nightsatan, he actually has a point u know. vista has always this back compatibility thingy which let u run older program on vista not only for windows XP programs but others like windows 98. so basically u can run windows 98 programs on vista with no problem(i have tested before). and if u need to run dos programs, there is always DosBox. compatibilty problem solve.

@linkinstreet
calm down man. there is no need to be so harsh on him.

This post has been edited by ham_revilo: Jul 26 2008, 04:17 AM

Hmm..
I can play Starcraft wor,RA2 old old games i can play.Dos Box also cannot?
Strange,i've used DosBox to install KKND in my Vista systems and it works .

My booting time is quite slow, but everything else seems fine. Even happier after removing the nagging permission thing.

vista rocks. low boot time and has dx10. Of course, low boot time may be due to the upgrading of my rig

using AMD sometime booting very slow....but when in windows it move fast like roket....lol

Low boot due to it caching everything during the start. That's why Microsoft advised ppl to hibernate instead of full shutting down.

obviously you havent see vista in action and doesnt really understand how it work...i never had problem gaming with vista wheather its old game or new game...of course you need good hardware to play it flawlessly in vista rather then a pieces of garbage pc that barely run xp...now now would you called yourself a gamers which you only have shitty spec pc and running on xp?open up your eyes gamers all have shifted to vista,with a powerfull system who want to still stuck using XP?
those who are still stuck on XP couldnt hardly called them a gamers,they are just kid and wannabe gamers..

Harsh words for criticism. Anyways, gaming on Windows Vista is great. 'IF' you know how to look at it.
You see, DirectX 10, only-on-Vista. That itself, is already a winner in many ways. Game developers pushing their game engines for realism take advantage of DirectX 10. And to experience it, you need... Vista.

As for those still on DirectX 9 gaming (in which, most of us are...), we prefer Windows XP. We gain frame-rates and gain time. You see, gaming on Windows XP is said to be 'smoother'. In some ways yes. But just think about it - - gamers that have the right hardware to get their gaming gears on choose Vista !

Gaming on Vista advantages, and no joke :
- DirectX 10 (Crysis, Hellgate London, Bioshock, Dragon Age, Alan Wake, etc.)
- native support for Xbox 360 controller (which is to my knowledge, is the best game controller for PC)
- support for the latest hardware (Vista-certified hardware)
- Games Explorer (buy Games For Windows titles, they support Vista 100%)
- Parental Controls (may not be useful for most, but for parents, it is a sigh of relief)

You see, Microsoft DID put some heavy thought on gaming on Vista. Its just US who choose to look at it in a negative way.

The core of all Vista issues is... your hardware. Don't blame Vista. Its all good....

Not all people are dumb enough switching to Vista just for games. Would you switch to Vista when you have some expensive old software just to play a game? There are some old software and hardware that might not be compatible with Vista and it would be costly upgrading them. There are also some hardware that is currently on sale is not compatible with 64-bit Vista and also a bit of security problems that is too much for advanced users.

Besides, there are still no games that is actually as good as the old ones. Current ones are just good in graphics and sound but lack in gameplay. However, this benefits new gamers well.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Aug 4 2008, 03:27 AM

Since you guys are arguing on the compatibility of old games on Vista, I'm having a problem with Titan Quest Immortal Throne. I couldn't start the game on ANY multiplayer modes, single player works fine. Couldn't find any patches or fixes that work so I gave up and uninstalled it and made some of my friends depressed. If any of you got this game to work on multiplayer mode please guide me to the appropriate fixes. Oh and don't assume I am using a pirated one because it's original and it works flawlessly on XP.

EDIT: aha my mistake... before I get flamed, the problem I'm facing is basically each time I try to start a game (goes for both hosting and joining), I get the error "Network Problems Detected" and returns to the multiplayer menu. Please rule out hardware problems because I'm not having any. Thanks in advance

This post has been edited by SySTeM_eRRoR: Aug 4 2008, 04:07 AM

Those are only games, so what? If you're talking about software like AutoCAD, MatLab etc etc which are used by industrial professionals, perfectly understandable. I've a pc in my college lab that still runs on Win95 because the PCB software only runs on Win95.

But "expensive old software just to play games"? C'mon, give me a break!

Installing Vista means getting new hardware. Are you forgetting that it's been a cycle ever since the early days of Windows 95? When XP came, if you were running a pc that was the recommended specs for Win 98, you would've experienced some sluggishness on XP. This usually was a RAM + proc upgrade. So don't come telling me that certain software/hardware isn't Vista compatible and it would be costly to upgrade.

Computers are a constantly evolutionary process. Don't forget that.

Most hardware nowadays are 64-bit compatible. It's only up to the manufacturer if they so wish to provide 64-bit drivers for their hardware. And they are very slick in forcing you to upgrade by not providing 64-bit drivers with their older hardware. It's as simple as terminating software support.



Wrong section mate. Try Tech Support or post in the Vista Helpdesk.

I've seen people with expensive software installed and they are just stuck with XP. It's no joke. Hardware is requirements already known even before the days of Windows.

My software and hardware issue has been tackled since I've refurbished my old comp and use it as a download rig. No more security and driver crap on Vista for my gaming rig.


Check your firewall settings.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Aug 4 2008, 11:22 AM

That statement is ridiculous. You want to play Pac-man, fine. I don't. I enjoy my DMC4 in DX10 very much, even better than console version!

And now i realized another thing, if you want to realized the true potential of your latest LCD widescreen like 22", better use VISTA coz XP just looks horrible on it.

Another benefit of VISTA, better security, with a decent enough firewall built in (thus i don't have to use a 3rd party one, which will again sucks more start up time), start up time is also much faster and unlike XP, it doesn't get more and more unbearable as you install more apps on it. VISTA seems to take less hit on startup time despite having numerous apps installed.

lol. Pac-man is really ancient. There are plenty of older games that is still better than current ones. It's just that the developers are running out of ideas.

Yes, that is true for business apps. No point for upgrading if your old software can't run on it. But this applies generally as Corporate will be the last sector to move foward in every generation of OS upgrade. It happens since DOS, WinX, WinXP and now. There's nothing wrong with that. But for home consumers, there's really no point in using old OS with all the latest and greatest hardware.

Security and driver crap on VISTA? You think XP is safer??

I suppose you don't do online banking with your PC? So you are going to switch to your download rig everytime you want to go banking online or someother online transaction?

And if you're downloading tons of warez with piraty keygens (usually 99% loaded with trojans) and you want to blame the OS?

It's like you call a prostitute and then dun wanna wear a condom, then you blame the prostitute for giving you AIDS...LOL. Just an analogy, no hard feelings.

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Added on August 4, 2008, 11:44 am
There are also many newer games better than the old one. Your point is moot.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 4 2008, 11:44 AM

Did I say XP is safer? It's not like every version of Windows is 100% safe anyway. Eventually hackers will crack it over and over again. This thing I'm having that is called download rig is for older programs and downloads using old hardware.

Online banking has nothing to do with downloads and piracy is the problem with the user.


Find me a good one. Unless you never played the games from the 90s

This post has been edited by TristanX: Aug 4 2008, 11:57 AM

and you're just plain stupid because you get 99% keygens loaded with trojans. bullshit statement I must say... looks like you didn't know how to use the Internet after all...

DMC4. Mass Effect.

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Added on August 4, 2008, 2:15 pm
That's just figure of speech, if you know what that means...



This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 4 2008, 02:15 PM

I already cleared DMC4 twice long ago on my PS3. I fell asleep while playing Mass Effect. Maybe I'm too old for games.

Sorry for not mentioning, firewall is OFF and it doesn't work even without any security software. If you perform a search regarding Vista and TQIT "Network problems detected" you'll understand that the game isn't supported in Vista.

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Added on August 4, 2008, 3:25 pm

Sorry for posting it here but my main intention wasn't actually to get help (although I would appreciate if anyone could) instead I wanted to share that there is indeed a game I have come across that is not very old and its not supported.

This post has been edited by SySTeM_eRRoR: Aug 4 2008, 03:25 PM