pss you can actually copy the whole image of linux (your distro choice) which include ur application and replicate on another harddisk...

Yeah which is why I said I respect personal preferences and needs, but sorry not unsubstantiated fanboyism/criticism.



Yeah I'm quite familiar with the LiveCD, tested a few distros myself. On the Windows platform, we have the LiveCD equivalent which is BartPE. BartPE is essentially a LiveCD with the option to integrate plugins, much like nLite. Both nLite and BartPE can be customized with addons and plugins respectively although BartPE is mainly used as a rescue media (explore connected harddisks in the event of a corrupt OS/restore images of OS etc), whereas nLite is used to customize your Windows XP i.e remove whatever components/services that you don't need.

nLite can also be used to create an automated Windows installation CD, yes fully automated in the sense that it installs everything that you specify/include from the selected addons from SCRATCH. You don't need to enter CD keys, select directories and so on so forth. A scenario to better illustrate my explanation : Insert the customized CD, go enjoy a movie for an hour or two, come back home and the computer is ready for use.

Both are freewares.



On the software issue, yes the method of searching and downloading is different, but nothing has changed in essence because you still need to search, download and install. Agree? I don't think this is a point to ponder on since both of us use imaging softwares.

Personally, I don't find the boot up speed to be an issue. I mean a difference of 1 or 2 minutes wouldn't kill would it? It's not like we're saving lives here. I find it a silly pet peeve. But yeah a speed junkie can use nLite to produce a bare Windows boots up in mere 20-30 secs. If that boot up time still isn't fast enough, one can use BootVis to further shave off another few redundant secs. Do you care about boot up speed that much?



Wah haha, are you serious? I wonder if our discussion here is a waste of space.

But anyway I found a lot of articles on the Linux VS Windows issue to be ridiculous because all of them conveniently discard facts in hopes of trying to make Linux look better. Why did you convert to Linux anyway sweemeng? I'm curious.

The only 2 things I like about Linux are the interface and the fact that its a free OS. I'm a cheap ******* haha.

@ Avex, yes I know Linux can be imaged. What are you trying to say?

Open Source have serve me well, for long time, have shape me. I learn programming by using gcc installed on windows, devc++ to be precised, then python etc. Get fond of unix later, when install cygwin on windows.

I am curious how a system work, how an operating system work, or how the utilities like the shell, compiler etc work. And I can study the source code. Some of the documentation is good, some have to study the source code. I learn a lot.

So it is among those two that drive me to open source in general. And linux as well.


This post has been edited by sweemeng: May 5 2008, 11:40 PM

here's one of the many features for you to ponder upon, the X windows system has many different types of desktop environment. I can go on and on and on, but no point keep on repeating it, it has been discussed all over the web.

This post has been edited by Avex: May 6 2008, 06:04 AM

at home, I don't use Linux-based operating system. Personally I prefer Windows desktops.

However, it doesn't mean I do not know anything about Linux, I am an avid user of Linux. At my office, I am running terminal, web and FTP servers using Ubuntu. Administration is fairly easy thanks to Ubuntu effort.

I guess some people really want Linux-based operating systems to be successful. I appreciate their efforts.

Cost and no limitation (unlike Windows Server variants) make me choose Linux-based operating system to run my server applications.

As is desktop, let me stick to my Vista.

hi all expertise there...i currently load ubuntu 8.04 new released one to my new system, can anyone tell me how to install the driver for my motherboard and how to run the cd setup for my other application...hehehe i am a newbie here....

thank you.

ok... there is an existing ubuntu thread. You can lookup at ubuntu forum as well.
Just tell which hardware not working properly and problems you encounter. Maybe we can help.

thank for your kind help...just wanna ask againt, ubuntu and linux different is it ?

Linux is just the brain a.k.a kernel of an operating system.
Ubuntu is a complete operating system that use a version of Linux kernel and tools made by various people.

generally motherboard work out of the box, so is build in sound card and network card, most of the built in hardware works.

Generally the only problematic hardware is Graphic Card, Wireless, Printer, scannner, probably Webcam. Graphic Card and Wireless Device, getting better, but not so in Printer and Scanner. Not quite sure about webcam. Creative sound card can sometime cause issue.

i bought a second hand laser printer thinking linux will work out of the box with laser printers coz it is meant for business and linux usually works out of the box with business stuff BUT it doesn't.....ARGH!

eh what it has to do with the picture of a girl...?

Maybe thats the pic he wanted to test print. Or maybe he might have other thoughts.

Compiz-fusion

To me Linux is only suitable for Server, for desktop i really consider Windows and Macintosh for my every job related and pleasure.

Sounds so difficult. I just use my LiveCD and I'm in

Question : When you first used a PC, did you install Windows and all the related drivers and apps yourself?

I can guarantee you the answer is NO. Someone did it for you, maybe your dad or a computer technician. You just used it, and learned slowly. If you say the learning curve was 1 week, you're lying. Nobody learns how to install and use an OS in a week the first time they use a PC.

Same way goes for Linux. Your first time through, you need someone to guide you. Doing it yourself will just leave you frustrated, unless you are ready for it. The Ubuntu-Girlfriend project was an OK experiment, but the guy should have installed everything for her first, like Amarok, Xine, Flash plugin, K3B, VLC and all that for her first.

There certain things you need to unlearn as well. For example, the apt packet manager is totally genius concept put into practice
http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/Syn...iew-55512.shtml.
Whereas in Windows you download and install stuff by web searching. To Linux users, this is our second option.

As a long time Linux user, i notice the numerous little differences in Windows, which is inconvenient to me. This is because Im so used to Linux, when i use Windows i notice it. For example, setting up the networking in Vista feels different to me, and i don't like it.

Anyway, please ask your Linux related questions here which you had problems, and i will try to help you. But I dont believe you have ever used Linux other than booting a live cd. Because your arguments wont never went pass booting a Live CD. Forgive me if im wrong.



What Windows can do, Linux does it better, at least to me. Music, Videos, browsing & torrents works perfect, if not better.

And what Linux can do, Windows cant. Ex : Compiz-fusion, cross compiler toolchain, SystemC, embedded Linux, ktorrent, NumPY, high uptime servers.

And what Windows can do, Linux cant : Virus and Games. Photoshop is great, but GIMP is good enough http://grimthing.com/archives/2007/01/11/Gimp_vs_Photoshop/. I hate the name GIMP though.

Just use it, don't ever compare between OS.
Once you start comparing, you will tend to look for pros and cons even when you're half cooked.
What I see is, people are comparing applications rather then OS itself.

has anyone used the linux that comes with Twinhead?
i dunno why it feels.....toylike to me

Agreed

installed linux mint daryna on my office's old pc, AMD duron 1.3Ghz, with 256 ram..2 slow 4 me..using d installed 98SE is faster..so does it mean linux not meant 4 old slow pc either?