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post Apr 29 2009, 03:28 PM, updated 17y ago

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http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,...,200264,00.html?

ELECTRIC NEWS
Excuse me, xiao jie
Are you calling me a prostitute?
Woman splashes water at salesman for using 'uncouth' term
April 28, 2009 Print Ready Email Article

IN Singapore, it is not uncommon to hear someone address a female stranger as 'xiao jie' (miss in Mandarin).
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UPSET: Miss Wang (above) claims the salesman called her 'xiao jie' at least five times in a mocking tone. PICTURE: SHIN MIN DAILY NEWS

That was how one salesman addressed a woman who walked by his shop.

But that was also what got him into hot water with the woman, a Chinese national.

Why?

In China, the term 'xiao jie' is often used to mean 'prostitute'. It is seen as disrespectful to address a woman as 'xiao jie' there. (See report below.)

The incident took place last Tuesday at a handphone shop in People's Park Complex.

Around 4.30pm that day, a 26-year-old Chinese national who gave her name only as Miss Wang was walking past the shop with her friend, Miss Zhou, also 26.

One of the salesmen in the shop, who wanted to be known only as Ah Siang, told The New Paper that he called out 'da jie' (older sister in Mandarin) to the two women.

'I wanted to get their attention so they could take a look at the handphones in the shop,' the 19-year-old Malaysian said.

'One of the women then nudged the other and told her I had just called her 'da jie'. She also asked her friend if she looked very old.'

Thinking that he may have been rude to call the women 'da jie', Ah Siang then addressed them as 'xiao jie'.

But that did not sit well with Miss Wang, who took offence at being called 'xiao jie'.

In a phone interview with The New Paper, Miss Wang, who works as a designer in Singapore, claimed the salesman had called her 'xiao jie' at least five times in a mocking tone.

'He even asked me what that term meant. When I didn't respond, he shouted even louder at me,' she said.

'I didn't want to react initially. We are graduates and such name-calling is uncouth. He should have respected us.'

When Ah Siang and his colleague tried to reason with Miss Wang, she became more upset and splashed the water in a bottle she was holding at the colleague.

Miss Wang, who is from Liaoning in north-east China, admitted she did this.

Ah Siang claimed that Miss Wang also hit his colleague with the mineral water bottle, but the woman denied doing that.

Miss Wang claimed Ah Siang's colleague then spewed vulgarities at her.

Scuffle

A heated argument and a scuffle followed.

Miss Wang claimed one of the salesmen in the shop threw a stapler at them. It hit Miss Zhou in the abdomen. There were four or five employees in the shop at that time.

But Mr Anthony Lau, the shop's manager who was also there at that time, said that the stapler had accidentally hit Miss Zhou during the scuffle.

Miss Zhou sustained a bruise on her abdomen as a result.

The commotion drew a huge crowd of onlookers outside the shop.

After a while, Ah Siang said he and his colleagues stopped arguing with the women.

'We even told them to call the police if they wanted,' he added.

And the women did.

A police spokesman confirmed that the police received a report about the dispute at People's Park Complex at 4.30pm that day.

Miss Zhou, who was slightly injured, was advised on what she could do if she wished to pursue the matter, the spokesman added.

Ah Siang said he had no intention of causing any trouble by calling Miss Wang 'xiao jie'.

'Why would I want to find trouble with her? I just started work two days (before the incident),' he said.

Mr Lau added: 'I've had this shop for seven years. This is the first time something like this has happened.'

'The term 'xiao jie' is just a courteous way of addressing our female customers.'

He and Ah Siang claimed that they did not know that the term could be seen as derogatory to women in China.

But Miss Wang, who has lived in Singapore for three years, said: 'I'm sure many people in Singapore know what 'xiao jie' means in China.'

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post Apr 29 2009, 03:29 PM

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suld juz call her , ah po.
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Just call lenglui or ah moi
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:30 PM

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my god, i duno what to call then
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ppl is aunty he go call her xiao jie ofcourse la ppl offended.
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:31 PM

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i thought 'xiao jie' = take a piss
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xiao jie = prostitute

if u have friends frm china u would know this immediately. dun live in tempurung guys!
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:33 PM

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xiao jie is young lady ma.... what offensive swt
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Squidward @ Apr 29 2009, 03:33 PM)
xiao jie = prostitute

if u have friends frm china u would know this immediately. dun live in tempurung guys!
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Squidward @ Apr 29 2009, 03:33 PM)
xiao jie = prostitute

if u have friends frm china u would know this immediately. dun live in tempurung guys!
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damn, in fact, i've been livin in tempurung all these years
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:35 PM

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post Apr 29 2009, 03:35 PM

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so.. how ppl in china address female customer if dunno their name? doh.gif
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oredi live in singapore for 3 year oso didnt know 'xiao jie' is just a courteous way of addressing female customers? stupid ppl always stay stupid no matter where they go.
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:36 PM

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xiao jie = prostitute, when used as a standalone.

use "zhe wei nv shi" like a gentleman does.


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QUOTE(jong52yuara @ Apr 29 2009, 03:35 PM)
so.. how ppl in china address female customer if dunno their name?  doh.gif
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read my previous post
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:38 PM

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Just 'hey hey you' them. At least less rude, lol.
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QUOTE(Avex @ Apr 29 2009, 03:32 PM)
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QUOTE(Avex @ Apr 29 2009, 03:37 PM)
read my previous post
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but but but... that sound like 40's here in malaysia
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post Apr 29 2009, 03:40 PM

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But how to know whether she is China Chinese or Malaysian Chinese or Singapore Chinese wor...i think the woman over sensitive...or mayBe last time she really 'xie jie'...but retired liao...LOL.
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QUOTE(Squidward @ Apr 29 2009, 03:33 PM)
xiao jie = prostitute

if u have friends frm china u would know this immediately. dun live in tempurung guys!
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Oh and you know everything there is to know is it?

But anyway, that was in Singapore. It isn't offensive there. When in Rome do what the Romans do.
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QUOTE(Scopio @ Apr 29 2009, 03:40 PM)
call " yo yo"
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QUOTE(ahjames @ Apr 29 2009, 03:36 PM)
xiao jie = prostitute, when used as a standalone.

use "zhe wei nv shi" like a gentleman does.
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so cannot call miss also la... cause xiao jie is young miss ?

so if call miss also ma hong kan ?

crazy china girls..
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Apr 29 2009, 03:41 PM)
yo sup dawg!
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last time i call a gal in one of my class xiaojie she damn pissed ask me don;t call her xiaojie. sad.gif
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Call... "My lady..."
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 29 2009, 03:44 PM)
last time i call a gal in one of my class xiaojie she damn pissed ask me don;t call her xiaojie.  sad.gif
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then what you call her ? by her name ? so miss is a reference to pros ? i better stop calling the girls in my HR/Finance dept miss ahahhahaha
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QUOTE(kornelius @ Apr 29 2009, 03:45 PM)
Call... "My lady..."
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then later she bising she's not your lady.. or /b/ cause your said "MY lady"
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Aiya, just call mei nv.
Works on young and old ladies.

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Apr 29 2009, 03:46 PM)
then what you call her ? by her name ? so miss is a reference to pros ? i better stop calling the girls in my HR/Finance dept miss ahahhahaha
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LOL i was trying to know her name. was buayaing her actually. then wanna start conversation call her xiaojie then she pissed off say dun call me xiaojie liddat i ignore her adi.
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QUOTE(hako @ Apr 29 2009, 03:29 PM)
suld juz call her , ah po.
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Still too offensive.

Butt Poh sounds just right.
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Apr 29 2009, 03:41 PM)
so cannot call miss also la... cause xiao jie is young miss ?

so if call miss also ma hong kan ?

crazy china girls..
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for malaysia we just call "miss".

after translate its difference context.

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Emo gurls.

It's just a name. Does the cuckoo bird gets pissed off when we called it "kuku" bird? Never.


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QUOTE(Ah WanG @ Apr 29 2009, 03:47 PM)

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At my shop, we call everybody leng chai and leng lui, unless a 60 + year old man or woman la, that one I call unker/aunty.

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Whores get perasan la.

Mss Wang is a whore from CHina, working as a whore in singapore, graduated with a Bachelor in Holistic Whoreism
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 29 2009, 04:00 PM)
Whores get perasan la.

Mss Wang is a whore from CHina, working as a whore in singapore, graduated with a Bachelor in Holistic Whoreism
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got anything to do with Ah Wang? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(uzer85 @ Apr 29 2009, 04:01 PM)
got anything to do with Ah Wang? hmm.gif
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Ah Wang's relative? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 29 2009, 04:02 PM)
Ah Wang's relative?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 29 2009, 04:02 PM)
Ah Wang's relative?  hmm.gif
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question.

QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 29 2009, 04:03 PM)
No should be Ah Wang's chicken whores. Ah Wang is chicken pimps
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answer.

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QUOTE(aaronlim18 @ Apr 29 2009, 04:07 PM)
leng lui, yau tai mou mai mm goi jau hoi......roxor

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QUOTE(uzer85 @ Apr 29 2009, 04:01 PM)
got anything to do with Ah Wang? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 29 2009, 04:02 PM)
Ah Wang's relative?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 29 2009, 04:03 PM)
No should be Ah Wang's chicken whores. Ah Wang is chicken pimps
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QUOTE(uzer85 @ Apr 29 2009, 04:05 PM)
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 29 2009, 04:12 PM)
^ lol

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Ah Wang dont have banhammer. laugh.gif GOD-fries got one n really like to use it. sad.gif
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no la, xiao jie is miss, ku niang is prostitute le
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But Miss Wang, who has lived in Singapore for three years, said: 'I'm sure many people in Singapore know what 'xiao jie' means in China.'


What? Come from China and expect people in other country to know what connotations some words mean IN YOUR COUNTRY? Stupid woman.

Obviously she hasn't heard of the saying, "when in Rome, do as Romans do."

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Ah Wang dont have banhammer. laugh.gif  GOD-fries got one n really like to use it. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Ah WanG @ Apr 29 2009, 04:16 PM)
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here in Malaysia all call the customers 'boss' one, lol.
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Ah Wang dont have banhammer. laugh.gif  GOD-fries got one n really like to use it. sad.gif
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QUOTE(~LynX~ @ Apr 29 2009, 04:15 PM)
What? Come from China and expect people in other country to know what connotations some words mean IN YOUR COUNTRY? Stupid woman.

Obviously she hasn't heard of the saying, "when in Rome, do as Romans do."
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i loled at this thread. I like where this is going. MOAR MOAR!!
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QUOTE(uzer85 @ Apr 29 2009, 04:31 PM)
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afterward kentang emas come with his banhammar coz u bully wang wang
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Xiao Jie in China = Whore. Proper way to call them is Gu Niang. Which is different with Malaysial. Try search whats Fuyoh means too.
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Don't diss Singapore lah. One of the parties is from China and the other is from Malaysia.
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the problem lies on the lady in my opinion. 1st she is in Singapore la... how she expect ppl to know the culture in China. 2nd that's over reactive, even someone call you a prostitute, how can u just splash water at ppl while that guy is just a sales assistance.... orang China memang kurang ajar.....btw, i am a malaysian chinese tongue.gif
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afterward kentang emas come with his banhammar coz u bully wang wang
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nvr thought Ah Wang will bring reinforcement. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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in china, ai ren = husband/wife, and xiao jie = prostitute.

how who's gonna know that in malaysia? doh.gif

lol everday i talk to customer 'xiao jie yao zao she me ma?'.

my god i think imma gonna get plenty biatchslap soon~! o___o
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post Apr 29 2009, 05:55 PM

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next time gotta use "gu niang" laugh.gif

btw, the original meaning of xiao jie is not prostitute
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i actually don't like people call me xiao jie too.. sounds weird hor?
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QUOTE(mizuchan @ Apr 29 2009, 05:56 PM)
i actually don't like people call me xiao jie too.. sounds weird hor?
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QUOTE(mizuchan @ Apr 29 2009, 05:56 PM)
i actually don't like people call me xiao jie too.. sounds weird hor?
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then call u wad? faggot? miss?
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because those people they always 'xiao jie xiao jie' very farn lol .. everyone calls me that until i am fedup of it.. sometime they hav bad motive too
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We can call you tarp. You ok with that?
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in china xiao jie is an occupation which means prostitution. when u go to a bar or a night club. and u ask the waiter o waitress "you mei you xiao jie?"

when i was in china i was in this restaurant. in m'sia we use to call ppl xiao jie and they dont get offended. so i was so used to calling that and i called the waitress xiao jie. she ignored me totally. then i realized. i called xiao mei. then she replied me.

xiao jie is very offensive for them. its the same like u calling a black american a nigger.
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QUOTE(vkeong @ Apr 29 2009, 03:31 PM)
i thought 'xiao jie' = take a piss
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xiao jie cannot , da jie cannot , biatch cannot , "leng lui" think we are cheap steak, word "madam or lady" makes them think we assume they old... wat the heck ... singapore materialism, purposely make so big just want to make big money.

what must we call them , or using scientific name female?
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a xiao jie...
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QUOTE(jayxunned @ Apr 29 2009, 11:01 PM)
xiao jie cannot , da jie cannot , biatch cannot , "leng lui" think we are cheap steak, word "madam or lady" makes them think we assume they old... wat the heck ... singapore materialism, purposely make so big just want to make big money. 

what must we call them , or using scientific name female?
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To be safe call them auntie / bat poh
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Apr 29 2009, 11:29 PM)
To be safe call them auntie / bat poh
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QUOTE(jong52yuara @ Apr 29 2009, 03:35 PM)
so.. how ppl in china address female customer if dunno their name?  doh.gif
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 29 2009, 11:04 PM)
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