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post Nov 5 2009, 04:41 PM


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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 5 2009, 04:34 PM)
How do they handle game engine changes or improvements?  blink.gif

Blizzard seems to have a huge problem doing the same thing
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Easy, have the lead developer (In this case IW), be in charge of the engine. The other dev team just develops on whatever engine is being used at the moment. Same for with the Splinter Cell games.
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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 5 2009, 04:14 PM)
Actually that's only half true now.

Big game developers realize that yearly sequels need extra work behind them, so they've decided to go with 2 year development cycles instead. Thus, resulting in dual development teams being used for a single games franchise.

Call of Duty is one example with IW and Treyarch working alternatively and another would be the Splinter Cell series with Ubisoft Montreal and Ubisoft Shanghai.
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Or like what happen to NFS.3 different teams working on different games.


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QUOTE(Voxe @ Nov 5 2009, 04:40 PM)
It feels like a lose-lose situation.

If we don't buy the game, IW will not develope future PC games.
If we buy the game, IW will develope more nerfed-up PC games.
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No matter what,we arent getting the same CoD we used to love anymore.

MW2 have severe consolitis disease.

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post Nov 5 2009, 04:54 PM


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QUOTE(Voxe @ Nov 5 2009, 04:40 PM)
It feels like a lose-lose situation.

If we don't buy the game, IW will not develope future PC games.
If we buy the game, IW will develope more nerfed-up PC games.
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Who loses more?

You, because you don't get to play A game, or the people whose entire livelihoods depends on the games industry, or the investors who invested in that game company, or the CEO who can't continue his lucrative tenure due to his gamble?

Quite frankly, if you're this confused now, I wonder how you'll deal with women when you get into that game.
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post Nov 5 2009, 05:02 PM


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Well,might as well take your money saved for MW2 for something else then.

Dragon Age got very very good marks all across the internet.And the PC version is much better than the consoles.

Torchlight is quite good too,if you like Diablo.

Lastly L4D2 could be a better substitute for MW2.If not,wait for BFBC2 next year then.Natural Selection 2 looks good too.

It's not the end yet.And im not losing anything,as im still getting some fun playing other games by their competitors.Screw IW and Activision.
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post Nov 5 2009, 07:25 PM


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I don't remember there is any LAN play mentioned.
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Is there LAN? I dont think server list is available for you to LAN since IW says PC gamers dont like browsing in server list.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Nov 5 2009, 07:39 PM)
I don't remember there is any LAN play mentioned.
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Nov 5 2009, 08:38 PM)
Is there LAN? I dont think server list is available for you to LAN since IW says PC gamers dont like browsing in server list.
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They didnt actually said anything about LAN.

So,there is a chance it wont be there. doh.gif
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Read until lean, went raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage <insert kopitiam pictar>.

Like, wtf? I used to poke fun at my friends who play CS and Dispatch of Army, gloating that we have lean and iron sights. Even convinced some Dotards to get MW2 too before IW rained shit upon PC players.
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IW pretty much shit on all of us.

I do feel pity for those who are buying the game without knowing that this game is just a lazy console port.
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IW is now officially a loser
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I'm actually very very curious as to how they felt that they could get away with all this.

Did they really think MW2 would be like the FPS of the decade? That at the end of the day, we're all useless sods with no self-control and we'd end up buying the thing regardless of all this shafting?

Like perhaps they had some graph with list of features matched up against potential RAGE from PC community if removed and then they slowly chipped away at it before it hit some baseline whereby the "potential" sales projections would be too low (Or rate of piracy becomes too high because they believe we'll just pirate it if we won't buy it)

Saying this is bizarre would be an understatement and I'm really really anxious to see how this all plays out.
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Nov 5 2009, 08:48 PM)
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That was a sarcasm because IW claimed that there is a mystical creature that cant browse server list.
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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 5 2009, 09:43 PM)
I'm actually very very curious as to how they felt that they could get away with all this.

Did they really think MW2 would be like the FPS of the decade? That at the end of the day, we're all useless sods with no self-control and we'd end up buying the thing regardless of all this shafting?

Like perhaps they had some graph with list of features matched up against potential RAGE from PC community if removed and then they slowly chipped away at it before it hit some baseline whereby the "potential" sales projections would be too low (Or rate of piracy becomes too high because they believe we'll just pirate it if we won't buy it)

Saying this is bizarre would be an understatement and I'm really really anxious to see how this all plays out.
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The way i see CoD franchise isnt much different from NFS before EA split it to a few developers.I think they just gonna milk it ridiculously every year and the quality just keep dropping every year.People still gonna buy it regardless of the quality,as long as they hype it.

MW2 wont be the FPS of the decade as the necessary facilities needed arent there anymore,but it will be enough to keep Kotick fat and rich.Thats what they care,not whether it will be played by gamers for years to come.

I believe that the reason that they implement IWNet is to control MW2's multiplayer life span,if they feel that people shouldnt play MW2 multiplayer(example:MW3 released) anymore,they can close their servers down.Dedicated servers would be much harder to close down as it's run by players.NFS was doing that every year until Shift hits.

In short,CoD is the new NFS series.While NFS have changed it's direction to be a better racing game.

I for one,wont be buying this,as im putting my MW2 money for other games made by people who care about PC.Not some shameless company that tries to rip off PC gamer's money.IW have pretty much lost my respect after screwing me around with buckets of bullshit.


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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Nov 5 2009, 09:59 PM)
That was a sarcasm because IW claimed that there is a mystical creature that cant browse server list.
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Robert Bowling actually believes that looking for a game in a server browser has a learning curve. doh.gif

Seriously,how hard can it be to find a server off a server list?

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Nov 5 2009, 10:02 PM)
Robert Bowling actually believes that looking for a game in a server browser has a learning curve. doh.gif

Seriously,how hard can it be to find a server off a server list?
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I dont know mate, probably godlike 90 degree learning curve on how to find a good game. Assisted by 'Sort' button option. :3
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Nov 5 2009, 10:02 PM)
The way i see CoD franchise isnt much different from NFS before EA split it to a few developers.I think they just gonna milk it ridiculously every year and the quality just keep dropping every year.People still gonna buy it regardless of the quality,as long as they hype it.

MW2 wont be the FPS of the decade as the necessary facilities needed arent there anymore,but it will be enough to keep Kotick fat and rich.Thats what they care,not whether it will be played by gamers for years to come.

I believe that the reason that they implement IWNet is to control MW2's multiplayer life span,if they feel that people shouldnt play MW2 multiplayer(example:MW3 released) anymore,they can close their servers down.Dedicated servers would be much harder to close down as it's run by players.NFS was doing that every year until Shift hits.

In short,CoD is the new NFS series.While NFS have changed it's direction to be a better racing game.

I for one,wont be buying this,as im putting my MW2 money for other games made by people who care about PC.Not some shameless company that tries to rip off PC gamer's money.IW have pretty much lost my respect after screwing me around with buckets of bullshit.


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Robert Bowling actually believes that looking for a game in a server browser has a learning curve. doh.gif

Seriously,how hard can it be to find a server off a server list?
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But the thing is, whenever a big company wants to screw over their playerbase, they'll do it discreetly (By basically not saying anything. Case in point: Operation Flashpoint 2's lack of dedicated servers).

This is almost as though they WANT to incur our wrath. Its either they've completely lost touch with the very idea of a PC (One of their interviews actually listed out "Mouse control" as a PC feature) or they're that arrogant that their game is soooooo good ON TOP OF ALL THIS.

You can assume that the game will be crap because its lacking all these fundamentals, but what if it were REALLY that good in spite of all that?

Then what?

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Then I'd blame poor publicity/marketting. Lol. Mareshians whut, done blaming this, time to point my finger at that. laugh.gif

but seriously now, like what you said, it seems like the only thing they're committed to is pissing PC players off. If it's really good, I'll have no qualms buying it, but even from the horse's mouth, MP is going to be shit anyway. 100ms = playable?

Wasn't there a theory bout MW2 being a test platform for a slew of games? A one-government, New World Order of gaming. First IW.NET then Blizzard's whatchamacallit.
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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 6 2009, 01:43 AM)
But the thing is, whenever a big company wants to screw over their playerbase, they'll do it discreetly (By basically not saying anything. Case in point: Operation Flashpoint 2's lack of dedicated servers).

This is almost as though they WANT to incur our wrath. Its either they've completely lost touch with the very idea of a PC (One of their interviews actually listed out "Mouse control" as a PC feature) or they're that arrogant that their game is soooooo good ON TOP OF ALL THIS.

You can assume that the game will be crap because its lacking all these fundamentals, but what if it were REALLY that good in spite of all that?

Then what?

:shudders:
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You know what IW reminds of me now,an annoying troll from /k that wants to piss off everyone just for fun.It's either they trolling around for some unknown reasons.Or they have completely lost touch with PC gaming which i find it hard to believe.

I did realise that this is a bit strange as they are intentionally screwing their players openly while their competitor is taking the chance to win the hearts of their angry players like DICE.At the same time,their other competitors like Valve,EA,Runic are releasing their games at the same time.Shouldnt they do something to make the players to buy their game than their competitor's one? Doesnt make sense to me at all.

Still,what are the chances that MW2 is gonna be good,especially with the MP side? There are FPS games out there that use P2P,their MP died in a month as no one wants to play over a laggy system.
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Nov 6 2009, 07:24 AM)
You know what IW reminds of me now,an annoying troll from /k that wants to piss off everyone just for fun.It's either they trolling around for some unknown reasons.Or they have completely lost touch with PC gaming which i find it hard to believe.

I did realise that this is a bit strange as they are intentionally screwing their players openly while their competitor is taking the chance to win the hearts of their angry players like DICE.At the same time,their other competitors like Valve,EA,Runic are releasing their games at the same time.Shouldnt they do something to make the players to buy their game than their competitor's one? Doesnt make sense to me at all.

Still,what are the chances that MW2 is gonna be good,especially with the MP side? There are FPS games out there that use P2P,their MP died in a month as no one wants to play over a laggy system.
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That's the thing, I believe that they truly believe that they can get away with this based on past behaviour.

After watching the initial uproar and subsequent quell of the L4D2 boycott, they probably figured that PC gamers are all filled with hot air and if they do not relent with their proposed changes, the community will come around.

Clavicus: Its either ingenious marketing or really horrible case of letting your marketing dictate your game.
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