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 Stock Market VERSION 26, Baby bull @ Baby bear ?

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danmooncake
post May 12 2009, 10:16 PM

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Bears are prowling @ Wallstreet.. playing hide and seek with bulls. tongue.gif
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post May 13 2009, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ May 13 2009, 01:38 AM)
Nolar... just guessing why price suddenly rise to much...
Er, Malaysia where got copper mine oo? Got black mine lar, definately not copper mine.
Even though China has start accumulating copper as of late, still doesnt make sense why LION should rally. Honestly I think all of steel related counters are going to post very ugly result this year. In the event of further price rise, I think it will help the stockist to clear the stock somewhat, but the problem still lies with the consumption of these end product  which remained low despite the price cut.
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Hehe! Look OUTSIDE Malaysia-lah!

Copper prices have pummeled down since last year.. and slowly climbing back up.
China is the only one demanding copper now, Euro/Japan/US still weak.. but as soon as their economy
bottom and their infrastructure stimulus kicks in.. you'll see demand to rise.

My favourite copper mining stock now is up 70% since purchased in March. I'm long. drool.gif

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post May 13 2009, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ May 13 2009, 04:21 AM)
Wow, a U-turn, what's going on with the world markets...
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Not world.. just Wall Street - the Motherload Hive.

What's going on you say..

It is very temperamental..bi-polar to be exact. tongue.gif
Totally unpredictable, it does what it wants.. nobody can stay in its way,
up, down or sideways. Everybody is like bees..attracted to it.
If you can catch a piece of its honey.. it is sweetest thing you'll ever taste. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ May 13 2009, 06:53 AM)
Waiting for my junk stock time to rally .... biggrin.gif
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'junk' as in penny stock? biggrin.gif
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post May 13 2009, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(Oracles99 @ May 13 2009, 08:04 AM)
Food for thought: this is  taken from a blog

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These big funds don’t have to compete against each other because the number of PIGS to be slaughtered are enough to fill their hunger.They just have to coopoerate with each others to push up the market.It’s not an open/efficient market here in Malaysia when the whole market is monopolize by government controlled vehicles.
Do you think you can beat them in the game of investing?Well,think again.

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Right on.. but there is no investment..here just trading game. Fast money if you can trade on contra to beat the big boys.
Big boys are local MM (market makers or 'butcher') and they can smoke any small time ah beng piggy into BBQ pork anytime.
Until the local market get liberalised... probably difficult to see it aligns itself to regional trend. nod.gif

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Bears are out preying on little bulls tonight..
if you're afraid of bears.. stay indoors.

For those who aren't afraid.. time to take your shotgun, let's go hunting for a
few bears! tongue.gif


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post May 14 2009, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(masterjedi @ May 14 2009, 09:17 PM)
jgn takut.. KLCI is diffrent ma.. malaysia boleh. heheheheh
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Indeed. Those US jobless claims or rise in unemployment numbers mean little to the market because it is always rear-view mirror.

How about some economic news from Malaysia instead? Any data.. ?

How does one really able to play fundamentals if Malaysia itself doesn't have enough up to date
data like what the other regional countries and US producing day after day.

Hence IMO, KLCI is more for than 'ikan bilis' players who play on rumours only (and probably some pros claim it is tech mumbo jumbo).

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post May 15 2009, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ May 15 2009, 12:26 AM)
Libor rate dropped, Morgan stanley upgraded barclays and deustche bank because both banks stand to benefit from a steeper yield curve....

What does this mean? M2 supply has increased, there's plenty of liquidity. Basically the banks are lending money for x amount of % interest to consumers but their borrowing cost is NET NEGATIVE interest.

So why do you think commodities will stop rallying? A day of steep drop doesnt mean hyper inflation will not happen in the future.
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It doesn't matter, everyone is hyped up on current situation, they simply don't care.
Too much excess in inventory, too little drawn down, traders must short commodity like oil and copper for now.
Commodity may rally in future but future is 6-12 months away. nod.gif

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QUOTE(stargamer @ May 15 2009, 12:32 AM)
commodities mean the natural resources like oil copper issit?
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yes...farm/food products like coffee/tea and livestock too. :-)

Just too much.. too cheap now.. economy not recovering yet..in reality no demand.

China just buying cooper for stockpiling only.. to hedge against future price rise but
buying will stop, cannot sustain because Europe/US/Japan not buying.

How to rally? sad.gif
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post May 15 2009, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(stargamer @ May 15 2009, 09:28 PM)
yahoo news said economists predicted recession will end before the end of 2009, nice.

quote from the news article    "On average, the 52 economists who participated in the survey project that the recession will end in August."

link http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting...oad-to-Recovery
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Don't be too excited. This is U.S. economy..may.. just may.. end (or bottom) this August.. but, it is still LONG (capital L-O-N-G) to recovery.

So, how will that affect Malaysia economy? Perhaps we should interpret that two times as long to recover because they (U.S.) may not be buying as much as they're used to be anymore.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 15 2009, 09:49 PM)
Actually, I think Asia will recover faster than the US.
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The only Asia country that will recover faster than US is most likely CHINA.
All others will trail behind.

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QUOTE(tessei @ May 15 2009, 10:40 PM)
Temasek CUT LOSS on BANK OF AMERICA....

maybe this bank going to collapse...who know...or road to recovery is very painful tu bear for the shareholders...

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...51&sec=business
it seem's that market are responding to economic news to the details.. b4 this no matter how bad the news is, alway bullish..
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That's because it is old news already. Temasek made bad investment choice.. caught up in the hype of fast money two years ago. thought those CDS were good, not knowing they're toxic. CEO Ho Ching resigned - gave excuses it was always in Temasek long term plan for leadership change (which is BS, they didn't see it coming). They got no choice but to sacrifice a few pigs, no big deal.. the farm is still there.


Added on May 15, 2009, 10:55 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 15 2009, 10:34 PM)
Temasek ( Singapore Investment Arm ) used to look to US to invest their funds, now looks East.

Asians have to help themselves , the bulk of world populations.

Overdependance on US along may not be good in the long run.
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Yeah right.. look East. but East is NOT buying at this time. How to look East? Where are the buyers?
China is the only one now.. but they're just buying raw materials for short term, nobody knows their long term plans.
Quite secretive.

Until Asians change their saving behavior to spending.. then it will continue to depend on the big spenders (US/Euro),
their market is more open and because of this US/Euro market always better for capitalists.

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QUOTE(naz_b_85 @ May 15 2009, 11:29 PM)
Sell in May  whistling.gif
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Yes, if you believe in FengShui Chart. FengShui Chart indicates May is the top out.. then will go down 40% in June. shocking.gif
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post May 16 2009, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ May 16 2009, 02:27 AM)
sure sure!!!
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Technical Analysis or mumbo jumbo is for fastmoney voodoo players.. it doesn't work for newbies looking for what to buy.. but does help when to buy/sell (following the sharks trail). It is a good tool trying to predict 'ikan bilis' behavior or little bears/bulls herd mentality. tongue.gif

Good luck studying the charts, in local KLSE market, you will need it. biggrin.gif

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post May 16 2009, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ May 16 2009, 03:23 AM)
danmooncake - you no need to sleep ar?
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Sleep? What is that? biggrin.gif

Just kidding. Working night shift-lah.. tongue.gif


Added on May 16, 2009, 10:49 am
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 16 2009, 08:51 AM)

The moral of the story, Asians do not to have consume the exact ways as their US counterparts, in order to prosper. WE can improve our knowledge, and applied knowledge is always powerful .

For those who only look to US  as the " sole place " to invest, perhaps they have forgotten the story of ACRES OF DIAMONDS. There are diamonds lying at your own backyards ,or at the backyards of Asian Lands, but mostly ignored.

Temasek is a good example that ignoring THE ACRES OF DIAMONDS for a long time, now awake. And it is the ANG MO ( new CEO ) pointed out, I believe. And paying a lot  of money just to get an " honest" opinion.

Happy investing.
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Aiya, wishful thinking-lah, Asians numbers too big, too spread out.. too many Asians govt are paranoid... too kiasu to give up control, govt unwilling to listen, some are too corrupt, therefore stiffen growth before they even have chance to seed innovation. What's the purpose of copying if cannot pull original idea out of the ass? Right?

The only Asian country that is up to the developed Ang Mo status are the Japanese.. but even them, in the beginning they're also copycat but a smart one at that.. but they didn't seems to go far. Their economic after so many years still at #2 behind the #1 USA. Back in late 80s everyone thought they can surpass US and were looking up to them, even Mahathir says look East.. fast forward 20 years..look what happen? Japanese went flat on their economy.. USA flew them by easily with their innovation and technology..their economy thrive. Even now Japanese is danger losing ground to China..

Same old policy, same old mentality. How to catch up?

IMO, first thing to do, must liberalise the economy to be truly free.. and allow free enterprise, allow fair wealth distribution (not just to their cronies or GLC), and get the frickin govt control and stupid protective policy out of our way to prosperity. If Asian govt doesn't change its policy and attitude.. still cannot catch up with the western developed economy,no matter even if we have billions in numbers.




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QUOTE(David_Brent @ May 18 2009, 10:21 PM)

We're doomed - all doomed....they've closed down and run off with all our money.......


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Actually, they're herding all the little bulls into the slaugterhouse..
getting them ready to be slaughtered by the hungry bears. tongue.gif

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post May 18 2009, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(naz_b_85 @ May 18 2009, 10:37 PM)
careful not to entice the newbies too much. Some of them maybe so excited that they think another similar rally is in the cards. I'm not saying there is no possibility but I am concern on the ability of follow through. Dow can be fickle, 100+ points up today and 100+ points down tomorrow. It would be catastrophic for newbies to trade in this type of market. Be careful newbies, this may not be the beginning on another such rally as the recent one so for the ones eager to jump in quick tomorrow and chase, Dow can be fickle!
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Well, the market does what it likes. If you want to play, you have to take risk.
Sometimes, the newbies gotta to swim or die drowing.. I say.. give them a little push, they'll learn.
They'll come out stronger and more confident later. nod.gif


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QUOTE(ks3114 @ May 18 2009, 10:45 PM)
I wish the same thing that happened in India happen in Msia. LOL. Stocks suspended coz goreng too high. The last time I saw KLSE getting suspended was during the election last year (-10% on KLSE)
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Usually, suspension is not good. This gives the impression to the investors something bad is going on and they will dump shares the moment it opens... but again, stock traders in KLSE is probably already immune to it because too much manipulation already has happened.
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Whoa.. DJ pummelled 182 pts upside during mid day trading... rclxms.gif
Bears ran away or are being hunted down.

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post May 19 2009, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(omores @ May 19 2009, 02:56 AM)
Dow: 8,472.86    +204.22 (2.47%)

Aiyah, shouldn't have cut loss my share la. smile.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  Never mind tomorrow wake up early and buy.
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Too late to buy.. it will be gap up big time. biggrin.gif

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