hey guys, u think home appliances will increase price after CNY?

I wanna sharing of DIY of Hob filter can buy at Daiso outlet.





Attached to fancoil looks like.

Top view




Side view


Internal looks


Details look for coil fin is keep very clean dont have any dust.


Blower view can keep for very clean not much dust to stick at blower part.


Attached from top to lower part.


it is already using almost 2 -3 months, from attached the air filter.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jan 20 2011, 10:42 PM

I reckon, this may significant reduce the air-flow to the blower.
Prefer more porous one or less density one.

Anyway, thank for the sharing.

for mine now is using low fan speed and set to 26-27 for my baby room it is still can keep cold enough.
does not feel the temperature will be very hot until you may increase -1 degree and use 1 step higher fan.

Maybe your one filter is too thicken already.

ha? 28 degree then can save power... what a joke? if 28 degree why u need to on aircon if at nite???

mine also set at 28. first, not all 28 is 28, if use a thermometer test the actual room temp,it maybe 26-27.
second, nows a day all house are not vent properly, my room is hot too at night...

price is cheap, but no inverter, in long run, u lose more $$$ as the electricity bill is going to be up for sure in future....

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Added on January 23, 2011, 12:56 pmyes, it could happen, but with actual temperature 26-27 i not a comfort temperature for me..........

actual temperature of 25 should be the ideal temperature....

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Added on January 23, 2011, 2:06 pm1) not necessary use more than 8 hrs then can save electricity... as long as the aircon reached set temperature (part load)..... so basically after 10-15 mins u on the aircon and after the temperature hit then it save electricity already...so need to wait til 8 hrs per day...

8 hrs per day at least for inverter to save electricity is very naive kind of talking... basically ppl must on 8 hrs per day is referring to how long u can recover the extra cost u spent on a new inverter aircon by misusing way in how much u save by using inverter aircon daily...

2) even u set below 25c also can save, as long as the set temperature can be reached...only difference is the lower u set the temperature, the longer time it takes to reach the temperature....unless u set very very low temperature 21-22 or below....it will be tough for aircon to hit the temperature within short time becos other factor like the outside temperature at that time also plays a part... the bigger the difference between the room temp and outside temp, the longer and harder for aircon to reach..

3) yes room size and ur inverter aircon BTU must match or greater....

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Added on January 23, 2011, 2:08 pmthe blue color part of thing is u bought urself one, or it comes with the aircon one?? how come my unit does not come with it????


This post has been edited by westlife: Jan 23 2011, 02:08 PM

28° is extremely comfortable. the key is dehumidification. dryer air feels much cooler. also add airflow through fans. that way you dont need to cool down much. actual temp in my house is really around 27-28° but humidity level is only 60%. it makes a huge difference.

the blue color part of thing is u bought urself one, or it comes with the aircon one?? how come my unit does not come with it????

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nope it is come with hitachi ALL DC inverter unit.
i think it's nano virus filter.

cause when i bought is hitachi after used at 1 week i change over to mitsubishi electric for everyday sleep i hear the noisy for fancoil blower, end up i changed so now no more noisy again, mit ele. MSY-GE10VA & GE13VA model is the quietest 19dB in market so far, from now i think is the LG can make it.

i also recently changed my living hall panasonic non-inverter 2hp to Mit. Ele. starmex inverter 2.5HP.
it's very save energy after 30min. you can see the meter will be tick tick very slow.

cause inverter unit from outdoor and indoor will be self adjusted temperature to suite comfortable air.
when in daytime can hear normal sound from fan blower, but at night time can't hear the noise from fan speed it is very slowly runing to compared 1hp still can hear the noisy from blower fan.

but for panasonic non-inverter 2hp, i think i cant stand to nearest condenser unit area, even in car porch you can feel the heat for maximum fan speed runing with noisy from compressor.

but for the hitachi is abit disappointed cause of noisy blower sound.
price not cheap at all RM1350 for 1hp.
mitsubishi electric inverter at RM1300 for 1hp.

but really stupid to bought hitachi malaysia made , malaysia tak boreh.
from service man they also said some batch is ok some batch is same like mine air swing motor also make noisy when up and down.

at the back yard.


infront car porch.

before.




This post has been edited by kimsim: Jan 23 2011, 04:59 PM

Hi
I opening this thread for us to discuss about an aircond (YES I know there a lot,but all discuss about how the aircond work and their reliability after they use it, this thread focus on how to buy a good aircond). I had go for a few web forum and hardly can see what aircond should be a good bargain for money(buying+maintaince+operating cost)

I had read all topic in lowyat.net and usually people will only discuss about PANA,York & Daikin

For January2011, I can said the No1 saving energy goes to Hitachi (my study only cover for 1HP and 1.5HP), but still even do it no1, but hardly people discuss about this brand...why yaa?? - any reason why? I had use Hitachi for the last 10 years (01-2011)..move house 3 time already...the aircond still cold and the best part, since I buy it, it work without fail for me..only call technician to topup gas and chemical wash(chemical wash once every 3 years, wash filter every month)

so continue with out discussion , below are result from my study, I had select few reliable brand, call few shop to get the best price and put it in excel and wanna share it with you



** The higher the EER - less money you spent to pay your electric bill
(please take note that all price exclude installation)

and if you need more detail before buying an aircond, you should check this document...it so detail yet simple to understand..

http://www.switch.org.my/publication/resea...eport+2-eng.pdf

Feel free to comment and share your opinion..hopefully it can help all aircond consumer from being cheated by shop dealer

Have fun searching good aircond for you and family

This post has been edited by netroais: Jan 23 2011, 08:07 PM

You should also specify how long you need to on the aircond before you could really save the electricity bills

Regarding this, I always question myself also..how long we need to use our inverter aircond to make it value for our money..from my reading in forum, some people said need to on the aircon more than 4 hours, some said, 10 hours..I'm not an aircon technician, and i'm not an electrical student...so my answers only base on my opinion

What the hack manufacturer wanna invent a new inverter aircond if the word "INVERTER" work after 4 or 10 hours..no point there wanna invest money develop R&D for this..

For me, the electric saving start when you switch ON your aircond..just when the aircond start, it will consume more power due to compressor + fan working hard to cool your room..when it reach to your desire temp, then compressor + fan will rest and electric power will be normal, the compressor will only work again if the temp increase by +1 till +3 depend on aircon model..all electric product also work this way(Oven,kettle,iron ...) due to this, please make sure that your aircon HP are equivalent to your room size, If the room bigger, exp : Suppose need to use 1.5HP but u install it with 1HP, so the aircon willl work hard and taking more time to reach the desire temp = more power use !!!

The word INVERTER come because of the new technology manufacturer invent on how one product wanna handle the power + new technology on the cip that make aircon use less Voltage or Watt to run...it not a gadget or tool that attach with the aircon and need to wait after 4 or 10 hours to operate..

make sense? it just my opinion if anyone out there have reliable answers..please share it with me and others we learn together

This post has been edited by netroais: Jan 23 2011, 08:58 PM

It is not about the inverter run after 4 hours or 8 hours.

The 4~8 hours is the cost you can recoup by using inverter as compared to the conventional.

Inverter can save 30~50% power, but it is significant expensive than conventional, a couple Rm200~300.
If you electric bill is low to start with, aka you use 1 hour per day only, it could take 5~10 years before you can save the Rm200~300 as compared using conventional.

Having said that, future electricity tariff is surely going up, while using less electricity is also part of effort to make the earth more green.

Conventional air-cond does switch off when reach the desired temp.
Conventional air-cond on and off with only one power rating, aka either stop of start at full power.
But inverter can adjust your motor speed based on the temperature feedback, instead on and off at full power each time, that's where the inverter saving come from.

good job, well done.

you forget to add in Mitsubishi electric starmex inverter model.
all aircon specification can download in www.coolserve.com.sg

power input watt from either one single split unit.
for inverter unit.
0.64kw x 8 hr x 30 = how many kw per month.

but inverter unit have part load is call half of power input from the temperature is reached and the compressor will be reduce to low speed for runing to maintained the cooling in same temperature.

non-inverter unit.
0.78kw x 8 hr x 30 = how many kw per months.

it's comparision of monthly usage.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Jan 23 2011, 09:59 PM

[quote=kimsim,Jan 23 2011, 04:46 PM]
the blue color part of thing is u bought urself one, or it comes with the aircon one?? how come my unit does not come with it????

[/quote]

nope it is come with hitachi ALL DC inverter unit.
i think it's nano virus filter.

cause when i bought is hitachi after used at 1 week i change over to mitsubishi electric for everyday sleep i hear the noisy for fancoil blower, end up i changed so now no more noisy again, mit ele. MSY-GE10VA & GE13VA model is the quietest 19dB in market so far, from now i think is the LG can make it.

i also recently changed my living hall panasonic non-inverter 2hp to Mit. Ele. starmex inverter 2.5HP.
it's very save energy after 30min. you can see the meter will be tick tick very slow.

cause inverter unit from outdoor and indoor will be self adjusted temperature to suite comfortable air.
when in daytime can hear normal sound from fan blower, but at night time can't hear the noise from fan speed it is very slowly runing to compared 1hp still can hear the noisy from blower fan.

but for panasonic non-inverter 2hp, i think i cant stand to nearest condenser unit area, even in car porch you can feel the heat for maximum fan speed runing with noisy from compressor.

but for the hitachi is abit disappointed cause of noisy blower sound.
price not cheap at all RM1350 for 1hp.
mitsubishi electric inverter at RM1300 for 1hp.

but really stupid to bought hitachi malaysia made , malaysia tak boreh.
from service man they also said some batch is ok some batch is same like mine air swing motor also make noisy when up and down.

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ic.... that's good, ya the starmex GE10VA i think it is the best inverter 1hp model so far, i got two in my house, one in my parents room and one in my bedroom. very quiet at nite even it is back to back installation, compressor directly outside the wall. very cold.

worth the money.......

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Added on January 23, 2011, 11:07 pm[quote=netroais,Jan 23 2011, 07:49 PM]
Hi
I opening this thread for us to discuss about an aircond (YES I know there a lot,but all discuss about how the aircond work and their reliability after they use it, this thread focus on how to buy a good aircond). I had go for a few web forum and hardly can see what aircond should be a good bargain for money(buying+maintaince+operating cost)

I had read all topic in lowyat.net and usually people will only discuss about PANA,York & Daikin

For January2011, I can said the No1 saving energy goes to Hitachi (my study only cover for 1HP and 1.5HP), but still even do it no1, but hardly people discuss about this brand...why yaa?? - any reason why? I had use Hitachi for the last 10 years (01-2011)..move house 3 time already...the aircond still cold and the best part, since I buy it, it work without fail for me..only call technician to topup gas and chemical wash(chemical wash once every 3 years, wash filter every month)

so continue with out discussion , below are result from my study, I had select few reliable brand, call few shop to get the best price and put it in excel and wanna share it with you



** The higher the EER - less money you spent to pay your electric bill
(please take note that all price exclude installation)

and if you need more detail before buying an aircond, you should check this document...it so detail yet simple to understand..

http://www.switch.org.my/publication/resea...eport+2-eng.pdf

Feel free to comment and share your opinion..hopefully it can help all aircond consumer from being cheated by shop dealer

Have fun searching good aircond for you and family

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u said to help choosing for good brand of aircon... how come all in ur list are those not so popular brand....

where are mitsubishi and daikin? i found that somemore malaysian are very reluctant to changes and are not so willing to accept new things.

mitsubishi and daikin are so good brand but seems like most malaysian will choose panasonic etc kind of brand....

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Added on January 23, 2011, 11:12 pm[quote=cherroy,Jan 23 2011, 08:55 PM]
It is not about the inverter run after 4 hours or 8 hours.

The 4~8 hours is the cost you can recoup by using inverter as compared to the conventional.

Inverter can save 30~50% power, but it is significant expensive than conventional, a couple Rm200~300.
If you electric bill is low to start with, aka you use 1 hour per day only, it could take 5~10 years before you can save the Rm200~300 as compared using conventional.

Having said that, future electricity tariff is surely going up, while using less electricity is also part of effort to make the earth more green.

Conventional air-cond does switch off when reach the desired temp.
Conventional air-cond on and off with only one power rating, aka either stop of start at full power.
But inverter can adjust your motor speed based on the temperature feedback, instead on and off at full power each time, that's where the inverter saving come from.

[/quote]

a lot of ppl try to save the initial rm200-300 for not buying inverter aircon, but i think it is not a rite move.. yes correct in future the electricity sure will increase, so by using inverter u definitely save more when time goes by...
and non-inverter is going to phase out soon also... not pt buying old technology while inverter will take over within short time...

and inverter reduce significant on the electricity bill, this is a good thing that u can enjoy aircon more freely. becos if u are using non-inverter aircon, u probably will hesitate or reduce significant on the usage of aircon which it defeats the purpose of buying aircon.

so there is no way one should buy non-inverter at all now if u are a smart consumer....

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Added on January 23, 2011, 11:24 pmthis particular line is excellent well-said!!! i salute!!!

http://www.switch.org.my/publication/resea...eport+2-eng.pdf



This post has been edited by westlife: Jan 23 2011, 11:24 PM

[quote=westlife,Jan 23 2011, 11:04 PM]

yap mitsubishi electric starmex inverter is the best.
but for air swing motor right hand side motor control white color pastic for 2 air vent up and down have to put some SINGER oil to make it smoothly runing,
cause for brand new aircond yes you can hear the noisy sound like very hard and dry to force from motor runing up and down.

i got 2 units is put Singer oil and make it better and smooth and make it noisy disappear.

how to put in Singer oil must be open up from screw and take out whole cover frame and screw out the air swing motor and try to turning the pastic control for 2 air vent pastic, is very hard to turn and put some Singer oil that's.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jan 23 2011, 11:45 PM

Inverter doesn't mean straight away saving electricity.
It depends how you use it, if you undersize the air-cond, setting the temp too low, room is an open space, you can have the same electricity consumption as same as the conventional one.

And also, take consider that some concealed piping issue, as inverter use different gas and different piping.
So conventional air-cond is not going to die off soon, and has still long time to go.

I don't agree inverter can take over so soon, especially with its price tag that is significant higher.
Do remember, whatever, price factor is very influential factor that affect consumer market, disregard what item.

We are talking about 20-30% price higher, not 2-3%, low usage definitely take years to recoup back based on current electricity tariff rate, which mathematical wise, not 100% sure will convince people to use, coupled with the piping issue as well.
Imagine, your office is a concealed piping one, and you are going to change an air-cond, you don't hack the wall so that you change the piping to accomodate for inverter installation, the situation will force people to buy the conventional one.

anyone can help me with this

Regarding Mitsubishi aircon
I get this from here - http://www.coolserve.com.sg/htmdocs/produc...ils.asp?id=2397

MSY-GE13VA
Category : Wall Mounted
Description : 1.5 hp Wall Mounted Unit
Is suitable for HDB : Yes
Capacity BTU/hr : 11942
Cooling Kw : 3.50
Airflow : 12.8m³/min
Running Current : 4.70A
Dimension : 798(W) X 232(D) X 295(H)mm
Weight : 10kg
Liquid Pipe Size : 6.35mm
Gas Pipe Size : 9.52mm

in here it mention the cooling kW = 3.50 < how to count this??

if I convert it to Watt it become 3500W and it gonna use a lot of power....

anyone can help me to find the right Watt for this model...wanna calculate the EER for this model..

I'm thinking to buy SHARP AHXP13LV(1.5HP) - INVERTER & PLASMACLUSTER ION AIR CONDITIONER price = Rm1700
anyone have any comment on this model?? hear that it silent and strong...

3.5kw x 3412 = 11942 BTU.
Mitsubishi electric is good brand and quietest at 19dB for GE13VA.
Price is around Rm1750.
With easy clean. You don't see the Btu is lower than Sharp.
But the coldest set to 25C until you can't sleep as well it is very cold.
Don't buy sharp brand, sharp was noisy at all for 1.5hp in quiet mode at 29dB if you can accepted.