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post Sep 17 2009, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Sep 17 2009, 10:16 AM)
This is not a bad news for Melaka.

this is a bad news for the whole malaysia farmhouse. Change the mindset!!

If this is allow, it will spread to all states, remember that,

WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH NORMAL HUMAN BEING HERE,

THEY ARE AS SMART AS WHAT THEY WEARING EVERYDAY!.

THEY ONLY KNOW TO COPYCATS!

THEY CAN'T THINK USING THEIR HEAD!

THEY NEVER USED IT.

so, unless the head of all swiftlet farming industry,which they always stress without anyone agreed, which, is the kedah swiftlet farm association, named, Malaysia bird's nest association, start to form a team to tackle this issue. it will be doom for all.

Did u see the scenario here?

5 yrs ago, they said residential not allowed, only shoplot n agriculture land allowed.

then few yrs later,they said residential n shoplot not allowed n only industrial n agricultural n eco park allowed.

n now,they said residential n shoplot n industrial not allowed (even though govt lead by our PM had reaffirmed that shoplot is allowed, but the dept heads,some, are pushing ahead as they need to do faster then the govt with their hidden agenda), n agricultural n eco park is allowed.

n in future, not far, agricultural is not allowed, n only eco park is allowed.

thts my prediction.

believed it or not??

you suka.
Start to make noise, bros....to protect ur own rice bowl!..

dt let ppls to shit in your face n u still keep ur smile!!..


Added on September 17, 2009, 10:19 amTHEIR TACTICS...

SIKIT SIKIT KASI BOCOR...

LEPAS ITU...HENTAM SEMUA..

U THINK THEY ONLY AIM AT HERITAGE?? THINK TWICE.


Added on September 17, 2009, 10:21 amsee too much how they operate...

dt think thts the end of it............
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“如果在檢查時,有關燕屋被發現有喇叭但沒有燕子,沒有問題。

如果發現沒有喇叭但有燕子,就有問題。”

政府建議集中養燕的地點,是在填海區、烏絨巴西、野新的萬里茂海邊。

另一個受到考慮的地點是瓜拉雙溪峇汝。
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for the article above,i thing shouls be the developer business strategy,i believe what CK predit,i will spread to whole malaysia soon.
its the time for us to flight,Those in MCA and gerakan,and swiftlet association.it the time to proof your power.Flight it to get supporter for the next election.


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post Sep 17 2009, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 17 2009, 10:23 AM)
Dear CWG,

I'm your blog reader. you said in your blog that don't play external sound inside the BH. May I know the reason ?
I placed external sound in my 3 storey swiftlet bungalow at LAL and both end of the building for bird pulling effect. No ?
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Normally, people play the external tweeter in the BH using the same Amp as the external tweeters. Cheaper and easier. According to the sifu, some external sounds if play together with internal sound in the BH will make the bird confuses. Remember, most likely we will change external sound every 3 to 4 months. If some external sound has "Stress Sound" inside, your BH will be in trouble.

The best is to play the Pulling sound in your BH with separate Amp. So, when you change your external sound, you would not affect the pulling sound in the BH.
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post Sep 17 2009, 02:11 PM

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[quote=tangsn,Sep 17 2009, 11:41 AM]
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“如果在檢查時,有關燕屋被發現有喇叭但沒有燕子,沒有問題。

如果發現沒有喇叭但有燕子,就有問題。”

政府建議集中養燕的地點,是在填海區、烏絨巴西、野新的萬里茂海邊。

另一個受到考慮的地點是瓜拉雙溪峇汝。
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I find this part interesting too. If we removed the tweeters and birds still like to come, that is our fault doh.gif sweat.gif But no problem if there are tweeters but no birds. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Not sure whether is coincident of pre-plan. Last 2 weeks there is a developer from ECO Park Malacca (NUSA DUSUN HU ZAN Huang) approach me and asked my help to advertise the project in my blog. Apparently, they already have 2 units 3-storey standalone BH (show flat). According to the developer, the project is approved by State Gov. But very Expensive. ~ RM680K

I am not sure whether is there any relation between this Eco park and the closure of Town BH in Malacca.

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post Sep 17 2009, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(CWG @ Sep 17 2009, 12:51 PM)
Normally, people play the external tweeter in the BH using the same Amp as the external tweeters. Cheaper and easier. According to the sifu, some external sounds if play together with internal sound in the BH will make the bird confuses. Remember, most likely we will change external sound every 3 to 4 months. If some external sound has "Stress Sound" inside, your BH will be in trouble.

The best is to play the Pulling sound in your BH with separate Amp. So, when you change your external sound, you would not affect the pulling sound in the BH.
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Thank you CWG, very good tips indeed. I used 1 amp for external sound only sweat.gif .
BTW, just to update the "endurance test" carried out on the cheap 6 channels BGB amp bought from jalan pasar. The amp was timed to switch on from 7am to 8.30pm (13.5 hours) everyday and it has been almost 3 months now the amp is still working fine.

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post Sep 17 2009, 03:18 PM

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[quote=tangsn,Sep 17 2009, 11:41 AM]
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“如果在檢查時,有關燕屋被發現有喇叭但沒有燕子,沒有問題。

如果發現沒有喇叭但有燕子,就有問題。”

政府建議集中養燕的地點,是在填海區、烏絨巴西、野新的萬里茂海邊。

另一個受到考慮的地點是瓜拉雙溪峇汝。
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Which ever officers mentioned the statement above (bh got external tweeter but no birds no problem, bh with no external tweeter but got birds in trouble) think the brain seriously kuku.

So you are saying its ok if u want to blast our tweeter and wake up the neighbours, no bird in the house no problem?

Wat if the birds fly into your house naturally and stay there. You never install any tweeter or player but you be in trouble, they will saman you? Why dont the saman the birds then.

How can they say your house window must be opened all the time, failure which they will saman you.

My ass, that's my house. We want to open or close the window also upto town councils to say? When you shit inside your house, you keep you toilet door open or close also up to town council to say?@!

Guess only one place that suits these officers. Tman Bahagia - happy garden for the rest of your life.

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post Sep 17 2009, 08:42 PM

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I maybe in Specialist Centre for the last 21 days and will be there and I don't know how long but at least 30 K EBN.

The pain cause by the wound is bad but nothing compare to the news posted.
As someone mentioned here, now they banned town, the industry, later the agriculture by giving absurd reasoning......why didn't prevent swallow and pigeons and other birds from the towns.

Let put it this way, if it is oil that you find under the town, you will move the population but then, EBN is white gold and unlike oil, it never end but get better and better. Please allow the old ones to stay.

Hopefully, our beloved PM keep his words that BHs are allowed in towns.
I find that our PM is the only one who is consistent in the matter and others seem to follow the wind of the days and that's politics. I tend to respect him more and more by the PM present words follow by his actions.
Concerning the PM's words on the matter...... That's what I heard from his man @ Seremban and an Pahang Exco man.

So, Mr. PM, if your men are reading our forum, pls. save us and our precious golden birds from harm and danger. Only you alone can save this industry from dome day.....otherwise with all the rich ECO men and their connections, we stand no changes from been destroyed.
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post Sep 18 2009, 06:43 AM

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Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam facilitate EBN farming.

Our Malaysia government frustrates EBN farming.

Such is the sad situation facing all of us here.

West Wing, wish you a speedy recovery.
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post Sep 18 2009, 09:45 AM

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To all muslim readers, Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri.
To West Wing, Insyah Allah, semoga anda cepat sembuh dan sihat walafiat
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post Sep 18 2009, 01:18 PM

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Tell the goverment ppl, forest fire forced the swiftlets to migrate to Malaysia, all the current and the new rules and regulations here will force the bird to migrate again to Thailand , Cambodia and Vietnam.
Is that what they want?
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post Sep 18 2009, 04:57 PM

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Thanks aieou228 for the translation.

I believe in what ChanK said. There will be no end to the EBN industry until the policy, implementation and enforcement are 100% foolproof for us. It is the same with almost everything here in Malaysia... the policy is seen as ideal, perfect and doable even endorsed by high ranking officials... but when it comes to implementation and enforcement, the agencies responsible become the culprits for all sorts of mismanagement and abuse. I can't see any better way unless we unite for a common cause... revitalize and enforce the 'dream team' pro-temp committee... liaise with all BN associations on how to handle these issues... plan the necessary strategies for marketing and public education as well. I know different associations may have different agenda's, but i'm sure common ground can be found. Maybe propose a task force endorsed by the NRE and request participation from relevant agencies plus possibly a special aide from the PMD who reports to the PM directly (haish... wish it was so easy). All i can say is if we let THEM take the initiative, most probably it'll go their way. From the looks of it, the industry is filled with capable people whom are influential as well. A petition is still a good idea at this stage.

Again i stress we should try providing the data for the relevant authorities... since research based facts are hard to deny. Maybe some registered association can work together with local universities and provide the necessary data to prove all the misconceptions wrong. Maybe shove it up SAM's Presidents arse (kinda pissed at the guy since he seriously has biased and wrong info about the industry).

Refreshing some info... i firmly believe that if we can remove AF from the UNDANG-UNDANG MALAYSIA, AKTA 76, AKTA PERLINDUNGAN HIDUPAN LIAR 1972 list... it would solve half the problem. That Act is non-specific in terms of definition and clearly open to abuse by the related agency.

Brother West Wing, 21 days warded means it must be post op... or some complications or some monitoring is seriously done. Wish you a speedy recovery.

To my dear forumers, brother WW, Eng Lee, CWG, aeiou228, ChanK, coolandy, Bobby C, Unlce Ben and all the others... i wish you all merry festivities. Holidays!!!

To the Muslim brothers, Eid Said Wa Antum Bikhair. Don't forget about zakat and don't eat too much, later the baju raya tak muat!! >.<




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post Sep 18 2009, 05:42 PM

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Selamat Hari Raya To all Malaysians n to all bros in this forum.

Enjoy ur holiday with your family.

And Fast recovery for bro west wing.


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post Sep 18 2009, 06:21 PM

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Selamat Beraya, Happy Raya, Happy holiday kawan-kawan.

Speedy recovery Uncle WW.

Good health, plenty to birds, less complaints/harrassment to all!

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To all dear Sifus here,

Please help comment on our new BH design. It's an open roof with 4*4 m. roving area before entering into a .7*.9 m. entrance hole as in the pictures below.
We plan to build in a small town with many birds there, cannot disclose the name of the town, didn't want to attract authority's attention.

Thank you in advance and wish you all a very good health,good fortune and win all your wars.

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post Sep 19 2009, 08:41 PM

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You can eliminate the pillars in the center by reducing the building width by 2', increase the thickness of support beam or add one more beam to 6 beams. Beams can be put to good used for colony divider and triple decker nesting plank.

Your LAL are rather small.

Your roving room is 4mx4m and that is the minimum comfortable flying path. The hole ( nesting room hole) situated in the center is a difficult entrance for birds based on your roving room's size. Unless your birds no need pusing pusing in roving area and fly straight into the hole from the top.

You really need such a big control room ?

Make sure lay double layer bricks at ground floor 4 walls for security reason. Now, thieve use hydraulic jack to break open BH's walls. No wall knocking sound at all.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 19 2009, 07:41 PM)
You can eliminate the pillars in the center by reducing the building width by 2', increase the thickness of support beam or add one more beam to 6 beams. Beams can be put to good used for colony divider and triple decker nesting plank.

Your LAL are rather small.

Your roving room is 4mx4m and that is the minimum comfortable flying path. The hole ( nesting room hole) situated in the center is a difficult entrance for birds based on your roving room's size. Unless your birds no need pusing pusing in roving area and fly straight into the hole from the top.

You really need such a big control room ?

Make sure lay double layer bricks at ground floor 4 walls for security reason. Now, thieve use hydraulic jack to break open BH's walls. No wall knocking sound at all.
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Thanks so much for your response, aeiou228,
Ok,will consult an engineer again on how to get rid of the pillars
I will consider increase the roving area to 4*8, double it!! will it be ok?
LaL each floor at 2.5*2 m is still too small?
Points noted on control room size and double layer bricks.
Thanks again,your advise is highly appreciated.

Any more comments, please please?

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QUOTE(Tweeter @ Sep 19 2009, 09:50 PM)
Thanks so much for your response, aeiou228,
Ok,will consult an engineer again on how to get rid of the pillars
I will consider increase the roving area to 4*8, double it!! will it be ok?
LaL each floor at 2.5*2 m is still too small?
Points noted on control room size and double layer bricks.
Thanks again,your advise is highly appreciated.

Any more comments, please please?
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If 4mx8m, then it should be alright to have 1 hole in the middle.

LAL. your concrete stair already occupied 1m width and your 4" to 6" side wall some more ? why not 3m x 3m or bigger ?
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aeiou228,
Ok,I am convinced on bigger roving area and bigger LAL.
Still cannot find a way to get rid of the pillars if I want to maintain the width, my engineer said in order to maintain the width without the pillars,the beam will be much bigger and that's expensive. He said to get rid of the pillars, the width should be reduce to 6 meter, then the beam can be just a little bit bigger. Will need to study further on how expensive and how much bigger on LAL.
This will be our first BH, need to do it right in as much as possible with our little knowledge on this area.
Thank you very much for your advise.



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Nice. Also building my 1st one Tweeter, and try as hard as we might, theres bound to be something missing or just not right. Thats where the old buggers here help a lot.

My own... each 'petak' instead of 4mx4m... mines 15ftx16ft... basically an 80ft x30ft standalone. LAL is one petak, roving area also the same. I figured that since the size was fairly big, a larger and more comfortable LAL and roving area should be more appealing to the birds. However the LAL's location is a bit different... had a quarrel with my consultant, but finally gave in... its located on contra ends of each floor, meaning to say the birds fly more to reach the next LAL. Up to date, framework done, roof done, blocks being made and will be continued after raya, planks to be ordered after raya (waiting for samples).

I'm thinking of the control room... one 'petak' would be kinda large. Unless i intend to make it a living quarter as well (which is not advisable).... mulling what aeiou228 said... doesn't need to be that big, and most definitely a waste of nesting area.

hmm... about the slabs... i hear the minimum is 4 inches. Reinforced with BRC + Y12 (or was it Y??). I think one of the forumers mentioned a long time ago... but just to remind, the slabs must be given attention. Also mulling about water proofing the rooftop slab with that tar like material, just in case the asbes roof leaks (it'll be a pain to repair leaks). Since i'm not from a construction background, there might be mistakes here and there.
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QUOTE(Tweeter @ Sep 20 2009, 12:18 AM)
aeiou228,
Ok,I am convinced on bigger roving area and bigger LAL. 
Still cannot find a way to get rid of the pillars if I want to maintain the width, my engineer said in order to maintain the width without the pillars,the beam will be much bigger and that's expensive. He said to get rid of the pillars, the width should be reduce to 6 meter, then the beam can be just a little bit bigger. Will need to study further on how expensive and how much bigger on LAL.
This will be our first BH, need to do it right in as much as possible with our little knowledge on this area.
Thank you very much for your advise.
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For me, it is not necessary to maintain multiple sets of 4m x 4m square for open nesting area concept unless you want to create partitioned rooms. Therefore your BH's width can be reduced by 1m and transfer the $ saving to lengthen the building by 2m. It will cost you the same based on area per sq ft. And you have a BH with no pillars !!

7m width no need middle support pillars still can. Ask Engineer Lee about it.

Some shop house BH I'd visited used only the staircase entrance as control room !!

QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Sep 20 2009, 01:59 AM)
I'm thinking of the control room... one 'petak' would be kinda large. Unless i intend to make it a living quarter as well (which is not advisable).... mulling what aeiou228 said... doesn't need to be that big, and most definitely a waste of nesting area.

hmm... about the slabs... i hear the minimum is 4 inches. Reinforced with BRC + Y12 (or was it Y??). I think one of the forumers mentioned a long time ago... but just to remind, the slabs must be given attention. Also mulling about water proofing the rooftop slab with that tar like material, just in case the asbes roof leaks (it'll be a pain to repair leaks). Since i'm not from a construction background, there might be mistakes here and there.
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Judging from the size of your BH, I guess you can have the luxury of bigger control room for storage purposes.

If I can rebuild my BH again, I will build the control room and the staircase outside of BH wall as a small rectangle attachment say 6' x 10' x 3 storey high. Every floor will have individual door access and a big glass window for periodical observation and placing cctv without having to enter the BH. Sound Equipments can be placed underneath the ground floor's staircase.

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Sep 20 2009, 12:59 AM)
Nice. Also building my 1st one Tweeter, and try as hard as we might, theres bound to be something missing or just not right. Thats where the old buggers here help a lot. My own... each 'petak' instead of 4mx4m... mines 15ftx16ft... basically an 80ft x30ft standalone. LAL is one petak, roving area also the same. I figured that since the size was fairly big, a larger and more comfortable LAL and roving area should be more appealing to the birds. However the LAL's location is a bit different... had a quarrel with my consultant, but finally gave in... its located on contra ends of each floor, meaning to say the birds fly more to reach the next LAL. Up to date, framework done, roof done, blocks being made and will be continued after raya, planks to be ordered after raya (waiting for samples). I'm thinking of the control room... one 'petak' would be kinda large. Unless i intend to make it a living quarter as well (which is not advisable).... mulling what aeiou228 said... doesn't need to be that big, and most definitely a waste of nesting area. hmm... about the slabs... i hear the minimum is 4 inches. Reinforced with BRC + Y12 (or was it Y??). I think one of the forumers mentioned a long time ago... but just to remind, the slabs must be given attention. Also mulling about water proofing the rooftop slab with that tar like material, just in case the asbes roof leaks (it'll be a pain to repair leaks). Since i'm not from a construction background, there might be mistakes here and there.
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Hi dunsuntutmybuntut,
Thanks you very much for your comments.
For your an 80ft x30ft standalone BH , do you have pillars inside the building?
Please advise what is " BRC + Y12 " or where to look up, not familiar with the name, thank you.


QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 20 2009, 08:51 AM)
For me, it is not necessary to maintain multiple sets of 4m x 4m square for open nesting area concept unless you want to create partitioned rooms. Therefore your BH's width can be reduced by 1m and transfer the $ saving to lengthen the building by 2m. It will cost you the same based on area per sq ft. And you have a BH with no pillars !! 7m width no need middle support pillars still can. Ask Engineer Lee about it. Some shop house BH I'd visited used only the staircase entrance as control room !! Judging from the size of your BH, I guess you can have the luxury of bigger control room for storage purposes. If I can rebuild my BH again, I will build the control room and the staircase outside of BH wall as a small rectangle attachment say 6' x 10' x 3 storey high. Every floor will have individual door access and a big glass window for periodical observation and placing cctv without having to enter the BH. Sound Equipments can be placed underneath the ground floor's staircase.
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The width and length is pretty much limited by the land, so I cannot further increase the length, but appreciate your advise.
Outside control room and stair case and glass window to monitor the bird is a very interesting idea.
If I have to reduce the width I can have this option, only that I have to start it all over again on design, sigh!

Just a token of appreciation for your comments and advise, aeiou228 and dunsuntutmybuntut,
Here are the video clip of Birdnest harvesting from capes and BH ,transportation,processing and to the retail shops.
Sorry that they are not in English but a pictures,specially movie should be easily understood.
There are two episodes:
1.http://hiptv.mcot.net/player/hipPlayer.php?SelectSpeed=256k&id=23862
See how they colled bird nests from the caves. ฺBefore harvesting they have to pay hommage to their God to help protect them from accident.
To harvest these nests from around 100 caves in southern part of Thailand for 7 years, they have to pay the Thai goverment 709 Million Baht.

2.http://hiptv.mcot.net/listProgramCat.php?catId=29
See some of the BH, there are more than 100+ BH in this small town, see the bird shitted on the narrator, and see the cleaning process of bird nest.

Those who do not give me any comments or advise on my design are not allowed to see lah,...................just kidding.

Enjoy!!!

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