.. thinking to get a water heater for my parent..
not so sure which is the best brand for it... as my house water pressure is quite low..
and my bath room's water supply is actually direct from the tank..not direct water..
any suggestion?

PANASONIC, got 1 model inside hav a function can BUM the water up even ur hse water pressure is LOW!
ask the saleman with this function.

the choice you make is important
some water heaters, even at low settings the heat is TOO HOT

i think the best brand is alpha, cossy but the quality is assured

http://www.alpha-electric.com/

This post has been edited by eddychstu: Aug 30 2007, 04:15 PM

i use presscot..

Dunno the name... take that one with british logo.

yes.... planning to get a panasonic slim with built-in pump... but some people telling me that these kind of water heater will break down easily... hmm... so unreliable?

This post has been edited by synex: Aug 30 2007, 04:22 PM

alpha is very durable, i'm thinking to change my problematic phillips to the alpha v series.

ic...checking on the web site now... the design also not bad...

Don't be too trusting with some brands on the market that has a country flag on it or some sales talk its Made in some EU country.. fact is..perhaps the heater element or thermostat is made in some reputable country. The rest of the parts are likely local manufacture and questionable quality. I've heard of many owners who make a warranty claim when it goes defective, and the dealer or agent Ah chee Ah Chaw with them and gives the impression of being uncooperative. When selling to you, they promise you heaven, earth, sun, moon & stars all in a neat package..SALES TALK only! Its sometimes I despise local business strategies and promises..typical 4th world practice!

Stick to a well established brand like National Panasonic and no doubt it may not be the best or cheapest prices but I'm confident its well backed up and a well designed product..just like their rice cooker.. Who's really complaining of their rice cookers for past 4 decades..hardly anyone!

Ok..I'm not pimping for National or have anything to do with them..neither are they bribing me to say anything. I'm just another satisfied customer with 3 units in the house..used to the point of abuse!.

Pssst.. my recent visit to a authorised National dealer at SS2 PJ to buy a table lamp bulb revealed their discounted prices anytime better than supermarket prices.. go check it out!.. Its along the main SS2/PJ road.

eddychstu: Me still using the Oly camera you sold to me... still going strong!..
The National heater model with pump has recently been upgraded to less noisy and durable type..so that dealer tells me.. afterall got warranty mah!. I'll certainly change mine in due course..but don't know when it'll kaput!..already 8 years old..(without pump of course..old model!)

This post has been edited by bsl555: Aug 30 2007, 04:42 PM

when comes to something you use daily, better go for durability over design, just 2cents

[OT] should atleast show some photos capture with the cam lar if not mistaken the cam is almost 4 years old edi, another durable product from oly

Cap ayam & itik. Hope not get electrocuted.

i got 2 national rice cooker from mid-80's, just that the cover hilang d.
still working hard. but malu a bit cos quite beat up

Panasonic rules!

Can still buy the replacement cover from National Panasonic service center or order through Kedai National..as long as same diameter, it'll work well.. Rice cooker hasn't changed much other than its appearance.

Whatever it is.. ensure one's water pressure is strong. The weaker the pressure is, your shower will be somewhat hotter but you must cleverly control the thermostat to get comfortable temp.
One more thing.. I think National packs the best looking or most durable shower head assembly compared to competitors..based on what I've seen.. worth the money you pay!..

I strongly believe in quite a few household products from National..of course NOT A FAN of all of them..but water heater, fridge, washing machine, blender, clothes iron, maybe a few other gadgets I trust always!..
Its like for TV..I go for only SONY, Water heater = National, Car = BMW..

Eddy: OT: mostly take pics of objects and occasional indoor shoots...sorry..nothing great to show..that's why I didn't need a fancy up-to-date camera's that people are so crazy about.. 3.2mpixs..good enough for me..

This post has been edited by bsl555: Aug 30 2007, 05:33 PM

o lol'ed

my house is Joven and Panasonic

had been doing survey on all the brands' name for the water heater... prices almost in the same range with those which the pump is built in.. the only thing the Panasonic come with lower noise at around 42db. That will cost ard RM550 to 600..but of course haven't bargain la'..

Another one is the Alpha.. the pump can be switch off whenever the water pressure is high.. and on when the water pressure is low..in another word, the pump is built in but optional whether you want to use the pump or not.

think i will go for panasonic...

This post has been edited by synex: Sep 1 2007, 11:53 AM

i'm using alpha and euro-uno.....both are quite good i would recommend alpha, get the one with pump if u have problems with low water pressure

panda brand.

haha... panda brand? think those brand only for panties haha

All are the same except for design. Water pump is standard power.... there's no highest or lowest.

Go for the one with nicest look ..... can see from all electrical shops eg. Best Denki, HSL, ESH, Jusco center, etc..

Im planning to buy one too.. currently using Joven brand for 1 year (cost around rm 300-400)... the heat is not good frankly, for the first few month, the heat getting less heat for each uses until now, i didn't really felt any heat unless i turn low the water pressure and it will get heated that way (no point right, having shower with low water pressure)..

Anyone can guide me plz.. No more brand that getting COLDER and COLDER after each uses.. I really want some HOT exciting shower..

Last week I ordered Euro Uno SLP3 (with silent pump)..after checked w few frens, 2day decided change it to Panasonic DH-3EP1M

Duno y no confidence on Euro Uno brand.

Today I ask the installer, diff btw Alpha, EuroUno, Panasonic.

Alpha good on handling water, specially the pump is strongest.

Pan, expensive.

Euro Uno..- don't get Euro Uno, tats wat he told me.


I used Alpha w pump before..now try on Pan JetPump, I would say Pan handle the water heated is better than Alpha but pump not strong as Alpha

bumP anyone know how much does alpha shower cost? plus instalation?

i dont have..
hehehee

Hi all,i plan to buy Alpha too.May I know which shop at ipoh area has selling this brand of water heater?

PANASONIC!

Alpha and Uero Uno are budget ones. Got money buy Panasonic lo..

There are few brand i'm looking at it now..are all their components made in China?

JOVEN - www.joven-electric.com
ALPHA - www.alphamalaysia.com
BEEBEST - www.beebest.com.my
EUROUNO - www.eurouno.com.my

Can try in the town area, normally most electrical shops carry their products!!

no offence, rice cooker, as well as fans, are very matured products!!! It's less complicated, therefore less problems.
As for Pan, i got 1 at home, the shower head is so frustrating...6-way jet, jam all the way...u notice that??
when the water pressure is low, the temperature will scald U for sure...thats my experience...

go for the reputative brand~~ either joven or alpha!! I would go for Alpha, designer is better!! somemore have move innocative features.
buddy, nowadays even ur hp,clothes,computer... also made in china....

national. not sure now still got or not.

I am planning to recomend Alpha to my dad. The one with the build in pump. Has anyone used it before? any comment?

My gf has the one by Panasonic with build in Pump(Rm480). i find that the heating element not good. even at maximum, doesn't feel much..

Use BEEBEST ... the most quiet unit ever.

BeBest...something like that

national ^^ all 4 units.... so far so good...

hm...almost every model with built in pump. Which model u refer to?? visit their website www.alphamalaysia.com
budget wise, go for 5000EP, that's the 1st shower heater with built-in pump in malaysia (suppose not much people know that). Those who mention "heater with flag"...thats IT 10yrs+ product, any defect also solved already. Star Product

As u prefer clean cut design go for Vizz-98EP. just about RM30-40 more.
Sleekest,slimmest,nicest design is S Series. S200EP (with built in AC pump), S300EP (with built-in Silent, which DC pump). Have more features, pump activator and line-fault-indicator. S300EP Silentjet is the highest range which come with Silent, DC brushless pump with 10 yrs warranty.

*E-ELSD, Earth Leakage Sensor Device
*EP-ELSD + Pump

Cheers**

Am using Joven.. the maximum heat really burns

so far no problems.. a few years old already

the kettle, sometimes the pot - brand = any

u guys know any cheap water heater?? around Rm 100??

thanks

Anyone using S200EP, is it good in terms of heat and water handling ?

I ordered one Euro Uno last week (cause of design+sweet talk from salesperson), a bit regret.. hopefully can change it to panasonic since there's so much negative comment bout the quality..

what shop u buy from

ELKEN water purifier

I use Alpha for 3-4 years liao ... still working very good. Most other water heater cannot tahan so long one.

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Added on September 29, 2008, 9:56 amI tot we are talking about water heater here.

This post has been edited by ReWeR: Sep 29 2008, 09:56 AM

my previous euro uno lasted about 5 years, not bad

Joven user here. Mix feeling on it. My 1st Joven was spoilt because it seemed that the weter pressure from my house was quite high and I left the pump open so the internal circuits got wet and screwed the system.

I then got another unit of Joven from their technican (Brand new without pump) and everything seems ok now. Hope it can last for at least 3 years. If it gets spoil again, I will get a Panasonic.

I bought from Legend at SS2. At least they still let me to change.. reason I give was my parents still prefer Panasonic. So now, using Panasonic and really satisfy with the quality, but the water is not that hot compared to the Cornell that i have in the other bathroom. But if you lower down the water volume then the water will be hot...

What series is that, I bought the Slim Pump series, yeah from SS2 Legend after sweet talk also. but it wasn't that silent at all, the sound of pump sounds so loud that I guess I could hear in the living room. And after I turn off the shower, after 2-3 seconds, it start to have water coming out from the shower valve followed with steam/smoke. Is that a normal one? I had called up the technician, but the helpdesk seems very cincai, not sure they will actually come to see it or not, I am pretty worried bout it, can I complained to Legend SS2 ah.. hehe.

so far i can recommend alpha also. i've 2 units at home. model is LH-5000EP(its written on it). good thing abt it is, i use air tangki also can operate it( very low water pressure).since its already 3 years, i've forgotten the price. but one advantage of it is u can adjust the pump strength with a knob at the bottom of the heater if u find its too noisy or just switch the pump off. my gf's house panasonic heater dun hv dis feature.

Another victim here. Euro Uno Silent Pump series. Coaxed by the sweet talks and 7 yrs warranty. However, the pump is not silent at all. I also face the problem where when i turned off the water, water and pump still operating for another 2 to 3 seconds before it completely stop. Is this normal?

Solar water heater anyone? initial investment might be high but long run recover from electricity saving & also long lasting..it's already more than 10yrs since I moved in & no problem at all..Even on raining days (no sun) water still hot...xtremely hot!...

Mine came wth the house so dunno how much to install actually..

> 9000 i believe...

So xpensive meh..I tot in the region of 3-4K??

buy alpha lor... and i proud to say i install it myself... lolx

I plan to get one alpha with pump for my parents. how is the heating element? is it good because i have a pana and a old joven. For joven its really hot, can never reach max(maybe 2 bar before max). pana really lousy.

is alpha pump noisy?

Bro, advice please. thanks

Hi. Alpha has a silent pump model. It is S300EP I supposed, my college mate has this in her house. You can log on to www.alphamalaysia.com for more details.

Besides that I just bought Alpha's new model yesterday. The Impress Series. Check out the photo. Not bad... in terms of design and function.

I am looking for Alpha Silent pump as well. may i know how much is it?

what's the diff between impress series and others ?

hello guys, Im looking for water heater with pump as well... at the moment quite leaning to Alpha, especially with the silent pump feature, my question is, is it silent at all? I already using 1 alpha with pump but non silent in my old house, but it is super super noisy!!

Hi guys,

Where can i find alpha water heater around setapak or wangsa maju area? Or the nearest place?

you may go Jusco, Platinum walk. There are may shops selling this brand, the price should be RM 500 , installation RM 70 from ESH. There is a new ESH at Sri Rampai. Please let me know if u got better offer.

my previous water heater with built-in pump was Alpha, i satisfied with it. It last for 6 yrs

The new unit is BeeBest, as recommended by the shopkeeper, the most silent pump in the market, but the price almost the highest
unit = RM560
installation = rm70
shop = Tan Boon Meng

However, i really disappointed with their installation workmanship
Their task is install and go, they dont care how the layout...piping bend here and there...

Any suggestion if i want to get one now?

nice installation.. it seems you towel hanger, FOC, courtesy by the installer

hi guys....
ever heard a case where 2 couple got electrocuted by a failed ELCB ..
water heater brand was Alpha... the salesperson showed me the paper cut out and i think the Alpha model is the old model or cheap one la...
I was really tempted to buy the Alpha S100 series in the first place due to slim design and reputation, but somehow change my mind...bought Ariston instead...
any comments??

can always check on the ELCB with self-test button

TNB report says the ELCB fail to work, and you may not know if it really works until the last minute (knock on wood) ..
im sure it can happen to other brand as well, only GOD knows, but since it happen to ALpha heater not so long ago, it made me think twice on the brand quality....

I used Panasonic brand water heater since 2005 and so far it's still functioning perfect without any problem.

Don't buy Beebest, even it comes with warranty! Mine was spoilt after 2 years using it, and there is no technical support that I can contact for repair.

If any of you have the contact number for Beebest technical support, please give me.

Thanks!

There is contact number on the warranty card, BEEBEST customer service 03-7842 8133

mine also. never got problem with it.

I just bought Alpha model Vizz-98EP at RM535 include installation. Is it worth it ?

lol... my joven had been with me for 18 years... still working perfectly... i'm also planning on buying a new one for my new house... maybe a panasonic for the nice design.

Considering buying water heater with pump. Anyone has experience
on the following model?
Panasonic model-DH-3HE1M
Joven model 930i



This post has been edited by jamesly: Mar 14 2011, 05:33 PM

Anyone has good installer for water heater. what is the normal price?

already buy or not??

I plan to get a new shower heater to replace a national brand that i've been using for 6-7 years. Water still very hot but the pump very noisy already and flow getting weaker. So now i want one with very strong pump. staying at top floor of apartment (11th) and also water quality problem, very dirty water (water tank) from Syabas. so are there any water heater that has STRONG pump and also filter (which can wash) to counter the dirty water problem?

Anyone know where to get cheap beebest water heater?

Actually I am in the market to buy water heater. But the main difference now for me is whether to get one with pump or without pump, due to the massive price difference.
The existing water flow from shower head (no water heater installed) is quite strong, so I am wondering whether I really need one with pump. Does the water heater unit actually slow down the water level which would need me to get water heater with a pump?

I think the question is not whether "is the water strong enough at low pressure" but rather "can the water heater work well in low pressure (scale down the heat at low levels correctly)", cos i had a ciplak MIRA brand one that cooked me everytime i take bath at normal hr.. have to bathe at midnight.

Now using panasonic. Works great even at low pressure. Am paying condo rate of 1.38/L so if i use for long periods (washing hair) i purposely reduce the water volume to half to save $, and it won't burn me.

I would say as long as you don't have severe issues with low pressure you don't need a pump.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Sep 4 2011, 01:37 AM

I have several pana, really regret buying it. It is not hot at all. Water pressure is also no good.

Is alpha good in pressure and heat ?

got conned by legend to buy euro uno. Never buy from that shop again.

hi, where can get alpha water heater, other than shah alam, there is any other dealers in kl area,

Hi sincere1,

am planning to get one with silent pump. a shop is pushing a BeeBest to me, claiming 5 years warranty. Can you commend on your unit after 2.5 years in use? Is it true abt the 5-year warranty claim?

Many thanks...

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Added on December 29, 2011, 5:36 pmHi ceo684,

i'm shopping for one unit, to be on the upper floor of a linked house. would u say a unit without pump is ok?

what is your model, and the price?

thanks....

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Added on December 29, 2011, 5:46 pmHi guys,

DH-3KP2MS
DH-3KD1MN

I'm quite attracted to these Panasonic models as they have

silent pump
42% energy saving
5-year warranty
soft touch on-off

I would like to hear from any owner of these models or similar Pana models to comment on their experience in using them, and do they live up to what they say on their boxes...

Many thanks.


This post has been edited by chopin: Dec 29 2011, 05:46 PM

Three of my bathroom using Singer brand and it also got water pressure pump. So far so good and price also very reasonable.

I have installed Panasonic DH-3KP1M, costing $519, plus $70 installation (already has power point ready.) I think it is a good deal.

The unit is with pump, but it is really quiet even at night, more quiet than my older Alpha S200EP (but the newer Alpha's could be as quiet.) The pump is with a 5-year warranty, but to be fair, my older Alpha unit has been used for 7 years and is still in action. I think it is a tough fight here.

The best things I like is the 1-touch on-off BIG button-it will turn off water and power at the same time-really convenient; plus can choose to alternate hot and cold water with just one soft-touch button. Overall I am very happy with the unit.

Product specs can be viewed here:

http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...rsystem/DH3KP1M

One thing needs caution: When the workers were installing the unit, they accidentally spoiled the ELCB button. Though it will not affect the operation of the unit, I still called up the Panasonic service center, and they sent a guy right on the next day. After inspection, found that the part will cost $6 but have to wait for it. I'm ok with it, so I will wait. Lessons learnt:

1. Ask the workers to be careful with the ELCB button during installtion.
2. Panasonic after-sale service is great.

After reading all the comments at this section, I finally bought Alpha Smart 18EP for my room. I'm really satisfied with the performance so far. The pump is not silent but the noise is acceptable. It comes with 6 colors and slim design.

I bought it at ESH Sri Rampai (based on a suggestion of 1 forumner here.. )

digress a little but my colleague asked me not to buy euro uno fans too. looks like this brand isnt good

I bought Elton water heater

using centon now, quite ok

Euro Uno & Joven~

Joven. That is water booster.

I went to jaya jusco recently.

the salesmen recommend panasonic because it is most durable (not much complaints)

I saw the display set alpha water heaters has all the knobs missing as people turn and twist the knobs.

panasonic knobs still have no problems.

but one problem with pana is the water is not hot enough if you put on full water volume,.

Hello Everyone,

Anyone here attached their water heater to rain shower?

Thanks!

It would not be wise to replace the water shower head with a rainshower type simply because the water pressure will drop and what you may get from the rainshower are just trickles of water. Even if you swap the original shower heads with after market types sometimes cause the same issue. Instant water heater's shower head is designed with the system's water pressure ability. In most cases the shower head's outlet are usually very narrow in order to create a higher pressure.

Hello everyone,

Is anyone using Rubine instant water heater? Is it good?

This post has been edited by mcloh: Nov 21 2012, 12:55 AM

Just a heads up about my colleague using Alpha previously. One day he suddenly found his water heater kept switching off and on the heated water while bathing, and few days later when he called the electrician to check it, the guy found that the wires INSIDE the unit got frayed and was causing the problem due to the burnt contact.

The electrician mentioned that from the condition of the frayed wire, my colleague was lucky he wasn't electrocuted since he was still using it a few days after this problem occured.