FYI this discussion is about an MLM not HYIP. Don't come in to post just to increase post counts.
If you cant see the address above please have your eyes checked, I'll repaste it again.
63-1 Jalan 3/93, Taman Miharja, Cheras (second floor at the corner).

For ur information, its kinda active in north malaysia. My ex-boss invested i think 50k-100k to this em-pay. They even wanted to start conducting the class by renting some shot lot. They have attended the "lecture" in those mitivation camp, and the brain washing works alot.

I join this because, i think if i am really playing with pyramid scheme, usually ppl from the top(involved earlier) will earn right? Usually la, its 50/50 for me. 168x3 = 500 sth, its alot for a student like me but i guess i can give it a try since i can get my capital back in 6 months time.

another info for u all, the founder used to sell "Chee cheong fun" in KL. i dont know, my friend told me, i just listen.

Frankly speaking, IMO the loyalty programme is just a surface for the whole programme. Pyramid games is the main role in this company(again, my opinion only).

My friend's group will be launching the forum for IPC discussion in very near future, the domain already registered, forum is launced for demo . How do i know? cos i do it for them

I have no idea why, the em-pay.com is registred under diff company/user.

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This post has been edited by travolta_lim: Mar 20 2007, 11:09 PM

Which still does not answer the question of if em-pay.com is actually affliated with IPC or not. Sure, the address given is em-pay as run by IPC, but you've conveniently forgot the other half of the question in regards to the authencity of em-pay.com. Does IPC's own website even link to em-pay.com in the first place?

Still trying to worm you way out huh?

Edit: and odd huh? That instead of defending your own statements, you're more interested in making statements like increasing post counts, blah blah. Really does show that you're starting to have problems defending your arguments.

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Added on March 20, 2007, 11:17 pm

Actually, that's the question that I'm asking. is em-pay.com under IPC? Or is it just something claiming to be affliated with IPC? If its under IPC, then exactly why the difference? And why take such pains to avoid their actually identity being found out, especailly when IPC's identity is open?

This post has been edited by fyire: Mar 20 2007, 11:31 PM

I guess u are rite about this, the IPC shopping card is just an loyalty card/debit card programme that everyone knows how it works around ....definitely empay is not selling it as a product like said by one forummer before , come on if they wanna sell out this card then why are they asking us to buy the the so called RM168 per unit/lot ...something is fishy for sure...

all this discussion about how empay and IPC is related to each other now makes me think of wat those people said when they wanna sign me up last time ...they said its connected to each other but now I see roughly there is no proof actually...

usually,ppl who who is involved in these companys will be paid.
anthen they will help the company to spread the news to the others.
more ppl will join in and pay.
suddenly the company juz dissapear.
End of the story~!!!

haiz~~
i agree of tht, but my sister still want to join...

now only hope the company dnt dissapear
she invest almost 1k , now only return half ...

I already stated earlier. Just contact IPC to verify the em-pay.com affiliation. I gave you a solution earlier you ignored it, thats your problem, not mine and yet you say I am avoiding that?

Nup, you are the one ignoring it, seeing that you're the one who is defending it, then you should be the one who should be providing the materials if you want to insist on it being real and all.

Too difficult to do huh, or purposely refusing to do so for a reason hmm?

This post has been edited by fyire: Mar 21 2007, 04:19 PM

Whatever. I have provided the answers but you are too lazy to look up. No one speaks up here so? Try posting this in an MLM discussion forum, see who will get all the flames?

FYI, rules of this forum sez:



Thus it being your responsibility to prove that it is not a scam. Seeing that you're completely unable to, and try to cover it up, then the obvious conclusion is that it is a scam

So there

duh...

i give you an analogy:

post a sexy 20-yr old chick in any forum, and you'll get praises

post the same picture in 4chan forum, and you'll get hacked for life



sad to see one guy trying to defend what is left of his investment and try to believe in something that is not

hmmm.. just let the ppl decide themselves.. evry1 got different point of view about empay..

well, that's the purpose of this thread right? For those who thinks that its a scam and those who claims that its genuine to show their facts, so ppl can make a better decision.

So far, there's still nothing showing that em-pay.com is indeed genuine.

Huh? WHat are you trying to prove with this rule? FYI, I did not start this thread and as you see the one who started it did not get banned or suspended.

Whatever you want to say, just one thread on this forum won't destroy the program. I am just merely explaining but it seems some people are just too anxious to be famous for naming the next big scam if it ever happens. I know you are waiting to say "I told you so!"

Nup, FYI, I did not start this thread, and furthermore, I am pointing out the questionable items that such scams usually have in common, and what are the things that ppl should look out for in trying to determine if an investment scheme is valid, or is just a scam like the one in this thread is. But you are the one trying to defend such scams after all

Thing is, those brain washed will be forever brain washed, the purpose of such threads on forums is not to convince the already condemned, but it is to get those who are not decided as yet to think more on it, to ask the right questions to find out the actual truth, rather than just believing everything those condemned brain washed retards tell them about the greatness of such scams

All in all, its still so very obvious that you're now getting so very defensive, seeing that you're completely unable to answer any of the questions posed at all, and now just getting all emotional about it.

This is something very common to all ppl who believe in something just 'cause they're brain washed, and not because they believe because they've fully understand. Why is this so? Because when posed with questions that they cannot answer, they get rather emotional and defensive as they r too chicken to want to face themselves, in thinking that they've been believing in a scam all this time.

This post has been edited by fyire: Mar 21 2007, 11:04 PM

excuse me... im just asking opinion wheather it is a scam o not.. so it is nonrelated wif MLM... u r de 1 giving too many personal opinion and claiming wat u say is true...my fren asking me to join.. so i hope to get some info through here... if u r not agree wif wat we discuss here.. u r welcome to leave...

hey til now also no evidence to prove that it is not a scam.
we want evidence leh.

I wanna know if this is genuine.
I have been asking this question.
Who got cheated by em-pay? Please raise your hand and share your experience here.

the program still got refund the money , so i think no ppl has been cheated yet

Well, that's the exact question that I've been asking too, and nobody's been able to answer yet either, especially on the parts that its got in common with the usual scams.

Even the refunds and money making bits, its the same as the HYIP scams, as there will be payment and refunds going on when the scammers had not collected enough money to make their targets as yet. Its only when their targets has been achieved, then the scammers will pack and run.