interesting
have somebody here thought about communication skills?
tons of design students when asked to present their artwork they couldn't even speak.
poor marketing for their artwork i'd say.
i might be wrong as i have not really step into the career of design industry.
sometimes as a designer it depends how we convince the employer well of course with your presentation
great artwork doesn't mean they'll accept it
like what some of us here said,the employer doesn't even know anything about design
so how are they suppose to understand the arts?
all in all,before blaming the employers why not 1st think about the designers current problem.
poor marketing skills.

just my 2cent =D
hope i'm not flamebait here

no, you have point.
it is true, not much designer can sell their design thought communication skill.

most of the client have no ideas what is design?
it is depend on designer to sell them.

IMHO,design afterall is a part of marketing world
and yet i still see people thought of design is a pure art base where they lock themselves up and do their work and need less communications.
and i agree that drama/tv shows does play a big effect in design industry
most people thought of design is an easy job and get all popular and glamourous in an instant.
Hence,tons of SPM/STPM graduates head to design/art school having 0 knowledge about what they're gonna do.
that's what i see

lot of my friends ask me, they want to be designer, it is ok?

well, no offense here.
i always reply : are you creative enough to survive in this field?
designer is not just sit and draw, it is more than that.

i been there before, waste my energy.... client is always right even they are wrong.

a great art work doesnt need explanation, one look,u know what it mean. done.

no means to offend you
let's say you take some anon and bring them over to "monalisa"
ask him/her to describe it and understand it
assume that he/she know nothing about arts
can they really understand it?
IMO,i don't think so what they know is it's painting done by da vinci
correct me if i'm wrong
great artwork does need alot of marketing to sell it out
for someone who doesn't know arts,they cant see the selling point of your artwork

not even karim rashid or philippe starck will say that.
even a mutli billion project, it still need explanation/presentation in a proper way/system.


take it this way:

a good food doesnt need menu or name, one look, u know it is great taste. (will you buy this theory?)
(i put it this simple example way at least it is easy for us to understand)

hehe good thinking, i agree with u

there u go.
the main flaw in whats making the design industry here stagnant.


sorry. i don't mean to flame.
but local designers definitely need to have their mindset changed.
and i believe it all started from the silly design schools we have. true that some of them are truly credible, and i've met many amazing ones.
but sadly, i know for a fact that they're taught to be "marketable" "employable" "agreeable". that's NOT what design is about.

i think u guys misunderstand what i mean, lets not talk about food i am getting hunrgy lolx

anyways, there are very few multibillion dollar goes in a campaign, yes u need to explain to the higher above... but first thing first, are ur salary up to ur satisfaction, are ur artwork worth the trouble u leading a team to complete the task? Sure designer need a basic marketing principle, and input it into his/her artwork. That's enough for a selling point.

If u go to the outside world, sure as i mention before some people understand art, some don't and most client think they know art even they do not, they taught the designer his/her idea which make it worse, no matter how hard u try. I mean sure, u can argue them or whatever u going to say in a polite way, it may work or does not, either way ur payment going to be delay, some more u have to explain to ur boss it is going to be delay, delay doesnt mean u got only 1 project to focus, as week goes by.. workload willl pile up, can u really tell me the truth u can handle that. In msia, everything need to be fast fast, money come first, not art.

If ur say money isnt the problem, art is art, money is money, then i can bet u wont survive in the real world. As i previous post mention, most fresh designer come out do not have the qualification to become a real designer, here's a hint... my ex-boss told me most designer i interview do not have the qualification to be a real designer, he mostly hire china designer, design nice nice, low pay.

In our generation, many msia youngster have live a life of luxury, most of us pays by our parent. Why do we have to suffer, our parent can cover everything, of course.. they are some unfortunate designer who doesn't support by parent, trying to make a living. Some of them quit the design industry and do something else, like selling product as a side income plus freelancing as ur main objective, u can earn much more without going full time. The designer salary are completely shit, I can tell u that from all my talented designer friend, u can find one here in LYN a topic create by Reuber, his friend done amazing art work but get low pay, he should deserve more than that.

If u deal with western people, they will only say one word, yes or no just by looking ur artwork. It is very direct, there is no feedback or anything, if the client dont like it, u must do it from ground zero. This is what i mean by one look, good, done. Of course u needs to explain a few min of ur time. Just like the famous quote "A picture is worth a thousand words" if we animate it, it is worth a millions of story.

This post has been edited by Plant: Mar 26 2008, 01:00 AM

thats what i do before enter design college.. i thought design is a very easy thing, just draw and design then can live a good life (influence by drama/tv like u mention).. now im almost graduate in Interior Design major and im telling you, design is freakin' hard.. don't do design if u don't have any dedication in it or ur life will be suffer and end of the day, u just do char koew tiaw.. no point.. many of my classmate just quit and study bussiness instead, waste their time and money only..

oh, come on bro,
take it easy.

time will break boarder wall of your path.
dun give up.
at least you telling everyone the truth..
nothing was easy on life.

Hi....where you study?
Since I was a newbie in design industry....first year student...

BTW,I was like to design almost everything in my life.....from sketches,3d modelling,painting & other medium.....its was a real reason I want to take the challenge......

but this thread make me a lil' bit "dead for a while.....

not everyone fall on same fate.
but you have to set of your road at early stage of it.
graphic or interior?

I take Industrial design since when I was in school...I always draw a car,by sketching it,modelled it in 3D,doing some research with whole conception(If you want to have look,just find Art Attack thread.....but without clear pics since my scanner sucks...)

So.....my parents & teacher really encouraged me to going into Industrial design...(Since I was weak in my math....eventough I know if I can re-take my parents position somedays if there two was retire from the job,I guess I might be get alot of $$ like them....)

So,with my brothers is set-up to retake my parents position as boss somedays....my parents has has heavily recommeded me to get into designation industry.....

So,I used to sell abit of my work,including some of conception,3d models & sketching.......so I just thinking is it worth to going for this industry.....

Oh yes....since my hobby are collecting a model/diecast/scale modelling.....so my parents said to me if I was in tough situation,he just recommend me to open a toy/scale modelling shop/kit builder as my jobs .....hehhehehe

lucky you for hav a surportive parent.

hopefully you are like into weapon hobby, if not they are recommend you open the gun store pulak.

ok. back to serious here.
well you like to design and model it, seem you hav truely passion on it.
then you should go on with your dream.
no one can tell future what ahead.
anywhere who teach you 3d first of all?
industrial design is not what about design only, it is also need math too.
to do all the calculation that fit/fix from your design into other medium.
it need CAD more than DCC in fact.

dun worry and dun get wrong.
everything i tell u is base on fact. just wanna let u know that sometime what we like and want may end up
different story if we got no ideas what is really happening behind.
you may see lot of nice concept vehicle design but behind it every vehicle may took few years to built.
this few years everyone hav do lot of research and refine.
not just we sit around every day draw dozen of it. it may even among hundred of sketch only end up one selection and
start to work on it. from engine to body finishing.

dun mix up hobby and career.
cheer up, buddy.

Well......the 3D stuff I learned it all by myself,due to the facts I was like to doing mods in games(mostly SLR:R,RFactor & NFS series)& for personal satisfaction of looking to my 3d model alone....

Haiiihhh......so hard loo...I think maybe I will just like 3-4 years back even if I was finish my study......All of this will become part time job or just a hoby like now lerr...(Which I hope it will generate me some profits that more higher than now even the chances are slim now...)

it is ok,
most of ppl will get excited when see concept vehicle but they seldom know the truth of it.

well, at least you got talent at 3d modelings.
have you think about enter game industry?
maybe as 3d modeler? or game designer?
i guess it is very good industry and it doesnt need math much.
game industry is earning billion annually.

well it's good that you have some basic to begin with
but mostly 1st year they'll teach you more general stuff.
give yourself some hope,design is always hard to begin with
it's unlike SPM where you learn everything by reading.
just like what cymon said.
you could go for gaming industry
do some research before getting into any major
gonna helps you alot

i've been a designer for 2 years with my current comp. and still earning a measly 1.7k only