i think if there is a jointing area there its pretty common. you can see it in most cars, just a matter of where the jointing situated. please bear in mind that plasma jointing for an inch can pretty much hold 1 tonne of tension load. so, it doesn't disturb me as machine welding does much better job than human welding in those kedai potong.

for me viva is a no no. a minisized avanza which looks that trys hard to impress but fails. My expectation on sales? should be high. as there are more ppl who thinks, oh.. viva, got dvvt, got abs, got air bag so damn safe damn power. its all abt marketing scheme. few years later, you'll see them dropping down the price to pickup sales. after going down with the price, they will try to include leather seats and sporty look just to maintain sales. as for the dimension of the car, there is much to be comment on safety
if you look into one of fifth gear's episode which they performed a collision test. you can how easy it east to crush a car like a piece of paper upon rear collision. power wise, i'll let the owners to decide. Personally, for me? i'll not go for viva as it has yet to pleased me.

The joining part you people mention most cars got ler. Even my 2005 Civic got those joints near the door area. It's common la...BMW or Merc or whatever you cannot see the joints because there cars are 'engineered' better since we are paying more for it. The Viva is ok to me....a great upgrade from Perodua. It looks more grown up than Kelisa/Kenari/Kancil. Viva is ugly meh? It looks pretty good to me. I think it looks even better than Savvy IMO. My personal opinion why people bash the Viva is because they want it but they can't get it hence they bash it like no tomorrow so they won't get jealous seeing people driving it. Opss...did I say something? Sorry...I'm abit drunk

Don't get all huffy if you can't figure out how the Malaysian car market is segmented.

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Added on May 19, 2007, 11:27 pm
Errr... how much volume does the Jazz or even Civic have compared to the cars I listed?

Have a look at AAM's numbers and you'll find that the overwhelming majority of cars sold are cheap cars. That's the bulk of the market. The price differentials are simply too large to warrant any other market structure.


This post has been edited by seantang: May 19 2007, 11:27 PM

Hahaha....got one here pro Perodua. I thot all ppl in LYN anti local car. heheh..kiddin only. Yep...the engineer in Perdoua sure know all this prob..thats why they increase the engine power and put dvvt...Nway, Wira 1.5 really sucks maa...auto sumore..haih..lari lagi laju~

Got la number of those who dislikes national cars. It's been a big thing for sometime. The 1.0 is using a EJ-VE engine similar to the Myvi 1.0 .

oi.......tolak pahala tau tak?

Drink soya bean only

but how come my kenari dont have the joining??then my car are 'engineered' better but me are paying less for it oh.

from the spec viva better than kelisa. the engine also use DVVT tech. it is like proton still using carburator for SAGA/Iswara but injection for campro engine. save on fuel but loss in pick up power.

but dont u think that Viva is expensive???

Kelisa 1.0 Manual RM34,909.40
Viva 1.0 Manual RM36,800.00

Kelisa 1.0 Auto RM38,285.70
Viva 1.0 Auto RM39,800.00
Kenari 1.0 Auto RM40,962.50

Why didn't you complaint Kelisa was expensive before this?

oh ya, you own a Kenari?It's more expensive than the new Vivia wor

This post has been edited by bearbear: May 20 2007, 02:25 AM

for me i still in love with kelisa mini copper looklike.. ..maybe doesnt see super mod viva YEt..

This post has been edited by MR.Syxo: May 20 2007, 02:24 AM

Nice point there.
Kelisa was nvr marketed as a cheap car compared to kancil.
With the feature & the build of kelisa, i doubt it worth the price!
btw i am dring a kelisa that was bought from another seller last year.
Got it around 20k+ which the first owner lost quite alot.
So, just let the first owner suffers the depreciation if u felt that the car is overpriced & yet u wanna own a piece of it!

Boy you sure are dumb...sorry for saying this. You think all cars are manufactured the same way ka? Noob spotted...I hope kev da man can pwn this fella here If you really hate the Viva (and you sound like one), just leave it...let the sales do the talking

Gosh ... we have a lot of discussions going on; debating Viva with other cars and models, Viva vs Myvi, Viva vs Saga, Viva vs Kelisa, Viva vs Viva itself.

omg
our beloved ah beng
stop your fanboy and stop being a guardian of proton

nevermind
u can stop entertaining the orphan who only know how to moan
lawl

hey there i just point out something here only up to you lah to make decision!!!

you stole my job

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