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Apr 10 2009, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Apr 10 2009, 12:05 AM)

Blackcurrants different loh.....

Why wine is made from grapes is that the skin has yeast naturally and the seed has bitter oils which helps with the tannin.... hohoho, currently I'm studying wine. They memang won't eat the skin on the outside, but when they eat the flesh of the grape, they will gnaw on the skin from the inside.... err... dunno that is understandable or not. Like with apples, if we peel off the skin, the calcium is lower than phosphorus, but if we give them with the skin on, apple calcium ratio is 1 to 1 with phosphorus. Same with oranges but orange got double calcium. So they can still get whatever is toxic from the grape skin.

All this is just to stay, be cautious only. We dunno what will happen later. Grapes are believed to cause liver failure in certain animals, and I read in a few forums overseas that many gliders die from liver failure.

Thanks for the clarification Hun. So it that means we can't make wine with blackcurrents? Haha, cause my friend made blackcurrent wine for me.. But it tasted like SUPER SWEET Ribena

. I need to add 1 : 5 water ratio to dilute it.

My gliders will never take any sort of skins even apples. But they are currently on HPW diet, guess that would fix the calcium ratio right?

Can teach me how to make wine? hehe, or sparkling juice... Hehe

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Agree with kelvin there. Inbred siblings might not have good immune system as well. That goes to other pets as well.

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Apr 10 2009, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(empty_reg @ Apr 10 2009, 07:48 AM)

My gliders will never take any sort of skins even apples. But they are currently on HPW diet, guess that would fix the calcium ratio right?

If you feed HPW, it would be better to feed fruits that are higher in calcium as well - such as papaya. Most of them feed papaya in every feeding together with another high fibre fruit.

I posted the nurtritional analysis of HPW in the last version. You can have a look at the ratio. It's not 2:1, so it is advised to feed high calcium fruits.

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Apr 10 2009, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(kelvin_faye @ Apr 10 2009, 12:45 AM)

Go google the word : Inbreeding to read more on its meaning.

Then u will know what to do.

If u accidentally breed this siblings of urs without knowing, then it is forgivable. But now that u knows about it and do nothing, and still wants to continue breeding them, then i really dunno what to say to u.

Well, Neutering the male is a good option here. As females cant be spayed coz of their complex reproductive systems.

Google more ya.

thx for the info.

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Apr 10 2009, 11:23 AM

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wooot woooot...gratz on V12...even im a lil bit late...T_T

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Apr 10 2009, 12:21 PM

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emm,,,,is it possible if SG got Diarrhea if we always change their type of fruit everyday,,,,like monday is mango, tuesday, tomato, wednesday, peach, thurday, papaya, friday, honeydew, and etc,,,,?

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Apr 10 2009, 12:25 PM

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u don give one fruits only each day right?

Gliders loves variety of fruits ~~

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Apr 10 2009, 12:26 PM

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i give only one type fruit per day,,,,,do i need to mix the fruits?

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Apr 10 2009, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(wafiazizul @ Apr 10 2009, 12:26 PM)

i give only one type fruit per day,,,,,do i need to mix the fruits?

erm..for me i give at least 3 types of fruits and vege daily.. sometimes 4....

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Apr 10 2009, 12:29 PM

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If possible, u feed PAPAYA [everyday] + [any fruit] + [any fruit], not to forget CHOY SUM [everday] + [any vege] + [any vege], and of coz this applies to those using HPW Diet like me, myself.

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owh,,,okay,,,,maybe i will try do that,,,,,but can they get diarrhea by that changes or drinking too much water?

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Apr 10 2009, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(wafiazizul @ Apr 10 2009, 12:29 PM)

owh,,,okay,,,,maybe i will try do that,,,,,but can they get diarrhea by that changes or drinking too much water?

i guess they will adjust the water consuming by themselves..if u feed watery fruits like watermelon, then they drink lesser lo..

but anyway gliders need water everyday also....

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Apr 10 2009, 01:12 PM

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if you give alot types of fruits to joeys, they might get diarrhea from the overload. what i mean is those joeys that is weaned and just starts to take adult food than the mum's milk. if your glider is not that stage, i don't think it will cause problem feeding a variety of fruits because in the wild they too eat a variety of fruits and saps. and many ppl here too feeding a few types of fruits to their glider.

btw, giving too much citrus fruits will cause diarrhea.

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Apr 10 2009, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_faye @ Apr 10 2009, 12:29 PM)

If possible, u feed PAPAYA [everyday] + [any fruit] + [any fruit], not to forget CHOY SUM [everday] + [any vege] + [any vege], and of coz this applies to those using HPW Diet like me, myself.

Noted. I can't bare to think of feeding 6 variety of vege + fruits everyday.

I'll just stick to more fruits.. So I can eat some.. lol
Will check out the lastest HPW info later.

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Apr 10 2009, 01:39 PM

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anyone using Nail-O-Matic here?

need some 1st hand experience details from SG owners on whether it is effective or not.

Just bought one but scared that it's hurt my gliders.

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Apr 10 2009, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(l3ryan @ Apr 10 2009, 01:39 PM)

anyone using Nail-O-Matic here?

need some 1st hand experience details from SG owners on whether it is effective or not.

Just bought one but scared that it's hurt my gliders.

If im not mistaken its like sandpaper.. it just files the nails.. Not 100% sure coz i dont use it myself. but i think trimming the gliders nails is always the best solution.

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yeah2,,,im agree with SCC,,,,,just trim their nail is better,,,,its quite easy to trim if u got the rite trimmer,,,,,if the normal penyepit kuku is quite hard to use,,,,,,

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QUOTE(l3ryan @ Apr 10 2009, 01:39 PM)

anyone using Nail-O-Matic here?

need some 1st hand experience details from SG owners on whether it is effective or not.

Just bought one but scared that it's hurt my gliders.

Nail-O-Matic is good.. even though i prefer trimming the nails by using nail clipper, N-O-M does work well... just put inside wheel for a night or two then you can get the result.. but make sure u take it out after the nails all trimmed if not it may hurt the gliders palm... i used N-O-M before but stop since trimming the nails using clipper is more exciting.. hehe.. hope im sharing something good here...

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QUOTE(bardz @ Apr 10 2009, 02:09 PM)

Nail-O-Matic is good.. even though i prefer trimming the nails by using nail clipper, N-O-M does work well... just put inside wheel for a night or two then you can get the result.. but make sure u take it out after the nails all trimmed if not it may hurt the gliders palm... i used N-O-M before but stop since trimming the nails using clipper is more exciting.. hehe.. hope im sharing something good here...

If the glider dowan to Run in N-O-M how?? YUp~ trimming is the best after all