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post Jan 20 2008, 10:31 PM


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Rictan,

I am facing serious problem with ur VPN http surfing. Totally sucks these few days. have to refresh many times for certain website.

I guess its time for you to make your VPN connect via SOCKS and not controlling our WHOLE outgoing traffic using 1 server.
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post Jan 21 2008, 01:12 AM


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avenger,

Socks server are in our list which will roll out next month. So far, we have no receive any complain from other customer of their HTTP surfing. Some TMNet's customer complain that their international route are very unstable so you might be affected by TMNet as well.

If you have any problem, please drop us a email at support[at]secureax.com

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post Jan 21 2008, 01:36 AM


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QUOTE(avenger @ Jan 20 2008, 10:31 PM)
Rictan,

I am facing serious problem with ur VPN http surfing. Totally sucks these few days. have to refresh many times for certain website.

I guess its time for you to make your VPN connect via SOCKS and not controlling our WHOLE outgoing traffic using 1 server.
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Hello,
Please take note that we are not trying to control your connection with the full routing. There are pros and cons of Full routing & Socks proxy, as outlined in our Customer Guide. Not all clients prefer Socks, and neither all favour only Full routing. Since we started our business, we have been providing Full Routing VPN. This is something that all our customers understand prior to making their choice to subscribe to our service.

We have 3 servers at this moment: 2 in US (different location) and 1 in Germany. We hope you can understand from our perspective that not everything relating network is within our control. If you have tried your luck on all the 3 servers and you're still facing terrible speed when surfing the internet, I believe it is quite clear that the fault has very very high chance to be with your ISP, which I believe is TMNet. If that is the case, it would be really unfair to put your flames on us instead of your ISP.

Another thing I hope you to understand is that our servers' network usage graphs are available in Customer's Area. We try to be transparent here and you can see that our servers are lowly utilised at the present stage.

As for Socks, if my memory serves me right, there has not been any requests from existing customers so far for it to be implemented. We have our feedback desk open for service suggestion but I am quite disappointed when the feature wasn't requested before and the first thing I see is an open flaming on us for not using Socks.

Anyway, I have actually included Socks development in our plans for next month, which I believe should be handy to you. Do keep an eye on your email for the Announcement Email when it's ready.

Thank you.


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post Jan 21 2008, 01:52 AM


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QUOTE(michaelfoo @ Jan 21 2008, 01:36 AM)
Hello,
Please take note that we are not trying to control your connection with the full routing. There are pros and cons of Full routing & Socks proxy, as outlined in our Customer Guide. Not all clients prefer Socks, and neither all favour only Full routing. Since we started our business, we have been providing Full Routing VPN. This is something that all our customers understand prior to making their choice to subscribe to our service.

We have 3 servers at this moment: 2 in US (different location) and 1 in Germany. We hope you can understand from our perspective that not everything relating network is within our control. If you have tried your luck on all the 3 servers and you're still facing terrible speed when surfing the internet, I believe it is quite clear that the fault has very very high chance to be with your ISP, which I believe is TMNet. If that is the case, it would be really unfair to put your flames on us instead of your ISP.

Another thing I hope you to understand is that our servers' network usage graphs are available in Customer's Area. We try to be transparent here and you can see that our servers are lowly utilised at the present stage.

As for Socks, if my memory serves me right, there has not been any requests from existing customers so far for it to be implemented. We have our feedback desk open for service suggestion but I am quite disappointed when the feature wasn't requested before and the first thing I see is an open flaming on us for not using Socks.

Anyway, I have actually included Socks development in our plans for next month, which I believe should be handy to you. Do keep an eye on your email for the Announcement Email when it's ready.

Thank you.
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did i complain about u not implementing SOCKS proxy? I just said it's time to implement it, coz it enables us to use normal tmnet connection for http surfing and socks for other purpose, just like BolehVPN. if you cannot implement it, then i will just disconnect my secureax when i want to surfing after faster speed, no big deal.
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post Jan 21 2008, 03:17 AM


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QUOTE(avenger @ Jan 21 2008, 01:52 AM)
did i complain about u not implementing SOCKS proxy? I just said it's time to implement it, coz it enables us to use normal tmnet connection for http surfing and socks for other purpose, just like BolehVPN. if you cannot implement it, then i will just disconnect my secureax when i want to surfing after faster speed, no big deal.
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Unlike BolehVPN, SecureAX believes in platform stability, therefore SecureAX cannot and will not just roll out an untested implementation just because customers request for it. All services must go through very strict quality control and production testing before ultimately being delivered to subsribers. Therefore, your patience will be very much appreciated as SecureAX is just a company which has just entered this market.
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post Jan 21 2008, 03:49 AM


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QUOTE(avenger @ Jan 21 2008, 01:52 AM)
did i complain about u not implementing SOCKS proxy? I just said it's time to implement it, coz it enables us to use normal tmnet connection for http surfing and socks for other purpose, just like BolehVPN. if you cannot implement it, then i will just disconnect my secureax when i want to surfing after faster speed, no big deal.
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Hello,
If you are a customer of SecureAX/dotVPN, you should gain access to our Premium Area. I have already posted something on Socks here:
http://www.dotvpn.com/showthread.php?t=100

In fact, there was a discussion on Socks vs Full Routing in the forum here, opened by me but unfortunately no participation from paid customers:
http://www.dotvpn.com/showthread.php?t=38

We always have development plans on the VPN service.

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post Jan 23 2008, 10:24 AM


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bump for the day.

So far I do not see any impact on connection speed in all of our premium servers as most of the provider here uses cogent as their network carrier which we do not.
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post Jan 23 2008, 01:20 PM


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QUOTE(sennheiser @ Jan 21 2008, 03:17 AM)
Unlike BolehVPN, SecureAX believes in platform stability, therefore SecureAX cannot and will not just roll out an untested implementation just because customers request for it. All services must go through very strict quality control and production testing before ultimately being delivered to subsribers. Therefore, your patience will be very much appreciated as SecureAX is just a company which has just entered this market.
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I appreciate it if you leave us out of your comments especially since it implies that we do not put stability as a forefront. I don't mind the snipes at the OpenVPN gui, our key generation system or the virtues of your service, that's just part of marketing and I do understand that. But there is no need to start getting personal.

First of all we are also not fly by night service as we are one of the longest established VPNs here with a substantial customer base. Our brand and service is well established here. I know you weren't referring to us when you were mentioning this, but to talk about OpenVPN and conmen in a single breath does draw a negative inference even if unintended so I just wanted to make it absolutely clear.

Nowadays when we do roll out our implementations, it's at no extra cost to our users as in our experience, our own tests were not sufficient. There is no easy way to replicate the thousands and thousands of connections and the fluctuating needs of 100s of users on our service for an extended period of time.

So what we do when rolling out a new implementation or service:

1) Perform initial private testing
2) Release it to a few regular subscribers for them to test and perform the necessary tweaks
3) Open the service FOR FREE for our existing subscribers for them to test while they continue to enjoy their regular service.
4) Open the service for all our subscribers at no extra cost (except for seed-box)

I understand you guys might have a different approach to testing and marketing but I would prefer if you not level your comments squarely at our business and especially not in a public forum such as this.

Just for the record, the vast bulk of our servers aren't on CogentCo as our host has switched their mix a long long time ago offering a superb mix of providers. Only our low population servers which are more for backup and diversity are on the Cogentco link.

I have respect for your development plans and your commitment to stability. I hope you show me the same due courtesy. I am unsure of your relationship or position in SecureAX or if you are just a faithful customer, but I hope this sets things straight and such unwarranted negative mentions be avoided in the future.

That is after all part of being professional and I hope this issue ends here.

Thank you very much.

Regards,
Reuben

PS I do confirm TM having some issues which has affected certain IP ranges. This does not seem to be backbone specific but just general crappiness to international sites.

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post Jan 23 2008, 04:06 PM


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Hi Reuben,
Thanks for your long post and clarification here. Unfortunately, sennheiser does not work for SecureAX (at this moment only rictan and I are the ones working for SecureAX) and neither can I identify whether he is our customer unless I am given his customer username with us. There is also a possibility that he is a customer who is fed up with his previous VPN provider and thus posting his comments here in the forum (that's what we do in forum, share and exchange opinions sweat.gif ), we don't know. Anyway, please do allow me to apology on behalf of him.

Once again, thank you very much for sharing the insight stories and development of BolehVPN, as the largest provider in LYN. Thanks for the generosity and I believe it is very useful to keep healthy VPN competition in LYN intact. If you don't mind, could you please give me input with some of the queries that I had in my mind long time ago:

1. You have a fantastic number of clients -- 750 and you put them on 9 servers: that means around 83 customers per server. Considering the servers are on 100Mbit ports, wouldn't it give your clients 1.2Mbps maximum instead of the limit of 2Mbps as advertised, by considering the worst case scenario when all 750 of them are connected and downloading stuff?

2. Are your clients understanding enough to not complain about your services quality during TMNet's "maintenance"? When dealing with networking and stuff, I believe nothing is worse than given the pressure for something that is out of your control (for this instance TMNet's fault)


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1)BolehVPN's Philosophy: Evaluate Real World Performance constantly, Add a good bit of extra leeway and Adapt Quickly

The key is to make sure everyone can achieve maximum speed when they do download. This does not mean that everyone needs 1 to 1 bandwidth for the reasons posted below.

a) We frequently run speed tests while the VPN server is running just to evaluate how much spare bandwidth there is and adjust the user numbers accordingly. It's our sincere belief that we are already being conservative in our bandwidth allocation based on the usage statistics we have gathered since March.

b) Once we hit around 70% bandwidth utilization during a peak period (not average mind you), we start looking for a new server and bring it up shortly. Our rule of thumb is that our VPN service can still function with a server or two down.

c) Furthermore, we have quite a few long term 512 k users so they are only taking 1/4 of the speed therefore the calculation you made is not entirely accurate.

d) In our experience, only a fraction of these people connect to us at one time. Perhaps something like 60%-70% of the users are active at any one time and they take up around 50-60% of available bandwidth (not all connected users are downloading at max speed). Not everyone, keeps their torrents running 24/7 though we have factored in these usage patterns as well in our calculations.

Furthermore, many of them use public trackers with not ideal seeds so they do not always max out the connection provided to them. Even those using private trackers, do not download 24/7 as they need to maintain their ratios and seed back. Therefore a situation where EVERYONE is downloading at full blast 24/7 is not a realistic situation. We are already well prepared with sudden peaks of usage and as I mentioned before that if it even goes past 70% at any one time, we'll start looking for a new server.

It's kinda the same situation with a bank that does not keep all their deposits in 100% cash as it is not a realistic situation that everyone will withdraw their money. We're in a better position in that we can quickly add servers to meet the need unlike a bank which will just run out of funds to give out and crash (unless the gov or central bank bails them out).

e) Our server status shows that we're around 60% bandwidth utilized and this has been the case after being in operation for a good many months. In view that we can adapt quite quickly (we have brought up servers in less than a day) in cases of emergencies, we do not see the point in incurring additional cost so that these savings are passed on to customers.

2) Customer Headaches

This is by far the biggest headache we face when Streamyx goes to hell and we deal with this by our e-mail announcements to those who are signed up for our forums and the remaining queries are either pointed to the announcement or dealt with our other regular users who frequent our forums.

Most of our customers are long term ones so most of them already know how to troubleshoot their problems before coming to us. It is those who are new that have some difficulties understanding expecting VPN to be a miracle cure all solution.

Thanks

Thank you for your explanation and I appreciate the clarification. I was a bit perplexed at first since I saw that sennheiser was also from Manchester, UK so I thought he was affiliated to you guys.

Anyway don't want to hijack your thread any further and I think I have said enough so if you have any further queries, please pm me. I also believe in healthy competition, keeps us on our toes. biggrin.gif

Thanks and have a good day.

Come drop by our game server if you play!

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post Jan 23 2008, 09:20 PM


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Hi,
Thanks for the long and detailed answers to my questions. I appreciate your time to write the post thumbup.gif

You are right on the 512kbps connection. I've almost forgotten that the majority of Streamyx users use 512kbps connection, unlike here 8Mbps is common and there is also a handful of users who use 20Mbps cable line here.

Thanks for the invitation but I don't think the latency from here to MY gameserver can let me survive in the game, lol. I will certainly check out your gameserver when I get back to Malaysia in future.

Thanks!


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Great work guys. I love this free vpn stuff. I will apply asap
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post Jan 24 2008, 10:57 PM


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Hi,
Thanks and I'm glad that you find our Free VPN useful to you.

Anyway, just a small request. Please do not spam the forum to increase your post count as doing so you cannot cheat our system to get the free VPN.

Thanks.
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post Jan 29 2008, 03:23 AM


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Hi Everyone,
What would you like to see in our coming SecureAX VPN Client release? Feel free to let us know and we welcome feature requests from Free VPN users as well smile.gif
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post Feb 1 2008, 12:46 AM


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Hi Lowyatian,
Our 100GB Free Bandwidth promotion has just ended smile.gif

We have another promotion coming soon for all existing customers. It is still not too late to be our customer now smile.gif Get your VPN from us today! wink.gif

Thank you everyone for your support!
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post Feb 5 2008, 09:54 PM


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SecureAX VPN Client Version 0.1.1.18 coming soon, which involves core engine important fixes. Once this is ready, we will announce to all our users. Please make sure your email address registered with us is active!
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post Feb 10 2008, 03:05 PM


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Any news on the availability of HK or SG servers? If my VPN server is nearby latency-wise, I'd be very interested.
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Hi,
I'm afraid not anytime soon because bandwidth in Asia is expensive. Only US and Europe network providers offer mass bandwidth at a reasonable rate.

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QUOTE(michaelfoo @ Feb 10 2008, 03:41 PM)
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I'm afraid not anytime soon because bandwidth in Asia is expensive. Only US and Europe network providers offer mass bandwidth at a reasonable rate.

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post Feb 13 2008, 07:27 PM