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wodenus
post May 14 2009, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(cheapmacchiato @ May 14 2009, 01:58 PM)
Thanks for the reply guys....

Any advice for current ILP holders?

Should  I surrender my ILP, since I am afraid the premiums will be too much for me too bear in the future, and start looking for buy Term or  whole insurance etc..
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Start already don't surrender la... waste money only.
wodenus
post Jun 8 2009, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ May 12 2009, 07:00 PM)
My favorite saying is INVESTMENT means that you can go to sleep and do nothing for 5 years and you will be fine. So, by definition, your investment needs to be able to survive a stock market crashes.


So by this definition, savings are investments?

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post Jun 10 2009, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 9 2009, 04:19 AM)
wodenus,

No.  Savings are emergency fund.  Which by definition, you need to touch and use when emergency.  Hence, you MAY do something about savings in 5 years.

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I see. So Fixed Deposits are investments then?

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post Jun 10 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 10 2009, 08:57 AM)
wodenus,

FD is not investment.  An investment needs to keep up with the inflation.  FD is used as saving instrument.

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But you can go to sleep and do nothing for five years and you will be fine. And it will survive stock market crashes.
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post Jun 10 2009, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(c.o.o.l @ Jun 10 2009, 03:56 PM)
But if inflation happens badly in the 5 years, your 100k may drops its value to like 80k.
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I don't know.. it wasn't my definition smile.gif

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post Jun 10 2009, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 10 2009, 05:15 PM)
You do not listen very well.


I'm trying to, you have to help me understand this.

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 10 2009, 05:15 PM)
In 5 years, the FD value will be reduced by inflation.  So, whether the stock market crashes or not, the FD REAL value will go down every year.


I see. I currently have FDs at 5% p.a. What's the annual inflation rate?


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post Jun 11 2009, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 10 2009, 09:55 PM)
So, do you BELIEVE the actual inflation rate is 5% or less??


I don't know, which is why I'm asking you smile.gif

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 10 2009, 09:55 PM)
B) Now, if you keep track of your expenses every month like I do for the past 10+ years, do your expenses only increase 5% or less compare to last year?? That is your own inflation rate.


Don't keep track of expenses much. Are you saying that if my personal inflation rate is less than 5%, then my FD becomes an investment?


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QUOTE(lwb @ Jun 10 2009, 10:10 PM)
fd at 5%?! wow... even money market rate is below that.
it's not a plain vanilla fd we're talking here, right?
(i'm highly suspicious here.. hehe)
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It is... it's a plain vanilla FD rate, 5 years at 5%. Two years ago it peaked at 5%, just before the world economy tanked smile.gif

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post Jun 11 2009, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 11 2009, 08:12 AM)
wodenus,

<< Don't keep track of expenses much. Are you saying that if my personal inflation rate is less than 5%, then my FD becomes an investment?>>

1) That furfills one of the two conditions.

2) The second conditions is you do not intend to use it for the next 5 years.  The second condition does not work if this FD is used as your emergency fund.

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So if I don't intend to use it for the next 5 years, then it becomes an investment?
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post Jun 13 2009, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 12 2009, 02:28 PM)
wodenus,

Yes.

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Cool you're the first person I know who's ever considered FDs an investment. Thanks, I learned a lot smile.gif


 

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