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 Modification for Siemen ECU, Any idea?

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ryan_hustler
post Apr 26 2009, 10:48 PM

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IMHO svdo can support piggyback since it only works in closed loop +- 3500rpm..
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post May 6 2009, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Apr 27 2009, 12:00 AM)
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 27 2009, 03:33 AM)
yes modding svdo is worth the performance given... in fact svdo is a self-learning ecu, newer generation than the much preferred mmc... but many local workshop dont know how to tune svdo ecu based on old skool style... datz why it is deemed useless and hard to tune....

in fact more n more modern cars use such kinda ecu... what makes svdo abit of failure is the programming part... modern age tuning is more towards software tuning...
means it works if rpm is below 3500??... unsure.gif
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Piggyback will be able to work in open loop

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 29 2009, 06:40 AM)
means piggyback ecu only works with svdo if ecu is in open-loop??..
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Yup..closed loop means intake air is metered,fuel is calculated to satisfy ratio,combustion then checked (O2 sensor) to determine the incomplete combustion then fed back to ecu to regulate the fuel ratio again.Closed loop works to produce best economy and tries to obtain a complete combustion.Problem is its hard to keep the feedback loop constantly updating at higher rpms so it reverts to open loop around +-3500 rpm..when in open loop,the O2 sensors feedback is not taken into consideration.In this range it is possible for piggyback to work since it wouldnt revert back to the O2 sensors feedback.

Just my 2cents

This is a closed loop operation:

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Lets assume
X(s) is the MAP/MAF sensor
G(s) is the ECU
H(s) is the O2 sensor
Y(s) is the output (or amount of fuel injected into combustion chamber to satisfy AFR)

When in open loop, H(s) is not in effect,so theres no feebback loop (from this diagram,negative feedback) so you can tap the piggyback between X(s) and G(s) and set it to work only during open loop operation


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This post has been edited by ryan_hustler: May 6 2009, 08:42 PM
ryan_hustler
post May 7 2009, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 29 2009, 05:37 AM)
From what i understand la the ecu whatever setting that is inputted into it, during the course of few days it will revert back to factory settings so that explains why the taxi driver have to go retuned everyweek, he say setting always lari when using NGV.
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As far as i know,the only way of reverting to factory setting is to disconnect the car battery...unless theres a limp mode im not aware of..

btw,you cant re-tune the factory ecu..
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post May 8 2009, 07:33 PM

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Drex,you sure the stock microP can be reflashed? Usually for mass manufacturing,the microP will be the type which can only be programmed once to save cost..like a dvd-r and dvd-rw..
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post Jul 3 2009, 05:12 AM

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y kenot?
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post Jul 6 2009, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 3 2009, 10:31 AM)
open loop can... close loop cannot... no meh??...
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yup can function above 3krpm without any problems..means can la

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 4 2009, 07:06 AM)
oh icic...

eh, mmc got open loop and close loop or not ah??..
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depends if got 02 sensor..i think the mmc 1.6 above is closed loop,1.3 and 1.5 is open loop..means no feedback sensor
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post Jul 7 2009, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 6 2009, 05:03 AM)
means if got o2 sensor means for open and close loop??.... without o2 sensor means only open loop??...

i remember the earlier wira 1.6 batch has no o2 sensor...
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02 sensor is what makes a system closed loop as there is feedback and correction..refer to my block diagram. The open loop part comes at a higher rpm as its not possible to correct the afr.(maybe some hi-tech stand alone can do so,im not too sure)
i think 1.6 got,but this im not too sure as well..but with 02 sensor is definitely closed loop
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post Jul 7 2009, 10:35 AM

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what ecu and wiring harness are you using? mmc 1.3,1.5 designed to run in open loop only what

 

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