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post May 12 2009, 10:54 AM, updated 17y ago

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I know that there are some Malay family names.

Wan
Nik
Ku
Syed

The "Syed" is actually from Middle East, so they should not be considered as "Malay", per se.

How about the others?
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post May 12 2009, 10:56 AM

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post May 12 2009, 10:57 AM

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those arent surnames as such are they? because a wan ali bin wan abu is mr wan abu rather than mr wan.
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post May 12 2009, 11:00 AM

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Abang/Dayang (ori from swk)
Awang/Dayang (ori from brunei)
Syed/Syarifah (ori from arab)
Sayid-sayed/Syarifah-Sharifah (arab also)
Datu (in sabah)

that's all i know in swk... dunno about peninsular...
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post May 12 2009, 11:00 AM

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Malay doesnt have Surname

and all the "surname" u saw in the malay name is the adaptation from other race's surname style.

Just like how chinese adapt malay enviroment and we call them baba & nyonya
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che ku suffiah...the "che ku"
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post May 12 2009, 11:00 AM

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Raja.
Tengku

Rahim
Zakar-ia
Hamdan

boleh?
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check here...also got some

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_name
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post May 12 2009, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(ikantongsan @ May 12 2009, 11:03 AM)
r u sure dude ? fact or gtfo
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malay use back their own fathers first name.

no more family name
so can marry distant family members ? brows.gif
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QUOTE(convivencia @ May 12 2009, 10:54 AM)
I know that there are some Malay family names.

Wan
Nik
Ku
Syed

The "Syed" is actually from Middle East, so they should not be considered as "Malay", per se.

How about the others?
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Wan
Nik
Ku

these names are common in kelantan, terengganu area ....

http://drsaravananr.blogspot.com/2008/10/o...elantanese.html
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some names cant bee freely registered anymore, unless got so called family history, inside the family bloodline

name such
Raja
Tengku
Tuan
Syed
Sharifah
Ku
and few other i forgot


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post May 12 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:04 AM)
malay use back their own fathers first name.

no more family name
so can marry distant family members ?  brows.gif
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no need distan

kuzin also can

higher probability to become xmen
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:05 AM)
some names cant bee freely registered anymore, unless got so called family history, inside the family bloodline

name such
Raja
Tengku
Tuan
Syed
Sharifah
Ku
and few other i forgot
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tau la ko raja... haha
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QUOTE(ikantongsan @ May 12 2009, 11:03 AM)
r u sure dude ? fact or gtfo
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post May 12 2009, 11:09 AM

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Taken from info JPN

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Info JPN


JPN hanya membenarkan nama yang panjangnya sehingga 94 aksara sahaja.Ini termasuklah nama bapa, perkataan bin, binti, a/l, a/p atau anak, koma dan sengkang.


Pendaftaran nama anak perlu dilakukan dalam tempoh 14 hari dan boleh dikenakan denda RM5 bagi pendaftaran lewat iaitu antara 15 hingga 42 hari.


Pertukaran nama ini hanya boleh dilakukan dalam tempoh setahun saja selepas pendaftaran nama anak.

NAMA YANG DITEGAH ATAU DILARANG

Nama gelaran yang dianugerahkan kerajaan

Tun, Tan Sri, Datuk, Datin, Puan Seri, Dato Seri, Datuk Paduka, Datuk Patinggi, Datuk Wira Jaya, Datuk Bentara Dalam, Datuk Bentara Luar.


Nama pangkat atau jawatan

Haji, Nabi, Imam, Rasul, Mufti, Ketua Menteri, Kadi, Perdana Menteri, Gabenor, Sarjan, King, Hakim, Permaisuri, Guru, Ustaz, Shahbandar, Ustazah.


Gelaran keturunan

Syed, Sharifah, Tunku, Tengku, Nik, Wan, Raja

Nama profesional

Doktor (Dr), Ir (Engineer), Professor, Akauntan, Audit, Diplomat

Nama kepahlawanan

Mahaguru, Pahlawan, Pendekar, Panglima, Bomoh, Pawang, Dukun, Satria

Nama lucah atau yang lucah bunyinya

Nonok, Bontot, Bola Besar, Kote, Faraj, Shahwat, Zina, Kopek, Pundek, Punat, Khalwat, Zakar, Kulup, Coli, Liwat

Nama-nama buruk

Buruk, Malang, Sial, Derita, Haram, Pungut, Hapak, Baruah, Bunting
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QUOTE(zenous @ May 12 2009, 11:08 AM)
tau la ko raja... haha
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shhh....tapi aku boleh namakan anak aku raja...hehe akak aku takleh...sebab dia kene ikut laki dia..tongue.gif
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my family name start with "Don"!
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post May 12 2009, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(uzer85 @ May 12 2009, 11:09 AM)
my family name start with "Don"!
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the Don???



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QUOTE(vorchiel @ May 12 2009, 11:10 AM)
kulup apa kulup hmm.gif
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dunno lor...

haha
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Nama lucah atau yang lucah bunyinya

Nonok, Bontot, Bola Besar, Kote, Faraj, Shahwat, Zina, Kopek, Pundek, Punat, Khalwat, Zakar, Kulup, Coli, Liwat

Nonok?

But Zakaria can be used?


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post May 12 2009, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:09 AM)
Taken from info JPN
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:12 AM)
Nonok?

But Zakaria can be used?
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haha thats why

zakar-beriang ria... <---NO pun intended..

Moar info

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PERKATAAN ARAB YANG MAKNANYA TIDAK ELOK


Narul (neraka), Zaniah (penzina perempuan), Zani (penzina lelaki), Khinzir (babi), Zakar (kemaluan lelaki), Faraj (kemaluan perempuan), Wati (persetubuhan).

NAMA INDIA YANG TIDAK ELOK MAKNANYA


Ammakannu, Andayan, Annachi, BatumalaiBotha, Baby, Ettikkan, Idache, Idayan, Kalavani, Kali, Karuppan, Kathammah, Madasamy, Mottayan, Muthammal, Mukayi (Mookayee), Mooli, MachappuPapa, Prayasamy, Periyannan, Sadachi, Sigappi, Sinnayee, Sengan, Satan, Sembu Setty, Thambi, Kulli, Thangachi, Udukayee, Uthandy, ValuVellayan, Valoo.

NAMA CINA YANG TIDAK ELOK MAKNANYA


Hokkian
Ah Chaw (ular), Ah Goo (kerbau), Ah Gong (orang gila), Ah Kooi (hantu), Ah Loo (keldai)


Kantonis
Ah Seh, Ah Nyau, Sor Chai, Ah Kwai


Mandarin
Ar Ser, Ar New, Ar Ngong, Ar Kwe, Ar Loo


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:12 AM)
Nonok?

But Zakaria can be used?
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why cannot use zakaria? i dont any lucah word from it.... unless u want to make it lucah...


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QUOTE(convivencia @ May 12 2009, 02:54 AM)
I know that there are some Malay family names.

Wan
Nik
Ku
Syed

The "Syed" is actually from Middle East, so they should not be considered as "Malay", per se.

How about the others?
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those are not family names, nor is it surnames. those are hereditary title prefixes that doesn't necessarily amount to a family name. for example, family/surnames shouldnt disintegrate after mix-marriage. for example, female Raja marries a normal guy would produce a new lineage of Megat (male) and Puteri (female). same goes with tengku, engku, teuku and ku.

malays do not have family names in the sense of western family names or chinese family names. but there have been numerous families that have assigned surnames to themselves. for example, Jeslina HASHIM bt Hashim, where HASHIM have become her family name.
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mind ask?
some malay name have s.s.p
anyone know what does it means?
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post May 12 2009, 11:16 AM

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How about WAK
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lol. funny list.

i've seen a few Hakims back in primary school days.
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ May 12 2009, 11:15 AM)
why cannot use zakaria? i dont any lucah word from it.... unless u want to make it lucah...
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zakar yang ber ria ria not lucah? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 12 2009, 11:16 AM)
mind ask?
some malay name have s.s.p
anyone know what does it means?
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Darjah Kebesaran Seri Sirajudin Perlis (SSP)
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ May 12 2009, 11:10 AM)
the Don???
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something like that. u sure know my cousin. his name is Don Corleone. brows.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 12 2009, 03:16 AM)
mind ask?
some malay name have s.s.p
anyone know what does it means?
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those are medals awarded by a sultan. not exclusive to malays.

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:17 AM)
zakar yang ber ria ria not lucah?  laugh.gif
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like i said.. if u want to make it lucah.....
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:17 AM)
Darjah Kebesaran Seri Sirajudin Perlis (SSP)
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what do u mean by that?...care to explain?
and that fren is sabahan BTW
but dad dn't know la

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QUOTE(omara86 @ May 12 2009, 11:00 AM)
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QUOTE(vorchiel @ May 12 2009, 11:10 AM)
kulup apa kulup hmm.gif
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belum bersunat laugh.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:17 AM)
zakar yang ber ria ria not lucah?  laugh.gif
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do u smoke weed today? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 12 2009, 11:18 AM)
those are medals awarded by a sultan. not exclusive to malays.
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wat is it called eh..darjah kebesaran,

Like AMN, KMN all those thing rite
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:20 AM)
wat is it called eh..darjah kebesaran,

Like AMN, KMN all those thing rite
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KNN also... ekekeke
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ May 12 2009, 11:19 AM)
like i said.. if u want to make it lucah.....
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Cannot be helped laugh.gif zakaria's root word is zakar wut... hehehhehe blush.gif

Hamdan = salted egg.
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QUOTE(Serpentarius @ May 12 2009, 01:04 PM)
Wan
Nik
Ku

these names are common in kelantan, terengganu area ....

http://drsaravananr.blogspot.com/2008/10/o...elantanese.html
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how common are they? Is a Nik Aziz allowed to marry a Nik Azura ?
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QUOTE(uzer85 @ May 12 2009, 11:20 AM)
do u smoke weed today? hmm.gif
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Need a sosej to smoke.

wait, i go boil some "ekor zakar" first from ayamas. small, but good enuf for my daily sosej intake drool.gif
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most Malay don't have surname...
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 12 2009, 11:19 AM)
what do u mean by that?...care to explain?
and that fren is sabahan BTW
but dad dn't know la
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Kindly Refer here

http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjah_Kebesaran_Persekutuan

and this is for federal award...and state award oso got
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:22 AM)
Need a sosej to smoke.

wait, i go boil some "ekor zakar" first from ayamas. small, but good enuf for my daily sosej intake drool.gif
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that's just gross....
try sup tropedo instead... still... i couldnt eat sup tropedo...

hahahahaha.....
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:22 AM)
Need a sosej to smoke.

wait, i go boil some "ekor zakar" first from ayamas. small, but good enuf for my daily sosej intake drool.gif
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remember last time during school days 10 years back..my fren whom hisfather name is Zakaria being teased and ppl called him "son of di**"
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:22 AM)
Need a sosej to smoke.

wait, i go boil some "ekor zakar" first from ayamas. small, but good enuf for my daily sosej intake drool.gif
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:25 AM)
remember last time during school days 10 years back..my fren whom hisfather name is Zakaria being teased and ppl called him "son of di**"
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almost like "son of a gun"... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:25 AM)
remember last time during school days 10 years back..my fren whom hisfather name is Zakaria being teased and ppl called him "son of di**"
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lol

what does zakaria means la. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(uzer85 @ May 12 2009, 11:26 AM)
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there's also

Che Wan
Che Ku
Che ... ...

this is often used in kelantan
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post May 12 2009, 11:30 AM

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anyway as a sidenote, please be informed that an angmor whose name is John Smith or Alan Brown should be referred to as Mr Smith or Mr Brown respectively, NOT Mr John or Mr Alan.

I cant tell you how many times i've had to correct malaysians (and consequently reprint thus wasting my ink) on this.
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americans call me by my fathers name. tired of correcting them.

so, biar ajelahhhh
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QUOTE(liquidsny @ May 12 2009, 11:29 AM)
there's also

Che Wan
Che Ku
Che ... ...

this is often used in kelantan
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Che Bai

this is often used in penang, JB & Sg
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raja but sek aku pastu kite namakan anak kite raja se7en ok?
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Yep all those people with this kind of name are poser who 'think' this name make them special. SYED is for one the 'scam' of em' all as it originate from Arab but somehow they steal it to make them look Arabic. Sometimes they only marry Syed with Sharifah.

In Sejarah, we call em Zaman Jahiliyah tongue.gif
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:31 AM)
americans call me by my fathers name. tired of correcting them.

so, biar ajelahhhh
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if you are to be referred to as a mr, then the correct way is to use your surname/patrynomic name.

you are not "correcting" anyone.
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QUOTE(spitfire111 @ May 12 2009, 11:23 AM)
most Malay don't have surname...
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yes, its just the name and the fathers name ...
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:33 AM)
if you are to be referred to as a mr, then the correct way is to use your surname/patrynomic name.

you are not "correcting" anyone.
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i prefer them to call me by my name. if i only deal with the orang putih for a short time, i already dont mind them calling me by my fathers name
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:31 AM)
americans call me by my fathers name. tired of correcting them.

so, biar ajelahhhh
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it's normal....it's their culture
different than us
for us is rude but for them is normal
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My Cert being printed twice due to name mistake;

they put my dad name first followed by mine

and due to this error i learned to put only my name inside the registration form

but still my other cert being printed wrongly again,

Akmal, Raja instead of the other way roud

is it a practice for americans to print it Last name followed by first name? coz the brits wont do this mistake (as for other certs printed)
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malay people should be proud becoz english people always copy some name from malay....

example...

nik - nick
wan - wayne

lol.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(skystrike @ May 12 2009, 11:38 AM)
malay people should be proud becoz english people always copy some name from malay....

example...

nik - nick
wan - wayne

lol.. laugh.gif
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you sure ar?

based on the language alone English is an older language than the BM, so its the other way around ...
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lol it is not rude... example george W. Bush... in western Bush is thier surname, so let say Abu bin Ahmad.... so the western thought Ahmad is ur surname... that is y they calling u Mr.Ahmad.. xD

and if u realise, some chinese... let say Chong Ah Min, they will put thier tagname as A.M Chong... xD following western
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:37 AM)
i prefer them to call me by my name. if i only deal with the orang putih for a short time, i already dont mind them calling me by my fathers name
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you prefer what you prefer, but they didnt do anything wrong. just so you know.
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QUOTE(skystrike @ May 12 2009, 11:38 AM)
malay people should be proud becoz english people always copy some name from malay....

example...

nik - nick
wan - wayne

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Abdul Rahman Limbong - Abraham Lincolm laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zenous @ May 12 2009, 11:32 AM)
raja but sek aku pastu kite namakan anak kite raja se7en ok?
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Raja Kesatria hikmat petala langit ke tujuh kuasa petir kayangan terhebat terjahan harimau kumbang hitam bin <my name another 10 character>


oh shieat...cant edy JPN wont allow ..exceed the maximum 96 characters
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:40 AM)
you prefer what you prefer, but they didnt do anything wrong. just so you know.
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i know they didnt do anything wrong. just want to tell them the correct way of calling me. is it wrong for me to do so?
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:38 AM)
My Cert being printed twice due to name mistake;

they put my dad name first followed by mine

and due to this error i learned to put only my name inside the registration form

but still my other cert being printed wrongly again,

Akmal, Raja instead of the other way roud

is it a practice for americans to print it Last name followed by first name? coz the brits wont do this mistake (as for other certs printed)
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You should have written Raja Son of Akmal in the first name.
Case close.

Unless they go re write it as Akmal, Raja Son of then i doh.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:43 AM)
You should have written Raja Son of Akmal in the first name.
Case close.

Unless they go re write it as Akmal, Raja Son of then i  doh.gif
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haha doh.gif then...someone go ammend it... son of biatch
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ May 12 2009, 11:33 AM)
Yep all those people with this kind of name are poser who 'think' this name make them special. SYED is for one the 'scam' of em' all as it originate from Arab but somehow they steal it to make them look Arabic. Sometimes they only marry Syed with Sharifah.

In Sejarah, we call em Zaman Jahiliyah tongue.gif
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malay dun have family name.they only carry fathers name.
100% malay name now is arab word.

word like raja, its origin from sanskrit + hindu. indian also got raja..raja gopal...raja-nikanth.. laugh.gif laugh.gif

raja sivaji FTW!
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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:45 AM)
haha  doh.gif  then...someone go ammend it... son of biatch
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make sure your fathers name isn't that lor

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QUOTE(emptycube @ May 12 2009, 11:41 AM)
taknak...aku nak namakan anak aku

Raja Kesatria hikmat petala langit ke tujuh kuasa petir kayangan terhebat terjahan harimau kumbang hitam bin <my name another 10 character>
oh shieat...cant edy JPN wont allow ..exceed the maximum 96 characters
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Indians also have the same thing right? Coz they also use their father's name as the last name
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QUOTE(broC @ May 12 2009, 11:45 AM)
+1 thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

malay dun have family name.they only carry fathers name.
100% malay name now is arab word.

word like raja, its origin from sanskrit + hindu. indian also got raja..raja gopal...raja-nikanth.. laugh.gif  laugh.gif

raja sivaji FTW!
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:43 AM)
i know they didnt do anything wrong. just want to tell them the correct way of calling me. is it wrong for me to do so?
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if your name is ali bin abu, they either call you ali or in formal situations, mr abu. if you insist on being called mr ali in a formal conversation then yes, you will look like someone who is ignorant of social etiquettes. calling ali bin abu mr ali in a formal conversation is not "correct". just because you prefer it doesnt make it "correct".
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:48 AM)
if your name is ali bin abu, they either call you ali or in formal situations, mr abu. if you insist on being called mr ali in a formal conversation then yes, you will look like someone who is ignorant of social etiquettes. calling ali bin abu mr ali in a formal conversation is not "correct". just because you prefer it doesnt make it "correct".
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their custom is different from the malays. so, if i befriend this orang putih because of a very long business deal, i would teach him some thing about my custom. why is that ignorant? i cannot teach people the proper way to call me now?
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QUOTE(uzer85 @ May 12 2009, 11:48 AM)
i want to put my son name =X58
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percayalah perempuan nak bg name kat anak die... tak bg can pada yg lelaki
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:48 AM)
if your name is ali bin abu, they either call you ali or in formal situations, mr abu. if you insist on being called mr ali in a formal conversation then yes, you will look like someone who is ignorant of social etiquettes. calling ali bin abu mr ali in a formal conversation is not "correct". just because you prefer it doesnt make it "correct".
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Social conversation such as this is only true if its among white people, or of white people's formal gathering, or people who use white culture.

it doesn't work if you're among Malays. They'll refer you as Encik Ali instead of Encik Abu right?
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:48 AM)
if your name is ali bin abu, they either call you ali or in formal situations, mr abu. if you insist on being called mr ali in a formal conversation then yes, you will look like someone who is ignorant of social etiquettes. calling ali bin abu mr ali in a formal conversation is not "correct". just because you prefer it doesnt make it "correct".
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:48 AM)
if your name is ali bin abu, they either call you ali or in formal situations, mr abu. if you insist on being called mr ali in a formal conversation then yes, you will look like someone who is ignorant of social etiquettes. calling ali bin abu mr ali in a formal conversation is not "correct". just because you prefer it doesnt make it "correct".
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care to explain the bolded part..why they will thing in such>?

ouh i was called "Raha" in Philippines coz they dont pronounced J
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
their custom is different from the malays. so, if i befriend this orang putih because of a very long business deal, i would teach him some thing about my custom. why is that ignorant? i cannot teach people the proper way to call me now?
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Orang putih rules, yo!

you should blame the sultan why didn't they invade england laugh.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
Social conversation such as this is only true if its among white people, or of white people's formal gathering, or people who use white culture.

it doesn't work if you're among Malays. They'll refer you as Encik Ali instead of Encik Abu right?
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No, you must call them 'bang'.
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I wonder, if you call yourself Ali Son Of Abu to the white man, I wonder what they will call you Mr Abu?
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QUOTE(zenous @ May 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
kalau mak die kasi
percayalah perempuan nak bg name kat anak die... tak bg can pada yg lelaki
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
Social conversation such as this is only true if its among white people, or of white people's formal gathering, or people who use white culture.

it doesn't work if you're among Malays. They'll refer you as Encik Ali instead of Encik Abu right?
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obviously i was talking about when you are in a western surrounding, not necessarily white. but i still think if you are going to be addressed in a formal way by your given name, then its best to use encik rather than mr.
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QUOTE(beatlesalbum @ May 12 2009, 11:54 AM)
No, you must call them 'bang'.
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:54 AM)
obviously i was talking about when you are in a western surrounding, not necessarily white. but i still think if you are going to be addressed in a formal way by your given name, then its best to use encik rather than mr.
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Ali Abu Encik

So they will see as Encik, Ali. ok wat laugh.gif
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
their custom is different from the malays. so, if i befriend this orang putih because of a very long business deal, i would teach him some thing about my custom. why is that ignorant? i cannot teach people the proper way to call me now?
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:52 AM)
Orang putih rules, yo!

you should blame the sultan why didn't they invade england  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ May 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
their custom is different from the malays. so, if i befriend this orang putih because of a very long business deal, i would teach him some thing about my custom. why is that ignorant? i cannot teach people the proper way to call me now?
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if you "befriend" someone then obviously the formal convention no longer applies.
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 11:57 AM)
if you "befriend" someone then obviously the formal convention no longer applies.
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Based on the current american english culture being more dominant, they'll be calling each other "DUDE!!!" with such exclamation that your name doesn't even matter anymore
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Encik happy4evar...oppss...Cik happyselamalamanya


Added on May 12, 2009, 12:01 pmok time to go lunch..not much work in office today ...can troll wit /k/tard around

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:58 AM)
Based on the current american english culture being more dominant, they'll be calling each other "DUDE!!!" with such exclamation that your name doesn't even matter anymore
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guys=DUDE sad.gif

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:27 AM)
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 12 2009, 11:58 AM)
Based on the current american english culture being more dominant, they'll be calling each other "DUDE!!!" with such exclamation that your name doesn't even matter anymore
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frankly its not even a western thing. indians are addressed formally by their last names, as are chinese, thais, japanese etc etc etc.
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 12:05 PM)
frankly its not even a western thing. indians are addressed formally by their last names, as are chinese, thais, japanese etc etc etc.
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Indian's last name is their father's name too right?
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Perlis oso got Wan
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QUOTE(vorchiel @ May 12 2009, 10:56 AM)
megat megat dari indonesia
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not all megat are from indonesia

megat sometimes derived from a Perak Princess marrying to a commoner hence the children will be title Megat for male or Puteri for female.


there's a difference between Wan in Kedah/Perlis with Wan in Kelantan.




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QUOTE(samuraikacang @ May 12 2009, 12:44 PM)
not all megat are from indonesia

megat sometimes derived from a Perak Princess marrying to a commoner hence the children will be title Megat  for male or Puteri for female.
there's a difference between Wan in Kedah/Perlis with Wan in Kelantan.
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Megat is a hereditary title given to male descendants of the ancient Royal House of Pagar Ruyung. Its Minangkabau pronouncation is 'Magek' - derived from the word 'Maha Gaek' which means 'Great One'.

The female members of the family are given the hereditary title Puteri. Its Minangkabau pronouncation is 'Puti' which obviously means Princess.

The Megats and the Puteris are royalty by birth. However, it is a common practice to name a child with the titles Megat or Puteri whenever the mother is of Royal Blood (Raja or Tengku)and the father is a commoner. This is due to the fact that in Minangkabau tradition, the status of one's child will depend on their parents. As for Royalties, marrying a commoner is strictly forbidden. Hence, the seniority of the respective parent's families will determine the child's royal status.

The idea of having a Megat or a Puteri from a Royal mother and a commoner father was likely based on the lineage of the famous pioneer Megat in the Malay World - Megat Terawis. Megat Terawis was the first Bendahara of Perak and was known by the title Orang Kaya Bendahara Paduka Raja. He was the son of the Daulat Yang Dipertuan Pagar Ruyung. His descendants were holders of the Bendaharaship of Perak. One of his descendants, Megat Menjanas (Orang Kaya Bendahara Paduka Seri Maharaja), married Raja Shah Alam Sayong - a daughter of Sultan Muzaffar Shah II of Perak.

Obviously his descendants used the titles Megat and Puteri. Coincidently, the mother was a daughter of a Perak ruler, people have generalised the rule that for individuals with a Royal mother and a commoner father, have the right to use the titles Megat and Puteri for their children.

It should be highlighted that the original usage of Megat and Puteri are strictly for the descendants of the Royal Pagar Ruyung lineage. The descendants of Megat Terawis the First Bendahara of Perak still (to this very day) use the titles Megat and Puteri for their names and their children's.

Some of the prominent members of the Megat Terawis family are:

Dato' Seri Dr Megat Khas Bin Megat Omar
Dato' Megat Yunus Bin Megat Mohd Isa
Dato' Megat Othman Bin Megat Mohd Ali
Dato' Megat Mahmud Bin Megat Ismail
Dato' Seri Megat Jaafar Bin Megat Yunus
Tan Sri Dato' Megat Zaharuddin Bin Megat Mohd Nor
Tan Sri Megat Junid Bin Megat Ayub
Datuk Dr Megat Burhainuddin Bin Megat Abdul Rahman
Dato' Seri Megat Najmuddin Bin Megat Khas
Dato' Megat Mohamed Abdul Wahab Bin Megat Abu Bakar
Megat Zaharuddin Bin Megat Shamsudin
Megat Abdullah Rafaie Bin Megat Marzuki
Megat Mohamad Mentaha Bin Megat Alias

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Arjuna was in Bhagavad Gita.
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Tapi yg to "Suria" tak jadi.

Ia asal dari Bahasa Sanskrit !!
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Nama orang-orang Melayu ni ada tiga peringkat :-

Peringkat Pertama
Zaman purba sebelum kedatangan Islam. Contoh nama ; Melati, Kuntum, Melur, Komeng, dan lain-lain. Zaman tu nyer nama lebih kepada gelaran atau orang akan associate seorang individual tu dengan subjek tertentu. Nama-nama macam Melati dan Melur diambil dari bunga ... mungkin individu tu cantik macam bunga. Zaman ni tak ada BIN atau BINTI (BINTE actually).

Peringkat Kedua
Kedatangan Islam ... atau lebih tepat lagi kedatangan saudagar-saudagar dari India dan Pakistan. Wujudlah nama macam Jamalludin, Isarudin ... semua yang suffix ada DIN. Pengaruh Arab mungkin juga ada kat sini ... coz nama Arab Jordan, Syria, dsb ada DIN/BIN/BEN.

Peringkat Ketiga
Zaman sekarang ... cantuman nama bapak dan ibu. Sesetengah tu tak ada langsung makna di sebalik nama yang diberi. Kalau ada pun, tapi cantuman tu dah tak ada makna ... dah tak juxtaposed (place side by side).

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Mosly surname & name of Malay came from Arab word or meaning.

Like mine.
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since those are islamic/arabic naming style, how about non-muslim malay's name?

same wif hindu indian ?
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wat is surname, what is last name, and what is " your name"?
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I still have difficulties understanding the name "Abu Bakar"

Abu is ash.

Bakar is burn.

Doesn't it kinda like calling the son "burning ash" when naming him "Abu Bakar" ??
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Aren't those more like muslim name then malay name?
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QUOTE(convivencia @ May 12 2009, 11:31 AM)
I still have difficulties understanding the name "Abu Bakar"

Abu is ash.

Bakar is burn.

Doesn't it kinda like calling the son "burning ash" when naming him "Abu Bakar" ??
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there's a reason why we dont translate malay/arabic/islamic names into english.

abubakar in arabic means noble/nobility.
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burning ash.
cool what?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 12 2009, 07:47 PM)
there's a reason why we dont translate malay/arabic/islamic names into english.

abubakar in arabic means noble/nobility.
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Thank you.

I stayed in Middle East couple of years, I understand it's original meaning.

But what I am asking is in the Malay context ---> How in the world Malays naming their sons "Abu Bakar" with full knowledge that it means "Burning Ash" in Bahasa Melayu?

Please don't get me wrong, I mean no racial or whatever. This is a NAME thread, and we are talking about names.

My curiosity lies squarely on what I post above, without any added meaning (hinted or otherwise).

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QUOTE(convivencia @ May 12 2009, 12:10 PM)
Thank you.

I stayed in Middle East couple of years, I understand it's original meaning.

But what I am asking is in the Malay context ---> How in the world Malays naming their sons "Abu Bakar" with full knowledge that it means "Burning Ash" in Bahasa Melayu?

Please don't get me wrong, I mean no racial or whatever. This is a NAME thread, and we are talking about names.

My curiosity lies squarely on what I post above, without any added meaning (hinted or otherwise).
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they're using the names in context with the arabic meaning, not english. most of the malays are aware of the malay-english meaning, but it's not necessarily a bad sounding/meaning name.

similarly if a chinese name with english sounding words doesnt actually carry the english/malay meaning, right? i mean, who in the right mind would give their children's name "Yu Wang Kerr" or "Tong Sam Pah" (i totally made those up) biggrin.gif.
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ppl with name abu bakar often got nickname 'burn' and like it...


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I think it's a shame the Malays prefer to use Arabic names and not retain their original traditional Malay names.
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I think it's a shame the Malays prefer to use Arabic names and not retain their original traditional Malay names.
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It is because we adpted from Islam way.

Like if non-Muslim etc: Chinese or Indian convert to islam,they will change their name simmiliar with their old names meaning but toa arabic word.
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I think it's a shame the Malays prefer to use Arabic names and not retain their original traditional Malay names.
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I suggest you to read The Malay Dilemma by Tun Mahathir (1970s version) to understand the Malay psyche.
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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ May 12 2009, 08:36 PM)
It is because we adpted from Islam way.

Like if non-Muslim etc: Chinese or Indian convert to islam,they will change their name simmiliar with their old names meaning but toa arabic word.
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yes but many muslims who are not malay retain at least some part of their original ethnic name, but for the malays, its like the history has been wiped clean.
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QUOTE(WillHung @ May 12 2009, 08:31 PM)
I think it's a shame the Malays prefer to use Arabic names and not retain their original traditional Malay names.
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nope.... i liek especially teh prophet names
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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ May 12 2009, 08:36 PM)
It is because we adpted from Islam way.

Like if non-Muslim etc: Chinese or Indian convert to islam,they will change their name simmiliar with their old names meaning but toa arabic word.
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hmm... have you ever been to China?

They have 30 Million Muslims there.

Most of them don't have muslimized names. Some do, but most don't.

Still using Chinese names.
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Why we can't put kote as a name but omputeh can put di*k as their name.NO FAIR mad.gif

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When I sign up for all those international websites, forms or programmes or when they ask me my name, I take my own name + part of my dad's name, since they like 'First and Last' name so much.

Say, my name is Afiq bin Kopi Tiam, I give people the name Afiq Tiam
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QUOTE(thermo_reseat @ May 12 2009, 07:26 PM)
how about non-muslim malay's name?

same wif hindu indian ?
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ask the bali people
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tidak salahkan gna nama Arab?...........some race like to use Robert , Ray , etc etc......though not their origin name.........
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hey,where did u get this?great info. notworthy.gif

btw,im one of Megat Terawis descendents.my dad and my aunts always go for family reunion at kuala kangsar.
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in before Chinese use English name Johny,Jack,ah wang....ops.
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