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This is the proposal i'm giving RBR. The subforum price and dealer's guide is defunct and i'm proposing it to be scrapped.

What i need is any more suggestions on the OS Subforums if i missed out any to propose to RBR


SUMMARY OF EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE:

1) Notesbooks and PDA were in one forum

2) PDA was given is own forum because the community grew and had its own windows mobile support

3) Issue on whether nowadays Nokia Symbians were smartphones belong in PDA forum or not, due to technology convergence. In the end it was decided no, for now PDAs would be windows mobile, and SYMBIANS would stay in handphones and comm until a restructure

4) restructure takes place, and PDA threads were dumped back into the Handphones section. But then it does not solve but insteads worsens issue 1,2, and 3.

5) new restructure again, to classify based on OS, to address issue 3

This post has been edited by Baronic: Apr 26 2009, 10:12 AM

in my opinion..
looks regulated nicely lolx..

i am happy with what we have now. although we new section for OS, it is still pretty inactive and quiet, imagine having all the diff Os subs, UIQ etc, but with only 2/3 threads in it, emptiness.

thats cuz people just dun know its there, and its totally branched out of the device specific. different branches, people just dun know where the parent directory is. even if its not enuf threads, the threads will come once its more organised. plus the new layout would make more sense.

while some threads dun have anything, but for symbian and windows mobile especially we need a parent directory

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Added on April 25, 2009, 2:51 pmif u see symbian has a lot of potential to grow as there are several generic questions. also currently lots of windows mobile stuff is in the tier one, our main forum section. which is wrong. lol.



This post has been edited by Baronic: Apr 25 2009, 02:51 PM

Which means Phone-Specific Discussion will be shifted to Device Specific?

I am clueless on this part...

phone specific will be broken down, and distributed according to its OS

I think this will be kinda complicated right?
Why not phone-specific has its own section and pda-specific has its own section?
Then, there are general discussions about the OS?

then the device specifc community would be broken in half. Device specific threads in one side of town, and general threads that is related will be on the other side of town, as it is right now. plus, if there is no order then the symbian and java community cannot grow. like right now, OS subforum is quiet simply because its just out of the way to go there. its not even on the same path. it should not be segregated at that way.

and its complicated at all. see the pictures i sketched at how the forum will look right. it will on the whole bring new life and give space and order for each community, symbian, windows mobile, etc to grow

thread reopened to see what the regular think too. looks so complicated now, compare to the old simple one.

i agree with youngkies..
seems to be more complicated...

e.g - people who want to go to n85 thread ..

Lowyat.NET -> Special Interest -> Mobile Phones and PDAs -> Symbian -> Symbian Phone-Specific Discussion -> N85 thread

b4 this...

Lowyat.NET -> Special Interest -> Mobile Phones and PDAs -> Phone-Specific Discussion -> N85 thread

the older one.. is more simple

anyway... will try acquainted with new theme ..maybe new theme is better..maybe about 1 month.. will getting usual...

well the reason it was merged in the first place was to cater for the merging of technologies. IMO we cannot categorise based on brand any more, since like SE have branched out from their standard java to SYmbian UIQ and even WIndows Mobile.

If u have a symbian UIQ device and u need help, the best way to promote a discussion would be to have it among other SYMBIAN UIQ members. Because despite how passionate one is about SE goods, it would be hard to advice across platforms.

This way, all the WINDOWS MOBILE, SYMBIAN, etc are together, and hence will be able to help each other .

Even if u own a nokia A which is symbian, u can still hop into the next symbian thread Nokia B and help out with any query, since they're both symbians.

I agree with youngkies. If you take a look there are just little folks that are on UIQ , etc. It may be organised , but in terms of looking for threads - Its going to be harder

I prefer the old system for phone discussion with tags , at least it would be easier for wm folks to look for wm devices and so on. Oh yeah if i am surfing this section on my phone , its going to cost more data transfer (just a bit more)

but bro if u already know that yr phone is a symbian device jus go to the symbian thread it sorts it out a lot more nicely den before

last time if u had to find a windows mobile device (or any other than windows) u practically had to hunt it down to find it from the list of devices which could actually have been a long long time

I full support baronic's new idea as the thread looks way more organized

This post has been edited by booooster: Apr 26 2009, 09:31 AM

true, but then if that was the case, pdas and handphones shud not have been merged in the first place. it was merged to cater for technology convergence.

we cant just say "oh thats a PDA" or "oh its a SE". It could be windows mobile, it could be symbian. hence the need to classify its operating systems. If we were to leave it the way it was, then we might as well have not as merged because the issue is not solved, and we're back to square one.



SUMMARY OF EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE:

1) Notesbooks and PDA were in one forum

2) PDA was given is own forum because the community grew and had its own windows mobile support

3) Issue on whether nowadays Nokia Symbians were smartphones belong in PDA forum or not, due to technology convergence. In the end it was decided no, for now PDAs would be windows mobile, and SYMBIANS would stay in handphones and comm until a restructure

4) restructure takes place, and PDA threads were dumped back into the Handphones section. But then it does not solve but insteads worsens issue 1,2, and 3.

5) new restructure again, to classify based on OS, to address issue 3

This post has been edited by Baronic: Apr 26 2009, 09:46 AM

Argh.. it's so hard to understand..(maybe not that hard)
Why don't tag it like kopitiam, (got serious talk, chat etc)

Even the garage sales that have thousands of item looks more organize with tags..

Let say i got 3 types of phone, nokia, sony and pda..
So, i suppose to open and dig out in different subforum?
Instead of just click the tag, let say I want to buy earphones in garage sales, I simply click mobile accessories lah..

It does not mean I'm not interested in other things too, I might want to buy mobile number also..So, if they are grouped together, easier lah..

For this case, one might be own just one phone, but maybe he/she got knowledge to share with other users of different type of phones also..

Baronic

I am not talking about organizing OSes. You should just dump one whole section dedicated to phone specific related questions and just make use of tag. You can still maintain your Windows Mobile , UIQ , Symbian related sub-forums. Just make phone specific discussion into one and use tags. I find it easier to have all the phones in one place. If I want to view Windows Mobile related phone discussion , I just narrow it down. That's all

What I am just saying merge back phone-specific related discussion into one section with tags. The rest (OS-related) seems to be okay . Oh by the way if you're talking about PDAs - we need one for PalmOS ! (I guess there is no demand for this)

This post has been edited by prasys: Apr 26 2009, 10:49 AM

yea no demand for palm os, so i placed them in others first. there's no activity in those threads too.

anyway, i've voiced out my opinions, and i still think tags not efficient. if it was then from the very beginning when Notebooks and PDAs were together, tags would have been sufficient there as well. or we could merge ALL the forums and put tags only lol. but its just IMHO. I know it looks messy now but Fun games and entertainment (piracy breeding ground), the old phone specific, the "operating system" subforum, and price dealer will be removed.

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tags would also not address the issue of general OS discussion being overlooked. And OS discussions cannot be just clumped all together as well, as some OS discussions are pretty wide, it'd be like clumping Windows and Mac into one forum.



leaving it to RBR and Admin's discretion

This post has been edited by Baronic: Apr 26 2009, 11:16 AM

Baronic,
I like your idea of restructuring everything.
But, the classification of Manufacturer's OS handphones shouldnt be classified as Standard Java and Others.
It should be Standard OS.[Perhaps there are other kind of naming but the decision is still in your hands]

And since UIQ Technology is under Symbian OS and the phone model/discussion thread isnt that much to have their own dedicated thread, I suggest to merge UIQ to Symbian OS Thread. Then it will be more appropriate.

I hope my feedback is useful.

yea it seems more complicated now. Example i want to buy a phone let says SAMSUNG INV8 how i know is this symbian? window mobile or?

Why dont separate by phone brands?

good point, but brands cannot also, cuz of techonology convergence as said earlier.

oh okay bro. good idea, i'll let RBR know

This post has been edited by Baronic: Apr 26 2009, 12:27 PM

Maybe this wiki page may help you in the classification of Symbian Phone models that will help with the restructuring.
Wiki Under Devices that supports Symbian OS.

well if someone got/wants samsung innov8 I assume they shud know that it is symbian correct me if m wrong

they would have done research from other sites gsmarena and samsung official site as per say

to me it's transparent, (maybe so some of other users too), I'm more of a single thread forumer, rather than forum hopping. as long as the thread Topic ID stays, then it's OK.

This post has been edited by maesus: Apr 26 2009, 01:41 PM

i would still very much prefer those good old days arrangement [ PDA standalone main forum-before merging it with phone section ]

why at the first place merge PDA with others phone OS section e.g symbian etc etc? [ sorry for my ignorance due to my absent from LYN when merging took place ]

i believe there's must be a reason for the merging thingy...all right, and what's has been done is done. as for the current situation;

i fully support Baronic's new proposal [ the current structure made on 26th April 09 ]

IMHO, as a seasoned and experienced PDA/Windows Mobile user, i would very much like to share knowledge, exchange new information, solving issue, share new tweak with the pda community members....and this could be done easily if every pda fall under the same sub forum. this would ease everyone whom sharing the same interest to read, browse and give a helping hand easily....as everything is under the same page/sub and not cluster with other non related devices/OS.

can we have back the old one?

this is too tedious.

Remove Operating System Sub since there is already a sub for win and sym~

how's it looking now?

it's rather confusing...

Looking good. But some sections like phone-specific discussion is quite troublesome to access.
Maybe you should request RBR to post an announcement of the forum restructuring as some of the members is not used to the new structure.
PS : Sony Ericsson G900, W960 is classified as Symbian UIQ Phones.

This post has been edited by Forgotten06: Apr 26 2009, 05:00 PM

I must admit the current one looks kinda complicated.

I'm with prasys' suggestion with just sticking to the tags of each different brands rather than their OS.

Well, I beg to differ on regarding of this.
If everyone has done research beforehand, what is the use of creating these threads on LYN? Not all will do research first OK? Even sometimes, I bump into the phone-specific section, I will be surprised to see some models that I don't know. I click on the thread to understand more. Do you think, I'll go searching one round on Google first before looking at the thread?

Common sense tells us that we recognise brands more than the OS which it is operating with.
Isn't it easier to recognise SE P1i rather than Symbian UIQ?

This post has been edited by fruitie: Apr 26 2009, 05:03 PM

thanks, i'll move em to the right OS section.

@fruitie, yea, but then it would bring up the parent section, general OS discussion issue, as it would be neglected or the threads spammed over the main section

i shall differ to whatever RBR decides

Any changes made, I am up for it. At least its not jumbled up into one place.

I opened afew threads in this section and also the helpdesk area to condone my ideas. Don't think so I would want to repeat it again here.

To me:

The previous design is simple and easy to learn up. The new is specifically categories which is more organized. I must agree that newbies will find it hard to learn it up fast, but after awhile everyone will get used to it.

My suggestion for now will be, work together as a moderating team and come up with the best solution for this section. You are all formed as a moderating team for a reason.

Whatever solution that you guys come up with in the end, I will give my full support in making sure that forumers don't get confused.

Since it seems that new thingy is in place. I do hope the moderators in this section do come up with a sticky on where and how to post. It would clear up newbies doubts and such !

For instance identifying your phone OS first. That should be a sticky thread for newbies

For instance I may have bought a SE phone or I am looking for a SE Phone and I dont know much. The sticky thread would certainly help me out

For instance all HTC phones runs on Windows Mobile



This post has been edited by prasys: Apr 26 2009, 05:41 PM

Add another sub forum for other os, ie Andriod, Palm and other open source ones...

Btw I support the move for all phone talk to be in one forum, then branch out in respective sub forums

Well, if no such section is created beforehand, then we not be worrying about redundant and negligence issue.
Anyway, since these sub-forums were already created, nothing much could be done right?

I hope you could do a Newbie guide as suggested by prasys. Since I'm not that specialised in these devices, I will let you have to the call. Anyway, I can help on amending the guidelines.

did that for UIQ, and the users in the end wanted to be merged back into symbian. the community is too small for they're own subforum for now, and not active most importantly. we'll wait and see about that i guess

@fruitie, well the sections have been there all the while lol, just in the main section, it was just moved into there. anyway you're right. we'll have to think about something like a newbie guide. will close this thread down then, since its already done.