if the free fall happens.

Dont let other people's words hurt you. Let intelligence and reason rule in this forum.
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we were having good discussion here. if you read back, all the postings are related to the progress and what happen. not about showing off who is correct in their investment mechanism.

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post Jul 19 2009, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Jul 19 2009, 03:36 PM)
ZPOW is 31 but sounds like a know-all. He has 3 companies but take salaries only. Dont take offence. I think you are just very young and too quick to ignore what others have dissected for you. You should learn how to respect people savvy with figures.

The best way to rebut others is by presenting your justfication in coherent way, which so far you have not. You might be forgiven if you were already nearing 50, becoming quite bigotted. But at 31, there is no harm in becoming more receptive.
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oh... it's very simple, if the dog bark at me, i will simply get a stick and walap it. as simple as that. i dont have to act gentlemen to a dog.
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post Jul 19 2009, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Jul 19 2009, 04:05 PM)
If you behave like this, you will not improve when you reach 41.
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smile.gif good one, i said i will mirror to you. you should be hearing in it yourself.

I have no problem keep walap the dog if the dog keep chasing me and dont let go.
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post Jul 19 2009, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 19 2009, 04:33 PM)
Sorry to say,  you have accounting rules mix up.

Not SC or Bursa's  job  to keep Compugates accounts.

if Compugates does not follow the proper rules, they got warning, suspension and facing delisting.

Compugates has to do the proper jobs, not Bursa or SC.
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dont make false statement here. who said SC or Bursa keep accounts?

they trace their accounts when shortlisted. this is new system. read the news.
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post Jul 19 2009, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(stevenglobal @ Jul 19 2009, 05:17 PM)
Whether using an accounting concept to show how healthy a company is.... or any other concept or proof to show how good is a economy, I guess finanical crisis shouldn't happen at the first place, if everything can be predicted using strategies, fundamentals, of course by then everything bad can be avoided for sure, don't we agree?

Because we have years of education, a crisis, as we are human being, for those studied MASTER, PROFESSOR, and guess what, unable to prevent these happening... About the nature dissaster, we are not even reach there to prevent.

Same case with compugates, we can try our best to know this company, from top to toe, but it doesn't mean, it is going to be the best or worst forever. IMO, it is the Directors' intention that work out what is the best plan and best time for the company to improve.

You may ask yourself, 2009 is the best time to get a project? Any fundamentals or concept supports that this project will ever be paid on time?  blink.gif
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this is a a good year to get project. bcos of the 80% guaranteed scheme. alot of company is able to run new project especially those "linked" company which intend to waste the bail out budget. they started April and will end on September. so to get project, it is within these few months. If over September still cannot get any project, it means the company is not effective and no power link.

hopefully the 3rd august heat and the project can be captured before September. if over september still no good news, we must collectively ...

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post Jul 19 2009, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(omione @ Jul 19 2009, 06:27 PM)
What an interesting read - your analyses, your knowledge, your rebuffs, your retorts, your sarcasms. I had a good laugh reading all those posts. Thank you.

I am still holding on. I may trade up and down. I still need one missing information. I still believe as far as Compugates is concerned, whether the price goes up or down depends not on goodwill write-off, or even earnings. The one missing is: What is the MM to do?

Anyone who can provide me information on that and convince me of its reliability, you are great. If you don't want to publish it, you can send it to my mailbox.
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you can talk to the resigned person... he is available on facebook.

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post Jul 19 2009, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(ABC2020 @ Jul 19 2009, 10:14 PM)
forget about this ZPOW.... pretend to be big boss. 3 company? if you really doing that well... i dont think you will need to boast here.
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ya... i just pretend... my salary only RM1500... driving a skuter... nothing to do mah... happy? smile.gif

by the way... just had my dinner at bintang revolving... had the lobster chicken RM60... had a bottle of red wine RM110... the best part was the desert... hot banana ice-cream...

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post Jul 19 2009, 10:37 PM

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Added on July 19, 2009, 10:37 pm
QUOTE(ABC2020 @ Jul 19 2009, 10:34 PM)
you can continue to boast... who care

Added on July 19, 2009, 10:36 pmjust wonder, you already 31, still so childish
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31 only... i still play DOTA lol... i am childish... who is dota kaki here?



lol... i am so sorry standley... i think got ppl want your thread close shop...

by the way... ABC... i tot i helped to delete your posting of net worth in my quote...

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post Jul 19 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(alan0686 @ Jul 19 2009, 10:56 PM)
Dearest MOD, the code for 20% Angel 80% Devil ... 5037
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wah... this is good one... so hard to understand this time... i also cannot guess already... what's that means?
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post Jul 19 2009, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(ABC2020 @ Jul 19 2009, 10:59 PM)
well i think we all will get ban very soon....
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ya... i think you are neutral one and can talk, so we should not fight tongue.gif
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post Jul 19 2009, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(CKC (Sense-Maker) @ Jul 19 2009, 10:56 PM)
OK, to MOD, I think he would agree that I argue based on figures already published in the financial statements. The picture that emerges from the set of figures warrants words like sandy foundation.

When I said trading of this counter is cuckoo, i think that is an apt description, given the manipulative charade I see day in day out.

Naive investors are meant to direct to those investing without even understanding the basics of what implications the financial figures may have on the sustainabiility of the company.

ZPOW is not emotinally mature, nor able to counter points intellectually. But that we have drawn a conclusion he is still young and only an IT expert. So we will focus on his arguments for this compugt: MM plans, the resigned secretary, tan sri, Goh. Omione seems to be soliciting more about insider information from him and others.

Moonrider said it can buy back shares. Wah, it needs money to buy back wo, so easy meh when it has so much short term liabilities to pay off.

On the land of RM8- 9 million in its book, for a compnay, this plot of land is extremely small, not worthy of a consideration.

On positive things about this compnay, perhaps it still has the support of many of its shareholders who have been suffering but still hanging on to it willy-nilly.

I wish you all luck lah and may miracle happens and you win money. If it does not turn out that way, take it as a lesson in your investing life.
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wah... start insult again...

I need to know your full name... mind to let us know?

i think Sky is the smart one who removed all his posting related to insulting after i said he is done...
but you are the one wanna continue...

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post Jul 19 2009, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(taikin @ Jul 19 2009, 11:21 PM)
u guys totally crank me up especially ZPOW hahahahhaah

red wine is good, but RM 110 is quite mediocre

i suggest u guys get back on track to discuss COMPUGT
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sure mah... driving skuter how to drink expensive one... drink like that RM1.5K salary gone liao loh...
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