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Duke Red
post May 12 2009, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(ravager877 @ May 11 2009, 07:52 PM)
Sigh.

Some of you know my story and about how I'm going to get married sometime mid next year. I had planned to keep things simple but it seems that suddenly things are going out of control...

As usual, all the problems of getting married have to do with MONEY. It seems interesting that there are already topics like this opened before I even posted this up. Here's the issue.

My fiancee is feeling very sad because she feels that as the bride, she should not have to pay for anything and that asking her to chip in on her own wedding is sad and degrading. Me on the other hand, cannot afford to pay for the entire ceremony for the following reasons.

1. Her mum requests a dowry of 3k+ which is cheap by most standards so I'm not complaining there.
2. Also requests 3 different Ang Pow. Its for tradition but the amount she didn't state yet.
3. Fiancee request Photo shoot worth about 2k++ (Damn expensive for photos you wont look at 6 months after your wedding)
4. The big whooper (Wedding dinner costing about 5k)
Haven't cover the the alcohol, gown rental and much much more...

All this I have to cover because my fiancee feels it is my responsibility...
So within the span of a year, I need to put away slightly over 10k (12 to be safe) only to watch it disappear...
And my fiancee wanna go honeymoon later as well....
Sigh...

I argued with her about this already and no solution in sight...

Damn sad...
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I won't go into that whole "money shouldn't matter when it comes to love" speech because in reality, it does. Like I said, we do live in the city and sadly, you need to make a decent living to live comfortably here. I could live a secluded life at the top of a mountain if I wanted to avoid the issue of money, but I choose not to. I assume you've made the same choice I have.

This is one of those situations where a little planning needs to come into play. Most people only realise they don't have enough money when they are faced with the situation. Why not have planned for this a year ago or so? Fact is that most of us will get married one day and have children so why not start saving now? When you do get married, you had best start saving in preparation for a child because I'm assuming it's one of the reasons for you getting hitched. I hear people complaining all the time about not being able to save and most of the time, it's rubbish. It's all about prioritising. If something is so important, then eat less, shop less, drink less or whatever.

How about you start saving up now since you have over a year to go? If she is that important to you, make some sacrifices. Do something on the side if you have to. Sell insurance or something. Where there's a will, there's a way.

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post May 12 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(bongobb @ May 12 2009, 02:22 PM)
IMHO, i don't see what's the problem sharing the wedding expenses, since it's both parties event, but of course if the guy willing to and have the capability to settle it then would be good. I'd say MARRIAGE is rather more important than WEDDING.  If one party not willing to compromise and sacrifies, how can a marriage last long even if you have a super grand wedding...

Just my 2 cents.
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What I know about women is that while they all plan to get married one day, they constantly think about their dream wedding. Yes it may only be a symbolic gesture of holy matrimony but it matters. Unlike men, women start planning their weddings early on in life. Yes marriage is more important but that doesn't make the wedding itself any less important if that makes sense. It may not make sense to most men but heck, it does to women and we have to respect that.

I doubt any woman would disagree with me.
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QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion @ May 12 2009, 02:48 PM)
12k not alot? 12k go cheong in Thailand you can be a king! Hell, it's even enough to buy a Vietnamese bride!
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In my honest opinion, 12K really isn't all that much considering the magnitude of the occasion. It isn't as though you get married every year.
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post May 12 2009, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(SPS @ May 12 2009, 02:52 PM)
Studies have also shown that the male mammalian species such as human beings like to procerate with as many fertile females as they can and spread their genes.

Do you really believe all these crap?
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Are you disputing the fact that women would have thought out their weddings from an early age? Ok so 5 may be a stretch but at least when they are old enough to understand the concept of being in a relationship. While I do not have studies to back up this claim I can safely say that if one were to conduct a test and ask 10 women, 9 out of the 10 would say they did.

The point is that while most men view weddings as mere a symbolic gesture and something they have to do to appease the family, women see it as a physical manisfestation of marriage. Men are known to forget birthdays, anniversaries and such but do most women? Like it or not we are different by design.


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QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion @ May 12 2009, 02:54 PM)
All TS ask for is  his bride to be is some understanding, is that too much to ask? We can all dispute whether the cost of wedding is high or not but that's relative. The fact is that he might not be able to afford it while his gf is unwilling to share the burden is the point.
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While I can try to empathise I've also been around long enough to know that there is always two sides to a coin. For all we know, his wife had spoken to him about marriage a long time back but he did nothing to prepare himself for it, financially or otherwise.

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post May 12 2009, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ May 12 2009, 02:59 PM)
Heh, my wife would disagree with you. In fact, I had to talk her into having a wedding dinner together with my mother-in-law. My own parents don't care much about the formalities. They're the very Western-educated type. My wife's parents are mostly okay too, but still feel like it was necessary to put on a show for the other relatives on my wife's side of the family. Personally, I don't care much for the tradition or being put on display but I was willing to put up with it for one night. Even so, neither of us put any effort into it whatsoever because we just couldn't be bothered. No speeches, no fancy music, no wedding car and decorations, no alcohol and toastings. We wanted to greet everyone, let them eat and send them on their way as soon as possible. I am proud to say that we were very poor hosts and it was a very, very bad wedding dinner.

Even to this day, 3 years later, my wife sometimes expresses regret that I managed to talk her into agreeing to have a wedding dinner at all. She thinks that it's a vain, meaningless and unenjoyable event held just to please others and not the two of us. She thinks that we should just have spent the money on increasing our honeymoon budget instead. Hehe. In general, both of us are not very sociable people and we hate doing things just for the sake of satisfying social conventions and showing off. We felt that it was much more meaningful to do different things for different sets of relatives and acquaintances together. For example, having lunch with our old school mates around a table, taking some of the younger members of the family to a karaoke etc.

This is also why the two of us get along very well.

Just a post to show that not all girls are like that, or enjoy the same things or think the same way and that it is not necessary to do things just because it is "expected" or "customary".
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A wedding and a wedding dinner are not necessarily the same thing. I think it's agreeable that most modern couples would rather not go through the formalities of having to invite and entertain people they've not seen before. Still, I doubt you'd have gotten away with doing nothing at all, even if it's just the two of you standing in front of the priest or whoever.
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post May 12 2009, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(SPS @ May 12 2009, 03:11 PM)
Ah yes, fall back to physcological studies, biological, culture, tradition or whatever to justify spending beyond one's means on a single event.

It makes as much sense as saying men should sow their seeds with as many fertile women as possible because it's hard-coded in their DNA.

Ever heard of personal choice?
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Right and in this instance your take is that 12K is an unacceptable amount for such an occassion? I doubt the TS is living in some small obscure village.

Yes, I've heard of personal choice and if this is the woman he has chosen to marry, perhaps he should do what's necessary, no? He can whine all he want but it's obvious his wife isn't going to budge. Whilst I do agree to a cost sharing solution, I don't see anyway out for him unless he's willing to fork out the 12K on his own. If he deems this to be an unreasonable amount, then don't get married.
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I can almost see a debate between two parties, one using logic and the other emotion. Fact is that women tend to be more emotional than men, hence the constant bickering between the two genders. Yes, women are more independant these days and some earn more than men. Logic would dictate that she should share the cost, what more if she is the bigger earner. However symbolically, men are seen as the head of the family. So then, the argument continues and there will be no end.
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QUOTE(SPS @ May 12 2009, 06:56 PM)
And yet it still remains a personal choice for both of them.

Who are we to condemn him with accusations of kiam siap etc?
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I'm not condemning him. I'm merely justifying my belief as to why this wedding is so important to his fiance and giving reasons why I feel she may be expecting him to fork out an amount, I deem as being reasonable. Never once did I call him a scrooge.

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