Harsh on lucas mate. Like you said, he's had bad and good games. That only proves that his game has been erratic; he's played better away from home when he's not under pressure and jeers of the home crowd. His impact on the reserve team was immense; they won the league when he was playing, the team finished 2nd last when he made it to first team bench. He's been asked to play multiple roles in the team, so i dont think he had the comfort to settle nicely in a particular position and improve certain aspect of his game. Those one touch passes and layoffs maybe simple but most times they're hard to execute yet he does it effortlessly and the ball is off to another player - hence most of us take nothing much of it. Xabi and particularly Masc tends to need 2 touches to get full control of the ball before making use of it. Those simple layoffs and passes may not look pleasing to the eyes, but it provides the crucial extra seconds and space for players like Gerrard and Benny to do their damage. Extra secs for players like Kuyt to rev up for lacking pace and skills. We may not appreciate those simple stuff but you can bet his teammates appreciate and even value those kind of simple football. Simple one touch keeps our possession ticking over, allowing players to rapidly swarm the opponents and enabling quicker switch plays. Its the stuff that Arsenal are famed for and what the mancs are excellent at. Maybe this is what Rafa sees in the 21 year old, and is what i see when boy's at the top of his game. He's been erratic, but in no way shape or form that he's a 'crap' player.

but there has also been countless non-liverpool material players throughout the 90s and 00s...and lucas to be fair isnt as bad as most of them.

im gonna try to go source for a press pass and ask rafa questions on lucas when he comes here...
wanna see if his answer is like 'lucas is here and im happy'...

then lets all take guesses as to which club he'll be sold to...maybe the returning sheff utd

lucas is still young and still has a lot to offer, its not easy to playing in bpl where everything is so quick and physically demanding, to be honest i dont think that lucas playing really that bad consider how many chance that he had been given..ok maybe he still way far from the standard if you compare him with gerrard or alonso but that not fair isnt it..the only mistake i think he made is choosing liverpool at the first place, he should go and play in spain or italy to improve and probably get more chance to play week in week out.

even world class player who play in bpl turn out to be a major flop who can even forget about shevchenko and morientes moment in bpl..

lol, kindly do not remind me of Morientes...

How about Sean Dundee
To be honest the ones that i hate is Diouf...he disgrace our clubs name with his behaviour

Nothing to do with underdog. He's a young Liverpool player who puts his head down and carries out whats asked of him. That itself warrant our support. How can you compare him to Cesc and Messi ? You do realize those 2 taletns are the products of Barca Academy that has been producing talents year after year ? Cesc had even been groomed at Arsenal youth so he's had the best of 2 youth institutions. Maybe both of these players are more gifted but what certain is that Lucas sure as hell didnt have the privilege of learning at Barca youth at the age of 12.

Ouch! So many Lucas comments now.

As a pure Lucas hater, I'm behind all who still cannot accept him.

Reason? Easy. One right doesn't make up two wrong. Fairly enough, throughout the season he improved quite a lot. But still not up to Liverpool midfielders standard. From history, we got the best CMs for most of the seasons. So to have fragile, slow CM that made too many mistakes in early and mid season that may be the reason for all the 'boring' matches is not good. In early season, while we have more choices to field in the CMs but Rafa loves him, so what the hell. Even he's making so many mistakes, Rafa forgives him. Even when we need a win so badly and it was proved Lucas is not the one who can provide it, Rafa subs out Gerrard or Torres, not Lucas. I even made a statistical analysis on Lucas passes and win ratio when he's on the pitch, the result is not good. We were better without him.

But to be frank, I would like to see him for another season with us. If he can continue improving and prove me wrong like Kuyt does, I believe he can be one of the deadliest CM in the world. Just don't compare his age and skill to ones like Fabregas or Messi, they are genius, while Lucas need more practice to improve, slowly. So I'm giving him another season to prove himself to me. And I may change my status from his hater to his biggest fan. If not, bye bye and fcuk yourself.

I hate him but I want him to stay.

Come on guys, 2 seasons ago, some of us (including me) were bashing Kuyt for not performing as based on his goal tally for Feyenoord. He missed clear cut chances, couldn't score from 6 yard, way older than Lucas. But hey, look at him now. Not a winger. But is willing to play on the right wing and is now establish. Though lack of pace,and dribbling skills. Many of us already know his role and importance of backing up the full backs.

And scoring goals occasionally. If I'm not mistaken he's already got a double figure of goals in all competitions? Come on guys. We need to look at things in the bigger picture.

Lucas may yet to be the 1st team player. Nonetheless, he's good enough to provide cover to Alonso/Masch when they're not available. Some of us would also be rambling if we have a top CM sitting on the bench. And say, "He's getting paid so much to sit on the bench" Oh come on...

Agree. Time and time again, fans been proven wrong to judge our players prematurely, yet surprisingly continues to remain short sighted and slams the players. We laugh at other rival's fans yet we're no different. Easy to say 'oh he's shite. i dont like him!' 'Oh he's improved, i like!!' .. fickle fans.

Let's say.... IF...a BIG IF.....

Tevez, barry joins us....and alonso leaves.... Our formation will be like this next season?




Doesn't look nice at all...One thing for sure,I will cursing at Rafa if he sells Riera

This post has been edited by solstice818: May 21 2009, 11:51 AM

wonder what is the true meaning of supporter, are we only support and idolize the good players(superstar) and continue hating/bashing the bad useless one..or to show support regardless what even when the team is down or more importantly when the players is down and broken..

to be fair each has their own opinions as to the players we have. whose to say whats wrong or right. Each individual views the games more or less differently, that is all.

I have not like Diouf nor Cisse when they were with us. Its a matter of choice, maybe even the way they play that make them seem not in-sync with our squad. I have the same opinion of Lucas. We can sit and rant about changing each others view about a player like him, but when we watch the game, you guys see him as a potential star, but in some camp..like me; i see him going at it the same way he approaches other games. With hardly no urgency, creativity nor passion. he's just there to play second fiddle and he seems to have accepted that is his place.

if he was braver, more aggressive, more and maybe more hardworking to show that he isn't, then all well and good. but still, I will not view him as anywhere near the kind of player we need.

so please, can we just accept the fact that we all have our own opinions on this.. thanks

this is liverpool.
not chester, northampton or luton.

how many yrs are we gonna sit around watching bad players come thru and stay? and then blame it all on a team with not enough depth again to challenge for no.19?

I'm not sure about you guys.In his 1st season, when he helped us to beat Everton, all of us were hailing him like god..Some even said he will be as good as Gerrard. Now, everyone bashing him like rubbish.

Again, form is temporary, class is permanent.Then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not trying to chg anyone...

I hope to god not. I like Tevez but is he honestly better than Gerrard up there with Torres ? I dont think so. Lets not forget we could have easily won the league had we had both Gerrard and Torres played more this season. We need a versatile AM i reckon, someone like Silva, Maxi, Levazzi etc. Arshavin would had been the perfect player for us. Cant believe Wenger got him for 12mil. Think below is a title winning ream imo:

Might end up Tevez playing on the left wing...

I would prefer Silva here but it looks like Rafa will bring Tevez to Anfield.Why?Yesterday news, Rafa mentioned that he has to be cautious when spending the money, especially big money on one player.Tevez is proven in BPL while Silva is not.I think he is referring to this.

Chances of Alonso leaving is as likely as Barry joining us....

I wanna ask you guys something. Is everyone agree on Teves in Liverpool? Quality proven player he is, but from Liv-Manu sentiment point of view?

so means in 2yrs time we will have no english players in the first 11...

Time to buy Turner/Taylor if one of the clubs relegates....

And promote Spearing to 1st team....

LOL, if they implement 6/5 rules then we're screwed with what we have built...

and no, Tevez is good but from Manu to Liverpool... meh i don't know man

and the overall price isn't helping much either, and we all know that his agent is a friggin Vampire