Why so many ppl no matter noobs or a pro.. all like to create or join AR games?

Just login into BS or go to any cybercafe, almost all are AR games, sometimes hardly got see any ppl create AP games.

For me i will always play AP, thats why in WCG competition you will always see AP games instead of AR games.

In AP games, ppl can choose their best and most familiar heros to fight which results in a more interesting game.

Once you lose, you will not have any accuse saying that 'Cheh... i got noob hero only'

AR games oso a bit unbalance bcos let say sentinel all randomed good fighters like FV, troll, PA, AM, Sven and Scourage only random support heros like Chen, Omniknight, Keeper Of Light etc etc.. Pls judge urself izit a balanced game???

This post has been edited by XfX: Dec 18 2007, 05:58 PM

isn't there is a comman -mm ? mirrow mode .... both side will have the same hero.

u say onli noobs play ar? lol...farney....ar game is more fun..all on luck...playing againts overwelming hero sometimes...trying out new things...just that ur perspective on the game is different so dont say ar is for noobs or noobs play ar

You can't simply say that AR is for noob but when you think this way, when people play AR, that PROBABLY means that can play almost any heroes.

Then why all WCG games are AP?

u playing dota for fun or tournament?
AR = for fun
AP = tournament, its more fair

I totally disagree AR for noobs only. Hv u seen godlike visage?

lol i wonder why is there such a thread.. so TS ur conclusion is all to play ap is it ? do u notice tat ap also haf a draw back ? wat if ur opponent all play combo type team how are u gona play the game? for instance i played a game with tis team where 5 of them are friends.. their combo was like freaking crazy.. the moment u get nuke and that's it.. BYE esply when they haf pudge in it..

WCG plays ap doesnt mean it's a standard for every1 does it? i agree with other replies.. playin ar is juz for noobs ? haarrloo??? are u ok ? have u seen pugna killing starting from lvl 3 until the end game? tis happens in an ar game... so wat can u say bout tat ?

ar is meant for u to try and experienced with all types of hero.. in order words, test your skills in farming and also pawning the opponent.. let's juz say u used to play ap.. the oni good hero u know is oni tat PARTICULAR hero.. so? makes u a pro? wat happens when u use other hero? noob?

so u r trying to say u play dota for the sake of killing ppl with oni TAT PARTICULAR HERO and not with any other hero is it? like tat i dun see how pro can u be then.. since maybe u oni know how to farm with range.. but not meele hero.. how u qualify as a WCG player then ?

juz my 2 cents

so -ap is for nuts becoz they can only play their choosen hero?

AR.

Espeically in PuG games, you dont want to face a semua-kawan team on the other side with an AP edge.

I'm saying this cause I'm always playing alone. Not to mention when your team members might be potential feeders. lol

ar mode really challenging.....luck also counted in AR......but kinda hard for me as i am not pro yet....

AR have chance your opponent get hero he dunno how to use...

Haha, I noe wat TS trying to explain here. In AP, not most of the time you must choose ur best hero, u can either -Random or pick other heros to use la. Remember in AP for those who likes to use random, there always a -random command n you r given credit for not losing money if u random.

One thing i dun agree with Mushy is that he mentioned if in AP, all ur opponents choose combo nukes heros like Zeus, Lina, Cystal Maiden, Tinker types heros, i noe their combo is freaking crazy but this does not mean the team is 100% winner.. All these heroes are just early game heroes. If late game heroes like FV, PA, Bone can survive through the early stages, they will win in late game.

Remember, one thing good about dota is that it is a balanced game and Icefrog keeps creating new versions to balanced-up the heroes and the game. All heroes have their pros and cons.

Conclusion: In terms of benefits between AP and AR, i personally think that AP has a more benefits over AR in game playing, heroes trainning, new item experiments and so on since you can choose the hero to play till you master it everytime you play AP. What's ur opinion guys?

TS please understand, AP and AR serves a very different gameplay.

AP is for you to choose the hero you will like to play or maybe in teamgame will choose those Combo heroes to use combos.

AR is for fun games and depend on luck and skill which also furthermore lets you play other heroes rather than the heroes you always use, whether balance or not it will depend on how players play the game, this will also test your teamwork and game situation using random heroes. If Scourge side got Chen, Omniknight, Keeper Of Light, Furion and maybe Dazzle ? i would say an early push will be an advantage if opponent like FV, PA, AM, Sven and etc. Therefore AR, is depend on gameplay and situation and not necessary unbalance.

If i were in scourge with the heroes u say. i would have go for a lvl 5 push in either 1 or 2 lane push to pressure sentinel. Chen, Omniknight, KOTL, furion and Dazzle. ( 3 healers, 1 GA, 3 pushers, 3 creep assist, 3 AOE ).

well i do agree tat if u get to survive through u can own them in the end... but the chances are really slim since said edi.. it's COMBO TEAM... unless the COMBO team makes mistakes and drag the game too long then i hafta nthz to say...

it would be totally impossible with early game heros + GOOD TEAMWORK.. yes tis is wat i emphasize on.. i played with a team of frens tat choose great combo nukes and hell.. they really haf good teamwork.. every nukes comes juz at the right time.. example.. stun 2 sec... then slow... then stun or other nukes... the nukes juz keep coming LOL

well juz my 2 cents

AP for serious game
Ar for non-serious game

Mushy, i noe combo nukes heroes very geng early game n you mentioned the importance of good teamwork. If the FV, AM, PA team know how to manage the nuke heroes well, then they will own late game. Dota is all about unit handling, unit controlling, unit understanding and wat items synergizes the heroes and so on.

I have see pro play the old version naix survive 4 nukes heroes and when late games come, he own like mad... juz like every 5-7 secs kill 1 hero.. but of course, the team got 2 lanes of rax destroyed earlier on, but the naix team still win in the end.lol!

This post has been edited by siren: Dec 19 2007, 02:13 PM

I definitely support AP game, coz i can use whatever hero i like and can master it very well. I don't agree that play random can master all the DOTA heroes, please take note: 8x12-3-4 =89 heroes. But, we cannot argue ar or ap is for noob player, coz those are the same players. I just can say ap have more option and advantages where you can -random mode in ap game, but don't blame once your team is lose. That is noob attitude. So i understand host concern why he opened this thread because he encounter many noob attitude player (blaming when lose in ap game -random mode or lose in ar mode).

Many also say ar game is for fun, coz the game not so tension (no combo hero, bla bla). But please don't forget that there is a possibility of gathering for combo heroes at one site in ar mode. Then what you do? Quit game? That is 1 more noob attitude that always happens in DOTA.

So, what you learn in ar mode? Luck? If because of luck, then better go gamble. For me, fun will appear if every player has tried their best in the game. Then, improvement (strategies, teamwork, skill, and etc) will appear.

Conclusion is ap have more advantages compare ar mode.

-ar for pro+luck/fun game
-ap for Noob/tournament

using the same hero over and over again don't u think is boring ?, cheers

You everday also eat, shit and sleep. It's boring? : Just joking!

Dont you mean tournament player = noob player?

It's Ap game will repeating using the same hero over thousand of years? As i mention just now, ap game is to master the hero that you pick. No regreat, more satisfaction. Once you master it or bored on it where you always godlike, you can switch to another target hero. That is over time course.

For example, once you bored with your girl friends, you can change to another girl which you prefer. All very flexible. Not as passive as you mention... BORING!! Use your hands to change it, dont wait the sky drop, dont wait for LUCK. Dont wait until you get a sotong and blame it.

Maybe you like SOTONG

the difference is there are different type of foods and preferences, same as hero has int, agi and str, you lack in english or what ?



i said noob or used for tournament only, u are lousy in understanding english



for me people who pick the hero is the hero that they are strong, not for training if train people used ar to train the hero they are not familiar with, in that way they can learn faster



from your post look like a person that had never have a gf b4 lol, cheers

This post has been edited by nickisthemost: Dec 19 2007, 05:15 PM