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TSryan man
post May 11 2009, 12:31 AM, updated 11y ago

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I'm eagerly waiting for this beauty in Bolehland...
And will Naza bring in Kia Ceed too? rclxub.gif

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post May 11 2009, 12:47 AM

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Rumour is that Forte might come in 3rd quarter of the year and heard pricing might be around 75K.
As for Kia Ceed, not sure. I haven't seen any Ceed in S'pore too.
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post May 11 2009, 12:50 AM

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how far is the rumour true?
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post May 11 2009, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ May 11 2009, 12:47 AM)
Rumour is that Forte might come in 3rd quarter of the year and heard pricing might be around 75K.
As for Kia Ceed, not sure. I haven't seen any Ceed in S'pore too.
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Do you think that Kia Forte will outsales City and Vios?
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QUOTE(musclemass @ May 11 2009, 12:50 AM)
how far is the rumour true?
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read it from another forum. so my guess is just as good as your guess

for the launch period, it could be quite true since our neighbour already launched it in February and I already saw a few on their roads. In SG, the pricing is around SGD4xKm which is lower than a Persona there selling around SGD52K, Vios and City also around SGD5xK. So pricing wise, it might also be true as rumoured to be around 75K.
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it ll sure kacau city and vios for sure...
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European styling from ex-Audi designer at lower price...

With good after sales service, this car will take sales from Vios and City

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post May 11 2009, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 11 2009, 01:58 AM)
European styling from ex-Audi designer at lower price...

With good after sales service, this car will take sales from Vios and City
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very good point
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post May 11 2009, 02:04 AM

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got pictures ?
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QUOTE(ryan man @ May 11 2009, 01:01 AM)
Do you think that Kia Forte will outsales City and Vios?
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that wouldn't happen coz malaysian's perception of honda and toyota brand is superior to that of KIA. that is why KIA is going for a bargain at lower price with good specs. If you see in US, kia and hyundai is picking up fast. even magazines are saying that korean's time is coming, with them having the technology, price competitiveness and now some good designs coming out.

I can't comment much about the interior quality, but the exterior looks of the Forte is really nice in real life. Just need to do some simple mod like lower the ride, put a diffuser, put front bumper lip and side skirtings, then tint the windows black a bit.

Even tough it may not outsell vios or city, but definitely it eat up their market share. btw, forte is actually meant to compete C segment cars like Civic and Altis in US. So spec wise, surely better than vios and city


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got pictures ?
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Go google, search for KIA Cerato Forte or just KIA Forte. many pictures and even videos on youtube. Don't be so lazy, go search

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post May 11 2009, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 11 2009, 01:58 AM)
European styling from ex-Audi designer at lower price...

With good after sales service, this car will take sales from Vios and City
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Can't agreed more..
Last week i went to the Kia's showroom..
1 of the salesman said that this car will be launch in Malaysia around Jun and July..
In terms of exterior and safety, i'll bet my penny on forte as Koreans are well known by its safety..
Realized or not, Koreans car are tougher than those Jap car...


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Here's the picture... Lazybumps.

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Those who are interested, pls goto Kia showrooms and bug the salesmen on when it will be available, then they'll know it's desirable and in demand, and hopefully bring it in ASAP. haha!

It's already available in SG, but so far, I haven't seen any yet here in JB. I agree with PaulTan that it's the 1st Korean model that looks desirable and attractive! happy.gif

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I bet Naza will bring the Forte for less than 80k. Still a C segment car underneath the price of the current B segment champions like vios and city it will be a good seller here.



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2nd hand value will be terrible as always and bad fc

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post May 11 2009, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(hazremi @ May 11 2009, 09:07 AM)
2nd hand value will be terrible as always and bad fc
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haz,

your point on the resale value may hold some water but about the fc, i think you are just saying it without knowing anything. is it because of the old kia cars that made u say such a thing? if yes, then i agree. my old kia sephia was terrible with fc but it is not the case with the newer spectra5. modern kia models have very good fc. please don't say unsubstantiated stuff.
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There's also a Forte Hybrid with lithium polymer batteries (first in the world to use it). About 21.5 km/litres. Can any Japanese car beat that?

For safety, the Forte has 63% high tensile steel and should get a 5-Star NCAP rating.

The design is by Peter Schreyer. As Audi´s chief designer between 1994 and 2002, he was credited with revamping the Audi brand with a number of revolutionary new auto designs. From 2002 to 2005, he was the chief designer for Volkswagen and since 2005 has been the head of advanced design for the Volkswagen group, earning critical acclaim for several crucial product launches, featuring a range of unique design concepts.

His outstanding creative work has led to many national and international awards, including the Design Award of the Federal Republic of Germany and the world famous red dot award. He has also won the German National Design Award several times for helping to propel the German auto industry in new directions with his sporty and innovative designs.

PETER SCHREYER DESIGN TRACK RECORD

Volkswagen Design / Projects:

Concept Cars:
* Concept 1 (New Beetle)
* Concept C (Eos)
* Concept R (Roadster)
* Concept T (Buggy)
* GX 3 (Three Wheeler)
* Microbus
* Ragster

Passenger Cars:
* Golf IV & Variant
* Jetta
* Passat B 5 & Variant
* Lupo & Seat Arosa
* New Beetle
* Golf V & Golf Plus
* Golf GTI & Golf R32
* Jetta
* Passat B 6 & Variant
* Eos
* Compact SUV

Commercial Vehicles:
* LT 2
* LT 3
* Constellation (24 ton truck)

Racing:
* Race Touareg


Audi Design / Projects:

Concept Cars:
* Quattro Spider
* Audi TT & AUDI TTS
* AL 2 & AL 2 open end
* Steppenwolf
* Allroad Quattro
* Avantissimo
* Rosemeyer

Passenger Cars:
* Audi A2
* Audi A3 & A3 Sportsback
* Audi A4 & A4 Avant + Audi Cabrio
* Audi A6 & A6 Avant + Allroad
* Audi A8
* Audi TT & Audi TT Roadster

Racing:
* R8 racing car LeMans

Lamborghini Design / Projects:
* Murcielago
* Gallardo

Of course, when Kia is mentioned they'll always bring up 'RESALE VALUE' but conveniently leave it out when Alfa Romeo, Benz, BMW, Audi, Fiat, etc. are mentioned. thumbup.gif Malaysia Boleh!! Forget it lah lowpro, better if these guys DON'T buy Forte, better get a City/Vios/Civic/Altis and they can feel they've 'made it' in life and have excellent resale value.

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what's the fc of the 1.6 forte? u hv info on this? at least the guys n gals here can c the comparison with malaysia's "favourite" models. is there a 1.8 forte? i know there is a 2.0. any idea if this is coming in?

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QUOTE(hazremi @ May 11 2009, 09:07 AM)
2nd hand value will be terrible as always and bad fc
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saying something or making statement like that is pretty much reflect your kind of brain cell. just last week my company brought in 2 used waja, december of 2007, how much? 25k only. 3 Gen2 December of 2007 too, how much? 23k.

Tell me which car is not loosing money? i am trying to say is, you are stupid for not knowing what is liability and what is investment. A vehicle is a liability.
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QUOTE(pixma_dude @ May 11 2009, 10:27 AM)
saying something or making statement like that is pretty much reflect your kind of brain cell. just last week my company brought in 2 used waja, december of 2007, how much? 25k only. 3 Gen2 December of 2007 too, how much? 23k.

Tell me which car is not loosing money? i am trying to say is, you are stupid for not knowing what is liability and what is investment. A vehicle is a liability.
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post May 11 2009, 10:39 AM

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4 bad points.

a. Poor resale value after 3 years.
b. Expensive spare parts.
c. Lousy fuel economy.
d. The name itself is bad enough.

KIA - Killed In Action

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QUOTE(acbc @ May 11 2009, 10:39 AM)
4 bad points.

a. Poor resale value after 3 years.
b. Expensive spare parts.
c. Lousy fuel economy.
d. The name itself is bad enough.

KIA - Killed In Action
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a. Poor resale value after 3 years. - you don't know yet, you can't tell the future.
b. Expensive spare parts. - you don't know yet, its not even launched yet.
c. Lousy fuel economy. - you don't own the car (i'm assuming you're in malaysia). so, you don't know yet.
d. The name itself is bad enough. - this maybe is acceptable wink.gif


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QUOTE(pixma_dude @ May 11 2009, 10:27 AM)
saying something or making statement like that is pretty much reflect your kind of brain cell. just last week my company brought in 2 used waja, december of 2007, how much? 25k only. 3 Gen2 December of 2007 too, how much? 23k.

Tell me which car is not loosing money? i am trying to say is, you are stupid for not knowing what is liability and what is investment. A vehicle is a liability.
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can be investment.if u rent it out and make money,or use for business.the forte looks decent enuff.i just want to know how it drives
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On the contrary, my company did a survey of Spectra5, Optima and Sportage spare parts - fast moving, medium and accident repair compared to Japanese equivalents. The Kias were CHEAPER!

The Optima's GEMA engine is used in the Mitsubishi Lancer, Jeep Compass, Peugeot 4007, etc. but NO ONE talks about FC when other brands are used.

No point convincing the Kia haters. Let them buy Japanese makes and be happy with their 'Resale Value' and PERCEIVED 'lower priced' spares! For them, perception and speculation is more important than doing research.
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QUOTE(acbc @ May 11 2009, 10:39 AM)
4 bad points.

a. Poor resale value after 3 years.
b. Expensive spare parts.
c. Lousy fuel economy.
d. The name itself is bad enough.

KIA - Killed In Action
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haih..typical malaysian mentality..cant be change...org pemikiran sempit susah mau ubah..

this the kia forte review by sgcarmart

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=96

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this car really good, but not sure about the engine spec and fuel consumption, as for the maintenance, i believe every car is almost the same, depends on your knowledge on cars, not just simply go in to a workshop say i want to do XXkm service...

and also what type of transmission this car use?

72k sounds tempting, but vios J still a bit cheaper, but if it is me i will choose this car over vios and city, since the new city are more expensive smile.gif
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QUOTE(amduser @ May 11 2009, 12:35 PM)
and also what type of transmission this car use?

72k sounds tempting, but vios J still a bit cheaper, but if it is me i will choose this car over vios and city, since the new city are more expensive  smile.gif
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Vios and City are just B segment car, whereas Forte is a C segment car, meaning same class as Civic/ Corolla/ Sylphy/Lancer.....from value point of view, it is affordable and bargain...

In Singapore, Kia Forte is offered with 4 speed automatic transmission...

Other markets, 5 speed automatic transmission also provided
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wow, just read the review .... can be that cheap meh ? got 6 disc cd changer and auto climate aircond wor ....

well, really good value for money, just buy it and don't think of selling it will be the right mind. It is a very nice car ....
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I think they're quite serious about it as they've brought some local journos to Namyang R&D Centre to drive the Forte and Koup.

http://paultan.org/archives/2009/04/28/kia...yang-rd-centre/
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QUOTE(hazremi @ May 11 2009, 09:07 AM)
2nd hand value will be terrible as always and bad fc
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Are u sure?
Please don't think that all Koreans have bad FC..
This car is powered by CVVT engine, which is quite reliable and in par with VVTI and V-Tec


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biker,

what's the fc of the 1.6 forte? u hv info on this? at least the guys n gals here can c the comparison with malaysia's "favourite" models. is there a 1.8 forte? i know there is a 2.0. any idea if this is coming in?
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There's a coupe version of this car named KIA KOUP..
From what i heard, this coupe version is powered by 2.0 litre engine and the closest rivals are Hyundai Coupe 2.0.

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http://www.kia-world.net/index.php/2008/07...tions-released/

This report says about 14.1 km/l for the 1.6L Automatic. Thats around Honda Jazz level I think. I remember driving a Jazz once with similar FC recorded on the dash. Kia will definitely save the 2.0L for the Koup for ASEAN region.

I believe the rated 1.6 AT figure is 7.1 litres per 100km. Very impressive! flex.gif

But I really like the Forte. I've joined the 'Kia Forte' fan page on Facebook even.

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QUOTE(michael_ckh @ May 11 2009, 01:33 PM)
wow, just read the review .... can be that cheap meh ? got 6 disc cd changer and auto climate aircond wor ....

well, really good value for money, just buy it and don't think of selling it will be the right mind. It is a very nice car ....
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On the contrary I think they will have a high grade version with lots of specs put in. The latest Optima high grade for example has almost all specs the V6 Optima has - stability control, Infinity audio system, subwoofer, electric seats, in dash 6CD changer, motorised seats, Nappa leather + suede upholstery, 17" wheels, Michelin made in France tyres, etc.
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rm75k for the 1.6 or 2.0? brows.gif
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I seriously doubt they can achieve that sort of price for the 1.6L Sedan, as it's a Mazda3/Civic/Corolla competitor. I'd say high 80s to high 90s minimum. Must be pricier than the Latio, at least. Kia ain't cheap no more.
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should be for the 1.6 since 2.0 was planned for the coupe version.
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122hp and 156nm...for 1.6...not bad...but very typical sedan with sporty look

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I had a Kia Spectra once... Yeah, it was alright... Til the part where I almost died in it... F*cking thing's brakes weren't working! Almost smashed into a Mercedes in front of me... God damn Spectra... Good thing its gone now...

Now, the Forte and the Koup looks very nice... Kia's moving up in the automotive world... As long as the car dont try to kill you, its all good...

Now, for some actual information for you...

Actual Information For You

There ya go... Too long to read, couldn't be f*cked... Might come in handy for what your looking for...
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QUOTE(almattitude_v1 @ May 11 2009, 05:34 PM)
I had a Kia Spectra once... Yeah, it was alright... Til the part where I almost died in it... F*cking thing's brakes weren't working! Almost smashed into a Mercedes in front of me... God damn Spectra... Good thing its gone now...

Now, the Forte and the Koup looks very nice... Kia's moving up in the automotive world... As long as the car dont try to kill you, its all good...

Now, for some actual information for you...

Actual Information For You

There ya go... Too long to read, couldn't be f*cked... Might come in handy for what your looking for...
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the 2.4L and 2.0L are the real deal nod.gif

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QUOTE(BikerVoodoo @ May 11 2009, 05:23 PM)
I seriously doubt they can achieve that sort of price for the 1.6L Sedan, as it's a Mazda3/Civic/Corolla competitor. I'd say high 80s to high 90s minimum. Must be pricier than the Latio, at least. Kia ain't cheap no more.
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Forte should be in the range of a Hyundai Elantra. So if 2.0 expect it to be around 93K, if 1.6 expect it to be mid 70s to 80k.

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But for the Forte they need to pay more for Peter Schreyer's design. Hehehe.
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hey guys,

I read somewhere that naza will be bringing kia soul, forte coupe on 2nd half to msia...but din mention abt forte cerato...

can't wait to c this car in msia!!!
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QUOTE(BikerVoodoo @ May 11 2009, 05:23 PM)
I seriously doubt they can achieve that sort of price for the 1.6L Sedan, as it's a Mazda3/Civic/Corolla competitor. I'd say high 80s to high 90s minimum. Must be pricier than the Latio, at least. Kia ain't cheap no more.
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I thought this Forte is in the same category with City and Vios? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(ryan man @ May 11 2009, 09:49 PM)
I thought this Forte is in the same category with City and Vios? icon_question.gif
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in term of price range, this is between city and vios
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in terms of price, it should fall around city/vios but you will be getting a civic/altis sized car for vios/city money. good? it will probably have very high specifications too... probably even more than the japanese counterparts.
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i guess this car will be around 90k...

prob with this car - sparepart and 2nd hand value... from what i see...fc will be much better but definitely not as good as vios
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QUOTE(hazremi @ May 12 2009, 09:36 AM)
i guess this car will be around 90k...

prob with this car - sparepart and 2nd hand value... from what i see...fc will be much better but definitely not as good as vios
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If its a hot model, eventually they will hav loads of spare parts later on. hehe rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Its the turning point for KIA, with their youthful and more sporty models such like the soul and the forte, all developed courtesy from the outstanding kia ceed.

I cant wait to look for one, but still have doubts as KIA dont have 3rd party parts to play modifications. wink.gif
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HKS did a Genesis Coupe. Hopefully HKS can play a part in the aftermarket development of the Koup as well.
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last month saw a red s'pore registered kia forte at sg besi-puchong h'way near kinrara...wat can i say...look milessssss better in real flesh! rclxms.gif




at 75k its really worth it than those snobby overpriced CKD japs civic & corolla! nod.gif
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http://www.kia-world.net/index.php/category/kia-forte/ <--- More stories here.
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kia and hyundai both use gamma engine?

hmm gamma or gema? hmm.gif

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The red colour Forte looks good for me..
Way better than the dugong and city...
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QUOTE(ryan man @ May 12 2009, 06:02 PM)
The red colour Forte looks good for me..
Way better than the dugong and city...
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for the same money as the vios or city? its gotta be much better... which i think it will be smile.gif
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How about Kia Soul?
Is naza going to bring this car to malaysia?
From what i heard, Japan's teenagers kinda like this type of boxy car... (Nissan Cube)
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The Forte Koup uses the GEMA Theta II engine, of which you can view more info here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine...turing_Alliance ... it's shared with Mitsubishi and Chrysler!
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I believe the 1.6 Forte will uses back the Beta 2 engine which powered the previous gen of cerato (not avail in mysia) while the 2.0 will use the GEMA engine.

The 2.0 has very great potential for modification, but the 1.6 engine is quite decent enough.
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QUOTE(BikerVoodoo @ May 13 2009, 02:04 PM)
The Forte Koup uses the GEMA Theta II engine, of which you can view more info here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine...turing_Alliance ... it's shared with Mitsubishi and Chrysler!
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what u mean gema theta II engine...i thought theta II engine is different from gema engine produced from the alliance? hmm.gif confused

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"Theta II" is the hyundai/kia name for the GEMA engine like 4b11,4b12 to mitsubishi... wink.gif

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Reader acesDSI spotted this Kia Forte with JPJ plates roaming the streets of Batu 3 Shah Alam heading towards Section 20 Shah Alam. It looks like the good-looking Kia Forte is going to be launched soon, and sources in Naza say it’s most likely to be offered in CKD locally assembled form.

Although we cannot really see the badge on the car because of the resolution of the photos, the photographer said the car had Naza badges on, so maybe what we’re going to get is a Naza Forte instead of a Kia Forte.

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There are positive and negative points about that, firstly having a Naza badge on is likely to give the company more bargaining power with duties resulting in a lower price, which is ultimately beneficial for consumers if a simple badge swap (that could even be supplier by showrooms) will “fix” it. Secondly it will stop potential customers from waiting for Naza Kia to Naza-ize a Kia Forte in anticipation of further price drops.

If the Naza Forte is to become a proper bread and butter sedan for Naza Kia it has to replace the Spectra in the product range so expect it to come with a 1.6 liter engine, with larger engines reserved for the Kia Koup 2-door coupe which I tested in South Korea recently.


http://paultan.org/archives/2009/05/14/new...d-in-shah-alam/

Small engine and locally assembled, suddenly no more appetite already, haih...
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QUOTE(rcracer @ May 14 2009, 02:54 PM)
http://paultan.org/archives/2009/05/14/new...d-in-shah-alam/

Small engine and locally assembled, suddenly no more appetite already, haih...
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i felt bit dissapointed also becos saw this car with sporty look but small engine...but back to reality, this 1.6L suppose to compete with vios or city...then its quite good also if cheaper

2.0/2.4L is for koup...using Gema engine...



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To replace the Spectra means it's going to be in RM80k range. hmm.gif
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The wait is almost over...

http://paultan.org/archives/2009/05/14/new...d-in-shah-alam/
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And it is looking real good too ... hopefully they do price it lower than Vios or City considering that Msians are still skeptical on Kias'. A lower price would definitely help out as besides National cars we have another option.
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No matter how good this car is gonna be,I can bet my nuts that in no way that this car is going to ever touch CITY and VIOS sales.No way.

M'sians are still too fond of Japanese makes and this one will definately be a good seller but will not affect city n vios sales.
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i think the price will be around 75k to 80k, which is similar to spectra5 when it was launched. i don't think will be below 70k or else waja & persona will be much affected.

the car size is almost similar to the current civic, so why not this car rather than the smaller vios/city?



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Malaysian mindset is very much brand oriented and not product oriented. For each guy here saying Kia is on the right path of improvement, 10 guys out there are saying korean cars guzzle fuel, expensive parts, no power, etc ... and they worship japanese brands.

My prediction is, at best case the sales volume would be something like the current Hyundai Elantra unless Naza gives an attractive price.

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QUOTE(killdavid @ May 15 2009, 09:44 AM)
Malaysian mindset is very much brand oriented and not product oriented. For each guy here saying Kia is on the right path of improvement, 10 guys out there are saying korean cars guzzle fuel, expensive parts, no power, etc ... and they worship japanese brands.

My prediction is, at best case the sales volume would be something like the current Hyundai Elantra unless Naza gives an attractive price.
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stupid people with stupid perception, especially those elderly, they dont want to change and dont want to be changed. i bet most of them never drive a korea car before, all is just listen to others, well, at least some of us also listen from friends and family...

as long as not japanese car then the car no good, japanese car have the best quality, ya, so-called "best" quality, korea car no good, car made by communist

japanese car save fuel, VVTI and VTEC very good, very powerful, you want to compare a 1.5 VVTI with 102hp on engine horsepower with a 185hp engine? not at the same range lar doh.gif

japanese car spare part cheap and very easy to get, genuine some more, most of them being without knowing themself being conned, as long as the sales is over certain numbers, they will bring in more spare part, and why do we need original when 3rd party better with the same price?

unfortunately, there are many people who dont like to change the way they think just like what i said above, i personally encountered many this kind of people, mostly elderly, when some same age range with me also got.... shakehead.gif



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spted in s alam.. ths is real guud.. but beter naza sells it..as naza brand. cheaper.
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ya, when ppl heard about kia or hyundai, 1st thing they will say is high fc lah, no value lah, expensive spare parts lah... etc....

but in fact they never drive one before, just heard from friend's friend, cousin brother's son's friend, etc...

so i guess this is the challenge that naza and sime darby have to overcome before they can make good business.

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saw this car yesterday in putrajaya. tried to catch up to get a look at the front but there's too much cars during lunchtime. the design looks cool anyway. smile.gif
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QUOTE(blackpc @ May 15 2009, 10:44 AM)
saw this car yesterday in putrajaya. tried to catch up to get a look at the front but there's too much cars during lunchtime. the design looks cool anyway. smile.gif
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did u see naza logo or not?
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I believe it will be rebatch as naza logo rather than kia. That will decrease the car's value despite the forte is a much better car compare to the B segment models like vios or city.

Furthermore with Naza's poor reputation on aftersales on its models like sutra, I not putting much hopes on this Naza Forte, although I would like to see some improvement.

Still people should not discard such a good value for money sedan here.
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QUOTE(atah @ May 15 2009, 10:39 AM)
ya, when ppl heard about kia or hyundai, 1st thing they will say is high fc lah, no value lah, expensive spare parts lah... etc....

but in fact they never drive one before, just heard from friend's friend, cousin brother's son's friend, etc...

so i guess this is the challenge that naza and sime darby have to overcome before they can make good business.
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exactly, unless everyone start to say that kia forte fc very good, can reach 20km/liter

or the car is using VVTI or i-VTEC technology yawn.gif
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QUOTE(amduser @ May 15 2009, 12:08 PM)
exactly, unless everyone start to say that kia forte fc very good, can reach 20km/liter

or the car is using VVTI or i-VTEC technology yawn.gif
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i think some hyundai engine got cvvt.

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Well, if it has a Kia badge, Malaysians will complain too expensive. Slap on local badge and bring down, they'll complain about the badge. Willing to pay RM10-20k more for the Kia badge? A Forte is still a Forte.

Put on 2.0L they'll say too big. Put in a 1.6L DOHC CVVT with 124PS output and they'll say too small (but no complaints with 1.5Ls in the Vios/City).

Quality - nothing specific but just speculation. They've not inspected CKD New Optima, Sportage or Spectra5, no knowledge of how to benchmark. But as always, speculation is top priority for Malaysians! Have they compared Optima side by side with an Accord or Camry? Observed panel gaps, etc.?

http://www.kia-world.net/index.php/category/kia-forte/

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I think they should offer a few variants but obviously, a bigger c.c. like 2.0 is preferred (if I were to buy).
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QUOTE(amduser @ May 15 2009, 12:08 PM)
exactly, unless everyone start to say that kia forte fc very good, can reach 20km/liter

or the car is using VVTI or i-VTEC technology yawn.gif
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current models of kia and hyundai already using cvvt, which is equivalent to vvti/ivtec. most likely forte will be using the same engine as spectra5, 1.6 cvvt timing chain.

it will not be possible to have a 1.3 ton car with 1.6 engine to achieve 20km/l, then those ppl need to look for kelisa or viva or maybe savvy. i'll be happy for 12km/l for urban driving.



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QUOTE(atah @ May 15 2009, 01:32 PM)
current models of kia and hyundai already using cvvt, which is equivalent to vvti/ivtec. most likely forte will be using the same engine as spectra5, 1.6 cvvt timing chain.

it will not be possible to have a 1.3 ton car with 1.6 engine to achieve 20km/l, then those ppl need to look for kelisa or viva or maybe savvy. i'll be happy for 12km/l for urban driving.
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if come out 1.6 ,sorry no way.
the looks already very good.
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QUOTE(dantck @ May 15 2009, 01:39 PM)
if come out 1.6 ,sorry no way.
the looks already very good.
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ya, 2.0 will be more suitable for this car but it will then affect the optima, unless they are bringing in the optima 2.4

but with 124hp, that's not too bad as it's already one of the highest for 1.6 engines



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1.6 is really a disappoinment...... 2.0 would be a perfect buy......
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Most likely this Forte is powered by 1.6 litre cvvt engine..
And maybe the 2.0litre engine will be available in the KOUP (coupe version).
I realize some of u guys here expect to have a 2.0 litre engine with the same price range with City and Dugong.
In ur dreams dude..
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But if it comes out as 2.0, the price will be alot different. By that time ppl will compare it against Civic and Altis instead of Vios/City. But heck if its 90k-100k with 2.0 its still cheaper den the Japs.

Koup shud be 2.0 if im not mistaken.

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Looking a numerous pictures there seem to be a few different front bumper design. Some are quite sporty and nice while the default one looks plain.
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Honda Shivik headlights + Honda Shitti rear lights. If they made the body rounder...
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The square body is similar to Lancer type and the tail light is similar in audi a4 (opposite direction). hehe

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Guess the so called world reknowned designer's just a marketing gadget he probably dug the design out from his recycle bin.
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if you read paultan review there were 2.0 and 2.4 forte tested...koup and the other one has 4 door...but dont expect it to be around 70k

u have many options...dont be so disappointed

not so sure naza will bring the 2.0 and 2.4 though

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if you read paultan review there were 2.0 and 2.4 forte tested...koup and the other one has 4 door...but dont expect it to be around 70k

u have many options...dont be so disappointed

not so sure naza will bring the 2.0 and 2.4 though
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even if it is 85-95k for the 2.0, i would buy........ maybe comparing the price with sylphy then.......... of course, it is still cheap. 2.0 is definitely the perfect 1...... 1.6 is too low for a c segment car
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QUOTE(ryan man @ May 15 2009, 02:10 PM)
Most likely this Forte is powered by 1.6 litre cvvt engine..
And maybe the 2.0litre engine will be available in the KOUP (coupe version).
I realize some of u guys here expect to have a 2.0 litre engine with the same price range with City and Dugong.
In ur dreams dude..
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if the government ddid tax the car then for sure can get around that price for 2.0 tongue.gif

if it is around RM70k, then for sure it is only around 1.6cc, 2.0cc should be 100k and above.
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QUOTE(advocado @ May 15 2009, 02:25 PM)
Guess the so called world reknowned designer's just a marketing gadget he probably dug the design out from his recycle bin.
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in design we can only have straight lines or curves, round or square. so combination is used, and some of them will look similar. as long as the overall shape looks nice and aerodynamic is good, who cares who copy who...

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QUOTE(amduser @ May 15 2009, 03:19 PM)
if the government ddid tax the car then for sure can get around that price for 2.0 tongue.gif

if it is around RM70k, then for sure it is only around 1.6cc, 2.0cc should be 100k and above.
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2.0cc Hundai Elantar baru RM93,000, without diskaun. This price oso so few buy.

How can u say Kai Forte 2.0cc = 100k abouve. Who will buy then?

1.6cc RM70 sure ppl buy... then few month down the road, Poton Honda Toyota will make big noise and force price up...
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QUOTE(atah @ May 15 2009, 01:42 PM)
ya, 2.0 will be more suitable for this car but it will then affect the optima, unless they are bringing in the optima 2.4

but with 124hp, that's not too bad as it's already one of the highest for 1.6 engines
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campro cps 125bhp
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QUOTE(Pulltea88 @ May 15 2009, 04:15 PM)
2.0cc Hundai Elantar baru RM93,000, without diskaun. This price oso so few buy.

How can u say Kai Forte 2.0cc = 100k abouve. Who will buy then?

1.6cc RM70 sure ppl buy... then few month down the road, Poton Honda Toyota will make big noise and force price up...
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Hope it has Manual version.
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QUOTE(atah @ May 15 2009, 04:38 PM)
125 only for exora. waja & gen2 only 121
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QUOTE(advocado @ May 15 2009, 02:25 PM)
Guess the so called world reknowned designer's just a marketing gadget he probably dug the design out from his recycle bin.
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At least it doesn't look bland like the Toyota Vios...

The car design line at least looks more refined, dynamic and certainly sleek unlike bloated Vios front...
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QUOTE(atah @ May 15 2009, 04:38 PM)
125 only for exora. waja & gen2 only 121
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Hyundai brand in mysia is seem going into oblivion. KahBinatng and Oriental Holdings has been consolidated with Sime Darby, meaning all Hyundai cars will be marketed and distributed by Sime Darby.

The fate for sedan models like accent, sonata and elantra is remain a question here. I saw a few Kah Bintang showrooms in PJ has been closed down since. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 15 2009, 07:35 PM)
At least it doesn't look bland like the Toyota Vios...

The car design line at least looks more refined, dynamic and certainly sleek unlike bloated Vios front...
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i agree. ppl say copy there and here. but as the result it looks not too aggressive but great. Eurasian i would say sweat.gif

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QUOTE(xshiro @ May 15 2009, 09:00 PM)
i agree. ppl say copy there and here. but as the result it looks not too aggressive but great. Eurasian i would say sweat.gif
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Once people had the mindset of Korean cars are inferior than Japanese car, people will stick with that mindset, no matter how good Korean car is...

In this case, the design is hardly called as "copy", similiarities, yes, because this is a mainstream car, what can you expect from a mainstream car....

Again, the design is an accomplished one, with sleek lines and knowing that, the design is penned by someone who is famous for designed the first generation Audi TT, enough to describe his accomplishment...
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if this called as copy, then how about those wajalution and wiralution? doh.gif
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If they bring in the Hyundai Veracruz and Equus, I wonder what will happen. hmm.gif
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If they bring in the Hyundai Veracruz and Equus, I wonder what will happen.  hmm.gif
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Hyundai Equus not gonna beat Bmw and Merc in Bolehland considering its price and Brand..
Majority people in bolehland thinks that Korean's car sux.. (Typical mindset)
They prefer BMW and MERC becoz these cars will make them more elegant..
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bring in kia soul also smile.gif
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bring in kia soul also  smile.gif
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Kia Soul rocks..
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Whatever Korean's car manufacturer did, typical people with typical mindset will say that Koreans are copycat... doh.gif

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Whatever Korean's car manufacturer did, typical people with typical mindset will say that Koreans are copycat... doh.gif
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Hard to change their mindset...

Whatever it is, i felt Korean cars really has improved over time smile.gif
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QUOTE(ryan man @ May 15 2009, 10:28 PM)
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Kia Soul rocks..
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some people might pronounce it kiasu tongue.gif

kia forte really a nice car, i wish i can own one of this, but only in my dream....
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QUOTE(xshiro @ May 15 2009, 11:43 AM)
did u see naza logo or not?
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 15 2009, 10:56 PM)
Hard to change their mindset...

Whatever it is, i felt Korean cars really has improved over time  smile.gif
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but it depends on how do u define the 'resale value'.

if u look at the amount, then it's similar if not better than other makes.

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i agree. ppl say copy there and here. but as the result it looks not too aggressive but great. Eurasian i would say sweat.gif
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eurasian = honda accord euro honda accord = asian euro = european styling therefore it looks eurasian LOLS, go google latest accord euro picture
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eurasian = honda accord euro honda accord = asian  euro = european styling therefore it looks eurasian LOLS, go google latest accord euro picture
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Do you think that Kia Forte will outsales City and Vios?
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Its a good and awesome car.But no way it will touch Vios and City sales.

It has terrible 2nd hand value.That one is sure to turn away many prospective buyers.

This car is just gonna be like the Ford Focus in Malaysia.Good car,but just not popular with the masses.
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singapore launch quite long already

i got the photo too
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resale value resale value resale value...no other point?ure going to sell ur car after several months izit?
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If you never sell your car, you will never have to worry about residuals. But then again maintenance costs will ligner around. It is a balance between maintenance costs and risidual.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 12 2009, 06:55 PM)
Its a good and awesome car.But no way it will touch Vios and City sales.

It has terrible 2nd hand value.That one is sure to turn away many prospective buyers.

This car is just gonna be like the Ford Focus in Malaysia.Good car,but just not popular with the masses.
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because there are many typical malaysian with typical mindset, toyota and honda is forever the best for them, if nissan sunny and datsun still in production for sure it will outsale all the car, because old car more "tough" doh.gif

if i'm going to buy this car, i wont even give a damn on the 2nd hand value and i'll be using this car for at least more than 5 years.
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QUOTE(bear bear @ Jun 12 2009, 07:44 PM)
singapore launch quite long already

i got the photo too
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kia+forte+pictures
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can't wait for the kia forte sedan to come in! i think will be selling well in m'sia rclxms.gif
there are some minor probs discussed in singapore forum by the owners but the car is damn good looking lol! hope that it'll be priced competitively and i could own one then brows.gif
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QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 12 2009, 08:39 PM)
because there are many typical malaysian with typical mindset, toyota and honda is forever the best for them, if nissan sunny and datsun still in production for sure it will outsale all the car, because old car more "tough" doh.gif

if i'm going to buy this car, i wont even give a damn on the 2nd hand value and i'll be using this car for at least more than 5 years.
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Fortunately 90% of the masses who actually have the money Dont think like you.Resale value is important in determining whether ppl buy that particular car.

Its not typical M'sian mindset.It just shows to you that ppl analyze and think carefully before they buy.

Ppl are wiser and know how to LOSE less money instead of buying something,knowing that you are gonna lose alot of money.Only stupid ppl do that.


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For those who are lazy to google, nah da pic:

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Can this car make change to Kia's resale value in Malaysia? We wait and see smile.gif
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A Kia salesman told me that this car will be available in Malaysia around August...
It will be priced lower than the Vios TRD and City..

Will you'll pick Forte if the Kia Optima2.0 prices (which is commonly used as taxi) are lower than 80k?
Now, Kia's are having promotion..
The Kia Optima (not the Novus Spec) is just rm79k...

Will people choose Optima instead of Forte consider its engine capacity (2.0) and nicer interior?

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c which 1 engine is newer , kia old engine makan minyak leh, my uncle kia spectra minum petrol leh ...
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Hi, sorry for Joning late;

yes forte is already on sell in SG.. for 4mths and is selling well..very well

its FC is very very good 12~13km/l on 1.6A (real life usage) paper showing 14km/l combined..
1.6 and 2.0 avails us comes with 2.4!

Cant beat vios in FC but sure a vios killer inside out.
i would say its better than City anytime.. but hey..its a korean brand.. so..
Specs wise, Forte hands down alone with ESC in this price bracket.
stock 17" low profile..
6 airbags for 2.0L offer, cluster instruments.. (aka instant FC etc.. computer).. ipod / usb connector.. and the list continue...
Let down being its MDPS, its too light with not much feedback (but was told uk program / firmware is better, not sure though.) and a hydraulic version is available too for lower end model..
yes while being 1.6/124ps its has a very smooth.. engine.. (tested) (US market even gets 5 speed auto) unlike CPS hard to drive nature. laugh.gif no offense.

it does has its few bugs from the initials batch (as of this writing), i.e knocking sound over hump, little sound here and there.

reliability wise.. in us kia offers 5 yrs / 100k, so i would trust its engine i think.

As for the Malaysia version, think boils down to the localized specs that naza / kia AD will want to launch.. if strips bare... then its nothing to shout about.. but for the shape.. its principle designer is from EX-Audi (original TT designer) so.. copying? haaa.. well...

Finally, until its confirmed official launch, its anybody guess.. full options forte matches even honda Civic in every aspect.. if not more..
koup hits 5 stars EuroNcap.. waiting for forte to be tested.. haa.

for those interested to know more of this forte may try this.
http://www.kia-cerato.com/

Cheers! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(quak58 @ Jun 12 2009, 08:36 PM)
If you never sell your car, you will never have to worry about residuals. But then again maintenance costs will ligner around. It is a balance between maintenance costs and risidual.
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that's why the car seen in malaysia are mostly malaysian made and toyota and honda, unlike here where people buy saab, volvo, mazda (mazda3 best seller in australia)
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Think most people will have that open market value in mind.. not selling is a matter of how long youll use it.. for 10years.. everycar is just about the same.. initial investment saving is better if we are talking about bread and butter (a to b) car here..

of course knowing your car worth better will just makes you feel better driving in it on the road? haa.
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QUOTE(Burgerlim @ Jun 21 2009, 01:16 PM)
Think most people will have that open market value in mind.. not selling is a matter of how long youll use it.. for 10years.. everycar is just about the same.. initial investment saving is better if we are talking about bread and butter (a to b) car here..

of course knowing your car worth better will just makes you feel better driving in it on the road? haa.
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it helps when that car finally needs to be sold, why waste unnecessary money?
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QUOTE(ryan man @ Jun 20 2009, 12:42 AM)
A Kia salesman told me that this car will be available in Malaysia around August...
It will be priced lower than the Vios TRD and City..

Will you'll pick Forte if the Kia Optima2.0 prices (which is commonly used as taxi) are lower than 80k?
Now, Kia's are having promotion..
The Kia Optima (not the Novus Spec) is just rm79k...

Will people choose Optima instead of Forte consider its engine capacity (2.0) and nicer interior?
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vios TRD is just some pure overpriced rubbish from toyota, and there are many cars cheaper than vios TRD spec.
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QUOTE(K o m p r 3 s s o r @ Jun 13 2009, 11:28 AM)
For those who are lazy to google, nah da pic:

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Can this car make change to Kia's resale value in Malaysia? We wait and see  smile.gif
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Yup, a nice looking car indeed with good specs. Not sure about resale value but one thing is quite certain, the sales figure will not look promising just like all previous Korean models unless the price is below rm70k. Sad.


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kia's resale value has a lot to do with naza's incredible discounts. look at the ria, only 63k now. those who bought it for 100k can't even sell their car
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QUOTE(ryan man @ Jun 20 2009, 12:42 AM)
A Kia salesman told me that this car will be available in Malaysia around August...
It will be priced lower than the Vios TRD and City..

Will you'll pick Forte if the Kia Optima2.0 prices (which is commonly used as taxi) are lower than 80k?
Now, Kia's are having promotion..
The Kia Optima (not the Novus Spec) is just rm79k...

Will people choose Optima instead of Forte consider its engine capacity (2.0) and nicer interior?

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Are you sure it's at 79k?
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kia's resale value has a lot to do with naza's incredible discounts. look at the ria, only 63k now. those who bought it for 100k can't even sell their car
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They are "spoiling" their own name is this country by practicing this ... sigh.

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:32 PM)
it helps when that car finally needs to be sold, why waste unnecessary money?
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yes... but then if you 1st buy cheap, of course.. you sell cheap too ya? its precisely why waste unnecessary money upfront? tongue.gif


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QUOTE(ryan man @ Jun 20 2009, 12:42 AM)
A Kia salesman told me that this car will be available in Malaysia around August...
It will be priced lower than the Vios TRD and City..

Will you'll pick Forte if the Kia Optima2.0 prices (which is commonly used as taxi) are lower than 80k?
Now, Kia's are having promotion..
The Kia Optima (not the Novus Spec) is just rm79k...

Will people choose Optima instead of Forte consider its engine capacity (2.0) and nicer interior?

user posted image
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Optima (AKA magnetis?) has gone thru facelift and new model based on Schreyer lines will be available soon..
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i think its a stock clearing exercise...
car prices has a lot to do with the specs bundled as well taxes, duty etc etc.. its not just price that determine the success of a car selling.
lets hope msia version of forte will have that balance.


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just a question, does the 1.6 forte have the same engine as spectra?

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its a re-tuned engine.. (not sure spectra) 124hp unit with very smooth curve.. checkout the website.. bodywise, its from avante.. hyundai with rear suspension changed to torsion beam...

hth.
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hi, all just to update, Forte secured a 4 stars front impact only! hiaz. but full 5 with side (high end version with curtain airbag) in Ancap rating..
only drawback says it causes serious injuries to driver leg.. hmm.gif

Ancap Forte
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what about euro ncap?

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QUOTE(Burgerlim @ Jun 26 2009, 01:34 AM)
hi, all just to update, Forte secured a 4 stars front impact only! hiaz. but full 5 with side (high end version with curtain airbag) in Ancap rating..
only drawback says it causes serious injuries to driver leg..  hmm.gif

Ancap Forte
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That might just deter some potential customers, especially when the Holden Cruze (newer car, similar class, similar price, better looking interior but weird exterior) grabs a 5-star rating.

It's a pity for the Forte as it truly looks to be able to break the Japanese dominance in the C-segment, but note that even the popular Honda Civic only scores a 4 and yet it doesn't seem to affect its sales. Let's see what the new Mazda 3 can do...


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I think its not soo related to us after all since in ANcap / EuroNcap they uses full specs car.. full airbag.. etc..
Forte weak point lies on its steering column and pedals.. its not about the structural elements of the car which is pretty good.. looking from the side impact test. i think forte steering wheel is oversized.. causing little leg room..
however this part is really fixable.. as stated.. a furhter improvement already shows better result however its not shown as its after test..
haa.. looking forward to more test result..
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just called the SA in klang. they said arriving in august. got 2 models CKD and CBU. prices are rm66k for the CKD and rm76k for the CBU. both are 1.6 models.
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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 2 2009, 02:43 PM)
just called the SA in klang. they said arriving in august. got 2 models CKD and CBU. prices are rm66k for the CKD and rm76k for the CBU. both are 1.6 models.
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QUOTE(fookeesan @ Jul 2 2009, 02:46 PM)
any news bout 2.0???
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not sure about the 2.0L. perhaps u can call any of the naza kia branches and share us some info.
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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 2 2009, 02:43 PM)
just called the SA in klang. they said arriving in august. got 2 models CKD and CBU. prices are rm66k for the CKD and rm76k for the CBU. both are 1.6 models.
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RM66k?! this is seriously cheap, how about the features and accessories? did they removed some to save the cost? hmm.gif
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I more interested for the CBU. 10K difference is quite acceptable for me.
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RM66k?! this is seriously cheap, how about the features and accessories? did they removed some to save the cost? hmm.gif
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as for the difference between the CKD and CBU not confirm yet but the SA assure me the extra 10k u pay is worth every cent.
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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 2 2009, 02:43 PM)
just called the SA in klang. they said arriving in august. got 2 models CKD and CBU. prices are rm66k for the CKD and rm76k for the CBU. both are 1.6 models.
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if the CKD offer the same specs as the CBU, then i will go for the RM66k drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
coz i heard Kia CKD model is actually disassemble the bonnets&doors, send it here then reassemble back. They can claim that as CKD model and sell cheaper, it still the same quality with CBU model.
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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 2 2009, 04:55 PM)
as for the difference between the CKD and CBU not confirm yet but the SA assure me the extra 10k u pay is worth every cent.
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if the CKD offer the same specs as the CBU, then i will go for the RM66k  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
coz i heard Kia CKD model is actually disassemble the bonnets&doors, send it here then reassemble back. They can claim that as CKD model and sell cheaper, it still the same quality with CBU model.
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66k seems affordable. nicely priced for a 1.6. hoping 80k for a 2.0

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the SA just replied me the 2.0L will be released next year. no one know what price yet.
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the SA just replied me the 2.0L will be released next year. no one know what price yet.
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thanks a lot man! just a good timing...haha

may i ask 2.0 is 2 door or 4 doors??

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seriously they did replied to u??!!

what about ceed n sportage?
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ceed? i thought the spectra5 is the ceed model already??
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QUOTE(fookeesan @ Jul 2 2009, 08:46 PM)
thanks a lot man! just a good timing...haha

may i ask 2.0 is 2 door or 4 doors??

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seriously they did replied to u??!!

what about ceed n sportage?
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other i din ask becoz i only interested in this forte.


Added on July 3, 2009, 10:05 ami have called to several naza kia dealers to ask them when this model will launch in malaysia and guess what they said this model has arrive in malaysia can be launched anytime. the delay is because they trying to clear the old spectra model as many as possible.

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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 3 2009, 09:27 AM)
no updates yet whether they will bring in 2 doors or 4


Added on July 3, 2009, 9:28 am

other i din ask becoz i only interested in this forte.


Added on July 3, 2009, 10:05 ami have called to several naza kia dealers to ask them when this model will launch in malaysia and guess what they said this model has arrive in malaysia can be launched anytime. the delay is because they trying to clear the old spectra model as many as possible.
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thanks a lot skybar!!

now will just wait for the launch of 1.6....i will go n check out...
but will definitely wait for 2.0...... cant wait!
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i just came back from naza kia found out that naza will not release the 2.0L becoz next year they will launch kia optima replacement. but this 1.6L they said most likely will be launched b4 merdeka.
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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 3 2009, 02:07 PM)
i just came back from naza kia found out that naza will not release the 2.0L becoz next year they will launch kia optima replacement. but this 1.6L they said most likely will be launched b4 merdeka.
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sigh............ now have to look for replacement..... sad.gif
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wah.. 66K is really a bargain...
just pray its not a strips down version aka EX? think maybe the CBU units refers to SX variant..
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all the prices are just estimation from the salesman. but he promise the CBU unit won't exceed rm80k.
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Saw 2 Forte today. both s'pore plate
really nice car but prefer the coupe one

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Coupe is 2 door 1, right ? practical meh ?
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2 doors version of forte is call KOUP... its out long ago..before forte
try google a bit.. awarded car design too...

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Added on July 4, 2009, 11:07 pmToyota (Vios) should worry about this.. but unless our perception about MIK (made in korea) change! that is.. haa..
funny that is in SG this car even threatening Altis.. range (almost the same price) but its not even close here.. haaa



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QUOTE(skybar @ Jul 4 2009, 10:54 PM)
i just came back from naza kia found out that naza will not release the 2.0L becoz next year they will launch kia optima replacement. but this 1.6L they said most likely will be launched b4 merdeka.
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does that mean naza will not be bringing this, at all? or much later in the future?

QUOTE(Burgerlim @ Jul 4 2009, 10:54 PM)
Toyota (Vios) should worry about this.. but unless our perception about MIK (made in korea) change! that is.. haa..
funny that is in SG this car even threatening Altis.. range (almost the same price) but its not even close here.. haaa
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says alot about malaysian sentiment and mentality

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not sure whether when will release the forte 2.0Lin m'sia. i am looking forward to the 1.6L launching see whether it can perform better than vios/city
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kia's resale value has a lot to do with naza's incredible discounts. look at the ria, only 63k now. those who bought it for 100k can't even sell their car
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can check with u where did u see the promo ah?
63k for a new Ria?

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QUOTE(Burgerlim @ Jul 4 2009, 10:54 PM)
2 doors version of forte is call KOUP... its out long ago..before forte
try google a bit.. awarded car design too...


Added on July 4, 2009, 11:07 pmToyota (Vios) should worry about this.. but unless our perception about MIK (made in korea) change! that is.. haa..
funny that is in SG this car even threatening Altis.. range (almost the same price) but its not even close here.. haaa
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The Koup is not officially available on the roads yet. And to be honest, apart from aesthetics I don't think the Koup has much improvement over the Forte. It's pretty much the same engine and has the same interior design, but I suppose it's another option for those who want something different from a family sedan.

Almost every review online or in car magazines for the Forte resulted in thumbs up. Yet it's worth mentioning that all of them pointed out the same disadvantages, i.e. 4 speed auto tranny / jerky 5 speed manual box, hard interior plastics, relatively dated dash and console design, light steering, and 4-star ANCAP. I'm not sure about the prices in other countries, but in Australia the fully-kitted SLi is the best package you can get for your money although some may argue that the new Mazda3 offers a better drive with just a slightly higher price (27-28K).

Speaking of which, the SLi is around 25-26KAUD and that is 2K cheaper than the 3, a whopping 4K cheaper than the 1.8L Civic / 2.0L Lancer; but the downside is the Forte's resale value is approximately 20% lower so it kinda balances out. The negative brand image of Korean marques is evident here in Australia as well as the general public still scoffs at Kias/Hyundais, regardless that the i30 was one of the best Aussie cars in 07 and now the Forte offers many unexpected surprises.

Hondas are horrendously overpriced here (hence the 3 reigns supreme) - the joke is that the 1.5L City is priced similarly to the 2.0L Forte!! It's quite clear which is the better choice over here. I will be needing a ride next year due to job requirements and the Forte is one of the options available for me, but I'll be keeping an eye over the Mazda3 although my eyes hurt every time I look at the design. The 1.8L Civic, at 29K, is not worth the money while the Lancer offers nothing much except good engine performance. A fully kitted auto 2.0L Civic hits an absurd 34K and with that amount of money I'll be better off with a 118TSi Golf MKIV that is more refined.

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sat into one (singapore car).. quite dissapointed with the interior.. not much improvement over the current kia cars.. build quality like local cars only.. only materials are slightly better. room feels like a small sedan only, although the boot is quite big..
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jul 7 2009, 07:27 AM)
The Koup is not officially available on the roads yet. And to be honest, apart from aesthetics I don't think the Koup has much improvement over the Forte. It's pretty much the same engine and has the same interior design, but I suppose it's another option for those who want something different from a family sedan.

Almost every review online or in car magazines for the Forte resulted in thumbs up. Yet it's worth mentioning that all of them pointed out the same disadvantages, i.e. 4 speed auto tranny / jerky 5 speed manual box, hard interior plastics, relatively dated dash and console design, light steering, and 4-star ANCAP. I'm not sure about the prices in other countries, but in Australia the fully-kitted SLi is the best package you can get for your money although some may argue that the new Mazda3 offers a better drive with just a slightly higher price (27-28K).

Speaking of which, the SLi is around 25-26KAUD and that is 2K cheaper than the 3, a whopping 4K cheaper than the 1.8L Civic / 2.0L Lancer; but the downside is the Forte's resale value is approximately 20% lower so it kinda balances out. The negative brand image of Korean marques is evident here in Australia as well as the general public still scoffs at Kias/Hyundais, regardless that the i30 was one of the best Aussie cars in 07 and now the Forte offers many unexpected surprises.

Hondas are horrendously overpriced here (hence the 3 reigns supreme) - the joke is that the 1.5L City is priced similarly to the 2.0L Forte!! It's quite clear which is the better choice over here. I will be needing a ride next year due to job requirements and the Forte is one of the options available for me, but I'll be keeping an eye over the Mazda3 although my eyes hurt every time I look at the design. The 1.8L Civic, at 29K, is not worth the money while the Lancer offers nothing much except good engine performance. A fully kitted auto 2.0L Civic hits an absurd 34K and with that amount of money I'll be better off with a 118TSi Golf MKIV that is more refined.
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until now, i still dont know how to see the quality of interior, they looks all the same to me, as long as it doesn't giving out noise when get older then is ok.

if i'm not wrong, the mazda 3 is around RM100k, whereby the forte is just around RM66k-70k? hmm.gif

i still dont think that the sales of toyota vios or honda city is going to be affected due to their reputation in malaysia (malaysian mindset lar, not reputation tongue.gif )
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QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 7 2009, 08:59 AM)
until now, i still dont know how to see the quality of interior, they looks all the same to me, as long as it doesn't giving out noise when get older then is ok.

if i'm not wrong, the mazda 3 is around RM100k, whereby the forte is just around RM66k-70k? hmm.gif

i still dont think that the sales of toyota vios or honda city is going to be affected due to their reputation in malaysia (malaysian mindset lar, not reputation tongue.gif )
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I share your sentiments as well, it's really hard to understand what the reviewers meant by "hard interior plastics". Plastics are supposed to hard tongue.gif

It's crazy to expect a high level interior trim with soft leather wrappings everywhere at this segment, you get what you pay for. At the moment it's quite hard to know whether the Forte's interior will suffer from loose clanky parts but only time will tell. The dated design is a common complaint but for me it's still acceptable. The City/Jazz's interior is pretty similar, i.e. looks plain too, but I don't expect every car to have a spaceship cockpit like the Civic or the new Fiesta. Funky designs don't always work, just look at the crazy radio controls of the Gen2.

There's a long term test review here and here, so it'll be interesting to see how the Forte fares in the long run. But the caveat is that it's not a very technical review, but rather an opinion about living with the car.

If the Forte comes in at 66K it is likely to be an underpowered 1.6L. A C-segment with 1.6L is quite appalling if you ask me as the other rivals all have at least 1.8L. The brand perception is absolutely evident in M'sia. Anything slapped with a Honda badge will instantly get much love, but most people will agree that the Malaysian assembled Hondas are appalling in quality. Not forgetting overpriced too, but people don't seem to mind paying near RM100K for a 1.5L Jazz. Bloody hell, it's only 22-23K AUD !! I love the Jazz (great 7 speed semi-auto) but for RM 100K there are much better options around...

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I believe KIA Forte is a good car.

Problem are:

1. KIA/Naza always kills its customer by slashing new car price after launching 1 to 2 years. Buyers who bought Spectra Novus 3 years ago at a price of RM73K can only sell aron RM35K due to the fact KIA is offering new Spectra 5 at only RM55K. Do u think ppl will buy the 3 years old Novus at aron RM55K???? Sellin RM55K is also consider a big loss, 24% compare to 2nd hand value of Toyota and Honda. So, to stop this and to help to maintain the 2nd hand, KIA has to take the lead.

2. Why KIA/Naza have to slash new car price after launching 1 or 2 years? Y so much stock to clear? If KIA/Naza has its own assembly & production line then they could control the volume of car to produce. I suspect KIA/Naza has to bring in a certain volume which is based on a quota and somehow to make it as if CKD, they must keep it here for a period or make some simple assembly. So when the demand is less than expected and KIA/Naza has to sell all balance volume to recover the cost he car, this is what u c see "Special discount price for new KIA/Naza car" but in actual fact that car was manufactured 1 to 2 years ago. That is why some new car has engine or gear box problem bcoz they have been kept idle for quite a long time.

No matter how good is KIA/Naza car, if there is no improvement and stopage to this "Special discount prices", Malaysian will never have confident to buy any of its car. Not all M'sia mindset is dead. I will support any good car regardless of its brand if they do the business correctly and safeguard the interest of its car buyers.

So, good luck to KIA Forte. Hope to see Forte a sucess in M'sia.


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QUOTE(leongwk15 @ Jul 8 2009, 09:30 PM)
I believe KIA Forte is a good car.

Problem are:

1. KIA/Naza always kills its customer by slashing new car price after launching 1 to 2 years. Buyers who bought Spectra Novus 3 years ago at a price of RM73K can only sell aron RM35K due to the fact KIA is offering new Spectra 5 at only RM55K. Do u think ppl will buy the 3 years old Novus at aron RM55K???? Sellin RM55K is also consider a big loss, 24% compare to 2nd hand value of Toyota and Honda. So, to stop this and to help to maintain the 2nd hand, KIA has to take the lead.

2. Why KIA/Naza have to slash new car price after launching 1 or 2 years? Y so much stock to clear? If KIA/Naza has its own assembly & production line then they could control the volume of car to produce. I suspect KIA/Naza has to bring in a certain volume which is based on a quota and somehow to make it as if CKD, they must keep it here for a period or make some simple assembly. So when the demand is less than expected and KIA/Naza has to sell all balance volume to recover the cost he car,  this is what u c see "Special discount price for new KIA/Naza car" but in actual fact that car was manufactured 1 to 2 years ago. That is why some new car has engine or gear box problem bcoz they have been kept idle for quite a long time.

No matter how good is KIA/Naza car, if there is no improvement and stopage to this "Special discount prices", Malaysian will never have confident to buy any of its car. Not all M'sia mindset is dead. I will support any good car regardless of its brand if they do the business correctly and safeguard the interest of its car buyers.

So, good luck to KIA Forte. Hope to see Forte a sucess in M'sia.
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Not sure why Naza-Kia did that to previous old models, maybe they really have too many leftover stock that needs to be cleared. Price it too high, and people will scoff at the Korean image and choose a Japanese model instead. Price it too low, people will still look at it as a cheap, bargain car and relate it as undesirable. It's a catch-22 I suppose.

Resale value is a funny thing. The 3 year depreciation for Korean makes is indeed much lower than the Japanese (usually around 15-20% less in Australia), but honestly not many people change their ride every 3 years. Speaking of which, if one bought a Forte at 25K here in Australia and after 3 years it's only worth half (3 year value of 50%), one loses 12500. Similarly if you get a top range Japanese make at 29K and after 3 years you lose 10150 (3 year value of 65%). You lose approx 2400 less, although you already pocketed 4000 extra originally.

So at the end of the day, it'll be easier to choose the best package available for your budget. If you only have 25K to spare, the top range SLi Forte will be the best choice as it comes with everything the Japs can offer, well, with the exception of the 4 speed auto tranny.

If the demand for the Forte goes up, maybe the resale value will eventually increase to a level nearer to the Japs and hence makes it a better choice in the long run. Otherwise, resale value doesn't really make that much of a difference. Servicing and parts costs will probably be the issue here as the Koreans were notorious in this aspect in the past. Then again, it's not like the Japs are immune from this problem. We all know how "well" the CKD Hondas fare in our M'sian market.

Caught another glimpse of the Forte again today... Peter Schryer and his team really did a good job there - the Forte looks distinctively European and upmarket. Not radical like the 3 French companies, not funky like Ford/Mazda, it's more subtle like the Germans. And it definitely looks nothing like its predecessors.

Anyway, this probably doesn't concern the M'sian market that much, but if the Australians really price the Koup at a similar price to the sedan it would be an interesting one. Nevertheless, sedans are still the main demand in the SEA region so I won't be surprised if it isn't brought in back home. What attracts me more is this:
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009/small...below-26k-15607

Kia, 6 speed auto for the sedan please? To blow those Japs away... biggrin.gif

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Personally i think forte interior is much.. much better than vios../altis alike.. (yes.. agreed its full hard plastic!) but i do not think its dated... but design is subjective.. for some of the down side in review..
1. light steering... due to motor driven.. not too worry.. there is hydraulic version too.. for low end model.. so its a choice..
2. jerky drive train.. not too sure too.. but.. its engine is smooth.. very smooth.. only complains its a 4 gears ver.
3. drive, here.. i must say its sound insulation still has room for improvements but that again depends on the kind of insulation they provided, for rpm > 4K.. its intrusive.. but i kind like the engine sounds... but its again much better then vios.. (very less busy)....
4. contradicts to some.. Vios actually has slightly bigger boot space.. hmm... (in litres term) see how perceptions could tell a very different story.. no offence

Overall..lets let the ride tell the story, only worry now is NAZA as the distributor..hee.. to me ESP really works.. and FC is great too >13km/L (light footer) is achievable..

certainly in design term.. i like mz3 and civic better.. but mz3 here is sg is selling > 20K over.. 50K vs 69K (base model) civic is over 80K!

so depending on country AD marketing.. lets hope for the best..



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At the end of the day, reviews can only help so much and it's still up to a test drive for first-hand experience to really know the potential of the car.

It's a bit unfair to compare the Forte to the Vios as they are both from different segments despite the Forte's cheaper pricing. But if Naza/Kia really prices it below the 80K mark it might just give the 90+K City/Vios a run for its money. Too bad it's likely to start with a underwhelming 1.6L instead of the 2.0L.

Going back to the interior, it's dated when compared to other rivals but not necessarily so when viewed on its own. Having said that, I personally think it's funkier brother the Soul has a nicer dash and console. The boxy shape and radical curves allow the Soul to have a crazier design.

Speaking of which, maybe I'll look out for the Koup as well, especially if it's price range is similar to the sedan. I don't really need two more doors to carry kids tongue.gif Oh well, half a year more before the decision is made.... fingers crossed.

And there is some glimpses of future Kia models with the new H-shaped grill. There's the Sorento, a D-segment car (Probably Magentis/Optima) and a super mini, likely to be a Picanto.

Sigh... if the Koreans can take drastic steps to reinvent their brand, why can't Proton/Perodua do so?
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yes.. agrees.. looking forward.. to the test drive... soon..! hopefully..


Added on July 15, 2009, 1:23 pmhi, All


http://www.kia-world.net/index.php/2009/06...lt-forte-sedan/

look at this!

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no more news on forte?
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i am also anxious to know when is the launching date.
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Call Kia dealer, they said end of the year only launch.
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Kia confirmed that Forte will be on sale late this year because they still have plenty of Spectra 5 stocks which they still can't sell off.

These Spectra 5 are some with manufacturing year 2007. Unless they drop the price down below RM46k maybe they will be able to sell more. Considering its already 2 years old car, it should sell at a cheaper price.

So, Malaysian please wait. This is what they say "Poor management". Kia is killing itself.
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QUOTE(leongwk15 @ Jul 24 2009, 08:20 AM)
Kia confirmed that Forte will be on sale late this year because they still have plenty of Spectra 5 stocks which they still can't sell off.

These Spectra 5 are some with manufacturing year 2007. Unless they drop the price down below RM46k maybe they will be able to sell more. Considering its already 2 years old car, it should sell at a cheaper price.

So, Malaysian please wait. This is what they say "Poor management". Kia is killing itself.
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Probably due to Naza's problem rather than Kia's. tongue.gif

The brand snobbery attitude by the local market doesn't help sales (along with poor reputation of older generation Korean makes), and the dealers have no choice but to drop the price to clear stock. Which in turn delays people in decision making when purchasing a particular Korean car. Hyundai has improved their image with the new i series but at Honda/Toyota prices it's probably going to be a deterrence as well.

It's sad to know that the Forte isn't going to come earlier especially when our southern neighbours are already having fun with theirs.
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end of this year???..the design basi already!..naza is killing kia brand in m'sia vmad.gif
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That is poor brand management by Naza Kia. In that case i really have doubts getting the forte from Naza Kia. What a waste.
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I totally agree with you guys.

I believe Forte is a good chance to bring Kia & Naza back in the market but with current disappointment, they are going down.

Naza Kia has already brought in Kia Forte, all kept in yard. Delay of launching will make the Forte not really a new car when its launch year end.

Looks like every car brand is delaying any new launch because there is plenty of existing model in stock. They are in the same trade and working together for their own benefit. Buyers is the one suffering.

Better looks for others option.
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QUOTE(leongwk15 @ Jul 24 2009, 12:35 PM)
I totally agree with you guys.

I believe Forte is a good chance to bring Kia & Naza back in the market but with current disappointment, they are going down.

Naza Kia has already brought in Kia Forte, all kept in yard. Delay of launching will make the Forte not really a new car when its launch year end.

Looks like every car brand is delaying any new launch because there is plenty of existing model in stock. They are in the same trade and working together f